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Predicted Disabled Persons Voting
Topic Started: Feb 12 2015, 07:48 PM (150 Views)
papasmurf
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Interesting survey, I wonder if Lord Ashcroft has allowed for it in his polling:-

http://www.scribd.com/doc/255240148/Predicted-Disabled-Persons-Voting-ODI-Disability-Intelligence-Survey-1-December-2014

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johnofgwent
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If they were not guaranteed to become extinct in 3 months I think the lib dems would worry. The piss poor view the people polled have of them on this issue oes not reflect the things the liberals of 1979 said they stood for
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Steve K
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Rightly or wrongly disabled voters tend not to vote. I suspect Lord Ashton knows this very well
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Steve K
Feb 12 2015, 08:16 PM
Rightly or wrongly disabled voters tend not to vote. I suspect Lord Ashton knows this very well
Tended not to, so many them have been so badly effected by the cuts and the disgusting treatment they have experienced I suspect that is going to change.
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papasmurf
Feb 12 2015, 08:21 PM
Steve K
Feb 12 2015, 08:16 PM
Rightly or wrongly disabled voters tend not to vote. I suspect Lord Ashton knows this very well
Tended not to, so many them have been so badly effected by the cuts and the disgusting treatment they have experienced I suspect that is going to change.
They may vote Tory
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Feb 12 2015, 08:22 PM
They may vote Tory
I have to assume from that you need to go to Specsavers. 0.9% expect to vote conservative at the General Election.
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papasmurf
Feb 12 2015, 08:25 PM
HIGHWAY
Feb 12 2015, 08:22 PM
They may vote Tory
I have to assume from that you need to go to Specsavers. 0.9% expect to vote conservative at the General Election.
Doesn't mean they won't vote Tory
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Feb 12 2015, 08:38 PM
Doesn't mean they won't vote Tory
Are you ill? (seriously.)
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papasmurf
Feb 12 2015, 08:42 PM
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Feb 12 2015, 08:38 PM
Doesn't mean they won't vote Tory
Are you ill? (seriously.)
Under 1800 people took part in that survey, what about the disabled people who weren't asked,,who says there not going to vote Tory? (Seriously)
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Feb 12 2015, 10:01 PM
papasmurf
Feb 12 2015, 08:42 PM
HIGHWAY
Feb 12 2015, 08:38 PM
Doesn't mean they won't vote Tory
Are you ill? (seriously.)
Under 1800 people took part in that survey, what about the disabled people who weren't asked,,who says there not going to vote Tory? (Seriously)
Depends on whether they are either physically or mentally disabled.

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Steve K
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Less than 3,000 took up this initiative

http://votebooster.org/register/odv
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Feb 12 2015, 10:01 PM
Under 1800 people took part in that survey, what about the disabled people who weren't asked,,who says there not going to vote Tory? (Seriously)
If you knew anything about polling you would know that is an acceptable sample size.

More reading for you:-

http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/2555-could-claimants-choose-the-next-govenment

We have no idea how many working age claimants vote, particularly those who are sick and disabled, because nobody cares enough to find out. But it seems likely that turnout at the last election was relatively low amongst sick and disabled voters simply because many saw themselves as having very little to choose between the three major parties.

At the 2015 general election the picture may be dramatically different, however.

Many claimants will always despise Labour for their anti-claimant rhetoric, for creating the work capability assessment and for introducing private sector companies like Unum and Atos into the benefits system.

But following 5 years of coalition savagery, hatred and impoverishment, and with chancellor George Osborne undertaking to cut a further £12 billion mainly from working age benefits, many may also believe that another five years of coalition or Tory rule will represent a virtual – or actual – death sentence for them.

Under those circumstances, if despair does not disenfranchise them entirely, claimants may turn out to vote Labour in unprecedented numbers, holding their noses whilst they do so.


If claimants and representative bodies work conspicuously and effectively to get the claimant vote out in marginal seats, the 2015 election could mark a turning point in the way that politicians regard them. Jeers and mockery may turn to the same grudging fear with which pensioners are regarded by many politicians.
And after the next election, fear of newly assertive claimants might even be sufficient to force whichever party is in power to pass legislation giving disabled people the same protection against prejudice and hatred that members of ethnic minorities have.

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papasmurf
Feb 12 2015, 10:23 PM
HIGHWAY
Feb 12 2015, 10:01 PM
Under 1800 people took part in that survey, what about the disabled people who weren't asked,,who says there not going to vote Tory? (Seriously)
If you knew anything about polling you would know that is an acceptable sample size.

More reading for you:-

http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/2555-could-claimants-choose-the-next-govenment

We have no idea how many working age claimants vote, particularly those who are sick and disabled, because nobody cares enough to find out. But it seems likely that turnout at the last election was relatively low amongst sick and disabled voters simply because many saw themselves as having very little to choose between the three major parties.

At the 2015 general election the picture may be dramatically different, however.

Many claimants will always despise Labour for their anti-claimant rhetoric, for creating the work capability assessment and for introducing private sector companies like Unum and Atos into the benefits system.

But following 5 years of coalition savagery, hatred and impoverishment, and with chancellor George Osborne undertaking to cut a further £12 billion mainly from working age benefits, many may also believe that another five years of coalition or Tory rule will represent a virtual – or actual – death sentence for them.

Under those circumstances, if despair does not disenfranchise them entirely, claimants may turn out to vote Labour in unprecedented numbers, holding their noses whilst they do so.


If claimants and representative bodies work conspicuously and effectively to get the claimant vote out in marginal seats, the 2015 election could mark a turning point in the way that politicians regard them. Jeers and mockery may turn to the same grudging fear with which pensioners are regarded by many politicians.
And after the next election, fear of newly assertive claimants might even be sufficient to force whichever party is in power to pass legislation giving disabled people the same protection against prejudice and hatred that members of ethnic minorities have.

Your first line sums it up,,,,we have no idea,,,says it all really
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It appears that 35.2% of disabled people are also suffering severe delusions if they think that Labour better understands them.

They were effectively airbrushed out of existence during their last period in office, alongside the white-male-'working class'.
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Rich
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" because nobody cares enough to find out."

Why do not the people who make the above claim bother to find out?.....perhaps they do not care enough?
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Feb 13 2015, 12:01 AM
It appears that 35.2% of disabled people are also suffering severe delusions if they think that Labour better understands them.

They were effectively airbrushed out of existence during their last period in office, alongside the white-male-'working class'.
If I remember correctly, NL passed a law that every place that admitted the general public onto/into it's premises had to make adequate provision for those that were disabled,...........did this happen?
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Rich
Feb 13 2015, 12:23 AM
" because nobody cares enough to find out."

Why do not the people who make the above claim bother to find out?.....perhaps they do not care enough?
Re whether anyone can indeed 'find out' how people voted, in whatever 'clarse' [sic] they are, is a matter of conjecture as it is a secret ballot.

The ballot is protected by law from revealing who voted for what, so we have only the voter's word as to which way say they voted. as opposed to what they actually did on the ballot sheet.

Misinformation is everywhere.
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Rich
Feb 13 2015, 12:25 AM
Nonsense
Feb 13 2015, 12:01 AM
It appears that 35.2% of disabled people are also suffering severe delusions if they think that Labour better understands them.

They were effectively airbrushed out of existence during their last period in office, alongside the white-male-'working class'.
If I remember correctly, NL passed a law that every place that admitted the general public onto/into it's premises had to make adequate provision for those that were disabled,...........did this happen?
There could be pointed out to you numerous buildings within any city that simply cannot be 'modified' to be 'disabled friendly'. yet the pressure groups would have you believe that anything is possible.

With new builds, yes.

Adapting some buildings put up some 250 years ago (for example) can be just wrong on so many levels.
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Rich
Feb 13 2015, 12:25 AM
Nonsense
Feb 13 2015, 12:01 AM
It appears that 35.2% of disabled people are also suffering severe delusions if they think that Labour better understands them.

They were effectively airbrushed out of existence during their last period in office, alongside the white-male-'working class'.
If I remember correctly, NL passed a law that every place that admitted the general public onto/into it's premises had to make adequate provision for those that were disabled,...........did this happen?
I would have to say in large measure it DID and thanks to it my daughter has experienced none of the grief of getting into shops restaurants and public areas of offices with a buggy that we had with her pram when she was her daughter's age.

It's the toxic effect the bastards had on the rest of the country and the economy that is the problem
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Feb 13 2015, 12:01 AM
It appears that 35.2% of disabled people are also suffering severe delusions if they think that Labour better understands them.

You didn't read it all did you? However big a shower New Labour are, they are less of a shower than the Tories from a disabled persons perspective.
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