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| Corbyn will apologise for Iraq War on behalf of Labour if he win | |
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| Topic Started: Aug 20 2015, 10:02 PM (623 Views) | |
| Phoenix One UK | Aug 20 2015, 10:02 PM Post #1 |
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Jeremy Corbyn will apologise for Iraq War on behalf of Labour if he wins leadership contest Labour leader frontrunner Jeremy Corbyn has promised to apologise for the Iraq War on behalf of the party if he becomes leader. Corbyn will issue a statement saying sorry for the invasion of Iraq if he wins the battle to succeed Ed Miliband as party leader in the hotly contested race. He told the Guardian: "... it is past time that Labour apologised to the British people for taking them into the Iraq war on the basis of deception and to the Iraqi people for the suffering we have helped cause. Under our Labour, we will make this apology." “Let us say we will never again unnecessarily put our troops under fire and our country’s standing in the world at risk. Let us make it clear that Labour will never make the same mistake again, will never flout the United Nations and international law,” he said. http://www.cityam.com/222759/jeremy-corbyn-will-apologise-iraq-war-behalf-labour-if-he-wins-leadership-contest Unquote:=========================== This should prove interesting, and I doubt Blair would be impressed. I wrote an article on Tony Blair's action. A copy can be found here: http://democracyforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=74044 |
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| Phoenix One UK | Aug 20 2015, 10:14 PM Post #2 |
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Chilcot inquiry: Leading figures in British political Establishment accused of plotting to discredit investigation into Iraq war http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chilcot-inquiry-leading-figures-in-british-political-establishment-accused-of-plotting-to-discredit-investigation-into-iraq-war-10462894.html Unquote:====================== I believe this one is relevant to thread. |
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| Heinrich | Aug 20 2015, 10:24 PM Post #3 |
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I am convinced that only Jeremy Corbyn can redeem the honor of the Labour Party. He has stirred up a hornets' nest of the rich, powerful, ruling class in England and they will make him pay the price with all the influence at their command. |
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| The Buccaneer | Aug 20 2015, 11:44 PM Post #4 |
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'Honour', 'Labour' ? If it comes to that, honour + any political party is clearly an oxymoron. Corbyn would appear to be a throwback to a bygone age, utterly immune to social or political change. The same mentality led to the death of Communism, so it would appear that a similar fate awaits Labour. I just hope they let it die quietly, I hate the sounds of slow, strangulating, blaming and noissome extinction ! |
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| Rich | Aug 21 2015, 12:09 AM Post #5 |
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I can't stop laughing mate, here we have Mr Corbyn saying that if he does become leader then he expects the party to stand four square behind him.......and this from a a man that defied the labour whips over 500 times, you could not make it up, at first I thought that Labour party supporters were just jesting with the other 3 contenders, now it has gotten serious, I cannot imagine what will happen to the Labour party if he wins as it seems that he is ignorant of the fact that the electorate are no fools when it comes to a GE. |
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| Lewis | Aug 21 2015, 07:26 AM Post #6 |
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Of course a good proportion of the electorate are gullible fools. They believed all the downright lies being propagated by the Tory incompetents and supposedly elected Scameron! Bloody idiots! |
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| Lewis | Aug 21 2015, 07:29 AM Post #7 |
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Labour have nothing to apologise for. It was a legal war and I fully expect that that is the conclusion Chilcot will come to. Edited by Lewis, Aug 21 2015, 07:30 AM.
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| Oddball | Aug 21 2015, 07:40 AM Post #8 |
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Yes, indeed 'we' were dragged into the mess that is Iraq by means that were a tad short of truthfulness. It seems clear to me that the fractious and cobbled up country needed some sort of Mk.10 bastard of a dictator type to keep it from entirely blowing apart - they should have been allowed to keep Sod Him Hussein. It is a pity he wasn't only a tyrant to his own folks, but also to his neighbours from time-to-time - but there you go, we can't have a perfect world. ps. Heinrich - You seem to be quite a fan of Corbyn - does he have Scottish ancestry, perchance? |
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| Cymru | Aug 21 2015, 07:52 AM Post #9 |
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Long overdue. Glad Corbyn has the guts to do this unlike the Blairite shills who are his opponents. |
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| AndyK | Aug 21 2015, 07:55 AM Post #10 |
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He may apologise as Labour leader, if he ever became prime minister he will switch to being pro-Iraq war or any any other war his new bosses may wish to impose on him. |
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| Oddball | Aug 21 2015, 07:58 AM Post #11 |
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I trust it is only because Blair told porkies and not because Saddam was some sort of good thing for Iraq and the neighbours? |
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| johnofgwent | Aug 21 2015, 08:46 AM Post #12 |
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Corbyn is no doubt entirely of the opinion it is the party, and their whips, who is out of tune with him. Given the mendacity of the leadership since the death of John Smith, I think he might be right |
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| Tytoalba | Aug 21 2015, 09:03 AM Post #13 |
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The majority of the electorate are sensible people. To claim otherwise just because they support a party not of your liking is naïve. If they were voting for the labour party they would not suddenly become wise and well informed would they, they would be the same people doing what they think best for themselves and their country, Fortunately the people you describe have to be in the minority |
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| Tytoalba | Aug 21 2015, 09:08 AM Post #14 |
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All tis apologising serves no purpose at all. It changes nothing of the past , does not resurrect one corpse, wipe away one tear. Regret by all means, accept ones error of judgement, but for heavens sake move on. |
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| C-too | Aug 21 2015, 09:26 AM Post #15 |
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An intelligent explanation by Corbyn of how the Iraq situation should have been handled might give some credibility to his position. Of course, no such explanation will be given, allowing him to appeal mostly to the naïve while ignoring the reality of that situation. |
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| C-too | Aug 21 2015, 09:35 AM Post #16 |
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I have asked a number of people who have accused Blair of being a serial liar to produce a short list of his lies, so far there have been no takers. Maybe Chilcott will reveal some porkies ?
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| Heinrich | Aug 21 2015, 09:43 AM Post #17 |
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Yes, indeed, and bear in mind that the other three contenders all supported the illegal invasion of Iraq. Frankly, I do not know how they can show their faces in public. |
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| C-too | Aug 21 2015, 09:52 AM Post #18 |
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Your first point ---- "The Prime Minister threatened and used violence in the form of military action against Iraq to establish authority". ---- is incorrect. The international community via UN Res. 1441. Threatened the use of violence in an attempt to get full cooperation. Res. 1441 (2002) was a FINAL opportunity for Saddam to fully comply with the ceasefire agreement. An immediate and proactive approach was required by Saddam. In March 2003 Saddam was still in breach of the ceasefire agreement. Still in breach of UN Res. 1441. |
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| Phoenix One UK | Aug 21 2015, 10:06 AM Post #19 |
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True. But those who fail to learn from history are destined to repeat it. An apology goes some way to admitting they were wrong, and in doing so, maybe, just maybe, such will never be repeated. |
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| Lewis | Aug 21 2015, 01:38 PM Post #20 |
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Well how can anyone who has a reasonable degree of intelligence believe the liars? The latest wheeze about the DWP putting out false claims about people being sanctioned is a prime example. Trust a lying Tory government - never! |
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| marybrown | Aug 21 2015, 01:44 PM Post #21 |
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What the hell is apologising going to do?? Empty gesture... |
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| Affa | Aug 21 2015, 01:50 PM Post #22 |
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All of which ignores that the UN vote was to use force and only prevented from being authorised by veto. Whatever Blair believed the same can be said of the rest, the UN, and even the French - who when using the veto remained on board with the condition that Saddam had to be prevented from pursuing WMD capabilities. The trial and execution established 'why' should anyone still believe that there was another option. |
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| Alberich | Aug 21 2015, 02:11 PM Post #23 |
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Well, it is at least debatable that had not the west deposed Sadam, there would be no ISIS (or whatever they call themselves today) And if Gadaffi was still in power, the nation would not have disintegrated, and there would not be the problem we have with migration across the Med. I know that these two were despots of the worst kind, but can we claim that we have improved the lot of the people they ruled? The west interferes with the best of intentions, but once the military part if over (and that is easy enough), what follows is never what we expect. Middle east nations do not do western style democracy, and what follows is often as bad, or worse, than the original target. We never seem to learn; as evidenced by Libya, and by Iraq, not to mention Afghanistan. |
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| Heinrich | Aug 21 2015, 02:17 PM Post #24 |
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You can say that again. |
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| marybrown | Aug 21 2015, 02:18 PM Post #25 |
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Can anyone tell me..why a person who had absolutely nothing to do with the mess in the Middle East should apologise.. Shouldn't it be Tony Blair??? |
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| Steve K | Aug 21 2015, 02:35 PM Post #26 |
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As it happens this is one area where Corbyn is at least part right. Blair should have apologised for going to war when the information was wrong But Corbers as is becoming usual, tells more lies with his stories of "deception" and "flouting the United Nations and international law.” It was a fuck up Corbers, the key active deception was by Iraq itself that stupidly fanned the WMD stories to keep Iran nervous. But to another Jeremy. I see Jeremy Hardy the comedian is making a joke of himself by whining that he's been filtered out of voting in this contest. Seems J Hardy has forgotten when he publicly campaigned for people to not vote Labour but for the 'Socialist Alliance' instead. What a prat. |
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| C-too | Aug 21 2015, 04:30 PM Post #27 |
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The West get involved for either humanitarian reasons as in Libya, or for self interest/international reasons as in Iraq. It's just too easy for so many to stand in judgement after the fact. |
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| papasmurf | Aug 21 2015, 04:36 PM Post #28 |
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The latest is a long line of lies from the DWP. Snippets from this link. http://newsroom.cipr.co.uk/cipr-president-responds-to-reports-on-the-use-of-fabricated-quotes-and-images-in-benefits-sanctions-campaign/ The Chartered Institute of Public Relations (CIPR) has launched an investigation into the DWP after benefit claimant testimonies on leaflets were found to be fabricated. The body has written to DWP asking whether it had any part in the production of the leaflet which featured fake benefits claimants ‘Zac’ and ‘Sarah’. The President of the Chartered Institute of Public Relations (CIPR), Sarah Pinch FCIPR MIOD, has responded to a report first published by Welfare Weekly, that the Department for Work & Pensions (DWP) fabricated quotes and images in information packs on benefits sanctions, issuing the following statement. Sarah Pinch FCIPR, CIPR President 2015 Falsely creating the impression of independent, popular support is a naïve and opaque technique which blatantly disregards the CIPR’s standards of ethical conduct. It is deeply disappointing if public relations professionals allowed it to be published. All CIPR Members are publicly accountable for the standard of their professional conduct, and the conduct of those under their management. This accountability is a valuable asset to the public, to Members and to those who employ them. Honest regard for the public interest; delivering reliable and accurate information; and never misleading clients, employers or others are vital components of proper professional practice. Any CIPR Member found to be breaking any of our ethical principles, will be held accountable for their actions. Sarah Pinch FCIPR, CIPR President 2015 |
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| Phoenix One UK | Aug 21 2015, 04:41 PM Post #29 |
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After the fact? Most was made public on global scale. Here is one just out that you will not like: http://www.londonlovesbusiness.com/business-news/politics/5-debacles-the-labour-party-should-apologise-for/10902.article Enjoy!
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| Cymru | Aug 21 2015, 04:42 PM Post #30 |
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As the Parliamentary Labour Party was out of touch with the values of the greater Labour Party, Corbyn, as a true Labourite, was right to rebel against the Labour whips. |
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| Steve K | Aug 21 2015, 04:58 PM Post #31 |
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^That'd be the greater Labour party that overwhelmingly voted out Corbynista visions of clause 4. Awkward fact that for some. He's a fringe extremist and repeated traitor to his own professed party. His loyalty has been to the Islington branch of the Socialist Workers Party masquerading as Labour About as trustable as a rattle snake |
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| Cymru | Aug 21 2015, 05:16 PM Post #32 |
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Another awkward fact is that this same greater Labour Party are overwhelmingly in favour of this man, even after his stated desire to bring back clause 4, becoming the next leader of their party. |
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| marybrown | Aug 21 2015, 05:18 PM Post #33 |
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We'll see..he is very dodgy..and about as interesting as watching paint dry.. |
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| C-too | Aug 21 2015, 06:31 PM Post #34 |
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Oh for Fks sake, here we go again. A load of sh!te posing as an objective assessment. Maybe there is one accusation that has some credibility, if so I challenge you to single it out and substantiate it. |
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| C-too | Aug 21 2015, 06:38 PM Post #35 |
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The only thing that might be considered positive about Corbyn is that he has taken the roll of Pied Piper away from that other numbskull Farage. Both of whom appeal to the naïve and the malcontent. |
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| C-too | Aug 21 2015, 06:41 PM Post #36 |
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Can we have your definition of a "true labourite" ? |
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| C-too | Aug 21 2015, 06:41 PM Post #37 |
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Can we have your definition of a "true labourite" ? |
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| Pro Veritas | Aug 21 2015, 06:46 PM Post #38 |
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Well you can start with "Not right of the political centre". A right wing labour party is about as valid as a kosher pork-pie. All The Best |
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| C-too | Aug 21 2015, 06:54 PM Post #39 |
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I absolutely do not recognise a right-wing Labour party. Perhaps you would you care to name one Labour government that did not work within the capitalist system ? I think your pork pies were devoured in north eastern Europe.
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| Steve K | Aug 21 2015, 07:04 PM Post #40 |
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You mean the greater Labour party PLUS tories various that have signed up PLUS Socialist Workers party activists that have signed up etc etc It's a farce and you know it |
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