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Three good reasons not to vote Conservative if you are young
Topic Started: Feb 1 2015, 01:13 PM (980 Views)
Tigger
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Let's face it the Tories could not give a toss about young people, Oswanker has virtually doubled the nations debt in a desperate attempt to buy the election and those starting out on their working lives will have to foot the bill.

1. Education, earn or learn is a dilemma facing millions, a huge debt is yours for bettering yourself unlike previous generations, and under Gove education has gone backwards with even private schools now in decline, the reason? A lack of teachers put off by long hours, poor pay and rock bottom morale, the DoE own figures show that in the year up to November 2013 over 50,000 teachers left the profession, that is one in 12 the new intake did not even dent this figure, unsurprisingly more up to date figures are unavailable. Conclusion the Tories could not give a toss.

2. Housing policy, if you are young it is your duty to pay for the retirement of elderly boomers and parasitic bankers with high rents or vast mortgages secured on rabbit hutches, they are using your money to prop up house prices, pay your landlords rent and subsidize lenders with free money and dubious schemes designed to pile the risk on you. Conclusion, you are fucked because you are regarded as a debt slave.

3. And potentially the most odious with the whiff of gerrymandering about it, if you are a student you can no longer register to vote at your college or your halls of residence, instead you must have a permanent address or go through a lengthy process of form filling. Conclusion, they do not want you to vote because you wont vote for them.

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Good points but who can they vote for? NL Tory lite? Swivel eyed rapid UKIP tories? Tree hugger Green party remote from reality? Or even worse..liberal democrats?
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Three reasons not to vote Tory:-

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Feb 1 2015, 01:33 PM
Three reasons not to vote Tory:-

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Well the first picture is a complete lie
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Feb 1 2015, 01:45 PM
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Feb 1 2015, 01:33 PM
Three reasons not to vote Tory:-

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Well the first picture is a complete lie


The middle one is genuine though
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Feb 1 2015, 01:45 PM
Well the first picture is a complete lie
That picture is very accurate assessment, of the complete total and utter disaster he has caused, the only silver lining is he has singlehandedly lost the general election for the Tories.
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Feb 1 2015, 01:49 PM
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Feb 1 2015, 01:45 PM
Well the first picture is a complete lie
That picture is very accurate assessment, of the complete total and utter disaster he has caused, the only silver lining is he has singlehandedly lost the general election for the Tories.
The only thing he's doing wrong,is he's not tougher on the work shy you seem to love
If he's lost the election on his own,why is there two other people in your picture
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Feb 1 2015, 01:47 PM
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Feb 1 2015, 01:33 PM
Three reasons not to vote Tory:-

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Well the first picture is a complete lie


The middle one is genuine though
So you will agree the it her two are lies then
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gansao
Feb 1 2015, 01:18 PM
Good points but who can they vote for? NL Tory lite? Swivel eyed rapid UKIP tories? Tree hugger Green party remote from reality? Or even worse..liberal democrats?
None of them are worth a toss in my opinion, I'm rather naively pinning my hopes on political chaos and a complete reform of the electoral system for the sake of the long term viability of the UK.
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Feb 1 2015, 01:54 PM
The only thing he's doing wrong,is he's not tougher on the work shy you seem to love
The main thing you are doing wrong is to believe the propaganda about benefit claimants, that in reality has nothing to back it up:-

http://csp.sagepub.com/content/early/2013/09/26/0261018313501825

In search of ‘intergenerational cultures of worklessness’: Hunting the Yeti and shooting zombies

Robert Macdonald Teesside University, UK

Tracy Shildrick University of Leeds, UK

Andy Furlong Glasgow University, UK

Robert MacDonald, Social Futures Institute, School of Social Sciences and Law, Teesside University, Middlesbrough TS1 3BA, England. Email: r.macdonald@tees.ac.uk


Abstract

The idea of ‘intergenerational cultures of worklessness’ has become influential in UK politics and policy, and been used to explain contemporary worklessness and to justify welfare reforms. Workless parents are said to pass on to their children attitudes and behaviours which inculcate ‘welfare dependency’. In its strongest version, politicians and welfare practitioners talk confidently of ‘three generations of families where no-one has ever worked’; even though no study, bar this one, has investigated whether such families actually exist.
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Feb 1 2015, 01:59 PM
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Feb 1 2015, 01:54 PM
The only thing he's doing wrong,is he's not tougher on the work shy you seem to love
The main thing you are doing wrong is to believe the propaganda about benefit claimants, that in reality has nothing to back it up:-

http://csp.sagepub.com/content/early/2013/09/26/0261018313501825

In search of ‘intergenerational cultures of worklessness’: Hunting the Yeti and shooting zombies

Robert Macdonald Teesside University, UK

Tracy Shildrick University of Leeds, UK

Andy Furlong Glasgow University, UK

Robert MacDonald, Social Futures Institute, School of Social Sciences and Law, Teesside University, Middlesbrough TS1 3BA, England. Email: r.macdonald@tees.ac.uk


Abstract

The idea of ‘intergenerational cultures of worklessness’ has become influential in UK politics and policy, and been used to explain contemporary worklessness and to justify welfare reforms. Workless parents are said to pass on to their children attitudes and behaviours which inculcate ‘welfare dependency’. In its strongest version, politicians and welfare practitioners talk confidently of ‘three generations of families where no-one has ever worked’; even though no study, bar this one, has investigated whether such families actually exist.
Never mind your infamous links,,I know people my age and older,who have never worked,for no other reason than there bone idle,I bet you do but won't admit it
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Feb 1 2015, 01:45 PM
Well the first picture is a complete lie

I agree; for someone to have pride they must first have integrity.

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Feb 1 2015, 01:13 PM
Let's face it the Tories could not give a toss about young people, . . .
Seems the young disagree with about 1 in 3 saying they'll vote Tory.

http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploads/document/gjshgtgjrm/YG-Archive-Pol-Sunday-Times-results-300115.pdf

Surprising but that's the facts
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Feb 1 2015, 01:33 PM
Three reasons not to vote Tory:-

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Well the first picture is a complete lie


The middle one is genuine though
So you will agree the it her two are lies then


Not really. I dont the top two are supposed to be genuine, they are just making a point.
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Feb 1 2015, 02:08 PM
Tigger
Feb 1 2015, 01:13 PM
Let's face it the Tories could not give a toss about young people, . . .
Seems the young disagree with about 1 in 3 saying they'll vote Tory.

http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploads/document/gjshgtgjrm/YG-Archive-Pol-Sunday-Times-results-300115.pdf

Surprising but that's the facts

I anticipate a huge disappointment for you come May 8th.

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Feb 1 2015, 02:10 PM
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The middle one is genuine though
So you will agree the it her two are lies then


Not really. I dont the top two are supposed to be genuine, they are just making a point.
So if there not genuine they must be a lie then
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Feb 1 2015, 02:08 PM
Tigger
Feb 1 2015, 01:13 PM
Let's face it the Tories could not give a toss about young people, . . .
Seems the young disagree with about 1 in 3 saying they'll vote Tory.

http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploads/document/gjshgtgjrm/YG-Archive-Pol-Sunday-Times-results-300115.pdf

Surprising but that's the facts
I voted Conservative in the eighties because I was told Labour was going to get rid of our nuclear weapons!

I did not realise back then I was voting for the selfish me society we have today.
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Feb 1 2015, 02:13 PM
So if there not genuine they must be a lie then


Careful ........ the dictionary policeman are online, and actually on this thread.


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What has Ernie Wise got to do with this? :-\
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So you will agree the it her two are lies then


Not really. I dont the top two are supposed to be genuine, they are just making a point.
So if there not genuine they must be a lie then


Indeed. Just as every cartoon that makes a political point is a lie. Every analogy is a lie.Every satire is a lie.Every allegory is a lie.etc etc
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What to do??..Can anyone imagine Red Ed as the next prime minister...??
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Feb 1 2015, 02:21 PM
What to do??..Can anyone imagine Red Ed as the next prime minister...??
That would be such a laugh
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Feb 1 2015, 02:21 PM
What to do??..Can anyone imagine Red Ed as the next prime minister...??

Dont worry Nicola Sturgeon will most probably be there to hold his hand  !bgrin!

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What to do??..Can anyone imagine Red Ed as the next prime minister...??
That would be such a laugh
Don't you mean a laughing stock??
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I still think David is waiting in the wings..to take over from his idiot brother..
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What to do??..Can anyone imagine Red Ed as the next prime minister...??

Well he certainly would not be the dominant personality that we have become accustomed to over the years ......... but is that necessarily a bad thing?

I'm reminded that IDS was once thought PM material ......... Sir Alex Douglas Hume was PM, but mentioning that does negate the argument I put forward.



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Feb 1 2015, 02:13 PM
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Feb 1 2015, 02:08 PM
Tigger
Feb 1 2015, 01:13 PM
Let's face it the Tories could not give a toss about young people, . . .
Seems the young disagree with about 1 in 3 saying they'll vote Tory.

http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploads/document/gjshgtgjrm/YG-Archive-Pol-Sunday-Times-results-300115.pdf

Surprising but that's the facts

I anticipate a huge disappointment for you come May 8th.

Why?

You haven't forgotten yet again have you?
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What is it you think I've forgotten?

The exit polls come May will tell us far more about voter profiling than YouGov are able to discern. Overlooked in a lot of the debates is the number that do not vote.
I don't see any increase, the opposite, and I'll bet now that the Young are put off in huge numbers.
The 1 in 3 is another mislead to cover the actuality that Politics is unpopular.

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Feb 1 2015, 03:21 PM
What is it you think I've forgotten?

The exit polls come May will tell us far more about voter profiling than YouGov are able to discern. Overlooked in a lot of the debates is the number that do not vote.
I don't see any increase, the opposite, and I'll bet now that the Young are put off in huge numbers.
The 1 in 3 is another mislead to cover the actuality that Politics is unpopular.

Why do you think that I will be disappointed?
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There are many 'truths' in politics each as sincerely held by one and as equally rejected by another. Tigger, when he can be bothered to argue a point seriously, makes some very good points. However I think this post is designed just to stir it up on a slow Sunday afternoon. Any Tory with nothing better to do could no doubt come up with three reasons why the young should not vote Labour, three more for the middle aged and a further three for the elderly. And no, I'm not volunteering; I've got a plane to catch this evening!
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Feb 1 2015, 02:39 PM
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What to do??..Can anyone imagine Red Ed as the next prime minister...??
That would be such a laugh
Don't you mean a laughing stock??
No,Britain would be a laughing stock if he went abroad to represent the UK
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marybrown
Feb 1 2015, 02:21 PM
What to do??..Can anyone imagine Red Ed as the next prime minister...??
That would be such a laugh
Don't you mean a laughing stock??
No,Britain would be a laughing stock if he went abroad to represent the UK


Why?
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Feb 1 2015, 02:18 PM
What has Ernie Wise got to do with this? :-\
That is Lord Fraud, who self-confessedly knows nothing about benefits, (and it shows.)
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Don't you mean a laughing stock??
No,Britain would be a laughing stock if he went abroad to represent the UK


Why?
Because I wouldn't want him to run my bath,never mind my country,
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No,Britain would be a laughing stock if he went abroad to represent the UK


Why?
Because I wouldn't want him to run my bath,never mind my country,

But it not about you or your bath. Its about how( you think) he would appear as a laughing stock to people ( especially his foreign peers) abroad.
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Because I wouldn't want him to run my bath,never mind my country,
But you are happy for the current shower on power to shove the country ever further down the toilet.
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Because I wouldn't want him to run my bath,never mind my country,
But you are happy for the current shower on power to shove the country ever further down the toilet.

True. If you want to see a laughing stock the look at Mr Cameron
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Because I wouldn't want him to run my bath,never mind my country,
But you are happy for the current shower on power to shove the country ever further down the toilet.
In what way,is the government shoving the country down the toilet
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Because I wouldn't want him to run my bath,never mind my country,
But you are happy for the current shower on power to shove the country ever further down the toilet.

True. If you want to see a laughing stock the look at Mr Cameron
Enlighten us why you think that
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Feb 1 2015, 01:55 PM
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Feb 1 2015, 01:18 PM
Good points but who can they vote for? NL Tory lite? Swivel eyed rapid UKIP tories? Tree hugger Green party remote from reality? Or even worse..liberal democrats?
None of them are worth a toss in my opinion, I'm rather naively pinning my hopes on political chaos and a complete reform of the electoral system for the sake of the long term viability of the UK.
And how is reform of the electoral system going to rebalance the economy? It's like a big Rookery, shake the branches and they jump up flap around and then land on a different branch. PR or any other system of voting is not going to provide clear leadership objectives based on a Manifesto it will bring even more fudge. We need strategies for change and people willing to vote to take the medicine of change and they are unlikely to do that. Truth is that we get the Gov. we deserve.

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