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It's a kind of madness
Topic Started: Jan 30 2015, 05:17 PM (280 Views)
Alberich
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I read that there is growing support for the "green" party, and while it is easy to knock them as "tree-huggers" and the like, there does seem to be a genuine shift amongst the electorate towards supporting them. It may be a sign of the general disillusion amongst us plebs with the two main parties, but whatever the cause, it is there. And it scares me to death. You really have to do what few of their supporters can have done, and that is take a look at what they are proposing; were they ever to become the government of the day.

Their proposals include the following; and one has to assume that they are serious. Others might assume a sort of naïve simplicity bordering on insanity.

Top-ups for people with children or disabilities, or to pay rent and mortgages. No-one will see a reduction in benefits, and most will see a substantial increase. Parents will be entitled to two years’ paid leave from work. •The policy will enable people to “choose their own types and patterns of work”, and will allow people to take up “personally satisfying and socially useful work”. It will cost around £240-280 billion a year – more than double the current health budget, and ten times the defence budget. And that is only the beginning.

Inheritance tax – “to prevent the accumulation of wealth and power by a privileged class” – will no longer apply only to estates after death.
They intend it to apply to gifts made while the giver is still alive – raising the prospect of levies on cars, jewellery or furniture given by parents to their children.

They will introduce new "resource" taxes on wood, metal and minerals, and steeper levies imposed on cars. Import taxes will be levied on goods brought to Britain reflecting the “ecological impact” of making them – with tariffs reintroduced for trade between Britain and the rest of Europe. They seem to assume that this will be possible, and that the E.U. will somehow roll over. Hmmmm!

The sex industry will be decriminalised, and the use of imprisonment will be“significantly reduced”, with jail only used when there is a “substantial risk of a further grave crime” or in cases where offences are so horrific that offenders would be at risk of vigilantes. Prisoners will be given the vote.

In education, SATS, early years tests and league tables will be abolished, and “creative” subjects given equal parity to the “academic”. •Independent schools will lose their charitable status and pay corporation tax, while church schools will be stripped of taxpayer funding. Religious instruction will be banned in school hours. •Tuition fees will be abolished –(no mention of where the money is to come from) but state research funding for universities will increase to reduce a reliance on “biased” commercial research. •The “overall volume” of advertising on TV and newspapers will be controlled and cut, as part of a war on the “materialist and consumption driven culture which is not sustainable”.

•The England football, rugby and cricket teams would no longer play against countries where “normal, friendly, respectful or diplomatic relations are not possible.” Football clubs would be owned by co-operatives and not traded on the stock markets. ( Again, no mention of the mechanics of such a change.)

•No more new airports or runways will be built, and existing ones nationalised. All new homes and businesses must by law provide bicycle parking. Helicopter travel would be regulated “more strictly”. The sale of alcohol on planes and airports will be tightly restricted to prevent air-rage, and the air on inbound flights tested for disease. •Advertising of holiday flights will be controlled by law to halt the “promotion of a high-carbon lifestyle”. New taxes would be imposed on carriers to reduce passenger numbers.

Assisted dying will be legalised, and the law on abortion liberalised to allow nurses to carry it out. “Alternative” medicine will be promoted. Private healthcare will be more heavily taxed, with special levies on private hospitals that employ staff who were trained on the NHS. •It will be a criminal offence, with “significant fines”, to stop a woman from breastfeeding in a restaurant or shop, and formula milk will be more tightly regulated.

•In order to prevent “overpopulation” burdening the earth, the state will provide free condoms and fund research for new contraceptives.(you really couldn't make it up, could you?) And being a member of al-Qaeda, the IRA and other currently proscribed terrorist groups will no longer be a criminal offence, and instead a Green Government should seek to “address desperate motivations that lie behind many atrocities labelled ‘terrorist’,”

•Britain will leave NATO, end the special relationship with the US, and unilaterally abandon nuclear weapons. A standing army, navy and airforce is “unnecessary”. Bases will be turned into nature reserves and the arms industry “converted” to producing windturbines. (it just gets better and better!)

•“Richer regions do not have the right to use migration controls to protect their privileges from others in the long term, and a green government will “progressively reduce” border controls, including an amnesty for illegal immigrants after five years. •Access to benefits, the right to vote and tax obligations will apply to everyone living on British soil, regardless of passport. Their policy book states: “We will work to create a world of global inter-responsibility in which the concept of a ‘British national’ is irrelevant and outdated.” •Political parties will be funded by the state, and the electoral system changed. Oh, and the monarchy will be abolished! (so there).

So there you have it. I really don't know whether to laugh or cry, and I still cannot understand where their increased support is coming from. Or perhaps I do.
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Jan 30 2015, 05:17 PM
I read that there is growing support for the "green" party, and while it is easy to knock them as "tree-huggers" and the like, there does seem to be a genuine shift amongst the electorate towards supporting them. It may be a sign of the general disillusion amongst us plebs with the two main parties, but whatever the cause, it is there. And it scares me to death. You really have to do what few of their supporters can have done, and that is take a look at what they are proposing; were they ever to become the government of the day.

Their proposals include the following; and one has to assume that they are serious. Others might assume a sort of naïve simplicity bordering on insanity.

Top-ups for people with children or disabilities, or to pay rent and mortgages. No-one will see a reduction in benefits, and most will see a substantial increase. Parents will be entitled to two years’ paid leave from work. •The policy will enable people to “choose their own types and patterns of work”, and will allow people to take up “personally satisfying and socially useful work”. It will cost around £240-280 billion a year – more than double the current health budget, and ten times the defence budget. And that is only the beginning.

Inheritance tax – “to prevent the accumulation of wealth and power by a privileged class” – will no longer apply only to estates after death.
They intend it to apply to gifts made while the giver is still alive – raising the prospect of levies on cars, jewellery or furniture given by parents to their children.

They will introduce new "resource" taxes on wood, metal and minerals, and steeper levies imposed on cars. Import taxes will be levied on goods brought to Britain reflecting the “ecological impact” of making them – with tariffs reintroduced for trade between Britain and the rest of Europe. They seem to assume that this will be possible, and that the E.U. will somehow roll over. Hmmmm!

The sex industry will be decriminalised, and the use of imprisonment will be“significantly reduced”, with jail only used when there is a “substantial risk of a further grave crime” or in cases where offences are so horrific that offenders would be at risk of vigilantes. Prisoners will be given the vote.

In education, SATS, early years tests and league tables will be abolished, and “creative” subjects given equal parity to the “academic”. •Independent schools will lose their charitable status and pay corporation tax, while church schools will be stripped of taxpayer funding. Religious instruction will be banned in school hours. •Tuition fees will be abolished –(no mention of where the money is to come from) but state research funding for universities will increase to reduce a reliance on “biased” commercial research. •The “overall volume” of advertising on TV and newspapers will be controlled and cut, as part of a war on the “materialist and consumption driven culture which is not sustainable”.

•The England football, rugby and cricket teams would no longer play against countries where “normal, friendly, respectful or diplomatic relations are not possible.” Football clubs would be owned by co-operatives and not traded on the stock markets. ( Again, no mention of the mechanics of such a change.)

•No more new airports or runways will be built, and existing ones nationalised. All new homes and businesses must by law provide bicycle parking. Helicopter travel would be regulated “more strictly”. The sale of alcohol on planes and airports will be tightly restricted to prevent air-rage, and the air on inbound flights tested for disease. •Advertising of holiday flights will be controlled by law to halt the “promotion of a high-carbon lifestyle”. New taxes would be imposed on carriers to reduce passenger numbers.

Assisted dying will be legalised, and the law on abortion liberalised to allow nurses to carry it out. “Alternative” medicine will be promoted. Private healthcare will be more heavily taxed, with special levies on private hospitals that employ staff who were trained on the NHS. •It will be a criminal offence, with “significant fines”, to stop a woman from breastfeeding in a restaurant or shop, and formula milk will be more tightly regulated.

•In order to prevent “overpopulation” burdening the earth, the state will provide free condoms and fund research for new contraceptives.(you really couldn't make it up, could you?) And being a member of al-Qaeda, the IRA and other currently proscribed terrorist groups will no longer be a criminal offence, and instead a Green Government should seek to “address desperate motivations that lie behind many atrocities labelled ‘terrorist’,”

•Britain will leave NATO, end the special relationship with the US, and unilaterally abandon nuclear weapons. A standing army, navy and airforce is “unnecessary”. Bases will be turned into nature reserves and the arms industry “converted” to producing windturbines. (it just gets better and better!)

•“Richer regions do not have the right to use migration controls to protect their privileges from others in the long term, and a green government will “progressively reduce” border controls, including an amnesty for illegal immigrants after five years. •Access to benefits, the right to vote and tax obligations will apply to everyone living on British soil, regardless of passport. Their policy book states: “We will work to create a world of global inter-responsibility in which the concept of a ‘British national’ is irrelevant and outdated.” •Political parties will be funded by the state, and the electoral system changed. Oh, and the monarchy will be abolished! (so there).

So there you have it. I really don't know whether to laugh or cry, and I still cannot understand where their increased support is coming from. Or perhaps I do.
A high proportion of Voters are bonkers, then voted for NL at each GE now they are looking elsewhere and find the Greens rather cuddly. The Greens are bonkers, they seem like erstwhile Marxists looking for a new cause.

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Alberich I was giving serious thought to voting Green.

Don't get me wrong I would never vote for them if I thought they had a snowflakes chance in he'll of getting into power but as it is as bonkers as they may be they are the only genuine alternative to the establishment parties that I cannot bring myself to vote for.
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Jan 30 2015, 08:23 PM
Alberich I was giving serious thought to voting Green.

Don't get me wrong I would never vote for them if I thought they had a snowflakes chance in he'll of getting into power but as it is as bonkers as they may be they are the only genuine alternative to the establishment parties that I cannot bring myself to vote for.
HH, you are a man driven to desperate measures by arrogant politicians who will not listen to popular opinion, do not be ashamed, you are like me and millions of others who will show their disgust at the next GE, it may do no good to bringing a fully democratic party to power that can be trusted this time round but hopefully it will make it easier in 5 years time.
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Jan 30 2015, 05:38 PM
A high proportion of Voters are bonkers,
Not at all, they are so ill informed they end up voting Tory. (I don't blame them for being ill informed, I blame the media.)
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Their policies do not surprise me, but then again, back in the day when I thought we had a country worth defending, I was called upon to install materials at three armed forces shore facilities they were picketing. One wonders why I and everyone else bothered when these wankers are given a voice and demand that ISIS and co have one too.

Yeah, at the same time as they wish to disband our defences, they wish to give absolute freedom of association to anyone and everyone who wishes us ill in the cause of overthrowing our government and installing one of THEIR (and here don't mean the green's) liking

Still, look on the bright side, I might live long enough to see a couple of jihadis wipe the smile right off their faces
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Jan 30 2015, 05:38 PM
Alberich
Jan 30 2015, 05:17 PM
I read that there is growing support for the "green" party, and while it is easy to knock them as "tree-huggers" and the like, there does seem to be a genuine shift amongst the electorate towards supporting them. It may be a sign of the general disillusion amongst us plebs with the two main parties, but whatever the cause, it is there. And it scares me to death. You really have to do what few of their supporters can have done, and that is take a look at what they are proposing; were they ever to become the government of the day.

Their proposals include the following; and one has to assume that they are serious. Others might assume a sort of naïve simplicity bordering on insanity.

Top-ups for people with children or disabilities, or to pay rent and mortgages. No-one will see a reduction in benefits, and most will see a substantial increase. Parents will be entitled to two years’ paid leave from work. •The policy will enable people to “choose their own types and patterns of work”, and will allow people to take up “personally satisfying and socially useful work”. It will cost around £240-280 billion a year – more than double the current health budget, and ten times the defence budget. And that is only the beginning.

Inheritance tax – “to prevent the accumulation of wealth and power by a privileged class” – will no longer apply only to estates after death.
They intend it to apply to gifts made while the giver is still alive – raising the prospect of levies on cars, jewellery or furniture given by parents to their children.

They will introduce new "resource" taxes on wood, metal and minerals, and steeper levies imposed on cars. Import taxes will be levied on goods brought to Britain reflecting the “ecological impact” of making them – with tariffs reintroduced for trade between Britain and the rest of Europe. They seem to assume that this will be possible, and that the E.U. will somehow roll over. Hmmmm!

The sex industry will be decriminalised, and the use of imprisonment will be“significantly reduced”, with jail only used when there is a “substantial risk of a further grave crime” or in cases where offences are so horrific that offenders would be at risk of vigilantes. Prisoners will be given the vote.

In education, SATS, early years tests and league tables will be abolished, and “creative” subjects given equal parity to the “academic”. •Independent schools will lose their charitable status and pay corporation tax, while church schools will be stripped of taxpayer funding. Religious instruction will be banned in school hours. •Tuition fees will be abolished –(no mention of where the money is to come from) but state research funding for universities will increase to reduce a reliance on “biased” commercial research. •The “overall volume” of advertising on TV and newspapers will be controlled and cut, as part of a war on the “materialist and consumption driven culture which is not sustainable”.

•The England football, rugby and cricket teams would no longer play against countries where “normal, friendly, respectful or diplomatic relations are not possible.” Football clubs would be owned by co-operatives and not traded on the stock markets. ( Again, no mention of the mechanics of such a change.)

•No more new airports or runways will be built, and existing ones nationalised. All new homes and businesses must by law provide bicycle parking. Helicopter travel would be regulated “more strictly”. The sale of alcohol on planes and airports will be tightly restricted to prevent air-rage, and the air on inbound flights tested for disease. •Advertising of holiday flights will be controlled by law to halt the “promotion of a high-carbon lifestyle”. New taxes would be imposed on carriers to reduce passenger numbers.

Assisted dying will be legalised, and the law on abortion liberalised to allow nurses to carry it out. “Alternative” medicine will be promoted. Private healthcare will be more heavily taxed, with special levies on private hospitals that employ staff who were trained on the NHS. •It will be a criminal offence, with “significant fines”, to stop a woman from breastfeeding in a restaurant or shop, and formula milk will be more tightly regulated.

•In order to prevent “overpopulation” burdening the earth, the state will provide free condoms and fund research for new contraceptives.(you really couldn't make it up, could you?) And being a member of al-Qaeda, the IRA and other currently proscribed terrorist groups will no longer be a criminal offence, and instead a Green Government should seek to “address desperate motivations that lie behind many atrocities labelled ‘terrorist’,”

•Britain will leave NATO, end the special relationship with the US, and unilaterally abandon nuclear weapons. A standing army, navy and airforce is “unnecessary”. Bases will be turned into nature reserves and the arms industry “converted” to producing windturbines. (it just gets better and better!)

•“Richer regions do not have the right to use migration controls to protect their privileges from others in the long term, and a green government will “progressively reduce” border controls, including an amnesty for illegal immigrants after five years. •Access to benefits, the right to vote and tax obligations will apply to everyone living on British soil, regardless of passport. Their policy book states: “We will work to create a world of global inter-responsibility in which the concept of a ‘British national’ is irrelevant and outdated.” •Political parties will be funded by the state, and the electoral system changed. Oh, and the monarchy will be abolished! (so there).

So there you have it. I really don't know whether to laugh or cry, and I still cannot understand where their increased support is coming from. Or perhaps I do.
A high proportion of Voters are bonkers, then voted for NL at each GE now they are looking elsewhere and find the Greens rather cuddly. The Greens are bonkers, they seem like erstwhile Marxists looking for a new cause.

Yes I would seriously doubt the sanity or indeed the complete idiocy of anyone even considering voting Tory at any election.
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Jan 30 2015, 05:38 PM
Alberich
Jan 30 2015, 05:17 PM
I read that there is growing support for the "green" party, and while it is easy to knock them as "tree-huggers" and the like, there does seem to be a genuine shift amongst the electorate towards supporting them. It may be a sign of the general disillusion amongst us plebs with the two main parties, but whatever the cause, it is there. And it scares me to death. You really have to do what few of their supporters can have done, and that is take a look at what they are proposing; were they ever to become the government of the day.

Their proposals include the following; and one has to assume that they are serious. Others might assume a sort of naïve simplicity bordering on insanity.

Top-ups for people with children or disabilities, or to pay rent and mortgages. No-one will see a reduction in benefits, and most will see a substantial increase. Parents will be entitled to two years’ paid leave from work. •The policy will enable people to “choose their own types and patterns of work”, and will allow people to take up “personally satisfying and socially useful work”. It will cost around £240-280 billion a year – more than double the current health budget, and ten times the defence budget. And that is only the beginning.

Inheritance tax – “to prevent the accumulation of wealth and power by a privileged class” – will no longer apply only to estates after death.
They intend it to apply to gifts made while the giver is still alive – raising the prospect of levies on cars, jewellery or furniture given by parents to their children.

They will introduce new "resource" taxes on wood, metal and minerals, and steeper levies imposed on cars. Import taxes will be levied on goods brought to Britain reflecting the “ecological impact” of making them – with tariffs reintroduced for trade between Britain and the rest of Europe. They seem to assume that this will be possible, and that the E.U. will somehow roll over. Hmmmm!

The sex industry will be decriminalised, and the use of imprisonment will be“significantly reduced”, with jail only used when there is a “substantial risk of a further grave crime” or in cases where offences are so horrific that offenders would be at risk of vigilantes. Prisoners will be given the vote.

In education, SATS, early years tests and league tables will be abolished, and “creative” subjects given equal parity to the “academic”. •Independent schools will lose their charitable status and pay corporation tax, while church schools will be stripped of taxpayer funding. Religious instruction will be banned in school hours. •Tuition fees will be abolished –(no mention of where the money is to come from) but state research funding for universities will increase to reduce a reliance on “biased” commercial research. •The “overall volume” of advertising on TV and newspapers will be controlled and cut, as part of a war on the “materialist and consumption driven culture which is not sustainable”.

•The England football, rugby and cricket teams would no longer play against countries where “normal, friendly, respectful or diplomatic relations are not possible.” Football clubs would be owned by co-operatives and not traded on the stock markets. ( Again, no mention of the mechanics of such a change.)

•No more new airports or runways will be built, and existing ones nationalised. All new homes and businesses must by law provide bicycle parking. Helicopter travel would be regulated “more strictly”. The sale of alcohol on planes and airports will be tightly restricted to prevent air-rage, and the air on inbound flights tested for disease. •Advertising of holiday flights will be controlled by law to halt the “promotion of a high-carbon lifestyle”. New taxes would be imposed on carriers to reduce passenger numbers.

Assisted dying will be legalised, and the law on abortion liberalised to allow nurses to carry it out. “Alternative” medicine will be promoted. Private healthcare will be more heavily taxed, with special levies on private hospitals that employ staff who were trained on the NHS. •It will be a criminal offence, with “significant fines”, to stop a woman from breastfeeding in a restaurant or shop, and formula milk will be more tightly regulated.

•In order to prevent “overpopulation” burdening the earth, the state will provide free condoms and fund research for new contraceptives.(you really couldn't make it up, could you?) And being a member of al-Qaeda, the IRA and other currently proscribed terrorist groups will no longer be a criminal offence, and instead a Green Government should seek to “address desperate motivations that lie behind many atrocities labelled ‘terrorist’,”

•Britain will leave NATO, end the special relationship with the US, and unilaterally abandon nuclear weapons. A standing army, navy and airforce is “unnecessary”. Bases will be turned into nature reserves and the arms industry “converted” to producing windturbines. (it just gets better and better!)

•“Richer regions do not have the right to use migration controls to protect their privileges from others in the long term, and a green government will “progressively reduce” border controls, including an amnesty for illegal immigrants after five years. •Access to benefits, the right to vote and tax obligations will apply to everyone living on British soil, regardless of passport. Their policy book states: “We will work to create a world of global inter-responsibility in which the concept of a ‘British national’ is irrelevant and outdated.” •Political parties will be funded by the state, and the electoral system changed. Oh, and the monarchy will be abolished! (so there).

So there you have it. I really don't know whether to laugh or cry, and I still cannot understand where their increased support is coming from. Or perhaps I do.
A high proportion of Voters are bonkers, then voted for NL at each GE now they are looking elsewhere and find the Greens rather cuddly. The Greens are bonkers, they seem like erstwhile Marxists looking for a new cause.

Let's be fair, they also repeatedly voted for callous Conservatism.
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I read that there is growing support for the "green" party, and while it is easy to knock them as "tree-huggers" and the like, there does seem to be a genuine shift amongst the electorate towards supporting them. It may be a sign of the general disillusion amongst us plebs with the two main parties, but whatever the cause, it is there. And it scares me to death. You really have to do what few of their supporters can have done, and that is take a look at what they are proposing; were they ever to become the government of the day. . . . .
So there you have it. I really don't know whether to laugh or cry, and I still cannot understand where their increased support is coming from. Or perhaps I do.
seconded.

For those with 25 minutes to spare here is their car crash TV appearance on the politics show
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Alberich I was giving serious thought to voting Green.

Don't get me wrong I would never vote for them if I thought they had a snowflakes chance in he'll of getting into power but as it is as bonkers as they may be they are the only genuine alternative to the establishment parties that I cannot bring myself to vote for.
Happy Hornet, whilst I realise that the main qualification for voting for the Greens is the 'bonkers' factor and in this regard the Monster Raving Loony Party are, in comparison, not nearly so bonkers being merely as the name says loony, I do commend them as a positive protest vote as opposed to the Greens being a negative protest vote. Mind you as mature ladies go Caroline Lucas could make a chap jump to attention, ppolitically speaking of course. Shame she is bonkers!
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Happy Hornet
Jan 30 2015, 08:23 PM
Alberich I was giving serious thought to voting Green.

Don't get me wrong I would never vote for them if I thought they had a snowflakes chance in he'll of getting into power but as it is as bonkers as they may be they are the only genuine alternative to the establishment parties that I cannot bring myself to vote for.
Happy Hornet, whilst I realise that the main qualification for voting for the Greens is the 'bonkers' factor and in this regard the Monster Raving Loony Party are, in comparison, not nearly so bonkers being merely as the name says loony, I do commend them as a positive protest vote as opposed to the Greens being a negative protest vote. Mind you as mature ladies go Caroline Lucas could make a chap jump to attention, ppolitically speaking of course. Shame she is bonkers!
She certainly is not pleasant on my eye. Her features are hard and when she speaks my hearing aids go into a high pitched whistle.
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She certainly is not pleasant on my eye. Her features are hard and when she speaks my hearing aids go into a high pitched whistle.
That's the implant in your head picking up an alarm signal from Conservative Central Office.

I would though.
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