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Justification for striking?
Topic Started: Aug 5 2015, 06:40 AM (2,908 Views)
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How much a newly-qualified tube driver makes per hour, compared to other careers
Career Teacher Firefighter Nurse Policeman Tube driver
£/hr worked 7.6 9.66 11.12 11.2 26.53


Are switch flickers worth3.5x more that Teachers?


How much do Tube Drivers get

I would not use the word earn.

Funny when it is a problem with a monopoly supplier of goods and services that we are angry, outraged and the Usuals scream from the rooftops "it's not fair".
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Aug 9 2015, 10:25 PM
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Aug 9 2015, 06:39 PM

On average I probably work 50-80 hours a week depending on what needs doing at the time but I don't keep tabs.
Are we supposed to be impressed or just feel sorry for you?

There is more to life than work, it's a shame some fail to understand that...........
Try telling that to a full time working housewife who has no choice.
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Aug 9 2015, 08:40 PM


I apologise for prying into your life - tell me to feck off if you like - I won't be offended. I ask only as I've learned it's best not to make assumptions about posters on here before challenging their opinions.
And I've learned not to give out personal information on the net

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Aug 9 2015, 07:57 PM
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Aug 9 2015, 07:47 PM
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Aug 9 2015, 07:05 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepNice :nono:

A deal is a deal, a promise breaker is a shit. End of.

I wouldn't call anyone offering me a pay rise, bonuses , opt out of unwanted shifts, guaranteed hours and a protected job a total sh1t :nono:

I'd say thanks very much !tkq!



But there again I work in the private sector where the customer is king :worthy:
As I said earlier, now more than ever, automation of tube trains will be pushed VERY high up the agenda, I cannot stress enough that greed and non compromise will end up in tears for the employees, to anger the very people that rely on you getting them to work in order that you too can be paid is sheer madness.

Do not expect sympathy from the paying public and you will not be disappointed when the inevitability of automation laughs in your face as you collect your redundancy cards.
As a some time commuter with lots of friends, acquaintances who also commute I have yet to meet a single person with an iota of sympathy for tube drivers' alleged grievances causing them to strike

Most seem to support the immediate sacking of all strikers and open recruitment of new drivers who could be trained in a couple of weeks max

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Aug 9 2015, 10:28 PM
Try telling that to a full time working housewife who has no choice.
Get a divorce and go on the game.

Nobody is forced to to do anything, although some it would appear disagree with that if it suits them.
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Aug 9 2015, 06:39 PM

On average I probably work 50-80 hours a week depending on what needs doing at the time but I don't keep tabs.
Are we supposed to be impressed or just feel sorry for you?

There is more to life than work, it's a shame some fail to understand that...........
I answered a question I was asked

Do you have an issue with that?
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Aug 9 2015, 10:38 PM
As a some time commuter with lots of friends, acquaintances who also commute I have yet to meet a single person with an iota of sympathy for tube drivers' alleged grievances causing them to strike

Most seem to support the immediate sacking of all strikers and open recruitment of new drivers who could be trained in a couple of weeks max

Yes but lets face it London is full of selfish wankers who only think about themselves, so when someone has the temerity to inconvenience them it's virtually akin to someone shagging the missus while you watch.
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Aug 9 2015, 10:28 PM
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Aug 9 2015, 10:25 PM
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Aug 9 2015, 06:39 PM

On average I probably work 50-80 hours a week depending on what needs doing at the time but I don't keep tabs.
Are we supposed to be impressed or just feel sorry for you?

There is more to life than work, it's a shame some fail to understand that...........
Try telling that to a full time working housewife who has no choice.
True, or those full time working housewives/husbands with elderly relatives to care for
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Aug 9 2015, 10:44 PM
I answered a question I was asked

Do you have an issue with that?
None at all, but you are not speaking for the nation or I suspect even the majority so the hours you apparently work are immaterial.
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Aug 9 2015, 10:46 PM
True, or those full time working housewives/husbands with elderly relatives to care for
*Violin removed from case, bowstrings checked*
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Aug 9 2015, 06:26 PM
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Aug 9 2015, 09:23 AM
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Aug 8 2015, 11:58 AM
Anywhere else with a tube system in the UK

Where might that be then ?

Actually, I know the answer to that NOW (Glasgow, Tyne & Wear and Liverpool)

However, until google gave me this link when I thought "are there even any such things" and went looking ...

http://www.anglotopia.net/countries/england/britains-other-underground-train-tube-metro-rail-systems-and-networks/

... I had absolutely no idea any of these even existed.

Mind you that's largely because nothing would persuade me to enter any of those shitholes for any reason whatsoever and I rather suspect that if as you claim you've been "enjoying using your oystercard for years" if your employer shut up shop and pissed off to Liverpool you'd be less than impressed too.



Why do you suppose they are, as you so eloquently put it "sxxxholes" do you suppose it might have something to do with the fact that those places are governed by Labour dominated councils?
Poorer areas in this country tend to have Labour councils just as richer areas tend to have Tory councils. It just reflects the greed of the rich and the need of the poor.
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Aug 9 2015, 07:57 PM
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Aug 9 2015, 07:05 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepNice :nono:

A deal is a deal, a promise breaker is a shit. End of.

I wouldn't call anyone offering me a pay rise, bonuses , opt out of unwanted shifts, guaranteed hours and a protected job a total sh1t :nono:

I'd say thanks very much !tkq!



But there again I work in the private sector where the customer is king :worthy:
As I said earlier, now more than ever, automation of tube trains will be pushed VERY high up the agenda, I cannot stress enough that greed and non compromise will end up in tears for the employees, to anger the very people that rely on you getting them to work in order that you too can be paid is sheer madness.

Do not expect sympathy from the paying public and you will not be disappointed when the inevitability of automation laughs in your face as you collect your redundancy cards.
All the more reason to make hay while the sun shines ?

I wonder if you feel just as strongly about tax avoiders/evaders ?
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Aug 9 2015, 10:10 PM
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Not just bankers, but everyone else from office cleaners, shop workers, fast food staff, street cleaners nurses and carers and every other job you can think of, most I would suggest earning much less than the tube drivers . Your view of London bears no similarity to reality.
And here we have yet another one who has failed to see how important train drivers are! :facepalm:

And you can probably add to that list the plebs who supply you with wholesome water and those who empty your bins, menial jobs, which is of course what you are implying that train drivers are doing are often the services that underpin our civilisation, we only miss them when they are not there.

Got that now? :)
I don't see anyone as plebs. I'm sufficiently self confident to treat everyone equally, no matter what their status in life is, or whatever their achievements. People are people and should be taken as we find them to be.
As Kipling put it

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!

Some people are just . besotted with class and class warfare but I'm not one of them When Labour and their supporters can treat everyone equally and look after the interests of all, not just their hard core class driven supporters like yourself,they might gain success .
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I answered a question I was asked

Do you have an issue with that?
None at all, but you are not speaking for the nation or I suspect even the majority so the hours you apparently work are immaterial.
As previously stated (and ''if'' you'd read the post I replied to) I was asked a specific question about my personal circumstances and gave a personal answer.

I appreciate that MY answer is an anathema to public sector workers and lefties in general
Edited by Ewill, Aug 10 2015, 09:26 AM.
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Yes but lets face it London is full of selfish wankers who only think about themselves, so when someone has the temerity to inconvenience them it's virtually akin to someone shagging the missus while you watch.
Is that to the same extent that Essex is full of idiot stereotypers?

There was a real debate going on here at one time before he silly comments started.
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No comment on my response to your slandering of my ideals then Steve?

There's a shock.

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Aug 10 2015, 03:50 PM
No comment on my response to your slandering of my ideals then Steve?

There's a shock.

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Can you slander someone's ideals? I like to know these things.
They are just matters of opinion and not fact.

This is one for Ewiil to clarify
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Aug 9 2015, 06:39 PM

On average I probably work 50-80 hours a week depending on what needs doing at the time but I don't keep tabs.
Are we supposed to be impressed or just feel sorry for you?

There is more to life than work, it's a shame some fail to understand that...........

EWill also does voluntary care work looking after the elderly and infirm .... I cannot say whether this is paid work or costs covered, but I commend them in any case.
I guess it does make working with animals and holiday exploration of far distant lands even more satisfying knowing that you truly do deserve your breaks.



Edited by Affa, Aug 10 2015, 05:53 PM.
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No comment on my response to your slandering of my ideals then Steve?

There's a shock.

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No post has mentioned slander. Please explain just which post of yours you are referring to.
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That's my post. Where is this allegation of slander you say I ignored?
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I apologise for prying into your life - tell me to feck off if you like - I won't be offended. I ask only as I've learned it's best not to make assumptions about posters on here before challenging their opinions.
And I've learned not to give out personal information on the net

Fair enough. Then I'll apologise in advance for any assumptions I may make.
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To Ewill:

You stated earlier: '....Normal people change job regularly.' Then followed it with '..I (Ewill) have 3 jobs, one of which has been held for 25 years...'

Can I conclude therefore you are not entirely 'normal'.
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To Ewill:

You stated earlier: '....Normal people change job regularly.' Then followed it with '..I (Ewill) have 3 jobs, one of which has been held for 25 years...'

Can I conclude therefore you are not entirely 'normal'.
!dvl! ......... !jk!
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Aug 10 2015, 08:28 PM
To Ewill:

You stated earlier: '....Normal people change job regularly.' Then followed it with '..I (Ewill) have 3 jobs, one of which has been held for 25 years...'

Can I conclude therefore you are not entirely 'normal'.
You can ''assume'' whatever you choose to assume- your choice :thumbsup: doesn't make it correct

Before you do however - you have no idea how the frequency with which the shorter term employment has changed , lots of people have portfolio careers ;D

(I enjoy the long term position ,nice people, give and take atmosphere ,good customer base , pays , no reason to change for the sake of it!)

Affa has mentioned some out of work life !clp! all voluntary , I also take oldies to the theatre or cinema a couple of times a month just because, parties of 5 including me-maximum I can get in my car !moon! !moon!

I'm well organised but flexibility is key to maintaining a full social life

Didn't mention doing my horses daily as they aren't relevant to tube drivers striking at the drop of a hat and brining misery to hundreds of thousands of commuters merely trying to get to work.

Tube drivers shouldn't be indispensable , the unions have manufactured the climate which should be reversed and recruitment taken from the open jobs' market so these outrageous strikes are consigned to history





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Just a thought but why is being not entirely normal hinted at as being a bad thing?

Who'd want to be entirely average? Not I
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Aug 10 2015, 09:21 AM
I don't see anyone as plebs. I'm sufficiently self confident to treat everyone equally, no matter what their status in life is, or whatever their achievements. People are people and should be taken as we find them to be.



Really! ;D

In the past you've said certain types of bad news should not be broadcast in case it gives some folks ideas, and you consistently trot out hypocrisy and smugness and you then tell us you are self confident, try arrogant instead!

Banning people from withholding their labour under threat of punitive sanctions is something no decent democratic nation should even contemplate, shame on you for putting minor inconvenience above the right to protest.

And please spare us you embarrassing antiquated poetry, it makes you sound like a long dead Victorian Major..........
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Is that to the same extent that Essex is full of idiot stereotypers?

I'm originally from Essex and sadly the stereotypes attached to that region have a firm basis in fact, in the same way as my comments about London and Londoners in general, and yes, not every single person conforms to this image, but the point should have been obvious to someone slightly less pedantic........
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Is that to the same extent that Essex is full of idiot stereotypers?

I'm originally from Essex and sadly the stereotypes attached to that region have a firm basis in fact, in the same way as my comments about London and Londoners in general, and yes, not every single person conforms to this image, but the point should have been obvious to someone slightly less pedantic........
How strange that you chose to remove your idiot post from that quote. Lets look again:

Tigger
Aug 9 2015, 10:46 PM
Yes but lets face it London is full of selfish wankers who only think about themselves, so when someone has the temerity to inconvenience them it's virtually akin to someone shagging the missus while you watch.
what bollocks


And I said idiot stereotypeRS not stereotypes. BIG difference
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To Ewill:

You stated earlier: '....Normal people change job regularly.' Then followed it with '..I (Ewill) have 3 jobs, one of which has been held for 25 years...'

Can I conclude therefore you are not entirely 'normal'.
I'm a bit weird as I've had the same sort of job since 1983, sadly no voluntary work or charitable stuff that might impress someone at a dinner party as I've been to busy earning a living.

And as we "lefties" know the "flexible" economy that requires people to do several jobs is the end result of an economy with no direction that emphasises quick profits over long term stability.

Jack of all trades and a master of none.........
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Aug 10 2015, 09:59 PM
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Aug 10 2015, 09:54 PM
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Is that to the same extent that Essex is full of idiot stereotypers?

I'm originally from Essex and sadly the stereotypes attached to that region have a firm basis in fact, in the same way as my comments about London and Londoners in general, and yes, not every single person conforms to this image, but the point should have been obvious to someone slightly less pedantic........
How strange that you chose to remove your idiot post from that quote. Lets look again:

Tigger
Aug 9 2015, 10:46 PM
Yes but lets face it London is full of selfish wankers who only think about themselves, so when someone has the temerity to inconvenience them it's virtually akin to someone shagging the missus while you watch.
what bollocks


And I said idiot stereotypeRS not stereotypes. BIG difference
Sorry again Steve, I lived and worked in London for several years and sadly I have to report the place was indeed full of selfish wankers.

Do I need to offer my OPINION for a third time or will you once again play semantics silly buggers? :)
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That's my post. Where is this allegation of slander you say I ignored?
And I credited you with having some intelligence.

Oh, well.

If you can't figure out which post I am referring to (Hint: its the one by me quoting your post) you'll never figure out the rest.

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Sorry again Steve, I lived and worked in London for several years and sadly I have to report the place was indeed full of selfish wankers.

Do I need to offer my OPINION for a third time or will you once again play semantics silly buggers? :)
You haven't been to the London I have then. Yes there are some selfish people, there are in Harlow too. But to pursue an idiot stereotype because you are unable to properly position an argument is just mindless bigotry

I know a lot of people who do or have worked in London and none fit your description, maybe you just attract the wrong sort
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To Ewill:

You stated earlier: '....Normal people change job regularly.' Then followed it with '..I (Ewill) have 3 jobs, one of which has been held for 25 years...'

Can I conclude therefore you are not entirely 'normal'.
I'm a bit weird as I've had the same sort of job since 1983, sadly no voluntary work or charitable stuff that might impress someone at a dinner party as I've been to busy earning a living.

And as we "lefties" know the "flexible" economy that requires people to do several jobs is the end result of an economy with no direction that emphasises quick profits over long term stability.

Jack of all trades and a master of none.........
Yes, that just about sums up the Labour shadow cabinet.
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That's my post. Where is this allegation of slander you say I ignored?
And I credited you with having some intelligence.

Oh, well.

If you can't figure out which post I am referring to (Hint: its the one by me quoting your post) you'll never figure out the rest.

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WTF get real

You are accusing me of disregarding you challenging my post as slander. Turns out there was no such allegation and you have been telling porkies since. And in effect libelling me.

I saw a post about your "ideals". Didn't read it all, what did I miss?

Anyway if you have a grievance either PM me or state it and if I'm wrong I'll apologise. Maybe you should for your last post.
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I saw a post about your "ideals". Didn't read it all, what did I miss?
Well if you didn't read it when it was a direct challenge to your claim about my ideals why would I believe you'd read what I post now?

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I saw a post about your "ideals". Didn't read it all, what did I miss?
Well if you didn't read it when it was a direct challenge to your claim about my ideals why would I believe you'd read what I post now?

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Well I'm replying now aren't I

what's your beef?

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You haven't been to the London I have then. Yes there are some selfish people, there are in Harlow too. But to pursue an idiot stereotype because you are unable to properly position an argument is just mindless bigotry

I know a lot of people who do or have worked in London and none fit your description, maybe you just attract the wrong sort
Mindless bigotry or not, I had my home broken into three times, two vans stolen, was the victim of an attempted mugging, met indifference to the plight of others from most of the people I came into contact with, many of these folks were very wealthy btw, had numerous run ins with people who thought paying bills, ie my wages, was an optional extra and found the place a stinking shithole full of people with a large chip on their various shoulders!

Just sayin' like!
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Aug 10 2015, 08:28 PM
To Ewill:

You stated earlier: '....Normal people change job regularly.' Then followed it with '..I (Ewill) have 3 jobs, one of which has been held for 25 years...'

Can I conclude therefore you are not entirely 'normal'.
I'm a bit weird as I've had the same sort of job since 1983, sadly no voluntary work or charitable stuff that might impress someone at a dinner party as I've been to busy earning a living.

And as we "lefties" know the "flexible" economy that requires people to do several jobs is the end result of an economy with no direction that emphasises quick profits over long term stability.

Jack of all trades and a master of none.........
Yes, that just about sums up the Labour shadow cabinet.
Or immigrants?

;-)

Damn, I spoiled your next post!
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So helps to understand your real ideals.
My ideals are quite simple.

Any and all workers must have the right to collectively withdraw their labour in order to protect standards of safety, and working conditions.

Any worker considered so vital that they are asked to forego that right should be compensated with better pay and conditions.

My ideals are quite simple.

If we need special thresholds for ballots for industrial action by a few hundred workers then those same special thresholds should be applied to the much more important ballots of electing our government.


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Well if it helps I agree with your post ^

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Aug 10 2015, 09:03 PM
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Aug 10 2015, 08:28 PM
To Ewill:

You stated earlier: '....Normal people change job regularly.' Then followed it with '..I (Ewill) have 3 jobs, one of which has been held for 25 years...'

Can I conclude therefore you are not entirely 'normal'.
You can ''assume'' whatever you choose to assume- your choice :thumbsup: doesn't make it correct

Before you do however - you have no idea how the frequency with which the shorter term employment has changed , lots of people have portfolio careers ;D

(I enjoy the long term position ,nice people, give and take atmosphere ,good customer base , pays , no reason to change for the sake of it!)

Affa has mentioned some out of work life !clp! all voluntary , I also take oldies to the theatre or cinema a couple of times a month just because, parties of 5 including me-maximum I can get in my car !moon! !moon!

I'm well organised but flexibility is key to maintaining a full social life

Didn't mention doing my horses daily as they aren't relevant to tube drivers striking at the drop of a hat and brining misery to hundreds of thousands of commuters merely trying to get to work.

Tube drivers shouldn't be indispensable , the unions have manufactured the climate which should be reversed and recruitment taken from the open jobs' market so these outrageous strikes are consigned to history





Hmmmmmmmm. "Doing my horses". Call me cylindrical, but that tells me a lot.

So there's time to do three jobs, take old folks on outings, and do horses as well? How many hours are there in a day? You certainly don't fit the bill as the average person do you? Ex foxhunter? Probably have time to bung a spot of grouse shooting in as well? Perhaps spend a few hours a day on the yacht too?

Just ribbing. !dvl!
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