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| Topic Started: Aug 5 2015, 06:40 AM (2,908 Views) | |
| RJD | Aug 5 2015, 06:40 AM Post #1 |
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How much a newly-qualified tube driver makes per hour, compared to other careers Career Teacher Firefighter Nurse Policeman Tube driver £/hr worked 7.6 9.66 11.12 11.2 26.53 Are switch flickers worth3.5x more that Teachers? How much do Tube Drivers get I would not use the word earn. Funny when it is a problem with a monopoly supplier of goods and services that we are angry, outraged and the Usuals scream from the rooftops "it's not fair". |
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| Rich | Aug 9 2015, 10:28 PM Post #201 |
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Try telling that to a full time working housewife who has no choice. |
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| Ewill | Aug 9 2015, 10:31 PM Post #202 |
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And I've learned not to give out personal information on the net |
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| Ewill | Aug 9 2015, 10:38 PM Post #203 |
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As a some time commuter with lots of friends, acquaintances who also commute I have yet to meet a single person with an iota of sympathy for tube drivers' alleged grievances causing them to strike Most seem to support the immediate sacking of all strikers and open recruitment of new drivers who could be trained in a couple of weeks max |
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| Tigger | Aug 9 2015, 10:42 PM Post #204 |
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Get a divorce and go on the game. Nobody is forced to to do anything, although some it would appear disagree with that if it suits them. |
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| Ewill | Aug 9 2015, 10:44 PM Post #205 |
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I answered a question I was asked Do you have an issue with that? |
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| Tigger | Aug 9 2015, 10:46 PM Post #206 |
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Yes but lets face it London is full of selfish wankers who only think about themselves, so when someone has the temerity to inconvenience them it's virtually akin to someone shagging the missus while you watch. |
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| Ewill | Aug 9 2015, 10:46 PM Post #207 |
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True, or those full time working housewives/husbands with elderly relatives to care for |
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| Tigger | Aug 9 2015, 10:48 PM Post #208 |
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None at all, but you are not speaking for the nation or I suspect even the majority so the hours you apparently work are immaterial. |
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| Tigger | Aug 9 2015, 10:49 PM Post #209 |
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*Violin removed from case, bowstrings checked* |
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| C-too | Aug 10 2015, 04:54 AM Post #210 |
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Poorer areas in this country tend to have Labour councils just as richer areas tend to have Tory councils. It just reflects the greed of the rich and the need of the poor. |
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| C-too | Aug 10 2015, 05:04 AM Post #211 |
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All the more reason to make hay while the sun shines ? I wonder if you feel just as strongly about tax avoiders/evaders ? |
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| Tytoalba | Aug 10 2015, 09:21 AM Post #212 |
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I don't see anyone as plebs. I'm sufficiently self confident to treat everyone equally, no matter what their status in life is, or whatever their achievements. People are people and should be taken as we find them to be. As Kipling put it If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, ' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch, if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you, If all men count with you, but none too much; If you can fill the unforgiving minute With sixty seconds' worth of distance run, Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son! Some people are just . besotted with class and class warfare but I'm not one of them When Labour and their supporters can treat everyone equally and look after the interests of all, not just their hard core class driven supporters like yourself,they might gain success . |
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| Ewill | Aug 10 2015, 09:25 AM Post #213 |
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As previously stated (and ''if'' you'd read the post I replied to) I was asked a specific question about my personal circumstances and gave a personal answer. I appreciate that MY answer is an anathema to public sector workers and lefties in general Edited by Ewill, Aug 10 2015, 09:26 AM.
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| Steve K | Aug 10 2015, 10:47 AM Post #214 |
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Is that to the same extent that Essex is full of idiot stereotypers? There was a real debate going on here at one time before he silly comments started. |
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| Pro Veritas | Aug 10 2015, 03:50 PM Post #215 |
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No comment on my response to your slandering of my ideals then Steve? There's a shock. All The Best |
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| Tytoalba | Aug 10 2015, 04:25 PM Post #216 |
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Can you slander someone's ideals? I like to know these things. They are just matters of opinion and not fact. This is one for Ewiil to clarify |
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| Affa | Aug 10 2015, 05:51 PM Post #217 |
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EWill also does voluntary care work looking after the elderly and infirm .... I cannot say whether this is paid work or costs covered, but I commend them in any case. I guess it does make working with animals and holiday exploration of far distant lands even more satisfying knowing that you truly do deserve your breaks. Edited by Affa, Aug 10 2015, 05:53 PM.
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| Steve K | Aug 10 2015, 06:33 PM Post #218 |
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No post has mentioned slander. Please explain just which post of yours you are referring to. |
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| Pro Veritas | Aug 10 2015, 07:28 PM Post #219 |
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http://w11.zetaboards.com/UK_Debate_Mk_2/single/?p=8322849&t=11268495 All The Best |
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| Steve K | Aug 10 2015, 07:44 PM Post #220 |
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That's my post. Where is this allegation of slander you say I ignored? |
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| gee4444 | Aug 10 2015, 08:15 PM Post #221 |
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Fair enough. Then I'll apologise in advance for any assumptions I may make. |
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| gee4444 | Aug 10 2015, 08:28 PM Post #222 |
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To Ewill: You stated earlier: '....Normal people change job regularly.' Then followed it with '..I (Ewill) have 3 jobs, one of which has been held for 25 years...' Can I conclude therefore you are not entirely 'normal'. |
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| Affa | Aug 10 2015, 08:44 PM Post #223 |
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!dvl! .........
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| Ewill | Aug 10 2015, 09:03 PM Post #224 |
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You can ''assume'' whatever you choose to assume- your choice doesn't make it correctBefore you do however - you have no idea how the frequency with which the shorter term employment has changed , lots of people have portfolio careers (I enjoy the long term position ,nice people, give and take atmosphere ,good customer base , pays , no reason to change for the sake of it!) Affa has mentioned some out of work life all voluntary , I also take oldies to the theatre or cinema a couple of times a month just because, parties of 5 including me-maximum I can get in my car I'm well organised but flexibility is key to maintaining a full social life Didn't mention doing my horses daily as they aren't relevant to tube drivers striking at the drop of a hat and brining misery to hundreds of thousands of commuters merely trying to get to work. Tube drivers shouldn't be indispensable , the unions have manufactured the climate which should be reversed and recruitment taken from the open jobs' market so these outrageous strikes are consigned to history |
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| Steve K | Aug 10 2015, 09:13 PM Post #225 |
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Just a thought but why is being not entirely normal hinted at as being a bad thing? Who'd want to be entirely average? Not I |
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| Tigger | Aug 10 2015, 09:50 PM Post #226 |
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Really! In the past you've said certain types of bad news should not be broadcast in case it gives some folks ideas, and you consistently trot out hypocrisy and smugness and you then tell us you are self confident, try arrogant instead! Banning people from withholding their labour under threat of punitive sanctions is something no decent democratic nation should even contemplate, shame on you for putting minor inconvenience above the right to protest. And please spare us you embarrassing antiquated poetry, it makes you sound like a long dead Victorian Major.......... |
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| Tigger | Aug 10 2015, 09:54 PM Post #227 |
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I'm originally from Essex and sadly the stereotypes attached to that region have a firm basis in fact, in the same way as my comments about London and Londoners in general, and yes, not every single person conforms to this image, but the point should have been obvious to someone slightly less pedantic........ |
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| Steve K | Aug 10 2015, 09:59 PM Post #228 |
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How strange that you chose to remove your idiot post from that quote. Lets look again: what bollocks And I said idiot stereotypeRS not stereotypes. BIG difference |
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| Tigger | Aug 10 2015, 10:00 PM Post #229 |
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I'm a bit weird as I've had the same sort of job since 1983, sadly no voluntary work or charitable stuff that might impress someone at a dinner party as I've been to busy earning a living. And as we "lefties" know the "flexible" economy that requires people to do several jobs is the end result of an economy with no direction that emphasises quick profits over long term stability. Jack of all trades and a master of none......... |
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| Tigger | Aug 10 2015, 10:03 PM Post #230 |
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Sorry again Steve, I lived and worked in London for several years and sadly I have to report the place was indeed full of selfish wankers. Do I need to offer my OPINION for a third time or will you once again play semantics silly buggers?
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| Pro Veritas | Aug 10 2015, 10:08 PM Post #231 |
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And I credited you with having some intelligence. Oh, well. If you can't figure out which post I am referring to (Hint: its the one by me quoting your post) you'll never figure out the rest. All The Best |
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| Steve K | Aug 10 2015, 10:09 PM Post #232 |
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You haven't been to the London I have then. Yes there are some selfish people, there are in Harlow too. But to pursue an idiot stereotype because you are unable to properly position an argument is just mindless bigotry I know a lot of people who do or have worked in London and none fit your description, maybe you just attract the wrong sort Edited by Steve K, Aug 10 2015, 10:13 PM.
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| Rich | Aug 10 2015, 10:10 PM Post #233 |
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Yes, that just about sums up the Labour shadow cabinet. |
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| Steve K | Aug 10 2015, 10:12 PM Post #234 |
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WTF get real You are accusing me of disregarding you challenging my post as slander. Turns out there was no such allegation and you have been telling porkies since. And in effect libelling me. I saw a post about your "ideals". Didn't read it all, what did I miss? Anyway if you have a grievance either PM me or state it and if I'm wrong I'll apologise. Maybe you should for your last post. |
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| Pro Veritas | Aug 10 2015, 10:15 PM Post #235 |
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Well if you didn't read it when it was a direct challenge to your claim about my ideals why would I believe you'd read what I post now? All The Best |
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| Steve K | Aug 10 2015, 10:17 PM Post #236 |
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Well I'm replying now aren't I what's your beef? |
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| Tigger | Aug 10 2015, 10:20 PM Post #237 |
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Mindless bigotry or not, I had my home broken into three times, two vans stolen, was the victim of an attempted mugging, met indifference to the plight of others from most of the people I came into contact with, many of these folks were very wealthy btw, had numerous run ins with people who thought paying bills, ie my wages, was an optional extra and found the place a stinking shithole full of people with a large chip on their various shoulders! Just sayin' like! |
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| Tigger | Aug 10 2015, 10:21 PM Post #238 |
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Or immigrants? Damn, I spoiled your next post! |
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| Steve K | Aug 10 2015, 10:53 PM Post #239 |
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Well if it helps I agree with your post ^ |
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| disgruntled porker | Aug 11 2015, 08:21 AM Post #240 |
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Older than most people think I am.
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Hmmmmmmmm. "Doing my horses". Call me cylindrical, but that tells me a lot. So there's time to do three jobs, take old folks on outings, and do horses as well? How many hours are there in a day? You certainly don't fit the bill as the average person do you? Ex foxhunter? Probably have time to bung a spot of grouse shooting in as well? Perhaps spend a few hours a day on the yacht too? Just ribbing. !dvl! |
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doesn't make it correct
all voluntary , I also take oldies to the theatre or cinema a couple of times a month just because, parties of 5 including me-maximum I can get in my car

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