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According to the DWP
Topic Started: Feb 4 2015, 08:34 AM (523 Views)
RJD
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According to the work and pensions department, there are now 700,000 fewer people in workless households as a result of the Coalition’s reforms.
There are also 270,000 fewer people living in social housing who are without work, according to the figures.
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Seems we now have a Welfare State growing at a rate slower than anytime since 1948 after the great binge when Labour took it from £127b in 1997 to £207b, not quite a doubling.
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Rich
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Tytoalba
Feb 4 2015, 11:41 PM
Steve K
Feb 4 2015, 09:03 PM
Affa
Feb 4 2015, 07:55 PM
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Retired gardener takes his own life after change in benefits system, inquest hears


http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/feb/03/retired-gardener-benefits-malcolm-burge-newham-council-london-government-welfare

Now the heartless right wingers on here will try to say that the man was mentally ill, that the council cannot be blamed ...... when Wall St bankers were jumping out of sky scraper windows it was understood that they did so because of their sudden financial insecurity .......... they were broken men.
Pensioner Malcom Burge was a broken man, the council broke him.

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Letters presented to the inquest revealed Mr Burge had tried repeatedly to seek help and telephone the council but had been bounced around an electronic switchboard.

Yes that shows you just what can happen when you have a Labour run council

Do you mean Redcar and Cleveland or Rotherham?
Rotherham borough council.
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johnofgwent
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krugerman
Feb 4 2015, 01:25 PM
Next on the agenda - taking away all help with rent for all young people either on low pay or unemployed, more poor people forced into poverty, that s all I see this government doing.

No that will NEVER happen because far too many of their party donors are beneficiaries of that particular "upwards redistribution of wealth from the mortgage paying middle income earners to the wealthy multi-property owning landlords whose income has been protected for decades through housing benefit while those beneath them struggle
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Tytoalba
Feb 4 2015, 01:45 PM
krugerman
Feb 4 2015, 01:25 PM
Tytoalba
Feb 4 2015, 12:32 PM
krugerman
Feb 4 2015, 10:35 AM
The report ( in The Telegraph ) is full of deceptive information, for example when stating the word "welfare", does this mean only "out of work payments", or does it also mean working benefits ?, because as we all know there are different meanings.

Would the Conservative Party be proud if they reduced the Pensioners Winter Fuel Payments ?, are they proud of actually reducing Family Allowance to families on low pay ?, these are of course NOT "out of work benefits".

Are the Conservatives proud of reducing Job Seekers Allowance to unemployed people ?, and is the reason for today s proud and loud claims in The Telegraph a suggestion that most people claiming various welfare payments are not deserving, scroungers, shirkers. ?

The problem with The Nasty Party, is that it s often not what they say, its what they dont say, and they consistently leave the door to insinuation wide open, all part of dividing the workiing and middle class voters.

When did you ever hear a Tory say that most people on benefits are not scroungers ?

Ill say it Papa. Most people on benefits are not scroungers, but we cannot deny that some are., and could do more for themselves.
Now you can never say that again. My sons a conservative party county councillor and a town councillor and he would deny it without reservation, and with sympathy and with a great deal of concern for those in need of it, like his mother, who has a severely debilitating disease.

Wild broad sweeping statements like yours benefits nobody
Its part of political rhetoric I accept, and we all understand that, some times with amusement, but lets keep it in perspective.
As for winter fuel payments, I would suggest that most pensioner are not in fuel poverty and could manage without it, as they always did when it was not given.
Whom does it benefit when cutting the amount of Job Seekers Allowance paid to unemployed people ?

Whom does it benefit when Family Allowance is cut to people on low incomes ?

Whom does it benefit when a middle aged couple who s son or daughter has left home, suddenly find themselves worse off because they are penalized for having a spare room, and please bear in mind that many such people are stuck, unable to find a 1 bed home because there is none in many areas.?

The problem with your Conservative Party is that they are always hitting the least well off in society, always seem to be taking from the poorest and the most vulnerable, whilst at the same time they give huge tax cuts to the wealthiest in society.

Next on the agenda - taking away all help with rent for all young people either on low pay or unemployed, more poor people forced into poverty, that s all I see this government doing.

The beneficiaries of the cuts are the taxpayers, for it is they who pay for all benefits.

Is there anyone who thinks that there should be no cuts across the board, and the national debt should climb out of control?
Do they want another Greece or Spain, where everyone is suffering including the poor?>
The cut I want to see is the one in the relelentless torrent of incomers welcomed to this country putting ever increasing pressure on our housing stock and prices. I want to see the tory supporting shitebag who evicted all his "social" tenants to make way for cash paying immigrants suddenly find his nice littgle earnwer dries up, putting him into bankruptcy and his housing stock auctoned off to the highest bidder in a price crashing market.

As I have oft said, when I got married nobody in our street paid any rax the thresholds were too hiogh but nobosy got housing benefit either because it did not exist, what did exist were rigid rent controls stopping landlord profiteering

Somewhere along the way someone buggered that system up.


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Steve K
Feb 4 2015, 10:36 PM
But the whole point is the case you submitted shows how Labour got it so so wrong.

There were no party politics in what I posted, and I'm disappointed you feel there should be.
The Labour council performed badly, and have held their hands up, took the blame, and apologised.
Give them credit for that rarity at least.

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Steve K
Feb 4 2015, 11:43 PM
No I clearly meant Newham's Labour run Council who totally effed up Burge's case that Affa raised
They are not very good in office, are they ? Bogged down by Political correctness and in fighting and holding on to power.
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Tytoalba
Feb 5 2015, 10:30 AM
Steve K
Feb 4 2015, 11:43 PM
No I clearly meant Newham's Labour run Council who totally effed up Burge's case that Affa raised
They are not very good in office, are they ? Bogged down by Political correctness and in fighting and holding on to power.

......... and spending cuts.

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Affa
Feb 5 2015, 10:23 AM
Steve K
Feb 4 2015, 10:36 PM
But the whole point is the case you submitted shows how Labour got it so so wrong.

There were no party politics in what I posted, and I'm disappointed you feel there should be.
The Labour council performed badly, and have held their hands up, took the blame, and apologised.
Give them credit for that rarity at least.

So you didn't even remotely make it political by posting that right wingers would defend the council did you

Unluckily for you the record shows that you did
Affa
Feb 4 2015, 07:55 PM
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Retired gardener takes his own life after change in benefits system, inquest hears


http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/feb/03/retired-gardener-benefits-malcolm-burge-newham-council-london-government-welfare

Now the heartless right wingers on here will try to say that the man was mentally ill, that the council cannot be blamed . . .

Bet you're even more disappointed now
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Steve K
Feb 5 2015, 12:28 PM
Affa
Feb 5 2015, 10:23 AM
Steve K
Feb 4 2015, 10:36 PM
But the whole point is the case you submitted shows how Labour got it so so wrong.

There were no party politics in what I posted, and I'm disappointed you feel there should be.
The Labour council performed badly, and have held their hands up, took the blame, and apologised.
Give them credit for that rarity at least.

So you didn't even remotely make it political by posting that right wingers would defend the council did you

Unluckily for you the record shows that you did
Affa
Feb 4 2015, 07:55 PM
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Retired gardener takes his own life after change in benefits system, inquest hears


http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/feb/03/retired-gardener-benefits-malcolm-burge-newham-council-london-government-welfare

Now the heartless right wingers on here will try to say that the man was mentally ill, that the council cannot be blamed . . .

Bet you're even more disappointed now

But I was correct .......... the form guide told me it would be so.

As for your part, it too can be discerned that how you react will be dependent on the colour of the rosette.
Any time PS has mentioned lives being lost it is never accepted that the Government were in any part to blame .... unless that government is Labour.

We see it everywhere ......... Mrs T gloried in the Big Bang, but isn't blamed for what it created.
Her sell off of council housing was wonderful, but the consequences are awful, but not her doing.
Osborne brings in austerity which can never eradicate the deficit he tells it is imposed to do - and that failure is Labour's doing - never mind that that the grandkids he promised to save are instead increasingly put upon.
The Roman Circus of perceived reality that indoctrinates auto-responses in weak minds.

Edited by Affa, Feb 5 2015, 01:06 PM.
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Steve K
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I suggest you need to read others' posts better before you start giving them labels and making absolute statements like "it is never accepted" as you are and will often be wrong

Right or imho wrongly the coalition has delegated money and responsibility for welfare to councils and in the case you mentioned a Labour council got it horribly wrong
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Rotherham was much the same, turning a blind eye to those that put their trust in them.[/quote]Apparently, Leeds and Keighley are under the microscope also.[/quote]I can't believe size and scope of these paedophile rings operating across the North. Lets hope the police in South Yorkshire are making progress and more arrests will be made in Rotherham.
Now we have 25 charged in Calderdale.

http://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/news...kBoexo.twitter

How much reporting has there been of these Asian paedophile rings apart from newspapers like Times? It makes me wonder why there was this sudden obsession with the historic abuse stuff when it was known about for years. Is it deflection time again? Seriously though. a missing dossier from 30 years ago engenders endless news coverage but nothing about the arrest of all these folks and the fact that they were going through court system.
And before someone jumps on me, I am not saying that every Muslim man is a child abuser. That would be preposterous.

What is being said is that a specific section of that community has a predilection towards it. What is also being said is that the refusal of the public agencies to accept this, and their wish not to rock the multiculturalist boat led to them looking away whilst the abuse CONTINUED.
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Steve K
Feb 5 2015, 01:14 PM
I suggest you need to read others' posts better before you start giving them labels and making absolute statements like "it is never accepted" as you are and will often be wrong

Of course I can be and will sometimes be wrong ....... it's the fault of perceived reality that it must be prone to err. I posted what I perceive to be true ...... ergo, I do not lie!

An aside ........ the motivation for my listing the Thatcher/Osborne culpability statements was to lure you into proving me correct.
You escaped ........ others here would not have.
!clp!





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