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| Three good reasons not to vote Conservative if you are young | |
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| Topic Started: Feb 1 2015, 01:13 PM (983 Views) | |
| Tigger | Feb 1 2015, 01:13 PM Post #1 |
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Let's face it the Tories could not give a toss about young people, Oswanker has virtually doubled the nations debt in a desperate attempt to buy the election and those starting out on their working lives will have to foot the bill. 1. Education, earn or learn is a dilemma facing millions, a huge debt is yours for bettering yourself unlike previous generations, and under Gove education has gone backwards with even private schools now in decline, the reason? A lack of teachers put off by long hours, poor pay and rock bottom morale, the DoE own figures show that in the year up to November 2013 over 50,000 teachers left the profession, that is one in 12 the new intake did not even dent this figure, unsurprisingly more up to date figures are unavailable. Conclusion the Tories could not give a toss. 2. Housing policy, if you are young it is your duty to pay for the retirement of elderly boomers and parasitic bankers with high rents or vast mortgages secured on rabbit hutches, they are using your money to prop up house prices, pay your landlords rent and subsidize lenders with free money and dubious schemes designed to pile the risk on you. Conclusion, you are fucked because you are regarded as a debt slave. 3. And potentially the most odious with the whiff of gerrymandering about it, if you are a student you can no longer register to vote at your college or your halls of residence, instead you must have a permanent address or go through a lengthy process of form filling. Conclusion, they do not want you to vote because you wont vote for them. |
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| RJD | Feb 1 2015, 04:22 PM Post #41 |
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What a load of emotional bilge. In relative terms the UK is doing quite nicely. If you want to see what going down the Crapper looks like then go visit Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal and France. Mind you if you vote Millibande you are likely to get a Hollande approach so then you will get to experience it first hand. |
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| papasmurf | Feb 1 2015, 04:22 PM Post #42 |
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The problem is "the medicine" is being forced down the throats of those who least able to survive the "side effects.) |
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| jaguar | Feb 1 2015, 04:26 PM Post #43 |
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Knock Knock....Door opens. Hello my name is Ed Miliband and I am here to canvass on behalf of the Labour Party. Voter......Great and what can the Labour Party do for me and my family? Miliband....Err I don't know really, but we are good at opposing anything the coalition comes up with Voter.....So why do you oppose it and what would you suggest instead. Miliband.....Err I dunno, please don't confuse me. I can offer you tea and sympathy though. Voter....Thanks and goodbye. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 1 2015, 04:26 PM Post #44 |
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Enlighten us why you think mr Milliband would be a laughing stock without reference to your bath. Meanwhile Cameron is being ignored by the EU and ridiculed by your Nicola Sturgeon. He is making promises he cant keep regarding immigration and being patronised by Merkel. Whether you agree with this or not at least try to back up your claim about Milliband. |
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| HIGHWAY | Feb 1 2015, 04:26 PM Post #45 |
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Here it comes,any minute now you will start talking about the deaths of people in the hundreds of thousands |
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| Alberich | Feb 1 2015, 04:26 PM Post #46 |
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Three good reasons not to vote Labour. 1) they will wreck the economy. 2) they will wreck the economy 3) they will wreck the economy. |
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| RJD | Feb 1 2015, 04:27 PM Post #47 |
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Not interested in feeding your conspiracy theories, it is a complete waste of my time. However, it would be nice if you refrained from polluting every thread with your nonsense. |
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| papasmurf | Feb 1 2015, 04:29 PM Post #48 |
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There is no "theory" involved RJD, if you take money away from people who are already close to the breadline they will go over it. |
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| RJD | Feb 1 2015, 04:39 PM Post #49 |
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Go over what? Nobody is taking, they are giving. The recipients of benefits have no God given right to a specific benefit or amount of payment, that is for the State to decide. If they don't like the level of giving in the UK then they are free to try their luck elsewhere and let us know when they find a more generous State. The truth is and you know it and the recipients of benefits should be told that the UK, in relative terms, is an extremely generous State. You just want it to be more generous with other peoples money, but best get it into your head they have no more entitlements than that defined by Law and they, those receiving Welfare Benefits, are net receivers of our charity towards them. The concept of "taking away" is perverse, some may be given less, but a lot more are getting more. |
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| Tigger | Feb 1 2015, 04:44 PM Post #50 |
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Most of us do indeed get the government we deserve and that is the problem, and you don't need me to tell you that there is considerable resentment and apathy with the state of British politics, except perhaps where the Scots are concerned because real change has happened there. Westminster is a joke as far as I am concerned, tribal, self important, detached and semi corrupt would be my assessment, and as the saying goes you have to break an egg to make an omelette, and the sooner the better in my opinion. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 1 2015, 04:46 PM Post #51 |
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Indeed, lets all march towards neoliberalism. At least it balances the books
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| papasmurf | Feb 1 2015, 04:48 PM Post #52 |
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RJD would you care to attempt to back that statement up please. |
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| Tigger | Feb 1 2015, 04:49 PM Post #53 |
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You know perfectly well this is not true, debt levels are soaring both governmental and personal and the "recovery" is built on a bed of sand with the foundations consisting of consumer spending with it's bedfellows consumption and debt and yet another asset bubble. We'll still be paying for this recklessness long after Europe has forgotten it's currency crisis. Why can't people like you learn to recognise this? |
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| Deleted User | Feb 1 2015, 04:56 PM Post #54 |
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One little clue to the shallowness of this government is to make it easy for people nearing pension age to cash in their pensions. In the name of choice ffs |
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| RJD | Feb 1 2015, 05:00 PM Post #55 |
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You claimed that all we needed to do was change the system of voting and counting and hay presto everything will be hunky-dory. Obvious bilge of the first order. Our main problem is the built in reluctance to take the hard medicine that change demands. The resistance to change is endemic and there are vocal minority groups protesting at every proposal no mater how fundamental or trivial. Everyone knows that the Welfare System in the UK needed reform. Labour started on that road, now look at the hullabaloo. Economists know that we must rebalance our economy away from debt fuelled consumption towards greater production, but just look how vocal the vested interests are, they resist at every turn. It is as if they will only accept change as long as such does not inconvenience them. We get the Governments we deserve. Politicians are hemmed in by the need to appease vocal minority groups and we no longer have Political Parties or even Politicians with convictions they are prepared to sell to Joe Public. It's classic "kick and drift". If anyone tells you that Cameron, Osborne, Milliband and Balls are men of conviction then you would have to snigger. Chancers the lot of them, therefore, vote for those likely to do the least harm to the economy and unfortunately for you that is currently the Tories. Jobs are the very best social salve by a very long chalk, even poorly paid ones. |
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| Affa | Feb 1 2015, 05:03 PM Post #56 |
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I asked, 'does it matter if Ed were PM, and that he lacks the charismatic persona that it appears most here believe is an essential quality in our leader'? Cameron isn't very popular in Europe, is in conflict with virtually all of the EU membership - Ed would be welcomed as one of them. At home is a different story ....... and again it matters not who Labour have as a leader, not even if having the oratory skills of Churchill - he'd still be pilloried in the popular press etc. What really matters is what they do. and that takes in a lot more stuff than being good at Punch & Judy exchanges at PMQ. |
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| marybrown | Feb 1 2015, 05:06 PM Post #57 |
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My 3 good reasons not to vote Tory would be.. They despise the working class!! They despise the working class!! AND.. They despise the working class... |
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| Tigger | Feb 1 2015, 05:09 PM Post #58 |
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Yes all rather depressing. The spivs in the City will already be working on plans to con gullible pensioners out of their nest eggs, it's not as if they've ever fucked around with peoples pensions in the past is it? |
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| marybrown | Feb 1 2015, 05:14 PM Post #59 |
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I think we saw where our balls hung when Prince Charles and David Cameron went kow towing at the funeral of ''King Abdullah'' of Saudi died..flags were put at ''half mast''. Is this real?..women stoned to death..homosexuals hung..??? Sunday days out...beheadings?? Who are the hypocrites? |
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| Deleted User | Feb 1 2015, 05:18 PM Post #60 |
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Its cynical to the point of immoral imo. Perhaps enough people will spend some or all of their pension pots . Just enough to give the economy a lift in the short term but cost it more in the long term ...and as you say, some pensioners will put their money into spiv schemes. It makes my fecking blood boil . Maybe in a few years the Tories will be pushing for legalally euthanising the pensioners they duped. |
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| RJD | Feb 1 2015, 05:20 PM Post #61 |
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Could you point your finger at that group you call "the Working Class" as John Prescott told us we are all middle class now and the academics said that your definition no longer is representative. Maybe you could rephrase it in terms of "those reluctant to work". |
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| Tigger | Feb 1 2015, 05:21 PM Post #62 |
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I made no such claim so please do not put words in my mouth, and serving up the population to be exploited by multi nationals is not the answer either they need to play by the rules of society as well, otherwise their customer base will slowly vanish. And endless cuts are a red herring, you may have noticed there has been a lot of cutting and indeed some lightweight job creation and yet tax receipts are down! So the conclusion must be austerity is not working unless you of course count one person digging a hole and another filling it in as worthwhile, by your logic we could carry on cutting, sit tight do nothing and the economy will just fix itself by magic! I'm afraid it doesn't work like that, again reform at the top is needed, the bottom end of the economy and society just reflects the abject failures at the top. Edited by Tigger, Feb 1 2015, 05:21 PM.
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| Tigger | Feb 1 2015, 05:27 PM Post #63 |
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I have a six bedroom house, a nice car and few real worries about money and I hold down a job to keep it this way, I could not afford to drop everything and take a year out to travel the World so I could "discover" myself and then come back and pick up where I left off. I am working class because I need to work. Edited by Tigger, Feb 1 2015, 05:27 PM.
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| marybrown | Feb 1 2015, 05:28 PM Post #64 |
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Would that be the ''middle class'' John Prescott..who punched someone in the street..betrayed his wife?? |
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| Affa | Feb 1 2015, 05:29 PM Post #65 |
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Yes; the people at the top do have all the influence and can take all the credit, or all the blame for how things are. There are no exceptions, even our so called poor education and skills level can be attributed to government and their guiding lights. The only power for change that the working class have is from the Molotov cocktail, and the unity of revolt. The ballot box has failed! |
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| Affa | Feb 1 2015, 05:31 PM Post #66 |
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Wonderful definition. Edited by Affa, Feb 1 2015, 05:32 PM.
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| Deleted User | Feb 1 2015, 05:33 PM Post #67 |
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John Prescott was a tool. Unless you want to include everyone who works as middle class you must accept that there are distinct groups of working people. |
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| Affa | Feb 1 2015, 05:37 PM Post #68 |
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Anyone "who has to work" ....... there is a difference. Edited by Affa, Feb 1 2015, 05:37 PM.
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| papasmurf | Feb 1 2015, 05:39 PM Post #69 |
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The vultures are already circling. (What puzzles me is I went to a government website to search for a "lost" NHS pension my wife suddenly remembered, filled my wife's details on the website and with days was getting emails from various vulture companies about that pension when she as yet has not had the information herself.) |
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| marybrown | Feb 1 2015, 05:42 PM Post #70 |
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So..the difference must be..minimum wage workers.. And white collars?? |
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| Deleted User | Feb 1 2015, 05:42 PM Post #71 |
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I believe it. Absolutely disgusting. |
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| Steve K | Feb 1 2015, 05:46 PM Post #72 |
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I'm not sure the Tories despise the working class, they just really do not care about them and even less so the working age unemployed. Unfortunately Labour may profess to care about those groups but not enough to actually act to help them if that would mean compromising on dogma. All a bit depressing, I really hope neither gets a majority. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 1 2015, 06:05 PM Post #73 |
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I'm pretty sure they want the working class to despise each other though. Labour seems to want the working class to believe that they are hapless victims who need to be led by intellectuals who formed their worldview in the college bar . |
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| marybrown | Feb 1 2015, 06:09 PM Post #74 |
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The ''working class'' are fodder for the Tories..who do their basic tasks..like worker ants..we'll take your tax and use it to bolster up the rich... Whilst we take away..your benefits..your jobs..and then we will despise you as a dole scrounger!! |
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| Deleted User | Feb 1 2015, 06:18 PM Post #75 |
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Sums it up nicely |
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| Nonsense | Feb 1 2015, 06:24 PM Post #76 |
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What really 'amuses' me, is the fact that, the two main parties, whenever in power, accumulate distaste from the public(rarely, from their backbenchers)about policies that they have implemented or have been totally negligent about. These policies & there effects are then, often with media connivance, buried beneath other trivial issues that arise during election campaigns, as if they do not matter, or even exist. It's clear that many people this time, will also add to those who never voted last time. This is, in part, due to the media feeding into the fears of political parties about being 'punished' by the electorate, when, in fact, the electorate are completely turned off, by politicians, their parties & the media clowns that depend on them. Additionally of course, the 'alternatives' are non-existent, as they are totally unrealistic, or pandering for the voters attentions that would otherwise be attracted to these 'alternative' traditional look-alike parties with similar policies. It's also amusing to see Ed MILLIBAND trying to convince electors(somewhat disingenuously),that voting 'Labour', would be like voting 'Tory', I'm sorry Ed, you are chock-full of B$.
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| Tigger | Feb 1 2015, 06:25 PM Post #77 |
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One of the hallmarks of Tory governments of the last thirty years is they have not been afraid to impose unpopular and punitive rules and laws on the less well off even when it could be argued it was needed, unfortunately the problems now stem from the top end of society and the Tories generally act like frightened puppies and roll over and piss in the air when confronted by corporate and financial abuse of the system. |
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| marybrown | Feb 1 2015, 06:32 PM Post #78 |
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Yes..that is why we question them as to why they are beating working class people into the ground.. We have to pay tax..it is taken out of our wages..we can't argue.. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 1 2015, 06:45 PM Post #79 |
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Yeah. Buy the failed institutions with taxpayers money. Sell 'em back to your chums cheap. Cut benefits. |
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| papasmurf | Feb 1 2015, 06:47 PM Post #80 |
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The two decade long Tory propaganda campaign has set the working poor against the non working poor, and until both of them realise who the real enemy is, not much will change. Although there are glimmers of hope 42% of the electorate now think the Tories are the nasty party. (YouGov) |
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