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Jan 30 2015, 08:21 AM
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Labour would not reverse billions of pounds of spending cuts to the police, hospitals, armed forces and local councils, Ed Balls has confirmed. The savings include cutting £3.3billion from councils’ budgets, making £700million worth of cuts to the pay of members of the armed forces and shaving £400million off the NHS pay bill.
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It has to be asked, what are Labour for if it is going to match the Tory budget programme? They now promise to stick to current Coalition plans so what are the offering? Maybe they think they can offer an experienced Management Team that can stimulate the economy and hold a tighter grip on State spending? Makes one want to laugh. Let's get real, without a programme of increases in State expenditure coupled with a programme of social engineering to make us fit their mould there is absolutely no point in Labour.
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Jan 30 2015, 08:42 AM
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Strange you were saying a few posts ago that Labour would reverse all the cuts and start spending like mad. Now you change your opinion because your bible the Torygraph dictates otherwise.
Now what is more relevant what is the point of the Tories at all, now it is clear that everything they have promised amounts to nothing. Expect that is pure incompetence.
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Jan 30 2015, 08:46 AM
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there is absolutely no point in Labour.
The Tories just are not fit for office RJD because they just do not care for anyone but themselves. New Labour for many millions of people are just the less worse option than the Tories.
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Jan 30 2015, 08:52 AM
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According to the dodgiest dossier reported in the dodgiest of Tory newspapers.
RJ, you are now crowned as the dodgiest anti-Labour pundit on the forum.
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Jan 30 2015, 10:41 AM
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So what's new ?
The Labour Party have always stated and said that there will be cuts, does The Telegraph believe this is somehow a new story. ?
Shaving money off defence is something that the Conservatives have done, and plan to do again, but note the precise wording where it comes to the NHS "shaving £400 million off the NHS pay bill", and in actual fact the NHS will see increased investment, and increased spending, not by borrowing, not by increasing the deficit or by stealing money from other budgets, but by costed measures on taxation, primarily the "Mansion Tax".
The fact that the deficit has to be at least brought under control is not in dispute, both major political parties have the same goal, the difference is how it is done, and how fair and morally acceptable the measures are in relation to the richest and poorest in society - and we all know which party takes more from the least well off, and gives tax breaks to the wealthy.
Thats the difference
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Jan 30 2015, 10:59 AM
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Strange you were saying a few posts ago that Labour would reverse all the cuts and start spending like mad. Now you change your opinion because your bible the Torygraph dictates otherwise.
Now what is more relevant what is the point of the Tories at all, now it is clear that everything they have promised amounts to nothing. Expect that is pure incompetence. Of course you can substantiate your claim? I think not.
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Jan 30 2015, 11:00 AM
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According to the dodgiest dossier reported in the dodgiest of Tory newspapers.
RJ, you are now crowned as the dodgiest anti-Labour pundit on the forum. Are you claiming that the statement alluded to one Ed Balls is a falsehood?
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Jan 30 2015, 11:08 AM
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So what's new ?
The Labour Party have always stated and said that there will be cuts, does The Telegraph believe this is somehow a new story. ?
Shaving money off defence is something that the Conservatives have done, and plan to do again, but note the precise wording where it comes to the NHS "shaving £400 million off the NHS pay bill", and in actual fact the NHS will see increased investment, and increased spending, not by borrowing, not by increasing the deficit or by stealing money from other budgets, but by costed measures on taxation, primarily the "Mansion Tax".
The fact that the deficit has to be at least brought under control is not in dispute, both major political parties have the same goal, the difference is how it is done, and how fair and morally acceptable the measures are in relation to the richest and poorest in society - and we all know which party takes more from the least well off, and gives tax breaks to the wealthy.
Thats the difference
Then you object to increasing the basic tax threshold, something undertaken by the current Gov.? So you are happy to see punitive rates of higher taxation even if revenues drop as long as you inconvenience those which are your target? Be honest K, for once, this Gov., for what ever reason, has done a lot more than the previous lot to protect those that are low pay earners. Your claim lacks credibility and is disingenuous, just like your rantings that a 1.5% increase in NHS subcontracting is proof that this Gov. is privatising the service. It is what works that matters and there is no indication that marginal increases in the higher rate or even the Mansion Tax will bring in anything other than a derisory amount of additional revenue, but is sure fires up the Envy and Spite Brigade. If you really do believe in greater distribution then instead of the silly sound bites designed to please the moronic tribalists tell us how to shift £20b PA from the top to the bottom in a sustainable manner? I certainly do not see the left addressing that issue.
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Jan 30 2015, 11:19 AM
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According to the dodgiest dossier reported in the dodgiest of Tory newspapers.
RJ, you are now crowned as the dodgiest anti-Labour pundit on the forum.
Are you claiming that the statement alluded to one Ed Balls is a falsehood? I'm saying the article is a biased joke and therefor isolated statements need to be seen in their full context.
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Jan 30 2015, 11:25 AM
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Labour would not reverse billions of pounds of spending cuts to the police, hospitals, armed forces and local councils, Ed Balls has confirmed. The savings include cutting £3.3billion from councils’ budgets, making £700million worth of cuts to the pay of members of the armed forces and shaving £400million off the NHS pay bill. LINKIt has to be asked, what are Labour for if it is going to match the Tory budget programme? They now promise to stick to current Coalition plans so what are the offering? Maybe they think they can offer an experienced Management Team that can stimulate the economy and hold a tighter grip on State spending? Makes one want to laugh. Let's get real, without a programme of increases in State expenditure coupled with a programme of social engineering to make us fit their mould there is absolutely no point in Labour. A better question would be what are you for!
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Jan 30 2015, 11:29 AM
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Labour would not reverse billions of pounds of spending cuts to the police, hospitals, armed forces and local councils, Ed Balls has confirmed. The savings include cutting £3.3billion from councils’ budgets, making £700million worth of cuts to the pay of members of the armed forces and shaving £400million off the NHS pay bill. LINKIt has to be asked, what are Labour for if it is going to match the Tory budget programme? They now promise to stick to current Coalition plans so what are the offering? Maybe they think they can offer an experienced Management Team that can stimulate the economy and hold a tighter grip on State spending? Makes one want to laugh. Let's get real, without a programme of increases in State expenditure coupled with a programme of social engineering to make us fit their mould there is absolutely no point in Labour.
A better question would be what are you for! You are free to open such a thread, but I doubt that there will be much interest. Seems you still find it difficult to engage with adult debate.
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Jan 30 2015, 11:30 AM
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Strange you were saying a few posts ago that Labour would reverse all the cuts and start spending like mad. Now you change your opinion because your bible the Torygraph dictates otherwise.
Now what is more relevant what is the point of the Tories at all, now it is clear that everything they have promised amounts to nothing. Expect that is pure incompetence. Tory policy from 1979-2015 in a nutshell.
Sell off the states assets to your mates, destroy social provision, kick the profits upstairs and base the economy on inflated asset prices and boom and bust economics because those at the top can ride the wave.
Any questions addressed to me on the back of a napkin from The Margaret Thatcher Memorial Hall.
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Jan 30 2015, 11:33 AM
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Labour would not reverse billions of pounds of spending cuts to the police, hospitals, armed forces and local councils, Ed Balls has confirmed. The savings include cutting £3.3billion from councils’ budgets, making £700million worth of cuts to the pay of members of the armed forces and shaving £400million off the NHS pay bill. LINKIt has to be asked, what are Labour for if it is going to match the Tory budget programme? They now promise to stick to current Coalition plans so what are the offering? Maybe they think they can offer an experienced Management Team that can stimulate the economy and hold a tighter grip on State spending? Makes one want to laugh. Let's get real, without a programme of increases in State expenditure coupled with a programme of social engineering to make us fit their mould there is absolutely no point in Labour.
A better question would be what are you for!
You are free to open such a thread, but I doubt that there will be much interest. Seems you still find it difficult to engage with adult debate. So you are not a spambot from Conservative central office!
I suspect you are getting very jittery with the lead Labour have in most polls especially as the NHS is seen as being under threat and what with Gove's "reforms" not only effing up state schools but also private ones!
File under desperation.
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Jan 30 2015, 11:41 AM
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deep LINKIt has to be asked, what are Labour for if it is going to match the Tory budget programme? They now promise to stick to current Coalition plans so what are the offering? Maybe they think they can offer an experienced Management Team that can stimulate the economy and hold a tighter grip on State spending? Makes one want to laugh. Let's get real, without a programme of increases in State expenditure coupled with a programme of social engineering to make us fit their mould there is absolutely no point in Labour.
A better question would be what are you for!
You are free to open such a thread, but I doubt that there will be much interest. Seems you still find it difficult to engage with adult debate.
So you are not a spambot from Conservative central office! I suspect you are getting very jittery with the lead Labour have in most polls especially as the NHS is seen as being under threat and what with Gove's "reforms" not only effing up state schools but also private ones! File under desperation. Why should I be jittery? I am not a member of any political party and remain singularly unimpressed at the rate of change in our economy from one based on borrowing to fuel current consumption to greater exportable production. My life is near it's conclusion and my concern is for my grandchildren and whilst I think the Tories lack ambition I see Labour as a potential disaster. Who will form the next Gov.? No idea, looks like even Stevens too me, but although I am not a Gambling man I would, if pressed, put my £1.00 on Labour+SNP. You, as usual, assume far too much and are too addicted to the rubbish that emanates from the Red Nag Myth Factory. Do some research for yourself.
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Jan 30 2015, 11:47 AM
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So what's new ?
The Labour Party have always stated and said that there will be cuts, does The Telegraph believe this is somehow a new story. ?
Shaving money off defence is something that the Conservatives have done, and plan to do again, but note the precise wording where it comes to the NHS "shaving £400 million off the NHS pay bill", and in actual fact the NHS will see increased investment, and increased spending, not by borrowing, not by increasing the deficit or by stealing money from other budgets, but by costed measures on taxation, primarily the "Mansion Tax".
The fact that the deficit has to be at least brought under control is not in dispute, both major political parties have the same goal, the difference is how it is done, and how fair and morally acceptable the measures are in relation to the richest and poorest in society - and we all know which party takes more from the least well off, and gives tax breaks to the wealthy.
Thats the difference
Then you object to increasing the basic tax threshold, something undertaken by the current Gov.? So you are happy to see punitive rates of higher taxation even if revenues drop as long as you inconvenience those which are your target? Be honest K, for once, this Gov., for what ever reason, has done a lot more than the previous lot to protect those that are low pay earners. Your claim lacks credibility and is disingenuous, just like your rantings that a 1.5% increase in NHS subcontracting is proof that this Gov. is privatising the service. It is what works that matters and there is no indication that marginal increases in the higher rate or even the Mansion Tax will bring in anything other than a derisory amount of additional revenue, but is sure fires up the Envy and Spite Brigade. If you really do believe in greater distribution then instead of the silly sound bites designed to please the moronic tribalists tell us how to shift £20b PA from the top to the bottom in a sustainable manner? I certainly do not see the left addressing that issue. Well actually YES I do oppose the increasing of the basic tax threshold, not because it is not a good idea, but because at a time of cuts to public services, and at a time when the treasury needs every penny it can get, it simply dosent make sense to reduce the flow of revenue, its just populist and nothing else.
The 1997 genereal election had certain key issues, one of which was "tax cuts versus public services", the Conservatives are blighted by blind dogma, how on earth could we have had a situation, as we did then, where there are not enough doctors, but we give tax cuts, where hospitals were crumbling, but we can give Mr Average another quid in his pocket per week.
The government has given those on the lowest incomes ( or should I say the Liberal Democrats have ) a couple of quid in their pockets, and then taken up to £15 away from them in working benefits, there s no joinned up approach here.
Here s one for you
British workers are taking home less in real terms than when Tony Blair won his second general election victory in 2001
So much for people been better off
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jan/30/british-wage-slump-post-financial-crisis-uk
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Jan 30 2015, 01:21 PM
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Shaving money off defence is something that the Conservatives have done, and plan to do again, . . Still higher in real terms than it was under Labour at the height of the Afghan/Iraq deployments
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Jan 30 2015, 04:50 PM
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Strange you were saying a few posts ago that Labour would reverse all the cuts and start spending like mad. Now you change your opinion because your bible the Torygraph dictates otherwise.
Now what is more relevant what is the point of the Tories at all, now it is clear that everything they have promised amounts to nothing. Expect that is pure incompetence.
Of course you can substantiate your claim? I think not. All my claims are fully substantiated and appear in the public domain. Yours clearly are not and only appear as Incompetent Tory propaganda in discredited rags like the Daily Fail and the Torygraph.
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Jan 30 2015, 04:56 PM
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Shaving money off defence is something that the Conservatives have done, and plan to do again, . .
Still higher in real terms than it was under Labour at the height of the Afghan/Iraq deployments  The Afghan and latterly the Iraq deployments began in 2002. So where are your missing years? Also the graphs provide very little compelling data in terms of magnitude anyway. The clue is in the overall flatness of the columns of the graph.
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deep LINK
You are free to open such a thread, but I doubt that there will be much interest. Seems you still find it difficult to engage with adult debate.
So you are not a spambot from Conservative central office! I suspect you are getting very jittery with the lead Labour have in most polls especially as the NHS is seen as being under threat and what with Gove's "reforms" not only effing up state schools but also private ones! File under desperation.
Why should I be jittery? I am not a member of any political party and remain singularly unimpressed at the rate of change in our economy from one based on borrowing to fuel current consumption to greater exportable production. My life is near it's conclusion and my concern is for my grandchildren and whilst I think the Tories lack ambition I see Labour as a potential disaster. Who will form the next Gov.? No idea, looks like even Stevens too me, but although I am not a Gambling man I would, if pressed, put my £1.00 on Labour+SNP. You, as usual, assume far too much and are too addicted to the rubbish that emanates from the Red Nag Myth Factory. Do some research for yourself. Well let's hope you are correct. Rather have a Labour/SNP government anyday in preference to a extreme right wing Tory/Lib Dem one.
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Strange you were saying a few posts ago that Labour would reverse all the cuts and start spending like mad. Now you change your opinion because your bible the Torygraph dictates otherwise.
Now what is more relevant what is the point of the Tories at all, now it is clear that everything they have promised amounts to nothing. Expect that is pure incompetence.
Of course you can substantiate your claim? I think not.
All my claims are fully substantiated and appear in the public domain. Yours clearly are not and only appear as Incompetent Tory propaganda in discredited rags like the Daily Fail and the Torygraph. Nice ploy; "Lewis does not need to substantiate anything because someone else somewhere will already have done this for him". Pity it does not work.
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So you are not a spambot from Conservative central office! I suspect you are getting very jittery with the lead Labour have in most polls especially as the NHS is seen as being under threat and what with Gove's "reforms" not only effing up state schools but also private ones! File under desperation.
Why should I be jittery? I am not a member of any political party and remain singularly unimpressed at the rate of change in our economy from one based on borrowing to fuel current consumption to greater exportable production. My life is near it's conclusion and my concern is for my grandchildren and whilst I think the Tories lack ambition I see Labour as a potential disaster. Who will form the next Gov.? No idea, looks like even Stevens too me, but although I am not a Gambling man I would, if pressed, put my £1.00 on Labour+SNP. You, as usual, assume far too much and are too addicted to the rubbish that emanates from the Red Nag Myth Factory. Do some research for yourself.
Well let's hope you are correct. Rather have a Labour/SNP government anyday in preference to a extreme right wing Tory/Lib Dem one. In your twisted view, but that is not unexpected from those who live from the Public Purse.
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I am not a member of any political party and remain singularly unimpressed at the rate of change in our economy from one based on borrowing to fuel current consumption to greater exportable production. Could have fooled me!
Conservatism under Thatcher spawned neo liberalism, Labour copied it because millions of voters from my generation and yours saw that you could get something for nothing, unfortunately the family silver is almost gone and we need ever bigger financial stimuli to kick start the economy every time it stalls. The present government is in my opinion the most irresponsible I've seen in my lifetime and I want them out by any means possible because unbelievably they think that the answer to a debt fuelled boom followed by a crash is yet another debt fuelled boom!
Frankly it's kiddies stuff and it has to stop, and I and I suspect a few million others have had enough of it.
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Strange you were saying a few posts ago that Labour would reverse all the cuts and start spending like mad. Now you change your opinion because your bible the Torygraph dictates otherwise.
Now what is more relevant what is the point of the Tories at all, now it is clear that everything they have promised amounts to nothing. Expect that is pure incompetence.
Of course you can substantiate your claim? I think not.
All my claims are fully substantiated and appear in the public domain. Yours clearly are not and only appear as Incompetent Tory propaganda in discredited rags like the Daily Fail and the Torygraph.
Nice ploy; "Lewis does not need to substantiate anything because someone else somewhere will already have done this for him". Pity it does not work. Well you think otherwise! To you, debate comprises copying Tory propaganda out of the Mail or Torygraph.
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Why should I be jittery? I am not a member of any political party and remain singularly unimpressed at the rate of change in our economy from one based on borrowing to fuel current consumption to greater exportable production. My life is near it's conclusion and my concern is for my grandchildren and whilst I think the Tories lack ambition I see Labour as a potential disaster. Who will form the next Gov.? No idea, looks like even Stevens too me, but although I am not a Gambling man I would, if pressed, put my £1.00 on Labour+SNP. You, as usual, assume far too much and are too addicted to the rubbish that emanates from the Red Nag Myth Factory. Do some research for yourself.
Well let's hope you are correct. Rather have a Labour/SNP government anyday in preference to a extreme right wing Tory/Lib Dem one.
In your twisted view, but that is not unexpected from those who live from the Public Purse. Well your leadership sponge off the public purse with their grossly inflated salaries and grotesque expense claims. So do those who go under the guise of private enterprise yet are subsidised by the public purse like bankers, G4, Tory backing health firms, ATOS and so on.
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Rather have a Labour/SNP government anyday in preference to a extreme right wing Tory/Lib Dem one. So would I when the current shower in power are responsible for this, which is not an isolated case:-
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Cambridge-boy-7-battling-cancer-mother-furious/story-25936183-detail/story.html
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It has to be asked, what are Labour for
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How absolutely despicable. Tory scrounging MPs can have everything on our expense. Yet a family that is truly suffering can't have penny!
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Strange you were saying a few posts ago that Labour would reverse all the cuts and start spending like mad. Now you change your opinion because your bible the Torygraph dictates otherwise.
Now what is more relevant what is the point of the Tories at all, now it is clear that everything they have promised amounts to nothing. Expect that is pure incompetence. That is not true for they have made progress in reducing the debt, creating employment and improving the economy .I doubt that Labour in office would have achieved anything at all except to increase the welfare bill and the national debt.
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Strange you were saying a few posts ago that Labour would reverse all the cuts and start spending like mad. Now you change your opinion because your bible the Torygraph dictates otherwise.
Now what is more relevant what is the point of the Tories at all, now it is clear that everything they have promised amounts to nothing. Expect that is pure incompetence.
That is not true for they have made progress in reducing the debt, creating employment and improving the economy .I doubt that Labour in office would have achieved anything at all except to increase the welfare bill and the national debt. You left out core voters who will always dance to the tune of a pied piper with taxpayers money to waste.
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Strange you were saying a few posts ago that Labour would reverse all the cuts and start spending like mad. Now you change your opinion because your bible the Torygraph dictates otherwise.
Now what is more relevant what is the point of the Tories at all, now it is clear that everything they have promised amounts to nothing. Expect that is pure incompetence.
That is not true for they have made progress in reducing the debt, creating employment and improving the economy .I doubt that Labour in office would have achieved anything at all except to increase the welfare bill and the national debt. It's working people/the middle classes the needy who have reduced the deficit while the government has increased the debt.
How many jobs that the coalition claim to have created are just jobs moved from the public sector to the private sector ?
NL wanted cuts and growth to take place at the same time, Brown and Obama argued for this at the G8/20 meeting.
The Tories have made cuts their man choice.
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Strange you were saying a few posts ago that Labour would reverse all the cuts and start spending like mad. Now you change your opinion because your bible the Torygraph dictates otherwise.
Now what is more relevant what is the point of the Tories at all, now it is clear that everything they have promised amounts to nothing. Expect that is pure incompetence.
That is not true for they have made progress in reducing the debt, creating employment and improving the economy .I doubt that Labour in office would have achieved anything at all except to increase the welfare bill and the national debt.
You left out core voters who will always dance to the tune of a pied piper with taxpayers money to waste. While others dance to the tune of right-wing newspapers ?
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Strange you were saying a few posts ago that Labour would reverse all the cuts and start spending like mad. Now you change your opinion because your bible the Torygraph dictates otherwise.
Now what is more relevant what is the point of the Tories at all, now it is clear that everything they have promised amounts to nothing. Expect that is pure incompetence.
That is not true for they have made progress in reducing the debt, creating employment and improving the economy .I doubt that Labour in office would have achieved anything at all except to increase the welfare bill and the national debt.
You left out core voters who will always dance to the tune of a pied piper with taxpayers money to waste.
While others dance to the tune of right-wing newspapers ? Regardless of which papers one reads, WHOEVER gets in next time round will HAVE to adopt right wing policies in order to get the UK back into a surplus situation.....or do you disagree?
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How absolutely despicable. Tory scrounging MPs can have everything on our expense. Yet a family that is truly suffering can't have penny! Were the Tory MPs the only ones scrounging on expenses?
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Strange you were saying a few posts ago that Labour would reverse all the cuts and start spending like mad. Now you change your opinion because your bible the Torygraph dictates otherwise.
Now what is more relevant what is the point of the Tories at all, now it is clear that everything they have promised amounts to nothing. Expect that is pure incompetence.
That is not true for they have made progress in reducing the debt, creating employment and improving the economy .I doubt that Labour in office would have achieved anything at all except to increase the welfare bill and the national debt. It is true - what planet do you live on? What progress, borrowing is as high as ever. All they have succeeded in, is punishing those who haven't caused the problems, namely the poorest in society. Whilst those who have, get off scot free.
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How absolutely despicable. Tory scrounging MPs can have everything on our expense. Yet a family that is truly suffering can't have penny!
Were the Tory MPs the only ones scrounging on expenses? No, but the Tories are the worst ones, the worst examples of those who are at it.
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deep
You left out core voters who will always dance to the tune of a pied piper with taxpayers money to waste.
While others dance to the tune of right-wing newspapers ?
Regardless of which papers one reads, WHOEVER gets in next time round will HAVE to adopt right wing policies in order to get the UK back into a surplus situation.....or do you disagree? Absolute nonsense. We have a extremist right wing government in power (at least until May, when we can get rid of the scum), that has achieved sod all over the past five years.
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How absolutely despicable. Tory scrounging MPs can have everything on our expense. Yet a family that is truly suffering can't have penny!
Were the Tory MPs the only ones scrounging on expenses?
No, but the Tories are the worst ones, the worst examples of those who are at it. Hogwash they are all as bad as each other
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Were the Tory MPs the only ones scrounging on expenses?
No, but the Tories are the worst ones, the worst examples of those who are at it.
Hogwash they are all as bad as each other Hogwash, the Tory scroungers are the absolute worse!
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Labour would not reverse billions of pounds of spending cuts to the police, hospitals, armed forces and local councils, Ed Balls has confirmed. The savings include cutting £3.3billion from councils’ budgets, making £700million worth of cuts to the pay of members of the armed forces and shaving £400million off the NHS pay bill. LINKIt has to be asked, what are Labour for if it is going to match the Tory budget programme? They now promise to stick to current Coalition plans so what are the offering? Maybe they think they can offer an experienced Management Team that can stimulate the economy and hold a tighter grip on State spending? Makes one want to laugh. Let's get real, without a programme of increases in State expenditure coupled with a programme of social engineering to make us fit their mould there is absolutely no point in Labour. If Labour put forward a programme of increased spending you jump up and down and rant they are the party of tax and spend
If they pledge to adhere to their opponents policy on spending you rant whats thevpiint
Mr Milliband cant fucking win with you can he. . He cant win with me either, but that's because the shitebags party is fucking me over west of offas dyke where they never got evicted, not becayse of some phony argument over what is a packnof lies anyway
At least I make my decisions based on the actions they have taken rather tgan the bollocks they spout
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Labour would not reverse billions of pounds of spending cuts to the police, hospitals, armed forces and local councils, Ed Balls has confirmed. The savings include cutting £3.3billion from councils’ budgets, making £700million worth of cuts to the pay of members of the armed forces and shaving £400million off the NHS pay bill. LINKIt has to be asked, what are Labour for if it is going to match the Tory budget programme? They now promise to stick to current Coalition plans so what are the offering? Maybe they think they can offer an experienced Management Team that can stimulate the economy and hold a tighter grip on State spending? Makes one want to laugh. Let's get real, without a programme of increases in State expenditure coupled with a programme of social engineering to make us fit their mould there is absolutely no point in Labour.
If Labour put forward a programme of increased spending you jump up and down and rant they are the party of tax and spend If they pledge to adhere to their opponents policy on spending you rant whats thevpiint Mr Milliband cant fucking win with you can he. . He cant win with me either, but that's because the shitebags party is fucking me over west of offas dyke where they never got evicted, not becayse of some phony argument over what is a packnof lies anyway At least I make my decisions based on the actions they have taken rather tgan the bollocks they spout Just looking for clear blue water John and from where I sit, on my podium, I hear a lot of anger from the left (phoney in my view), but I see little in the way of new policies that are commensurate. Take the NHS, a lot of hot air from Burnham, a strategy to weaponise the issue by Milliband, but what is the difference in policy? Not much of note except that Labour thinks it can find ~£2.5b extra via a tax on so-called mansions and the Tories wish to squeeze out a similar amount via productivity gains. So thats ~£2.5b in a budget of £120b and the accuracy of measurement is? Sounds like a very phoney war too me .Same goes for the deficit, a lot of Labour noise but no substance. So I repeat "what is Labour for", beyond revving up the Envy and Spite Brigade?
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