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The silence deafens.
Topic Started: Feb 5 2015, 11:01 AM (903 Views)
Tytoalba
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I note, with horror, that the Muslim fundamentalist group has had their own wicker man , by enclosing a Jordanian pilot in a metal cage and burning him to death. I'm sure that we all felt a sense of pity for him , horror at what was done to him and with sympathy for his friends, but where are the protests and condemnations at what the perpetrators did to him on this board, or from our own Muslim clerics and leaders? Will I be condemned for raising the issue, or be accused of Islamaphobia for doing so ?
Why the silence, and where are the protest from the silent peace loving majority of Muslims in Britain that we hear so much about? Is this the thing to come if not addressed properly, and is Obama right in saying full integration and a national identity the key to a peaceful future.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2913798/Religion-dare-not-speak...

Was Enoch right http://www.riversofblood.uk/rivers_of_blood_enoch_powell.asp
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To be fair, the actions of ISIS over quite a long time now, have been roundly condemned by most, if not all of the worlds leaders. There is, as we speak, an ongoing war in Iraq and Syria against ISIS. True, it is an air war only, but it is contributing to the degrading of their combat efficiency, and is allowing the Peshmerga to make significant gains. The problem remains, however. If you want to remove ISIS ,it will require a ground invasion similar to that which overthrew Sadam, and I am afraid that there is no appetite in the west for anything approaching that.

But you do raise a valid criticism. If there has been any criticism of the ISIS actions from the British Muslim community, it has been remarkably low key.
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Tytoalba
Feb 5 2015, 11:01 AM
I note, with horror, that the Muslim fundamentalist group has had their own wicker man , by enclosing a Jordanian pilot in a metal cage and burning him to death. I'm sure that we all felt a sense of pity for him , horror at what was done to him and with sympathy for his friends, but where are the protests and condemnations at what the perpetrators did to him on this board, or from our own Muslim clerics and leaders? Will I be condemned for raising the issue, or be accused of Islamaphobia for doing so ?
Why the silence, and where are the protest from the silent peace loving majority of Muslims in Britain that we hear so much about? Is this the thing to come if not addressed properly, and is Obama right in saying full integration and a national identity the key to a peaceful future.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2913798/Religion-dare-not-speak...

Was Enoch right http://www.riversofblood.uk/rivers_of_blood_enoch_powell.asp
There is none so blind as them that will not see, none so deaf as them that will not hear.

Did you not even remotely check your own assertion before posting up an illegal hate inciting falsehood?

"Why the silence, and where are the protest from the silent peace loving majority of Muslims in Britain"
Because THERE WAS NO SILENCE
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4th February 2015 Press Statement

The Muslim Association of Britain condemns the killing of Jordanian Pilot and Japanese hostage
The Muslim Association of Britain expressed its outrage and anguish by the barbaric killing of a Jordanian pilot and Japanese hostage.
Indeed, the manner of these latest killings graphically depicted in promotional videos demonstrates the need for such material to removed forthwith from the Internet and not be given the fuel of publicity.
MAB completely condemns and denounces this savagery and would like to join the international community in expressing its deep and sincere condolences to the families and friends of the Jordanian and Japanese victims.
MAB wishes to express our condemnation of such an abhorrent criminal act committed against these innocent individuals. We also wish to reiterate, reemphasis and place clearly on record that the actions ISIL are not and have never been in any way sanctioned in Islam.


http://www.mabonline.net/muslim-association-of-britain-condemns-killings-of-jordanian-and-japanese-prisoners/

(MCB web site is down at the moment)
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Feb 5 2015, 12:18 PM
Tytoalba
Feb 5 2015, 11:01 AM
I note, with horror, that the Muslim fundamentalist group has had their own wicker man , by enclosing a Jordanian pilot in a metal cage and burning him to death. I'm sure that we all felt a sense of pity for him , horror at what was done to him and with sympathy for his friends, but where are the protests and condemnations at what the perpetrators did to him on this board, or from our own Muslim clerics and leaders? Will I be condemned for raising the issue, or be accused of Islamaphobia for doing so ?
Why the silence, and where are the protest from the silent peace loving majority of Muslims in Britain that we hear so much about? Is this the thing to come if not addressed properly, and is Obama right in saying full integration and a national identity the key to a peaceful future.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2913798/Religion-dare-not-speak...

Was Enoch right http://www.riversofblood.uk/rivers_of_blood_enoch_powell.asp
There is none so blind as them that will not see, none so deaf as them that will not hear.

Did you not even remotely check your own assertion before posting up an illegal hate inciting falsehood?

"Why the silence, and where are the protest from the silent peace loving majority of Muslims in Britain"
Because THERE WAS NO SILENCE
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4th February 2015 Press Statement

The Muslim Association of Britain condemns the killing of Jordanian Pilot and Japanese hostage
The Muslim Association of Britain expressed its outrage and anguish by the barbaric killing of a Jordanian pilot and Japanese hostage.
Indeed, the manner of these latest killings graphically depicted in promotional videos demonstrates the need for such material to removed forthwith from the Internet and not be given the fuel of publicity.
MAB completely condemns and denounces this savagery and would like to join the international community in expressing its deep and sincere condolences to the families and friends of the Jordanian and Japanese victims.
MAB wishes to express our condemnation of such an abhorrent criminal act committed against these innocent individuals. We also wish to reiterate, reemphasis and place clearly on record that the actions ISIL are not and have never been in any way sanctioned in Islam.


http://www.mabonline.net/muslim-association-of-britain-condemns-killings-of-jordanian-and-japanese-prisoners/

(MCB web site is down at the moment)
A website .and one tat is down at the moment?
But where are the voices in the community, the letters to newspapers or the protests through their political representative? Why do their young men go to war if the general consensus of opinion is against them .
As for being hateful, don't you think that actions themselves deserve to be hated by all reasonable people, including the Muslim' community'..BTW I do hate the word 'community', for it always suggests a separate entity from the whole.

There are three million or more in Britain, and they need to be more vocal in their condemnations, and loud enough for all to be convinced of their sincerity. I hate no one but I do hate barbarity, to burn people alive , behead innocent people live on TV, to make a political point and to put opponents in surrendering, fear and to gain funds to prosecute the war, and to fight a war for a religious belief with out consideration for the many millions who are suffering as a consequence is bound to have negative consequences, and generate fear and resistance

‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do{or say} nothing. It seems that your more concerned with addressing me, than addressing them. For their own preservation and acceptance and integration they need to do more. I take it you did read Powel's speech in full for so few people have , just the misrepresented headline.
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The Muslims could stop this in a moment by ex-communicating these people..

Why?..when I walk past a Mosque..do I have the feeling we are clasping a viper to our bosom??
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Feb 5 2015, 04:50 PM
The Muslims could stop this in a moment by ex-communicating these people..

Why?..when I walk past a Mosque..do I have the feeling we are clasping a viper to our bosom??
Because some of them may be "vipers" ?
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Tytoalba
Feb 5 2015, 04:15 PM
A website .and one tat is down at the moment? . . .
Actually a comprehensive disproof of your OP with your insistence that there was silence on the issue

You do understand what "silence" means don't you?


Edited by Steve K, Feb 5 2015, 05:06 PM.
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Feb 5 2015, 04:50 PM
The Muslims could stop this in a moment by ex-communicating these people..

Why?..when I walk past a Mosque..do I have the feeling we are clasping a viper to our bosom??
I do not think that religion is at the root of this, it is no more than an excuse,. I suspect that the only possible solution is to shoot to kill the lot of them and the sooner the better. I do not want to see good tax payers money wasted on keeping these nutters warm in our Prisons I want them dead, all of them.

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Feb 5 2015, 04:55 PM
marybrown
Feb 5 2015, 04:50 PM
The Muslims could stop this in a moment by ex-communicating these people..

Why?..when I walk past a Mosque..do I have the feeling we are clasping a viper to our bosom??
Because some of them may be "vipers" ?
Of course they are...They live by our laws..Gays are put to death..women are subjugated..and yes folks..THIS IS ENGLAND!!
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The opening post and statement from Tytoalba is very irresponsible, irrational and is extremely prejudiced.

For a start off, why mention Enoch Powell and the "Rivers of Blood" speech ?, what possible connection has this got to do with the barbaric murder of a Jordanian national by people pretending to be good or decent Muslims.

I get sick to death of people continually bringing up Enoch Powell s speech and asking "was he right" and sometimes its rephrased as "is his prediction coming true", well the blunt truth of it is that he was not right, and his prediction never came true, and that speech was made 47 years ago.

More to the point, why is it so absolutely necessary for Muslims in this country, or the Muslim Council of Britain to condemn a barbaric act committed over 2000 miles away in Syria by people who wouldn't know the true meaning of Islam if it hit them in the face. ?

The Muslim Council of Britain regularly and frequently issues press statements condemning act of terrorism, they did so recently after the murder of magazine journalists in Paris.

Quote: "The Muslim Council of Britain reiterated its condemnation of the barbarous murder of journalists at the French newspaper Charlie Hebdo. The attack has been condemned by Muslims in France, in Europe and around the world" (MCB)



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http://islamqa.info/en/151904

By burning the guy alive ISIS have by their own actions made the man a martyr in the full islamic sense.

Oh dear.
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Tytoalba
Feb 5 2015, 11:01 AM
I note, with horror, that the Muslim fundamentalist group has had their own wicker man , by enclosing a Jordanian pilot in a metal cage and burning him to death. I'm sure that we all felt a sense of pity for him , horror at what was done to him and with sympathy for his friends, but where are the protests and condemnations at what the perpetrators did to him on this board, or from our own Muslim clerics and leaders? Will I be condemned for raising the issue, or be accused of Islamaphobia for doing so ?
Why the silence, and where are the protest from the silent peace loving majority of Muslims in Britain that we hear so much about? Is this the thing to come if not addressed properly, and is Obama right in saying full integration and a national identity the key to a peaceful future.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2913798/Religion-dare-not-speak...

Was Enoch right http://www.riversofblood.uk/rivers_of_blood_enoch_powell.asp
I'm assuming that back in the day when the NF were attacking asian people the street and firebombing their homes and businesses you were out protesting against these violent extremists from your community?
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Feb 5 2015, 07:10 PM
Tytoalba
Feb 5 2015, 11:01 AM
I note, with horror, that the Muslim fundamentalist group has had their own wicker man , by enclosing a Jordanian pilot in a metal cage and burning him to death. I'm sure that we all felt a sense of pity for him , horror at what was done to him and with sympathy for his friends, but where are the protests and condemnations at what the perpetrators did to him on this board, or from our own Muslim clerics and leaders? Will I be condemned for raising the issue, or be accused of Islamaphobia for doing so ?
Why the silence, and where are the protest from the silent peace loving majority of Muslims in Britain that we hear so much about? Is this the thing to come if not addressed properly, and is Obama right in saying full integration and a national identity the key to a peaceful future.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2913798/Religion-dare-not-speak...

Was Enoch right http://www.riversofblood.uk/rivers_of_blood_enoch_powell.asp
I'm assuming that back in the day when the NF were attacking asian people the street and firebombing their homes and businesses you were out protesting against these violent extremists from your community?
I was on the opposite of the fence, helping to maintain law and order , and seeking to identify the perpetrators.
What about you?
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I wasn't born then, but it was your job to enforce law and order, outside of work did you attend protests, write any letters to newspapers etc?
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Feb 5 2015, 07:10 PM
Tytoalba
Feb 5 2015, 11:01 AM
I note, with horror, that the Muslim fundamentalist group has had their own wicker man , by enclosing a Jordanian pilot in a metal cage and burning him to death. I'm sure that we all felt a sense of pity for him , horror at what was done to him and with sympathy for his friends, but where are the protests and condemnations at what the perpetrators did to him on this board, or from our own Muslim clerics and leaders? Will I be condemned for raising the issue, or be accused of Islamaphobia for doing so ?
Why the silence, and where are the protest from the silent peace loving majority of Muslims in Britain that we hear so much about? Is this the thing to come if not addressed properly, and is Obama right in saying full integration and a national identity the key to a peaceful future.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2913798/Religion-dare-not-speak...

Was Enoch right http://www.riversofblood.uk/rivers_of_blood_enoch_powell.asp
I'm assuming that back in the day when the NF were attacking asian people the street and firebombing their homes and businesses you were out protesting against these violent extremists from your community?
Why are you introducing history instead of concerning yourself with what is happening today ?
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Feb 5 2015, 07:37 PM
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Feb 5 2015, 07:10 PM
Tytoalba
Feb 5 2015, 11:01 AM
I note, with horror, that the Muslim fundamentalist group has had their own wicker man , by enclosing a Jordanian pilot in a metal cage and burning him to death. I'm sure that we all felt a sense of pity for him , horror at what was done to him and with sympathy for his friends, but where are the protests and condemnations at what the perpetrators did to him on this board, or from our own Muslim clerics and leaders? Will I be condemned for raising the issue, or be accused of Islamaphobia for doing so ?
Why the silence, and where are the protest from the silent peace loving majority of Muslims in Britain that we hear so much about? Is this the thing to come if not addressed properly, and is Obama right in saying full integration and a national identity the key to a peaceful future.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2913798/Religion-dare-not-speak...

Was Enoch right http://www.riversofblood.uk/rivers_of_blood_enoch_powell.asp
I'm assuming that back in the day when the NF were attacking asian people the street and firebombing their homes and businesses you were out protesting against these violent extremists from your community?
Why are you introducing history instead of concerning yourself with what is happening today ?
Because it strikes me as hypocritical when people ask people to do something they aren't prepared to do themselves.

But seeing as you're all about the present I'm assuming you will challenge anyone who brings up past muslim atrocities in the same way you have challenged me?
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Feb 5 2015, 11:01 AM
I note, with horror, that the Muslim fundamentalist group has had their own wicker man , by enclosing a Jordanian pilot in a metal cage and burning him to death. I'm sure that we all felt a sense of pity for him , horror at what was done to him and with sympathy for his friends, but where are the protests and condemnations at what the perpetrators did to him on this board, or from our own Muslim clerics and leaders? Will I be condemned for raising the issue, or be accused of Islamaphobia for doing so ?
Why the silence, and where are the protest from the silent peace loving majority of Muslims in Britain that we hear so much about? Is this the thing to come if not addressed properly, and is Obama right in saying full integration and a national identity the key to a peaceful future.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2913798/Religion-dare-not-speak...

Was Enoch right http://www.riversofblood.uk/rivers_of_blood_enoch_powell.asp
An apology to all the good Muslims who do not speak out of fear for their lives and well being.
A Conservative MP who is a Muslim and has spo0ken out, has received a number of genuine death threats for speaking out in condemnation of ISIS and what they do.
We certainly seem to have enemies within., and ones that will not give in until they get what they want.
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There are extremists in the so called Christian majority in this country, people who would never condemn homophobic attacks, people who would never condemn attacks on Mosques, Muslim owned shops and businesses, people who stay silent when Palestinian women and children are indiscriminately killed by Israel.

Then there are those who stay silent when abortion clinics are firebombed, the Catholic who smiles when a Protestant family are persecuted, the Protestant who laughs in the face of a Catholic beaten up simply because they are Catholic.

The American Christian fanatics who still refuse to accept racial equality, or the ones who think that non-believers should die, or that "fags should burn in hell", or that women should know their place.

You see fanatics and extremists are not limited or restricted to the Muslim faith, they are in all faiths, infact Christianity along with Islam are two of the most bigoted organisations in the world, there are extremists amongst our Muslim population, there probably always will be, but they are not the majority.


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Tytoalba
Feb 5 2015, 11:01 AM
I note, with horror, that the Muslim fundamentalist group has had their own wicker man , by enclosing a Jordanian pilot in a metal cage and burning him to death. I'm sure that we all felt a sense of pity for him , horror at what was done to him and with sympathy for his friends, but where are the protests and condemnations at what the perpetrators did to him on this board, or from our own Muslim clerics and leaders? Will I be condemned for raising the issue, or be accused of Islamaphobia for doing so ?
Why the silence, and where are the protest from the silent peace loving majority of Muslims in Britain that we hear so much about? Is this the thing to come if not addressed properly, and is Obama right in saying full integration and a national identity the key to a peaceful future.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2913798/Religion-dare-not-speak...

Was Enoch right http://www.riversofblood.uk/rivers_of_blood_enoch_powell.asp
Yet more senile ramblings.

Here is another tip for you, if you want to see the wider picture try and find other sources of information other than a right wing piece of toilet paper like the Mail.

How hard can that be? :)
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Feb 6 2015, 11:08 AM
There are extremists in the so called Christian majority in this country, people who would never condemn homophobic attacks, people who would never condemn attacks on Mosques, Muslim owned shops and businesses, people who stay silent when Palestinian women and children are indiscriminately killed by Israel.

Then there are those who stay silent when abortion clinics are firebombed, the Catholic who smiles when a Protestant family are persecuted, the Protestant who laughs in the face of a Catholic beaten up simply because they are Catholic.

The American Christian fanatics who still refuse to accept racial equality, or the ones who think that non-believers should die, or that "fags should burn in hell", or that women should know their place.

You see fanatics and extremists are not limited or restricted to the Muslim faith, they are in all faiths, infact Christianity along with Islam are two of the most bigoted organisations in the world, there are extremists amongst our Muslim population, there probably always will be, but they are not the majority.


It appears I missed the bit where christian extremists in this country beheaded a couple of muslims and burnt a muslim alive.
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The Typical Daily Mail News Story

An asylum-seeking, DEGENERATE, liberal, feminist, Muslim, satanic heavy metal-worshipping paedophile has continued to terrorise a quiet community of law-abiding, white, middle-class protestants today. Perhaps one just like YOURS!

Asylum-seeker homosexuals SWIM up the River Thames to London and infiltrate Parliament to send house prices crashing

GUARDIAN-READING FEMINIST GYPSY ASYLUM-SEEKERS CONTINUE REIGN OF TERROR
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Feb 6 2015, 11:26 AM
The Typical Daily Mail News Story

An asylum-seeking, DEGENERATE, liberal, feminist, Muslim, satanic heavy metal-worshipping paedophile has continued to terrorise a quiet community of law-abiding, white, middle-class protestants today. Perhaps one just like YOURS!

Asylum-seeker homosexuals SWIM up the River Thames to London and infiltrate Parliament to send house prices crashing

GUARDIAN-READING FEMINIST GYPSY ASYLUM-SEEKERS CONTINUE REIGN OF TERROR
I think you should send them your CV right away.
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Feb 5 2015, 07:40 PM
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Feb 5 2015, 07:37 PM
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Feb 5 2015, 07:10 PM
Tytoalba
Feb 5 2015, 11:01 AM
I note, with horror, that the Muslim fundamentalist group has had their own wicker man , by enclosing a Jordanian pilot in a metal cage and burning him to death. I'm sure that we all felt a sense of pity for him , horror at what was done to him and with sympathy for his friends, but where are the protests and condemnations at what the perpetrators did to him on this board, or from our own Muslim clerics and leaders? Will I be condemned for raising the issue, or be accused of Islamaphobia for doing so ?
Why the silence, and where are the protest from the silent peace loving majority of Muslims in Britain that we hear so much about? Is this the thing to come if not addressed properly, and is Obama right in saying full integration and a national identity the key to a peaceful future.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2913798/Religion-dare-not-speak...

Was Enoch right http://www.riversofblood.uk/rivers_of_blood_enoch_powell.asp
I'm assuming that back in the day when the NF were attacking asian people the street and firebombing their homes and businesses you were out protesting against these violent extremists from your community?
Why are you introducing history instead of concerning yourself with what is happening today ?
Because it strikes me as hypocritical when people ask people to do something they aren't prepared to do themselves.

But seeing as you're all about the present I'm assuming you will challenge anyone who brings up past muslim atrocities in the same way you have challenged me?
It depends on what the subject and the thread is. Why not just address the point of the post ?

IMO to hit just about every debate with a point that attempts to undermine the actual debate taking place, is not conducive to good debate.
Edited by C-too, Feb 6 2015, 11:57 AM.
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Feb 6 2015, 11:53 AM
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Feb 5 2015, 07:40 PM
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Feb 5 2015, 07:37 PM
Happy Hornet
Feb 5 2015, 07:10 PM
Why are you introducing history instead of concerning yourself with what is happening today ?
Because it strikes me as hypocritical when people ask people to do something they aren't prepared to do themselves.

But seeing as you're all about the present I'm assuming you will challenge anyone who brings up past muslim atrocities in the same way you have challenged me?
It depends on what the subject and the thread is. Why not just address the point of the post ?

IMO to hit just about every debate with a point that attempts to undermine the actual debate taking place, is not conducive to good debate.
The OP specifically talks about people not doing enough to combat extremists in their community, which for me makes my comments perfectly relevant to the discussion.

If you don't like my posts, please feel free to ignore them.
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Feb 5 2015, 05:55 PM
They live by our laws..Gays are put to death..women are subjugated..and yes folks..THIS IS ENGLAND!!
What...in Britain?? Where?
Edited by pladecalvo, Feb 6 2015, 01:54 PM.
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Feb 6 2015, 11:25 AM
It appears I missed the bit where christian extremists in this country beheaded a couple of muslims and burnt a muslim alive.
Well there is this from Africa.

http://markhumphrys.com/christianity.killings.html#africa
Edited by pladecalvo, Feb 6 2015, 01:53 PM.
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ACH1967
Feb 6 2015, 11:25 AM
It appears I missed the bit where christian extremists in this country beheaded a couple of muslims and burnt a muslim alive.
Well there is this from Africa.

http://markhumphrys.com/christianity.killings.html#africa
I did say this country but your point is taken. Lots of terrible things are done in the name of religion and that doesn't mean that those who foll the religion are bad or evil. It is only those who do bad or evil things that are bad or evil. Really it isn't that difficult a distinction to make but clearly many of us struggled with it.
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We have to step back from this childish attitude of they commit more acts of atrocity than us, or we are better than you, you are worse than us, because at the end of the day both Islam and Christianity are religions, they are not race's of people, there is nothing which makes either a Christian or a Muslim genetically more likely to be a terrorist.

Therefore from a logical point of view, the answer as to why so many Muslims across the world are angry, has got to be politically motivated, or motivated by a perception of some form of injustice or discrimination, and one word immediately comes to mind - "Israel", here lies the root cause of angry Muslims, and I for one can certainly understand that anger.

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Feb 6 2015, 03:43 PM
I did say this country...
You did but the two beheadings and the burning were not in this country so I don't think it's fair to cite the two events that happened in the ME and then demand that we produce something similar - but only in the UK. Clearly, such things are less likely in the UK.

Edited by pladecalvo, Feb 6 2015, 04:10 PM.
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Feb 6 2015, 04:05 PM
We have to step back from this childish attitude of they commit more acts of atrocity than us, or we are better than you, you are worse than us, because at the end of the day both Islam and Christianity are religions, they are not race's of people, there is nothing which makes either a Christian or a Muslim genetically more likely to be a terrorist.

Therefore from a logical point of view, the answer as to why so many Muslims across the world are angry, has got to be politically motivated, or motivated by a perception of some form of injustice or discrimination, and one word immediately comes to mind - "Israel", here lies the root cause of angry Muslims, and I for one can certainly understand that anger.

/8/ well said imho
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Feb 6 2015, 04:05 PM
We have to step back from this childish attitude of they commit more acts of atrocity than us, or we are better than you, you are worse than us, because at the end of the day both Islam and Christianity are religions, they are not race's of people, there is nothing which makes either a Christian or a Muslim genetically more likely to be a terrorist.

Therefore from a logical point of view, the answer as to why so many Muslims across the world are angry, has got to be politically motivated, or motivated by a perception of some form of injustice or discrimination, and one word immediately comes to mind - "Israel", here lies the root cause of angry Muslims, and I for one can certainly understand that anger.

Current conflicts and wars: Source: http:/www.religioustolerance.org/curr_war.htm Some of the world’s current “hot spots” which have as their base a significant component of religious intolerance are listed below:

Country and Main religious groups involved

1. Afghanistan Extreme radical Fundamentalist Muslim terrorist groups & non-Muslim Osama bin Laden heads a terrorist group called Al Quada (The Source) whose headquarters were in Afghanistan.

2. Bosnia Serbian Orthodox Christians, Roman Catholic, Muslims

3. Cote d’Ivoire Muslims, Indigenous, Christians

4. Cyprus Christians & Muslims

5. East Timor Christians & Muslims

6. Indonesia, province of Ambon Christians & Muslims

7. Kashmir Hindus and Muslims

8. Kosovo Serbian Orthodox Christians, Muslims

9. Kurdistan Christians, Muslims Assaults on Christians (Protestant, Chaldean Catholic & Assyrian Orthodox). Bombing campaign underway.

10. Macedonia Macedonian Orthodox Christians & Muslims

11. Middle East Jews, Muslims, &Christians

12. Nigeria Christians, Animists, & Muslims

13. Pakistan Suni & Shi’ite Muslims

14. Philippines Christians & Muslims

15. Russia, Chechnya Russian Orthodox Christians, Muslims. The Russian army attacked the breakaway region. Muslims had allegedly blown up buildings in Moscow. Many atrocities have been alleged.

16. Serbia, province of Vojvodina Serbian Orthodox & Roman Catholics

17. Sri Lanka Buddhists & Hindus Tamils

Additional conflicts

19. Thailand: Pattani province: Buddists and Muslims 20. Bangladesh: Muslim-Hindu (Bengalis) and Buddists (Chakmas) 21. Tajikistan: intra-Islamic conflict.

How many of those involve Israel?
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Feb 6 2015, 04:05 PM
We have to step back from this childish attitude of they commit more acts of atrocity than us, or we are better than you, you are worse than us, because at the end of the day both Islam and Christianity are religions, they are not race's of people, there is nothing which makes either a Christian or a Muslim genetically more likely to be a terrorist.

Therefore from a logical point of view, the answer as to why so many Muslims across the world are angry, has got to be politically motivated, or motivated by a perception of some form of injustice or discrimination, and one word immediately comes to mind - "Israel", here lies the root cause of angry Muslims, and I for one can certainly understand that anger.


Go back to when Muslims first started 'hating' Jews, and describe why they turned so, why Jews deserve their hate?

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Feb 6 2015, 12:46 PM
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Feb 6 2015, 11:53 AM
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Feb 5 2015, 07:40 PM
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Feb 5 2015, 07:37 PM
Because it strikes me as hypocritical when people ask people to do something they aren't prepared to do themselves.

But seeing as you're all about the present I'm assuming you will challenge anyone who brings up past muslim atrocities in the same way you have challenged me?
It depends on what the subject and the thread is. Why not just address the point of the post ?

IMO to hit just about every debate with a point that attempts to undermine the actual debate taking place, is not conducive to good debate.
The OP specifically talks about people not doing enough to combat extremists in their community, which for me makes my comments perfectly relevant to the discussion.

If you don't like my posts, please feel free to ignore them.
I would probably ignore your posts because you follow the same path no matter what the debate, unfortunately I have been a victim of your one track approach. It promotes arguments that deny progressive debate.
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C-too
Feb 6 2015, 06:05 PM
Happy Hornet
Feb 6 2015, 12:46 PM
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Feb 6 2015, 11:53 AM
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Feb 5 2015, 07:40 PM
It depends on what the subject and the thread is. Why not just address the point of the post ?

IMO to hit just about every debate with a point that attempts to undermine the actual debate taking place, is not conducive to good debate.
The OP specifically talks about people not doing enough to combat extremists in their community, which for me makes my comments perfectly relevant to the discussion.

If you don't like my posts, please feel free to ignore them.
I would probably ignore your posts because you follow the same path no matter what the debate, unfortunately I have been a victim of your one track approach. It promotes arguments that deny progressive debate.
Care to explain how your last comment is conducive to progressive debate?
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Feb 6 2015, 06:39 PM
C-too
Feb 6 2015, 06:05 PM
Happy Hornet
Feb 6 2015, 12:46 PM
C-too
Feb 6 2015, 11:53 AM
The OP specifically talks about people not doing enough to combat extremists in their community, which for me makes my comments perfectly relevant to the discussion.

If you don't like my posts, please feel free to ignore them.
I would probably ignore your posts because you follow the same path no matter what the debate, unfortunately I have been a victim of your one track approach. It promotes arguments that deny progressive debate.
Care to explain how your last comment is conducive to progressive debate?
My reply was not intended to be, it was a rebuttal of your argumentative style. I will not be distracted by your oh so usual deviation style reply.

My post was/is self explanatory.
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C-too
Feb 6 2015, 06:53 PM
Happy Hornet
Feb 6 2015, 06:39 PM
C-too
Feb 6 2015, 06:05 PM
Happy Hornet
Feb 6 2015, 12:46 PM
I would probably ignore your posts because you follow the same path no matter what the debate, unfortunately I have been a victim of your one track approach. It promotes arguments that deny progressive debate.
Care to explain how your last comment is conducive to progressive debate?
My reply was not intended to be, it was a rebuttal of your argumentative style. I will not be distracted by your oh so usual deviation style reply.

My post was/is self explanatory.
I suspect the real issue you have with my argument is that you can't come up with a credible counter argument hence your attempt to stifle/derail debate.

However out of respect for our hosts and fellow posters I won't be partaking in this juvenile one - up manship any longer, good day.
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Feb 6 2015, 06:59 PM
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Feb 6 2015, 06:53 PM
Happy Hornet
Feb 6 2015, 06:39 PM
C-too
Feb 6 2015, 06:05 PM
Care to explain how your last comment is conducive to progressive debate?
My reply was not intended to be, it was a rebuttal of your argumentative style. I will not be distracted by your oh so usual deviation style reply.

My post was/is self explanatory.
I suspect the real issue you have with my argument is that you can't come up with a credible counter argument hence your attempt to stifle/derail debate.

However out of respect for our hosts and fellow posters I won't be partaking in this juvenile one - up manship any longer, good day.
So instead of doing a little soul searching you make an excuse for your behaviour. I should have expected no less. !wav!
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Feb 6 2015, 11:25 AM
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Feb 6 2015, 11:08 AM
There are extremists in the so called Christian majority in this country, people who would never condemn homophobic attacks, people who would never condemn attacks on Mosques, Muslim owned shops and businesses, people who stay silent when Palestinian women and children are indiscriminately killed by Israel.

Then there are those who stay silent when abortion clinics are firebombed, the Catholic who smiles when a Protestant family are persecuted, the Protestant who laughs in the face of a Catholic beaten up simply because they are Catholic.

The American Christian fanatics who still refuse to accept racial equality, or the ones who think that non-believers should die, or that "fags should burn in hell", or that women should know their place.

You see fanatics and extremists are not limited or restricted to the Muslim faith, they are in all faiths, infact Christianity along with Islam are two of the most bigoted organisations in the world, there are extremists amongst our Muslim population, there probably always will be, but they are not the majority.


It appears I missed the bit where christian extremists in this country beheaded a couple of muslims and burnt a muslim alive.
The bastards who behead people and burn them alive aren't Muslims or members of any other religion. They have the pretence, but they are nothing more than scum whose only place is hell. They have no right to be called human or any other animal. They deserve not to exist and should be got rid of.
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Feb 6 2015, 07:21 PM
The bastards who behead people and burn them alive aren't Muslims or members of any other religion. They have the pretence, but they are nothing more than scum whose only place is hell. They have no right to be called human or any other animal. They deserve not to exist and should be got rid of.
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Feb 6 2015, 11:18 AM
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Feb 5 2015, 11:01 AM
I note, with horror, that the Muslim fundamentalist group has had their own wicker man , by enclosing a Jordanian pilot in a metal cage and burning him to death. I'm sure that we all felt a sense of pity for him , horror at what was done to him and with sympathy for his friends, but where are the protests and condemnations at what the perpetrators did to him on this board, or from our own Muslim clerics and leaders? Will I be condemned for raising the issue, or be accused of Islamaphobia for doing so ?
Why the silence, and where are the protest from the silent peace loving majority of Muslims in Britain that we hear so much about? Is this the thing to come if not addressed properly, and is Obama right in saying full integration and a national identity the key to a peaceful future.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2913798/Religion-dare-not-speak...

Was Enoch right http://www.riversofblood.uk/rivers_of_blood_enoch_powell.asp
Yet more senile ramblings.

Here is another tip for you, if you want to see the wider picture try and find other sources of information other than a right wing piece of toilet paper like the Mail.

How hard can that be? :)
Weekends do not seem to be a good time for you, for its then that you become the most offensive . Perhaps its then when you relax with a bottle or two and your true nature is revealed.
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