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Three good reasons not to vote Conservative if you are young
Topic Started: Feb 1 2015, 01:13 PM (981 Views)
Tigger
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Let's face it the Tories could not give a toss about young people, Oswanker has virtually doubled the nations debt in a desperate attempt to buy the election and those starting out on their working lives will have to foot the bill.

1. Education, earn or learn is a dilemma facing millions, a huge debt is yours for bettering yourself unlike previous generations, and under Gove education has gone backwards with even private schools now in decline, the reason? A lack of teachers put off by long hours, poor pay and rock bottom morale, the DoE own figures show that in the year up to November 2013 over 50,000 teachers left the profession, that is one in 12 the new intake did not even dent this figure, unsurprisingly more up to date figures are unavailable. Conclusion the Tories could not give a toss.

2. Housing policy, if you are young it is your duty to pay for the retirement of elderly boomers and parasitic bankers with high rents or vast mortgages secured on rabbit hutches, they are using your money to prop up house prices, pay your landlords rent and subsidize lenders with free money and dubious schemes designed to pile the risk on you. Conclusion, you are fucked because you are regarded as a debt slave.

3. And potentially the most odious with the whiff of gerrymandering about it, if you are a student you can no longer register to vote at your college or your halls of residence, instead you must have a permanent address or go through a lengthy process of form filling. Conclusion, they do not want you to vote because you wont vote for them.

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papasmurf
Feb 1 2015, 06:47 PM
gansao
Feb 1 2015, 06:05 PM


I'm pretty sure they want the working class to despise each other though.
Labour seems to want the working class to believe that they are hapless victims who need to be led by intellectuals who formed their worldview in the college bar .
The two decade long Tory propaganda campaign has set the working poor against the non working poor, and until both of them realise who the real enemy is, not much will change. Although there are glimmers of hope 42% of the electorate now think the Tories are the nasty party. (YouGov)


Problem is that the working class are not united or organised. They have real concerns that are not addressed. Labour is pathetic and UKIP makes noises and pretends to champion them but is like the fox in the chicken licken story. Working class people mistrust socialist ideas. The Tory propaganda was very clever, far reaching and successful.
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papasmurf
Feb 1 2015, 06:47 PM
gansao
Feb 1 2015, 06:05 PM


I'm pretty sure they want the working class to despise each other though.
Labour seems to want the working class to believe that they are hapless victims who need to be led by intellectuals who formed their worldview in the college bar .
The two decade long Tory propaganda campaign has set the working poor against the non working poor, and until both of them realise who the real enemy is, not much will change. Although there are glimmers of hope 42% of the electorate now think the Tories are the nasty party. (YouGov)
Yes.The Tories are a nasty party..what is the point..Labour..led by a person who looks like he has special needs..Liberal..Bloody hopeless..UKIP..waiting for the BNP vote..
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gansao
Feb 1 2015, 06:53 PM
The Tory propaganda was very clever, far reaching and successful.
Ably assisted by press barons, and that really is something that needs addressing, there can be no free press until it is.
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RJD
Feb 1 2015, 04:39 PM
papasmurf
Feb 1 2015, 04:29 PM
RJD
Feb 1 2015, 04:27 PM
Not interested in feeding your conspiracy theories, it is a complete waste of my time. However, it would be nice if you refrained from polluting every thread with your nonsense.
There is no "theory" involved RJD, if you take money away from people who are already close to the breadline they will go over it.
Go over what?
Nobody is taking, they are giving. The recipients of benefits have no God given right to a specific benefit or amount of payment, that is for the State to decide. If they don't like the level of giving in the UK then they are free to try their luck elsewhere and let us know when they find a more generous State. The truth is and you know it and the recipients of benefits should be told that the UK, in relative terms, is an extremely generous State. You just want it to be more generous with other peoples money, but best get it into your head they have no more entitlements than that defined by Law and they, those receiving Welfare Benefits, are net receivers of our charity towards them. The concept of "taking away" is perverse, some may be given less, but a lot more are getting more.




I found this programme regarding statistics as produced by those that wish to portray a certain picture most interesting.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b050c4sj#auto

It certainly makes one smile when one hears what is supposed to be true but turns out to be the opposite.
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papasmurf
Feb 1 2015, 06:47 PM
gansao
Feb 1 2015, 06:05 PM


I'm pretty sure they want the working class to despise each other though.
Labour seems to want the working class to believe that they are hapless victims who need to be led by intellectuals who formed their worldview in the college bar .
The two decade long Tory propaganda campaign has set the working poor against the non working poor, and until both of them realise who the real enemy is, not much will change. Although there are glimmers of hope 42% of the electorate now think the Tories are the nasty party. (YouGov)
Totally agree PS, they are the nastiest, most horrid and right wing Tory Party we have had for many a year. I hope that one day soon these fascists get their comeuppance.
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Feb 1 2015, 08:48 PM
I found this programme regarding statistics as produced by those that wish to portray a certain picture most interesting.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b050c4sj#auto

It certainly makes one smile when one hears what is supposed to be true but turns out to be the opposite.
There is a big difference between data and statistics.
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RJD
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Tigger
Feb 1 2015, 05:27 PM
RJD
Feb 1 2015, 05:20 PM
marybrown
Feb 1 2015, 05:06 PM
My 3 good reasons not to vote Tory would be..

They despise the working class!!

They despise the working class!!

AND..

They despise the working class...
Could you point your finger at that group you call "the Working Class" as John Prescott told us we are all middle class now and the academics said that your definition no longer is representative. Maybe you could rephrase it in terms of "those reluctant to work".

I have a six bedroom house, a nice car and few real worries about money and I hold down a job to keep it this way, I could not afford to drop everything and take a year out to travel the World so I could "discover" myself and then come back and pick up where I left off.

I am working class because I need to work.
Using your metric then all who cannot live from savings and therefore must find paid work are therefore "working class". Novel, but not a definition that serious commentators or social scientists would find of any use.

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Lewis
Feb 2 2015, 08:03 AM

Totally agree PS, they are the nastiest, most horrid and right wing Tory Party we have had for many a year. I hope that one day soon these fascists get their comeuppance.

Heads on a pole springs to mind.
It would sure enough prevent the bar stewards from trying it again.



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RJD
Feb 2 2015, 04:32 PM
Tigger
Feb 1 2015, 05:27 PM
RJD
Feb 1 2015, 05:20 PM
marybrown
Feb 1 2015, 05:06 PM
My 3 good reasons not to vote Tory would be..

They despise the working class!!

They despise the working class!!

AND..

They despise the working class...
Could you point your finger at that group you call "the Working Class" as John Prescott told us we are all middle class now and the academics said that your definition no longer is representative. Maybe you could rephrase it in terms of "those reluctant to work".

I have a six bedroom house, a nice car and few real worries about money and I hold down a job to keep it this way, I could not afford to drop everything and take a year out to travel the World so I could "discover" myself and then come back and pick up where I left off.

I am working class because I need to work.
Using your metric then all who cannot live from savings and therefore must find paid work are therefore "working class". Novel, but not a definition that serious commentators or social scientists would find of any use.

Balderbollocks!

I look like a working class person, I sound like a working class person, the only time I wear a suit and tie is if someone is getting married or has died, I hate golf, I despise pomposity and pretence and you would not catch me trying to pretend I was posh or middle class, unfortunately if you are working class that is supposed to mean you are lazy, very thick and completely lack ambition, so millions of people with identical backgrounds to me try and pretend they are middle class.

Not me mush!

File under beat up the missus do the pools and respect the royal family (don't buy plates or plaques with the royals on they ain't an investment and they will still be worth fack all in thirty years)
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The working class can kiss my arse.
I've got the foreman's job at last.
Is supposed to be a joke at working boys who cross the great divide and become management.
Working class is obvious to working class people.
To snobs and social climbers, not so much.
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Emergency Lumberjack needed for the mahoosive chip on Tigger's shoulder.

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Steve K
Feb 2 2015, 10:34 PM
Emergency Lumberjack needed for the mahoosive chip on Tigger's shoulder.

No need to wipe your feet when you enter the forum, no need to curtsey either. ;-)
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Proverbs 18:12

Whoever is slack in his work
is a brother to him who destroys.
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