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Big Bosses are 183 times more valuable than Workers; The rich get richer and the poor belt up
Topic Started: Aug 17 2015, 07:05 AM (568 Views)
Heinrich
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It is reported today that in the Big Society of the Conservative Worker's Party, the average £5 million salary of a top company boss is a staggering 183 times higher than that of full-time workers.
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Any worker who opens his mouth will be told in an unmistakable private school accent to button his lip and quit being envious of his betters. This is how the English like it.
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Aug 18 2015, 11:32 AM
Heinrich
Aug 17 2015, 07:05 AM
It is reported today that in the Big Society of the Conservative Worker's Party, the average £5 million salary of a top company boss is a staggering 183 times higher than that of full-time workers.
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Any worker who opens his mouth will be told in an unmistakable private school accent to button his lip and quit being envious of his betters. This is how the English like it.
What's the tax take on £5m a year?

It's an awful lot more than that of the worker paid £27322 a year

Which ''individual'' is more valuable to the national pot?

There's much greater issues to get your knickers in a twist over
Are you referring to all the useful income tax the government got from banking chiefs? Jeepers.
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Aug 18 2015, 11:56 AM
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Aug 18 2015, 11:54 AM
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Aug 18 2015, 11:50 AM

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"Already inflated ego"

Seems you already have a low opinion of the boss to start with. Is it boss or is it bosses?
Well it's not always about work..being polite and punctual is it?

Most bosses are on a testosterone fuelled power trip..
Most bosses are on a testosterone fuelled power trip.

Not much point in discussing anything if you have such a clearly prejudiced starting point. That has not been my experience at all. Either I am lucky or you are just bitter.
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Aug 18 2015, 12:20 PM
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Aug 18 2015, 11:56 AM
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Well it's not always about work..being polite and punctual is it?

Most bosses are on a testosterone fuelled power trip..
Most bosses are on a testosterone fuelled power trip.

Not much point in discussing anything if you have such a clearly prejudiced starting point. That has not been my experience at all. Either I am lucky or you are just bitter.
Not bitter..just a realist..seen so much of it..not in one place..but virtually every place I have worked..it is called ''office politics''..I am surprised you have never encountered them...
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Maybe it's a difference in the nature of where I work. I suppsoe if you have a number of people that are equally skilled that kind of thing is prevalent. Where i work the skill levels are quite clear so politicing offers nothing as it is the ability that makes the difference
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c'mon..there must be some sort of a bun fight about who is the cleverest..
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And gets to lick the bosses ass?
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Aug 18 2015, 12:23 PM
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Most bosses are on a testosterone fuelled power trip.

Not much point in discussing anything if you have such a clearly prejudiced starting point. That has not been my experience at all. Either I am lucky or you are just bitter.
Not bitter..just a realist..seen so much of it..not in one place..but virtually every place I have worked..it is called ''office politics''..I am surprised you have never encountered them...
Some years back while a full time uni. student I also did some agency work and was seconded to a firm doing 'wet fill' products and aerosols. One of the female shift bosses and me got on very well, and because I had a few brain cells between my lugs she put me on monitoring line production, wastage, and damages; she also had me check back on old record keeping.

It pretty soon appeared to me that there was some big time fiddling going on. Not the small time stuff an individual on a line might get up to, but ambitious co-ordinated stuff amounting well into a six figure sum per annum. It also included the deposits on the many returned palettes [undamaged/damaged], and the huge numbers of 'returned' boxes that attracted deposits and returns. I found myself engaged in sleuthing and discovered that the folks engaged in controlling the criminal 'empire' were very unpopular amongst the workforce for the general way they were treated by them. The trail led to the most senior production manager and the owner-managers [husband and wife] of the Agency. They were already well paid, and yet they wanted more, and were prepared to take short cuts for it.

The shit hit the fan, and they got the boot.
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Mine didn't get the boot..we were getting meat from really dubious sources..they knew what time 32 tons were to be delivered and always made sure they were present..

I'd book it in..next day I'd find it was deleted..
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Aug 17 2015, 06:25 PM
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Aug 17 2015, 04:08 PM


Hands up who hopes to win the National or EU lottery and become filthy rich overnight. ?

I was once in a check queue where some bloke, getting on in years, was having his lottery tickets scanned. I can't accurately say how many, but the length of time it took suggests more than few tenners ........ imo anyone who can afford to spend say £50 per draw on the lottery doesn't have need to buy a single one.



What's the difference between that and someone putting £50 on the 6 dog for the 2.30 at Wimbledon dogs?

Using your strange logic the bookies/casino punter doesn't ''need'' to bet
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Aug 18 2015, 01:04 PM
And gets to lick the bosses ass?
Thinking about it it may just be that I have a blind spot for that type of thing.
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Hands up who hopes to win the National or EU lottery and become filthy rich overnight. ?

I was once in a check queue where some bloke, getting on in years, was having his lottery tickets scanned. I can't accurately say how many, but the length of time it took suggests more than few tenners ........ imo anyone who can afford to spend say £50 per draw on the lottery doesn't have need to buy a single one.



What's the difference between that and someone putting £50 on the 6 dog for the 2.30 at Wimbledon dogs?

Using your strange logic the bookies/casino punter doesn't ''need'' to bet
Maybe because I need to know what they are doing,,in case any higher up bosses ask questions??
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Aug 18 2015, 02:15 PM
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And gets to lick the bosses ass?
Thinking about it it may just be that I have a blind spot for that type of thing.
Don't really want to know.. !wav!
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Aug 18 2015, 11:35 AM
..and if I was 18 again..I would seriously brush up on my brown nosing skills..believe me..it works...
Don't it just ...... and ime it matters not ia jot whether they are capable or good at the job. All that is required of them is that they make themselves appear to be competent.

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Aug 18 2015, 11:41 AM
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I suspect that one of the issues affecting opinion on this matter is class and the old school tie thing. How prevalent this is I do not know. It is easy to snipe from the sidelines. The key issue is how are these people selected and how do they get where they are. If it is genuinely on merit then it could well be that these wages truly are what is necessary to get talent. The reality is that judging this one way or another is next to impossible so people will rest upon whatever anecdotes support their preconception.
I have worked for large companies..and if I was 18 again..I would seriously brush up on my brown nosing skills..believe me..it works...
Maybe but keeping your boss happy is one of the simplest ways of making the day go smoothly and just getting on. Where is the line between that and brown nosing?
But you see, government whips get in the way of independent thought and that creates brown nosing, Jeremy Corbyn defied the whips more times than not......he seems quite popular to me.
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Aug 17 2015, 07:05 AM
It is reported today that in the Big Society of the Conservative Worker's Party, the average £5 million salary of a top company boss is a staggering 183 times higher than that of full-time workers.
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Any worker who opens his mouth will be told in an unmistakable private school accent to button his lip and quit being envious of his betters. This is how the English like it.


No doubt that its the same in Switzerland or Russia but if you get to make a snarky comment with the word ' English' in it then ( to you) it must be worth posting.
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Aug 18 2015, 06:50 PM
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Aug 17 2015, 07:05 AM
It is reported today that in the Big Society of the Conservative Worker's Party, the average £5 million salary of a top company boss is a staggering 183 times higher than that of full-time workers.
Morning Star
Any worker who opens his mouth will be told in an unmistakable private school accent to button his lip and quit being envious of his betters. This is how the English like it.


No doubt that its the same in Switzerland or Russia but if you get to make a snarky comment with the word ' English' in it then ( to you) it must be worth posting.
The clue to Heinrich's negative bias may lie in the newspaper that article came from, the Morning Star; in a previous life it was known as the Daily Worker and part funded and underwritten by the Kremlin.

Since the Scots mostly vote Nats. or Labour, they can't be too bad, indeed they may be construed as historic victims of land clearances and of Culloden; all the dirty Tory voting English fault of course.

It was an English Empire, and the English only took out, they put nothing in. White Anglo-Saxon males are the cause of everything that is wrong in the world, don't ya knows? Well us and the Jews.
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Aug 18 2015, 08:58 AM
So if you take one of the workers from one of these companies and ask them if they want their favourite football team to have a £5M a year top notch striker or Derek Dobbo from League 2 for £50k a year and guess what they'll say

So why should it be different for company leadership? If you want top performers that'll work all hours of all days to drive the company forward rather than someone that'll let it slide into liquidation then you are going to find they don't grow on trees. Talent costs

Seems the NHS has to settle for nurse Derek Dobbo !

Remind us again how Lord Simpson earned his top notch salary ?
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It is reported today that in the Big Society of the Conservative Worker's Party, the average £5 million salary of a top company boss is a staggering 183 times higher than that of full-time workers.
Morning Star
Any worker who opens his mouth will be told in an unmistakable private school accent to button his lip and quit being envious of his betters. This is how the English like it.


No doubt that its the same in Switzerland or Russia but if you get to make a snarky comment with the word ' English' in it then ( to you) it must be worth posting.
The clue to Heinrich's negative bias may lie in the newspaper that article came from, the Morning Star; in a previous life it was known as the Daily Worker and part funded and underwritten by the Kremlin.

Since the Scots mostly vote Nats. or Labour, they can't be too bad, indeed they may be construed as historic victims of land clearances and of Culloden; all the dirty Tory voting English fault of course.

It was an English Empire, and the English only took out, they put nothing in. White Anglo-Saxon males are the cause of everything that is wrong in the world, don't ya knows? Well us and the Jews.


White males were and are just as ' toxic' in Heinrichs neck of the woods.
The Scots played a large part in the British empire. There were a lot of Scottish military and administrators . Also the ordinary English people were considered or treated no better than the Scots and for some part , the people of the British Empire.
I dont think Heinrich's bias lies in an article in the Morning Star..I think Heinrich's bias lies in his ignorance and these cause him to seek out articles that are as ignorant and bias as him..wherever they come from.
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Aug 18 2015, 07:28 PM
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So if you take one of the workers from one of these companies and ask them if they want their favourite football team to have a £5M a year top notch striker or Derek Dobbo from League 2 for £50k a year and guess what they'll say

So why should it be different for company leadership? If you want top performers that'll work all hours of all days to drive the company forward rather than someone that'll let it slide into liquidation then you are going to find they don't grow on trees. Talent costs

Seems the NHS has to settle for nurse Derek Dobbo !

Remind us again how Lord Simpson earned his top notch salary ?
Didn't he get fired and never worked again?
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I'm inclined to disregard anything posted here that is either linked to the Daily Mail or the Telegraph as nothing more than Tory propaganda BS ........ this clearly is so, and no Tory can complain about having such a disregard as they must practice as they preach .....
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So if you take one of the workers from one of these companies and ask them if they want their favourite football team to have a £5M a year top notch striker or Derek Dobbo from League 2 for £50k a year and guess what they'll say

So why should it be different for company leadership? If you want top performers that'll work all hours of all days to drive the company forward rather than someone that'll let it slide into liquidation then you are going to find they don't grow on trees. Talent costs

Seems the NHS has to settle for nurse Derek Dobbo !

Remind us again how Lord Simpson earned his top notch salary ?
Didn't he get fired and never worked again?
I think he got a life peerage and spent it in the house of Lords where he could further screw up our laws.

You see, I don't have a problem at all with the Steve Jobs, the Bill Gates, the Richard Bransons of this world earning billions.

But the majority of these FTSE100 directors are just career businessmen who's only ambition is to earn money. For them, the provision of goods or services ranks alongside paying tax as just one of those annoying things you have to do to make money.

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I think SteveK pretty much covered it in one of his earlier posts....


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Anyway it seems those top 100 chief execs are on av £5M and employing on average 60,000+ people. That works out at about 2p per employee per week - and they'll be paying ~ £2M average in income tax each. I can find better things to get outraged about.
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Didn't he get fired and never worked again?
I think he got a life peerage and spent it in the house of Lords where he could further screw up our laws.

You see, I don't have a problem at all with the Steve Jobs, the Bill Gates, the Richard Bransons of this world earning billions.

But the majority of these FTSE100 directors are just career businessmen who's only ambition is to earn money. For them, the provision of goods or services ranks alongside paying tax as just one of those annoying things you have to do to make money.

You've done an extensive survey have you or just over focussed on the known failures?



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The clue to Heinrich's negative bias may lie in the newspaper that article came from, the Morning Star; in a previous life it was known as the Daily Worker and part funded and underwritten by the Kremlin. ...
What is inaccurate in the newspaper report I cited, Oddball2?
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Most bosses are on a testosterone fuelled power trip..
A few might be but most are just trying to keep track of what is going on around them, and it's an impossibility to keep everyone happy.
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The clue to Heinrich's negative bias may lie in the newspaper that article came from, the Morning Star; in a previous life it was known as the Daily Worker and part funded and underwritten by the Kremlin.

Since the Scots mostly vote Nats. or Labour, they can't be too bad, indeed they may be construed as historic victims of land clearances and of Culloden; all the dirty Tory voting English fault of course.

It was an English Empire, and the English only took out, they put nothing in. White Anglo-Saxon males are the cause of everything that is wrong in the world, don't ya knows? Well us and the Jews.


White males were and are just as ' toxic' in Heinrichs neck of the woods.
The Scots played a large part in the British empire. There were a lot of Scottish military and administrators . Also the ordinary English people were considered or treated no better than the Scots and for some part , the people of the British Empire.
I dont think Heinrich's bias lies in an article in the Morning Star..I think Heinrich's bias lies in his ignorance and these cause him to seek out articles that are as ignorant and bias as him..wherever they come from.
But it is only shite if you listen to it.
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White males were and are just as ' toxic' in Heinrichs neck of the woods.
The Scots played a large part in the British empire. There were a lot of Scottish military and administrators . Also the ordinary English people were considered or treated no better than the Scots and for some part , the people of the British Empire.
I dont think Heinrich's bias lies in an article in the Morning Star..I think Heinrich's bias lies in his ignorance and these cause him to seek out articles that are as ignorant and bias as him..wherever they come from.
But it is only shite if you listen to it.


Bias and ignorant assumptions posing as facts should still be pointed out .
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