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| Topic Started: Jan 30 2015, 05:41 PM (1,462 Views) | |
| Tytoalba | Jan 30 2015, 05:41 PM Post #1 |
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On BBC TV News this morning at about 9-10am, so you can look for yourself, they announced that a research group claimed that the next general election could be decided by immigrants, meaning not British born, but on the electoral roll. They named two London boroughs, where this could apply , and would vote Labour, and three or more cities in England where they could vote for immigrant candidates. If it has been reported correctly, it seems that our countries destiny will no longer be in our hands, and the General election will be decided by immigrants. It will be interesting to see the list of candidates when they are announced. It is Likely that Cameron has delayed the referendum on the EU until the numbers are stacked in his favour, that is to in favour of remaining in the EU |
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| C-too | Feb 1 2015, 11:23 AM Post #41 |
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Correct, but it was a surprise to me to find how many times the Telegraph popped up when I went looking for political information. I suspect that will have some effect on some people. |
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| Whirlpool | Feb 1 2015, 11:23 AM Post #42 |
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Is this OP problem unique to the British Isles or is it more pointless, double standard, whingeing and bickering that one can expect from the usual right wing suspects? |
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| Steve K | Feb 1 2015, 11:26 AM Post #43 |
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Why? What are you saying the chart tells us? |
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| papasmurf | Feb 1 2015, 11:48 AM Post #44 |
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How low the basic state pension is in Britain compared with other countries.. |
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| Lewis | Feb 1 2015, 12:00 PM Post #45 |
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Well it is the wealthiest 1% who control 90% of the country. They don't need to influence elections, to them democracy is just an inconvenience, so why not just pay lip service to it. |
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| Steve K | Feb 1 2015, 12:03 PM Post #46 |
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Yes but that's because so many contract out in the UK. You have to compare the state pensions compared to contributions We already established that the UK state pension is way above what is a fair payout based on contributions made for it. It is in effect a tax on the rich to buy the votes of those who didn't make proper provision for their old age |
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| papasmurf | Feb 1 2015, 12:12 PM Post #47 |
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Really, any evidence for that? Plus contracting out does NOT apply to the basic state pension. |
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| ranger121 | Feb 1 2015, 12:16 PM Post #48 |
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What's one of the biggest costs when one is getting on in life? Health-care, correct? Which are the countries on the list which have 'free' health care? |
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| RJD | Feb 1 2015, 12:46 PM Post #49 |
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No they don't, this have an interest in a small part of the UK media output. Overwhelmingly the BBC provides the vast majority of news that most Punters absorb and it's tendency towards the left is well established, as is your addiction to conspiracy. When will the left stop whinging? |
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| Steve K | Feb 1 2015, 12:48 PM Post #50 |
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Oh for goodness sake PS of course it matters when you are comparing our basic state pension with the contributions based pensions of other countries Perhaps you didn't read the article you took that chart from
If you want more try this link
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| papasmurf | Feb 1 2015, 12:51 PM Post #51 |
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I didn't take the chart from that article. |
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| Steve K | Feb 1 2015, 12:56 PM Post #52 |
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Well lets look URL for the chart you posted: http://conversation.which.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/pension-table.png URL for the same chart in the article I posted: http://conversation.which.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/pension-table.png The two URLs do look remarkably the same don't they |
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| marybrown | Feb 1 2015, 12:56 PM Post #53 |
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I don't know why the shock!!! In West Yorkshire where I used to live, I would estimate that 80% of the candidates are ''Brits'' of Pakistani and Indian origins..Some Polish/Brits.. Who are apparently applying in vast numbers for British Citizenship in case the number of Eastern European workers gets reduced...(must protect their financial interests!)....It's already happened.. As for our hospitals..we will be needing to take a translator with us soon!! |
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| papasmurf | Feb 1 2015, 12:59 PM Post #54 |
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Neither of those are where I copied the chart from. Someone posted just the chart in another forum and I copied it from there. |
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| HIGHWAY | Feb 1 2015, 12:59 PM Post #55 |
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What's wrong with foreign born medics the consultant I see once a month is Irish should he be allowed in. |
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| HIGHWAY | Feb 1 2015, 01:01 PM Post #56 |
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What's wrong with foreign born medics the consultant I see once a month is Irish should he be allowed in. |
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| papasmurf | Feb 1 2015, 01:03 PM Post #57 |
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You see an Irish Doctor once a month, that explains a lot. |
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| HIGHWAY | Feb 1 2015, 01:07 PM Post #58 |
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Yip,,British people are too lazy to work hard to get to do those kind of jobs |
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| papasmurf | Feb 1 2015, 01:10 PM Post #59 |
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I think you need to see another doctor for a second opinion as to what ails you. |
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| marybrown | Feb 1 2015, 01:15 PM Post #60 |
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Nothing wrong with foreign born medics...who can speak reasonable English..have an understanding of the latest technology... For instance, my doctors have the usual letters after their names..bestowed upon them by the B.M.A...however, there is an African doctor there..next to his name is ''equivalent!'' Are African diplomas ''equivalent'' to B.M.A.? Apparently so!!
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| HIGHWAY | Feb 1 2015, 01:16 PM Post #61 |
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Am sure you refuse to see him like every other patients at your practice then,, Edited by HIGHWAY, Feb 1 2015, 01:17 PM.
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| Tigger | Feb 1 2015, 01:18 PM Post #62 |
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I have also seen an Irish doctor to see if he can help me with my hair loss his name is (wait for it) Dr Tom O' Tei. |
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| HIGHWAY | Feb 1 2015, 01:19 PM Post #63 |
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It must be true,,why else do so many people complain there's too many foreign medics in the UK,must be Brits are too lazy to get the qualifications they need |
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| Rich | Feb 1 2015, 01:22 PM Post #64 |
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Please judge for yourself. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2541612/German-doctor-killed-British-patient-drug-overdose-sues-dead-mans-sons-miss-dinner.html Persaonally speaking, I think any "doctor" coming to work in this country should have to pass a language and theory test before being let loose on people who put their trust in them. |
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| Alberich | Feb 1 2015, 01:23 PM Post #65 |
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You are both being rather selective in your comments here, chaps. Commonwealth citizens, from any one of the 54 member states can register on the electoral roll upon arrival in the UK as long as they have an address. But that address need not be permanent, nor do they even have to reside full time in the UK, or hold British citizenship. According to Migration Watch UK there will be more than one million Commonwealth citizens who do not have British citizenship with the right to vote in the next election. For example, a student visitor from a Commonwealth country planning to study for six months would be allowed to enrol on the electoral register and vote in a parliamentary election if one was held during the duration of his or her stay. Surely even you would have to agree that on the face of things, this is an absurdity? The 2011 census data shows that there are 960,000 Commonwealth citizens who do not have British citizenship living in England and Wales but who have the right to vote. This total includes only those who, in 2011, were over the age of 15 and who therefore would be eligible to vote in 2015, Migration Watch UK said. Now you might sneer at Migration watch...in fact, you probably will. But they have been far more accurate in telling it like it is that any of the main parties. So the original poster has a point. Migrants could well influence the outcome of the next election, without living here permanently, or holding citizenship. Funny old world, isn't it? |
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| marybrown | Feb 1 2015, 01:24 PM Post #66 |
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No..this is what is happening.. They cost us £610,000 to train - but 3,000 a year are leaving us for a life in the sun in Australia and New Zealand Nearly 3,000 doctors a year apply for a certificate to work overseas... Australia and New Zealand preferred destinations as work is easier there... Number of GPs arriving from Greece, Italy and Romania has also increased.. So they've used our tax money to enable them to leave the UK.. Nice..
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| Deleted User | Feb 1 2015, 01:26 PM Post #67 |
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I had a bad experience once when a nurse who couldnt understand English was told to prick my boil. |
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| Tigger | Feb 1 2015, 01:33 PM Post #68 |
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This has been done before. Of course he was hired by a private agency to work in this hospital because the government has made it very difficult for hospitals to recruit trained temporary staff without going through these agencies, the fact he'd been dismissed from a hospital in Leeds a few weeks earlier for incompetence did not stop another agency looking for a fee from dumping him on another NHS hospital. And just to avoid any unwarranted accusations you of course meant to imply he is dodgy because he is incompetent rather than because he is black, I knew that but others might have been less charitable............ |
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| marybrown | Feb 1 2015, 01:33 PM Post #69 |
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Not really..But but I don't feel very reassured..African qualifications smack of the vouchers on the back of a cornflake packet..also the diseases and ailments he was trained to possibly cure would not apply in England..unless of course I came down with Dengue fever.. My last doctor was Pakistani..very poor English..who nearly killed me by prescribing medication that was absolutely nothing to do with my ailment...after a month of feeling very ill..I mentioned it to the pharmacist who immediately refused to give me anymore until he had seen the doctor!! |
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| Tigger | Feb 1 2015, 01:36 PM Post #70 |
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I'm well aware of all of this in fact I pointed this out over on the "other place" when it was brought up, the implication of the OP was that unfettered immigration was a danger to the country and democracy, plus of course the fear they'd vote red. |
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| Oddball 2014 | Feb 1 2015, 01:36 PM Post #71 |
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A couple of hours ago I learned on Radio 4 that there are more fraudulent doctors than qualified ones in India, and of course from time-to-time they get past our own 'screening'. Much like illegal immigrants those numbers can only be 'guessed' at. gansao - Yeh, did she stick it in an autoclave? Ouch! |
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| HIGHWAY | Feb 1 2015, 01:44 PM Post #72 |
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So your last foreign born doctor nearly killed you,so your now seeing another foreign born doctor,why just refuse to see him,and see a so called superior British one |
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| Deleted User | Feb 1 2015, 01:46 PM Post #73 |
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She tried to , it drove me nuts. |
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| Affa | Feb 1 2015, 01:49 PM Post #74 |
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must be ....... what other reason could there be? No wonder we're screwed, with voters that cannot think beyond the first indication that enters their head. "We're Doomed I Tell You, Doomed"! |
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| Affa | Feb 1 2015, 01:56 PM Post #75 |
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Yes; English can be confusing to some that generally put the verb after the noun. |
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| marybrown | Feb 1 2015, 01:56 PM Post #76 |
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Very few and far between..and if you can find one, they are usually booked up for the next 3 months...virtually impossible.. |
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| HIGHWAY | Feb 1 2015, 01:59 PM Post #77 |
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You can't get a GP appointment for 3 months,,,where do you live about |
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| Tigger | Feb 1 2015, 02:00 PM Post #78 |
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Er....... The cost of putting yourself through university might have something to do with it? And what with the middle classes in decline the future does not look that promising on this front |
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| marybrown | Feb 1 2015, 02:00 PM Post #79 |
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Funniest ''doctor's'' sign I ever came across was in Tunisia.. He was advertising ''dentistry and gynecology''... . |
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| Tigger | Feb 1 2015, 02:01 PM Post #80 |
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Three months! ![]() To quote Victor Meldrew.......... |
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