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Labour Leadership Contest; merged thread
Topic Started: May 15 2015, 01:02 PM (2,198 Views)
Tytoalba
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Chuka Umunna withdraws Labour leader bid, Who is left to lead them? The BBC has been attacking UKIP and Farrage for days, but at least they have a leader. Labour are in a state of uncertainty, and we do need a good opposition in the HOC,
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Burnham is the union's choice. Say no more???????
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Heinrich
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Lead what?
New Labour stands for nothing different from Conservatism.
New Labour needs to get its act together before they ask for anyone to assume a leadership role.
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Heinrich
May 15 2015, 03:14 PM
Lead what?
New Labour stands for nothing different from Conservatism.
New Labour needs to get its act together before they ask for anyone to assume a leadership role.
If that's your opinion it just shows how the electorate dislikes the old left. Forget the dogma concentrate on the middle ground for all paopl
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May 15 2015, 03:14 PM
Lead what?
New Labour stands for nothing different from Conservatism.
New Labour needs to get its act together before they ask for anyone to assume a leadership role.
There is an old English saying, when you know nowt say nowt. In saying that New Labour stand for nothing different from Conservatism, you clearly know nowt about New Labour.

I suspect you are so far left on the political scale you are simply not in a position to judge New Labour.
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May 15 2015, 01:58 PM
Burnham is the union's choice. Say no more???????
I don't think the unions are in a position to screw it up again, it's possibly the one thing we can thank Mr Ed for. :)
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May 15 2015, 01:58 PM
Burnham is the union's choice. Say no more???????
Yes, looks like game over, a move to the Left and obscurity for Labour.

Having said that he looks and conducts more like a leader than anything else they have to offer and for that matter more like a leader than many UK parties have to offer
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Rumours that the extreme left in Labour were spreading the dirt about Chukka's sexuality. A McBride styled ploy that we all know now was Labour's once stock in trade. Must admit he looked/looks very straight too me, but I have very little experience of such matters.

Burnham will be another Milliband styled gift to the Tories and they will chew the hypocrite up and spit the bits out. Unless of course he flip flops again and becomes a closet left wing Tory. But me thinks you can flip flop once too often.





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Better they choose a quick witted, well educated fellow with a comedy past. I'd like to see Jerry Sadowitz opposite the PM on Wednesdays. Not to bash Cammer's upcoming policies (no bloody point, he rarely answers a question on them anyway) but to simply rip the piss out of him once a week.

Does anyone really think NL will lurch to the left after a GE that proves England has lurched to the right? Even the media labelled left wing candidate, Burnham (an absurd idea that he's left wing by the way) will aim to attract the English voter and so will be forced to adopt a right wing stance.
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May 15 2015, 01:58 PM
Burnham is the union's choice. Say no more???????
Have a listen to Lord (Chris) Smith's view on Mr Burnham.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05tpz7d#auto

Of course, it must be said that whether or not Smith's opinions carry any weight is another matter entirely as he quickly sunk without a trace.

And further to the above, please have a listen to the following comments from a successful businessman who has become very disillusioned with the Labour party, it is not very flattering to say the least.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05tpz7d#auto
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May 15 2015, 07:01 PM
Alberich
May 15 2015, 01:58 PM
Burnham is the union's choice. Say no more???????
Have a listen to Lord (Chris) Smith's view on Mr Burnham.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05tpz7d#auto

Of course, it must be said that whether or not Smith's opinions carry any weight is another matter entirely as he quickly sunk without a trace.

And further to the above, please have a listen to the following comments from a successful businessman who has become very disillusioned with the Labour party, it is not very flattering to say the least.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05tpz7d#auto
Do you have a time range on that 1st recording where Burnham is discussed? Thank you.
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May 15 2015, 03:14 PM
Lead what?
New Labour stands for nothing different from Conservatism.
New Labour needs to get its act together before they ask for anyone to assume a leadership role.
Miliband attempted to reverse the Blair trend towards Conservatism and failed. The middle class electorate are not interested in a return to pre-Blair Labour and Socialism, and that is what Miliband found out to his peril.
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May 15 2015, 07:37 PM
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May 15 2015, 07:01 PM
Alberich
May 15 2015, 01:58 PM
Burnham is the union's choice. Say no more???????
Have a listen to Lord (Chris) Smith's view on Mr Burnham.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05tpz7d#auto

Of course, it must be said that whether or not Smith's opinions carry any weight is another matter entirely as he quickly sunk without a trace.

And further to the above, please have a listen to the following comments from a successful businessman who has become very disillusioned with the Labour party, it is not very flattering to say the least.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05tpz7d#auto
Do you have a time range on that 1st recording where Burnham is discussed? Thank you.
Certainly, it begins at 35 mins and 42 secs in. !wav!
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May 15 2015, 06:24 PM
Rumours that the extreme left in Labour were spreading the dirt about Chukka's sexuality. A McBride styled ploy that we all know now was Labour's once stock in trade. Must admit he looked/looks very straight too me, but I have very little experience of such matters.

Burnham will be another Milliband styled gift to the Tories and they will chew the hypocrite up and spit the bits out. Unless of course he flip flops again and becomes a closet left wing Tory. But me thinks you can flip flop once too often.





Perhaps the Sunday papers will reveal all.
For a man of ambition to throw his hat in the ring one day, to seek selection for the leadership of his party, and remove it the next, claiming media harassment, does seem to be a little strange. When he is interviewed on the matter on public TV he may well have a reasonable explanation for his actions.
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May 15 2015, 10:34 PM
RJD
May 15 2015, 06:24 PM
Rumours that the extreme left in Labour were spreading the dirt about Chukka's sexuality. A McBride styled ploy that we all know now was Labour's once stock in trade. Must admit he looked/looks very straight too me, but I have very little experience of such matters.

Burnham will be another Milliband styled gift to the Tories and they will chew the hypocrite up and spit the bits out. Unless of course he flip flops again and becomes a closet left wing Tory. But me thinks you can flip flop once too often.





Perhaps the Sunday papers will reveal all.
For a man of ambition to throw his hat in the ring one day, to seek selection for the leadership of his party, and remove it the next, claiming media harassment, does seem to be a little strange. When he is interviewed on the matter on public TV he may well have a reasonable explanation for his actions.
There is more to this than meets the eye, only 3 days ago that man was living on ambition and you could see that nothing could stop him from trying, he has never shied away from interviews in front of cameras before, question time never fazed him, so, it seems to me that someone somewhere has dug up some "dirt" on the man......let him who has never sinned cast the first stone,......beware the accusers.
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Tytoalba
May 15 2015, 01:02 PM
Chuka Umunna withdraws Labour leader bid, Who is left to lead them? The BBC has been attacking UKIP and Farrage for days, but at least they have a leader. Labour are in a state of uncertainty, and we do need a good opposition in the HOC,
The BBC need to start to become the impartial organisation we pay them to be. All through the election they were on UKIPs back and now they smell blood, what the hell are they on? Report the news stop trying to make it up FGS!!!!
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May 15 2015, 06:24 PM
Rumours that the extreme left in Labour were spreading the dirt about Chukka's sexuality. A McBride styled ploy that we all know now was Labour's once stock in trade. Must admit he looked/looks very straight too me, but I have very little experience of such matters.






What about your gardener Will? You know the muscular science graduate that "pulls up your weeds."

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May 15 2015, 10:45 PM
RJD
May 15 2015, 06:24 PM
Rumours that the extreme left in Labour were spreading the dirt about Chukka's sexuality. A McBride styled ploy that we all know now was Labour's once stock in trade. Must admit he looked/looks very straight too me, but I have very little experience of such matters.






What about your gardener Will? You know the muscular science graduate that "pulls up your weeds."

As an aside, do you consider it better to live in this country or Europe, I would like you to answer both as a family man and also as an owner of an SME and employer, don't be shy, I would like a frank and honest answer from you.
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May 15 2015, 11:03 PM
]As an aside, do you consider it better to live in this country or Europe, I would like you to answer both as a family man and also as an owner of an SME and employer, don't be shy, I would like a frank and honest answer from you.
Here in the UK.

And copying things that work from abroad or adopting better practice in just about anything is what I want to see, I see no borders in this respect.

I've zero time for bone headed patriotism, tradition, or puffed up false pride because none of these things put food on the table, pay the bills or keep a roof over your head.
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May 15 2015, 08:06 PM
Heinrich
May 15 2015, 03:14 PM
Lead what?
New Labour stands for nothing different from Conservatism.
New Labour needs to get its act together before they ask for anyone to assume a leadership role.
Miliband attempted to reverse the Blair trend towards Conservatism and failed. The middle class electorate are not interested in a return to pre-Blair Labour and Socialism, and that is what Miliband found out to his peril.
Your signature sums it up. Labour should die standing rather than on it's knees. Get back to core principles. If the voters don't want it, as your points correctly stated, then the Tory party it is.  !hde!

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Rumours that the extreme left in Labour were spreading the dirt about Chukka's sexuality. A McBride styled ploy that we all know now was Labour's once stock in trade. Must admit he looked/looks very straight too me, but I have very little experience of such matters.






What about your gardener Will? You know the muscular science graduate that "pulls up your weeds."

!jk!
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May 15 2015, 11:13 PM
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May 15 2015, 11:03 PM
]As an aside, do you consider it better to live in this country or Europe, I would like you to answer both as a family man and also as an owner of an SME and employer, don't be shy, I would like a frank and honest answer from you.
Here in the UK.

And copying things that work from abroad or adopting better practice in just about anything is what I want to see, I see no borders in this respect.

I've zero time for bone headed patriotism, tradition, or puffed up false pride because none of these things put food on the table, pay the bills or keep a roof over your head.
Thank you for your candour, we at least now know exactly where you are coming from, you want all the benefits of living in this free and fair democratic society but at the same time you are willing to see it governed by an unelected body in Brussels who merely tell our truly elected government what they can and cannot do.
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May 15 2015, 11:36 PM
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May 15 2015, 11:13 PM
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May 15 2015, 11:03 PM
]As an aside, do you consider it better to live in this country or Europe, I would like you to answer both as a family man and also as an owner of an SME and employer, don't be shy, I would like a frank and honest answer from you.
Here in the UK.

And copying things that work from abroad or adopting better practice in just about anything is what I want to see, I see no borders in this respect.

I've zero time for bone headed patriotism, tradition, or puffed up false pride because none of these things put food on the table, pay the bills or keep a roof over your head.
Thank you for your candour, we at least now know exactly where you are coming from, you want all the benefits of living in this free and fair democratic society but at the same time you are willing to see it governed by an unelected body in Brussels who merely tell our truly elected government what they can and cannot do.
Unelected in Brussels? Is that true?

True election result in the UK you say. A ruling majority from 24% of eligible votes. I think a 40% requirement is necessary.
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Tytoalba
May 15 2015, 10:34 PM
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May 15 2015, 06:24 PM
Rumours that the extreme left in Labour were spreading the dirt about Chukka's sexuality. A McBride styled ploy that we all know now was Labour's once stock in trade. Must admit he looked/looks very straight too me, but I have very little experience of such matters.

Burnham will be another Milliband styled gift to the Tories and they will chew the hypocrite up and spit the bits out. Unless of course he flip flops again and becomes a closet left wing Tory. But me thinks you can flip flop once too often.





Perhaps the Sunday papers will reveal all.
For a man of ambition to throw his hat in the ring one day, to seek selection for the leadership of his party, and remove it the next, claiming media harassment, does seem to be a little strange. When he is interviewed on the matter on public TV he may well have a reasonable explanation for his actions.
Or maybe there are some skeletons rattling round in that family tree ...


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May 15 2015, 11:31 PM
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May 15 2015, 10:45 PM
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May 15 2015, 06:24 PM
Rumours that the extreme left in Labour were spreading the dirt about Chukka's sexuality. A McBride styled ploy that we all know now was Labour's once stock in trade. Must admit he looked/looks very straight too me, but I have very little experience of such matters.






What about your gardener Will? You know the muscular science graduate that "pulls up your weeds."

!jk!
I do not subscribe to the ground shifting or the technique to spreading guilt by association or and of your smoke and mirrors tactics. Best stay on topic as wether my gardener is straight, bent, Tory or God forgive Labour is irrelevant to this thread and moreover my reference.

I saw Chukka on TV last night and he came over as articulate and a normal sort of Guy and his girlfriend quiet feminine. I suspect smear. That said in the papers Chukka has in the past admitted a number of youthful misdeeds, so he is human.

Best comment I have seen is that the Labour Westminster Leadership Mafia appear to live inside the M25, rarely venturing outside, are Oxbridge types praising each other for being "oh so clever" and the nearest they get to real people is on the odd occasion when they collect their dry cleaning. Yes we know the Tories have servants to do such things for them.

If Labour thinks that a Burnham can take us back to the politics of the 1970s then they have not yet twigged the degree that the World has changed in the intervening period and the electorate with it. Old Labour should be dead by now and Milliband should have been their last long flatulent blast. It's the economy stupid, it's jobs and then it is my net disposable" and any Political Group that seeks to rubbish enterprise, big-middle-small, is doomed. Labour and in particular the Labour left have been since WW2 distinctly anti-enterprise and pro-Statism, they are the Millstone dragged in from the cold 20th C. to plague us today.






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May 15 2015, 11:36 PM
you want all the benefits of living in this free and fair democratic society but at the same time you are willing to see it governed by an unelected body in Brussels who merely tell our truly elected government what they can and cannot do.
Frankly you are a lost cause.

We could and should be playing a major part in Europe but instead do little more than try and undermine the whole project, and only someone profoundly ignorant of what Europe both is and stands for would claim that the EU is undermining our alleged free society, A free society in which a party that gets four million votes has one MP and another one that gets a third of the votes that are cast rules as a majority. That is the real sick joke here.

To be in a club you need rules and they should apply to everyone, and yes we do have the power of veto as does every EU member, not that you'd even accept this of course having had your fill of propaganda topped up with nonsensical home spun logic.
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Mary Creagh?

Looks presentable, any views?
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The Scots rejected the Labour party because it wasnt left wing enough whilst the English rejected the Labour party because they were spooked that that kind of Leftism was about to take control over a Labour government if they elected one - more or less the opposite reasons to the Scots. If you can find a leader who can square that circle then Labour has a chance. Glad im UKIP!!
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Mary Creagh?

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More chance of winning the grand national, a rank outsider

This surely is between Cooper and Burnham. Both able to step up to be a leader with New Labour phase 1 policies. There really was a lot of good in them before the Iraq fiasco made them need a boom to get re-elected.

Chuka was naive but I admire his choice that to him it just wasn't worth all the prurient grief that goes with the job. I suspect he will have another run at being leader and PM but we maybe talking 2030 and so I may not see it.
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Mary Creagh?

Looks presentable, any views?
More chance of winning the grand national, a rank outsider

This surely is between Cooper and Burnham. Both able to step up to be a leader with New Labour phase 1 policies. There really was a lot of good in them before the Iraq fiasco made them need a boom to get re-elected.

Chuka was naive but I admire his choice that to him it just wasn't worth all the prurient grief that goes with the job. I suspect he will have another run at being leader and PM but we maybe talking 2030 and so I may not see it.
Perhaps it has more to do with the questionable tax avoidance practices in the form of mortgages held through offshore trusts associated with family properties. The sort of practices that the leftwingers on this forum regularly delight in accusing Conservatives of.

Cooper (a 'Brownite') and more especially Burnham (to the left of the Party and Health Minister during the Stafford Hospital attempted cover-up and subsequent scandal) if elected, will ensure that Labour stay in the poltical wilderness where they firmly positioned themselves. Blair was the only Labour Leader in recent times to make Labour electable. They must learn learn that England's working people distrust the hard left and socialism and particularly metrocentric champagne socialists.

Interesting that according to a report in the Telegraph today 97%, yes 97% of Labour MPs are now sponsored or financially supported by Trade Unions. I wonder how much it costs for a Trade Union to buy a Labour MP? A lot less now than a couple of weeks ago I'll be bound.
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Personally I thought the day I heard Chukka "accidentally" referring to his leader as David Milliband, I had him down right there as throwing his hat into the ring to replace his actual leader some stage in the future. What about Kate Hoey, now there's a lady with her head screwed on.
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Personally I thought the day I heard Chukka "accidentally" referring to his leader as David Milliband, I had him down right there as throwing his hat into the ring to replace his actual leader some stage in the future. What about Kate Hoey, now there's a lady with her head screwed on.
I quite agree with you; an outstanding and active constituency MP, never featured in the expenses scandal, very principled and never intimidated by the Labour whips and a woman of immense integrity. One of the few, the very few, Labour MPs I would be proud to have as my MP. A couple of hundred more like her and Labour's problems would soon be resolved.
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Personally I thought the day I heard Chukka "accidentally" referring to his leader as David Milliband, I had him down right there as throwing his hat into the ring to replace his actual leader some stage in the future. What about Kate Hoey, now there's a lady with her head screwed on.
Not a leader imho but yes a lady of conviction not afraid to put that before expediency
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Personally I thought the day I heard Chukka "accidentally" referring to his leader as David Milliband, I had him down right there as throwing his hat into the ring to replace his actual leader some stage in the future. What about Kate Hoey, now there's a lady with her head screwed on.
I quite agree with you; an outstanding and active constituency MP, never featured in the expenses scandal, very principled and never intimidated by the Labour whips and a woman of immense integrity. One of the few, the very few, Labour MPs I would be proud to have as my MP. A couple of hundred more like her and Labour's problems would soon be resolved.
And a bluff Ulsterwoman to boot noone will mess her around
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Mary Creagh?

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More chance of winning the grand national, a rank outsider

This surely is between Cooper and Burnham. Both able to step up to be a leader with New Labour phase 1 policies. There really was a lot of good in them before the Iraq fiasco made them need a boom to get re-elected.

Chuka was naive but I admire his choice that to him it just wasn't worth all the prurient grief that goes with the job. I suspect he will have another run at being leader and PM but we maybe talking 2030 and so I may not see it.
Well I like an outsider in the Nation. If you take it down to two it think you can only have one of the two Cooper and Burnham and then you need one from the other side a 2010 newbie or a less known MP. So for me I would take Cooper over Burnham so they are bound to take Burnham and been having a look at Mary Creagh and think she may well unite the Labour Party and stop it slipping to the left. On top of that I think the UK is ready for a female PM.

Unless there are new runners we haven't heard of I think Burnham and Creagh may come through as front runners. Burnham looks like a leader, talks like a leader and would make a great leader, shame he would take us in the wrong direction.
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http://news.sky.com/story/1485277/resigning-murphy-declares-war-on-union-boss

Labour is now leaderless north & south of the border. The Sky video (Above) shows the cheering in London when news came through of Murphy winning a vote of confidence. Two minutes later he resigned (DE JA VUE IN ONLY A FEW DAYS) Apparently Len McCluskey didnt trust him.

And on and on it goes as the party tears itself to shreds!
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http://news.sky.com/story/1485277/resigning-murphy-declares-war-on-union-boss

Labour is now leaderless north & south of the border. The Sky video (Above) shows the cheering in London when news came through of Murphy winning a vote of confidence. Two minutes later he resigned (DE JA VUE IN ONLY A FEW DAYS) Apparently Len McCluskey didnt trust him.

And on and on it goes as the party tears itself to shreds!
At least he resigned and did it properly.

Unlike someone else I could mention..............
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May 15 2015, 11:36 PM
you want all the benefits of living in this free and fair democratic society but at the same time you are willing to see it governed by an unelected body in Brussels who merely tell our truly elected government what they can and cannot do.
Frankly you are a lost cause.

We could and should be playing a major part in Europe but instead do little more than try and undermine the whole project, and only someone profoundly ignorant of what Europe both is and stands for would claim that the EU is undermining our alleged free society, A free society in which a party that gets four million votes has one MP and another one that gets a third of the votes that are cast rules as a majority. That is the real sick joke here.

To be in a club you need rules and they should apply to everyone, and yes we do have the power of veto as does every EU member, not that you'd even accept this of course having had your fill of propaganda topped up with nonsensical home spun logic.
Well, let's sort out your argument with a straight in/ out referendum, are YOU willing to gracefully accept the outcome whatever? I am, but I'll lay odds that no government will, which is why I do not think that we will get a straight in/out vote, why do you suppose that is, do the oh so clever Westminster elite not trust the public on European issues but are only too quick to pander and tell lies for domestic votes in a GE?

Get real mister, we have had enough.
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http://news.sky.com/story/1485277/resigning-murphy-declares-war-on-union-boss

Labour is now leaderless north & south of the border. The Sky video (Above) shows the cheering in London when news came through of Murphy winning a vote of confidence. Two minutes later he resigned (DE JA VUE IN ONLY A FEW DAYS) Apparently Len McCluskey didnt trust him.

And on and on it goes as the party tears itself to shreds!
At least he resigned and did it properly.

Unlike someone else I could mention..............
Oh I dont know its too early days to say that. Murphy hadnt the wit to even offer his resignation when all but Jim could see the writing on the wall. He was hated in Scotland and now hes made things worse for them as it looks like Len McCluskey is running Scottish Labour which wouldnt be the case if he had gone when he should have
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Rich
May 15 2015, 11:03 PM
]As an aside, do you consider it better to live in this country or Europe, I would like you to answer both as a family man and also as an owner of an SME and employer, don't be shy, I would like a frank and honest answer from you.
Here in the UK.

And copying things that work from abroad or adopting better practice in just about anything is what I want to see, I see no borders in this respect.

I've zero time for bone headed patriotism, tradition, or puffed up false pride because none of these things put food on the table, pay the bills or keep a roof over your head.
Tell that to the SNP for they are being driven by bone headed Scottish patriotism Cannot see their plans putting bread on their table, and if they do there will be little jam left to spread on it. I think their tourist industry may take a hit this year for a start/
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