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| Topic Started: Jan 27 2015, 08:27 AM (835 Views) | |
| RJD | Jan 27 2015, 08:27 AM Post #1 |
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Prudence and Thrift
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Sometimes the "sounds right in my ears so must be true Brigade" accept claims without first checking that they have some substance. Take the claim that the inequality between rich and poor has restricted growth, they offer no substance to support this but trail it around as a fact and then demand that taxes must be increased on those that have wealth to narrow the gap. The argument for narrowing can be made on other grounds, but there is no proof that there are economic gains to be had. Read this:
LINK- Lagarde is wrong I believe there is a moral case here in the UK to shift ~£20b PA from the top to the bottom in a sustainable manner, but thus far nobody has shown how this can be achieved without a negative effect on the economy. Therefore the intellectually honest response is "hang the economy", but instead the left prefer the outpourings of the Red Nag Myth Factory as that chimes well in their ears. |
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| papasmurf | Jan 30 2015, 09:53 PM Post #81 |
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The benefit cap Full Fact analysis, just the conclusion:- https://fullfact.org/spotlight/economy/benefit_cap-38662 The assessment So is the cap working? The cap has had a small effect on the number of claimants. In terms of savings, the policy reduced the benefits bill for the 27,000 families that were capped in late 2013 by about £100 million. The IFS say that the current benefit cap will save less than £200 million in 2015/16. To put this figure into context, total spending on housing benefits alone in 2015–16 is forecast to be £26 billion. But part of the policy is that no one should get more in benefits than the median working family receives in net earnings. From this point of view, a number of people have certainly had their income from benefits reduced. However, the majority of those capped haven’t found work, and haven’t moved to cheaper accommodation. The IFS, http://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/7482 says that: “For this majority, it remains an open question as to how they adjusted to what were, in many cases, very large reductions in their income”. |
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| Rich | Jan 31 2015, 01:14 AM Post #82 |
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"“For this majority, it remains an open question as to how they adjusted to what were, in many cases, very large reductions in their income”. Do you have an answer to the above "open question" Papa? please only give facts and not guesswork and small examples of your own neighbourhood. |
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| papasmurf | Jan 31 2015, 09:08 AM Post #83 |
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That is just what it states on the tin, but the massive increase in food bank use is a bit of a clue. |
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| Steve K | Jan 31 2015, 01:35 PM Post #84 |
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The massive increase in publicity about food banks and their accessibility is a bit of a clue too
Very good read, thanks. Some content to question the policy but nothing to back your allegation of IDS and Cameron being liars. Edited by Steve K, Jan 31 2015, 01:36 PM.
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| papasmurf | Jan 31 2015, 01:40 PM Post #85 |
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There has been no "Stampede to the Jobcentre" so they are both liars. |
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| RJD | Jan 31 2015, 02:06 PM Post #86 |
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You made the reference and it was, again, uninformative. Your addiction is fed by any little scrap that you perceive provides your claims with sustenance, however, they do not pass for scientific analysis. As for "eating properly" whatever can this mean? Some Nutritionists would have us eating a significantly less on what you would describe as starvation rations. The UK does not have an epidemic of people who are under-nourished, quite the opposite. As for roofs over heads you are aware of the obligations of Local Gov. in this matter. |
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| Steve K | Jan 31 2015, 02:11 PM Post #87 |
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Yet again you prove that you and the English language are foreigners to each other so by your own theories you should be deported. Shut the door on your way out |
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| papasmurf | Jan 31 2015, 02:33 PM Post #88 |
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You and several others on this forum obviously prefer to be lied to by Cameron, Osborne, and Iain Duncan Smith, than to face the truth of what they are doing. |
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| RJD | Jan 31 2015, 02:44 PM Post #89 |
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No we just don't by into the BS spouted by you. |
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| Steve K | Jan 31 2015, 02:49 PM Post #90 |
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Seconded You'd think if someone was fed up with it being pointed out hat they post hyperbole, untruths, death threats to politicians, false stories, misuse of simple English words and references that don't support their position then they'd take the easy route and desist from doing same. |
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| RJD | Jan 31 2015, 03:09 PM Post #91 |
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Sometimes it is necessary to wonder whether these people are sane. I now view Mr Smurf like a man in Hyde Park with a board proclaiming "The End is Nigh", he was there for years, maybe decades, and the message never changed. It is also getting very tiresome that he seeks to infect every thread on this forum with his addiction. Probably the reason why the forum is slipping into the Doldrums and a number of interesting Posters has dwindled. This forum has a canker. |
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| ACH1967 | Feb 2 2015, 02:01 PM Post #92 |
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I suggest you answer the (expletive deleted) question rather than continue to evade. |
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