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| Clamping down on tax avoidance, a vote winner? | |
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| Topic Started: Feb 7 2015, 01:52 PM (681 Views) | |
| Tigger | Feb 7 2015, 01:52 PM Post #1 |
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This seems to be Labours route this week, slightly hypocritical of course given the holes blown in the tax code by Brown and Blair in their attempts to woo corporates, but given the Tories well known views it seems to me to be a good direction to head, and what is all this nonsense about crown depdency's refusing to co operate with the home nation? |
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| Pro Veritas | Feb 7 2015, 04:55 PM Post #2 |
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Labour are on to a huge winner with this IMO. Normal everyday people are finally waking up the fact that one of the major reasons they pay so much tax is because big business and the really rich pay so little. All The Best |
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| papasmurf | Feb 7 2015, 08:27 PM Post #3 |
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I am afraid there are several people on this forum who are not normal. Why they are defending what are a few dozen filthy rich criminals who have been robbing us all blind in some cases for a very long time is something I really cannot understand. |
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| The Buccaneer | Feb 7 2015, 09:12 PM Post #4 |
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Typical Labour. Spent 13 years in the chair from 1997 and did buggerall to close any loopholes, and now the gormless gromit is pledging to close them, presumably relying on that braindead balls to do so. Gawd 'elpus ! |
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| papasmurf | Feb 7 2015, 09:49 PM Post #5 |
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New Labour were not handed tax evaders names, UK addresses and foreign bank account numbers on a plate. The current government were, two years ago and have still done nothing about it. ![]() NOT FOR THE FIRST TIME you derail a thread on LEGAL TAX AVOIDANCE with ILLEGAL TAX EVASION I have had it with you and this tactic.. ANY subsequent posts on this IN THIS THREAD are going in the pillory You want to talk about tax evasion, fine. DO IT IN ANOTHER THREAD Edited by johnofgwent, Feb 8 2015, 05:06 AM.
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| Tytoalba | Feb 7 2015, 10:47 PM Post #6 |
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Declaration of independence as their democratic right may solve their problems . They are self dependent already. If Scotland can have a referendum on independence you can hardly refuse then the same rights, can you.? |
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| The Buccaneer | Feb 7 2015, 10:53 PM Post #7 |
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Declaration of independence for Scotland is likely to be far more in England's favour, given the economic situation, but then, good show, at least it gets these freeloaders off our ENGLISH backs, and onto their own resources. |
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| Rich | Feb 7 2015, 11:04 PM Post #8 |
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Well, here apparently, are learned people expounding upon the very same subject. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0512lnd#auto And afterwards, replies to those apparently learned people from those in the front line. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b051j5tj |
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| Tigger | Feb 7 2015, 11:24 PM Post #9 |
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Do what? And it's nice to see you join the ranks of the forums ragged trousered philathropists in supporting tax avoidance, presumably when these rocky tax havens are invaded by the local junta or are subject to punitive sanctions for playing fast and loose with other peoples money we should tell them as independent nations to sort it out themselves with a staple gun and a spread sheet? Edited by Tigger, Feb 7 2015, 11:25 PM.
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| Gnikkk | Feb 8 2015, 07:48 AM Post #10 |
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Here's my policy. Anyone avoiding paying tax by not working has their right to vote withdrawn. Anyone paying higher rate tax gets a letter of thanks from HM Gov every year acknowledging they are keeping the country afloat. |
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| Lewis | Feb 8 2015, 08:03 AM Post #11 |
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Well it should damn well be a crime. One of the reasons my taxes are so high is that I'm subsidising people who by tax avoiding or using other means to avoid their taxes. The incompetents go right wing blue in the face over benefits fraudsters, yet these scroungers cost you and me a damn sight more. They should be either forced to pay their fair share or gaoled! |
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| papasmurf | Feb 8 2015, 09:13 AM Post #12 |
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That is why I cannot understand why some people on this forum defend super rich thieves. |
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| Pro Veritas | Feb 8 2015, 09:24 AM Post #13 |
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Who that be then? Everyone on JSA pays tax. You seem to think avoiding tax is something the poor and unemployed have access to - it isn't. It never has been. Tax Avoidance is a "luxury" afforded those who really have no need to avoid tax in the first place; because most of them have enough wealth that if they can't manage on what is left after tax they are deliberately living to excess. All The Best |
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| johnofgwent | Feb 8 2015, 09:25 AM Post #14 |
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It .. It is GREEN !!
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Or alternatively fuck off to Monaco ... I'm not sure how old you are, I ask because you see I was WORKING and PAYING TAX the day Nigel Lawson declared that the toprate of tax in the UK would be 40%. Cue a bucketload of interviews with "tax advisors" on the phones to their clients pointing out that it no longer made any sense to be a tax exile. And lest you think this a tory issue, can I suggest you get your hands on a copy of Dawn Primarolo (the Poll Tax Refusenik)'s Regulatory Impact Assessment on the 1999 Welfare Reform Act and see what she has to say about what she calls "group A". |
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| johnofgwent | Feb 8 2015, 09:29 AM Post #15 |
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It .. It is GREEN !!
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Then go stand in the street with a dayglo bucket and a placard declaring your intent to strike down from the statutes any and every item of case law predicated on the 1929 declaration in the High Court of James Avon Clyde http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Avon_Clyde,_Lord_Clyde Good Luck With Getting Elected |
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| papasmurf | Feb 8 2015, 10:07 AM Post #16 |
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I can find it mentioned on the internet in numerous places, but I can't find a link to it. |
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| Lewis | Feb 8 2015, 11:59 AM Post #17 |
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If people are so complacent to allow themselves to be ripped off by those who avoid their fair share of taxes and to condone it, well not I. However this issue is not going to go away. Even your very own Tory incompetents are slowly starting to take note now. Benefit scroungers are vilified but not tax scroungers it seems - YET! At least I don't use the f-word as much as some do on this forum. |
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| Steve K | Feb 8 2015, 12:01 PM Post #18 |
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For those that think that tax avoidance is legal - you're wrong, think again Some while back (but a lot after 1929) the UK gov redefined the term to be " reducing tax liabilities by using the tax law to get a tax advantage that Parliament never intended." so all the stuff about ISAs etc was shunted off into the term "legitimate tax planning" This and the previous government have used the annual Budgets to clamp down further. In effect they have ruled that tax avoidance was not legal albeit was not criminally illegal. What that has meant is HMRC a) have to be told details in advance of any avoidance scheme b) could challenge it c) if they could show it was not what parliament intended, they could force payment of all the avoided tax no matter if it had been avoided within the letter of the law and they would use retrospective legislation if necessary to do that (justifying this as the budget announcement was enough warning) IE the tax avoided was not in HMRC's eye legally withheld it would be seized An interesting read: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/197112/Tackling_tax_avoidance.pdf |
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| RJD | Feb 8 2015, 04:31 PM Post #19 |
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As I said a Court of Law decides. Sometimes an FD finds that what he thinks is legal is challenged by HMRC and the Court of Law finds that it was a legal course to take. Anyone who thinks these cases are black or white clearly do not understand the complexities of our Tax Laws. |
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| Rich | Feb 8 2015, 07:37 PM Post #20 |
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Do you honestly believe that in the unlikely event of tax evaders being brought to book that it will ameliorate yours and mine tax contributions? no sir, the more that the governments get then the more they will want as extra revenue to the treasury as evidenced by past and present governments has been utterly wasted especially on non essentials, Millenium dome, HS2, Foreign aid, etc they are all serial spenders. |
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| Affa | Feb 8 2015, 07:53 PM Post #21 |
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Absolutely ridiculous. Sorry, but it is! |
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| Rich | Feb 8 2015, 08:24 PM Post #22 |
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As you wish. |
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| papasmurf | Feb 8 2015, 08:37 PM Post #23 |
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No, but it would counteract the loss of petrol tax revenue and stop tax being raised. |
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| Tigger | Feb 8 2015, 08:41 PM Post #24 |
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I think I should let you know that someone else has been using your name on here and banging on about single mums, the feckless and would you believe it even immigrants who always work cash in hand (probably) all of whom this person seems to think cost the taxpayer money! |
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| Lewis | Feb 8 2015, 10:44 PM Post #25 |
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The White elephant now known as the O2 Arena (aka The Dome) makes a profit and it is expected to pay off the build costs shortly. HS2 will not only provide many thousands of construction jobs, but will also enable people to travel faster to the north. It will also provide a boon for Northern communities. Far from being a waste of money it will be a good thing, overall. Two out of the three being a good thing rather than an absolute waste of money. |
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| Rich | Feb 8 2015, 11:08 PM Post #26 |
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In your opinion of course. |
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| Lewis | Feb 8 2015, 11:18 PM Post #27 |
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Well logic pervades you Richie! And not just my opinion too! |
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| Pro Veritas | Feb 9 2015, 12:12 AM Post #28 |
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All that money to shave, what, 20 minutes off the longest journey time? Not worth it. Especially as technology advances far quicker than we build these large infrastructure projects. By the time it is done no one will be making that commute for business trips etc, we'll all be using wireless internet video-conferencing. There are better ways to assist the Northern urban centres than this, how about spending just 50% of this build cost on local redevelopment and enterprise projects? That would provide local long-term jobs rather than a few short-term construction jobs. Anyone who thinks this is anything but a huge white-elephant is deluding themselves IMO. All The Best |
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| ACH1967 | Feb 9 2015, 09:00 AM Post #29 |
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The cost benefit analysis for the HS2 link is far from certain. Anyone pretending that it is is your enemy
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| Lewis | Feb 9 2015, 06:54 PM Post #30 |
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Could you be more specific as to the longest journey time? However for others there are significant savings in travel time and economic advantages: http://www.go-hs2.com/BenefitsOfHS2/BenefitsOfHS2.aspx High Speed Rail is projected to generate significant local and national benefits, including: •Boosting the West Midlands' economy by £4 billion pa. •Delivering 50,000 jobs to the West Midlands. •Up to 2,000 operational and maintenance jobs. •Travel time of 45 minutes between Birmingham and London, down from the current 83 minutes. •Travel time of 38 minutes between Birmingham Interchange Station and London from the current 70 minutes. •Travel times of 41 minutes between Birmingham and Manchester (reduced from 90 minutes) and 57 minutes between Birmingham and Leeds (reduced from two hours). •Centro has drawn up timetables for new and enhanced passenger and freight services using capacity released on existing lines by HS2 •Reduced carbon of up to a million tonnes a year by 2055. |
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| RJD | Feb 10 2015, 06:03 PM Post #31 |
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- Pilly Tonybill in the Gruaniad
Best check how it was that this sale was made offshore and remote from the clutches of HMRC. Bunch of hypocrites but what does one expect from the left? |
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| Affa | Feb 10 2015, 07:25 PM Post #32 |
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When you swim in waters infested with sharks survival demands you develop defences against being swallowed up. Better to live by the principles of those you oppose than die by observing your own. |
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| Tigger | Feb 10 2015, 10:09 PM Post #33 |
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Left wingers avoiding tax = hypocrites, right wingers avoiding tax, sensible and entirely understandable actions. It's hard not to laugh sometimes! I'd have mentioned Toynbee's Tuscan villa as well just for effect.
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| RJD | Feb 11 2015, 05:01 PM Post #34 |
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I do not need to. You have for me given sufficient proof of the claim. |
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| jaguar | Feb 11 2015, 05:46 PM Post #35 |
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Is it me or is Miliband seems to be attempting to alienate as many people/organizations as possible? This tends to suggest he is more interested in positive headlines than actually get on with the job, in other words appeasing the party faithful. |
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| Tigger | Feb 11 2015, 06:49 PM Post #36 |
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Wealthy person who is left wing has holiday home and yet at the same time still professes to care about those less fortunate than herself. If you can find someone with morals and a shred of decency get them to explain that one to you as you are most certainly "very confused" here. File under greed is good and fuck the plebs. |
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| Tigger | Feb 11 2015, 06:57 PM Post #37 |
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It looks to me that he has stumbled on a potential gold mine, the Cons are running scared on this. The Tory party is largely funded by wealthy and very privileged people a lot of whom will have very complex tax affairs. This revelation will leave the average wage slave wondering if a few percent of the population who continually preach more work for less reward, austerity and the slashing public services are in actual fact just taking the piss. I'd not expect anyone with a tinge of blue to be able to get their heads around any of that. |
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| somersetli | Feb 11 2015, 07:18 PM Post #38 |
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I wonder if there are any statistics on the amount of money lost through total tax avoidance. That also includes the "Black Economy". In case anybody thinks "mates rates" would be too insignificant for the tax man to concern himself with. Let me tell you that I used to have a company car and the tax man was crapping his pants over the fact that I might travelling to and from work and not paying for the petrol used. He insisted that I produce receipts from the petrol station to cover 16 miles per day x 5 days per week. |
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| Steve K | Feb 11 2015, 07:24 PM Post #39 |
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Happy reading somerseti Also includes the HMRC definitions of the terms used. It's notable too for showing the size of one of the biggest areas of fraud, people who pay cash to avoid VAT |
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| Rich | Feb 11 2015, 07:32 PM Post #40 |
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I think it has finally dawned on Ed that his party faithfuls are the only ones listening to him, the rest of the country is to busy watching paint dry. |
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