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| Topic Started: May 15 2015, 01:02 PM (2,224 Views) | |
| Tytoalba | May 15 2015, 01:02 PM Post #1 |
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Chuka Umunna withdraws Labour leader bid, Who is left to lead them? The BBC has been attacking UKIP and Farrage for days, but at least they have a leader. Labour are in a state of uncertainty, and we do need a good opposition in the HOC, |
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| RJD | Aug 7 2015, 06:48 AM Post #521 |
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- Dan Hodges What is Labour for? As I asked many months ago, "what is Labour for"? Hodges sums up the situation nicely. The question is how will Cooper and Corbyn now coexist in the future.
For those who do not know Hodges is a long standing Labourite who has his articles printed in the Torygraph. |
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| Rich | Aug 7 2015, 08:48 AM Post #522 |
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Yes and no Ctoo, for it is a well known fact that broadcasters on the BBC are unashamedly on the left, are you saying that they are not biased? you should give more credit to Joe public who is more than capable of discerning common sense and pragmatism from bullshit, voters will only vote by balancing anecdotal performances in the past with expectations in the future, sadly Labour gave the electorate no hope in May 2015......I do not blame the media for that............go speak to Ed as he had enough media coverage in the run up to the GE, or even ask Russel Brand, or search out a "edstone", I am sorry to say that Labour themselves made them unelectable and now we have no opposition worthy of note. You cannot blame the media for that. |
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| Affa | Aug 7 2015, 10:22 AM Post #523 |
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I am! Or rather they are biased towards honesty and in the public interest, which their Charter demands they are. Are you saying they should not be critical of government? btw the BBC and Blair had a difficult relationship - which some seem to have forgotten. Edited by Affa, Aug 7 2015, 10:25 AM.
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| Rich | Aug 7 2015, 11:16 AM Post #524 |
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Well, I tend to disagree, but then beauty is in the eye of the beholder. |
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| Affa | Aug 7 2015, 11:35 AM Post #525 |
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What do you disagree with? Does the BBC break its Charter? Do you believe that the BBC should toe the government line? Did the BBC and the Blair government not have disagreements?
BBC Charter and AGREED protocols. |
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| Affa | Aug 7 2015, 11:38 AM Post #526 |
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I regard Conservatives attempts to re-write the BBC Charter as Political interference - based on Party dogma and not in the public interest - which is served when political interference is forbidden. |
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| Rich | Aug 7 2015, 12:00 PM Post #527 |
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for my money, just for instance, whenever I listen to R4 news programmes, the Tories get a much more gruelling interview than does Labour, but as I say, that is my personal opinion, yes there are Tory papers but there are Labour papers too, if people believe what they read an hear and are guided by the media, then that is up to them, for my own part I go by anecdotal history and what is in my bank account. BTW, have you or anyone else noticed just how many Scottish accents there are when one listens to R4? |
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| Affa | Aug 7 2015, 12:25 PM Post #528 |
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Does it not occur to you that if this is so it quite possibly is because Conservative governments frequently act against the public BEST interest? It would aid debate if you could cite examples, instances of when you believed the BBC was being unreasonable in its reporting of Tory policy .......???? Edited by Affa, Aug 7 2015, 12:26 PM.
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| Nonsense | Aug 7 2015, 01:25 PM Post #529 |
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"BTW, have you or anyone else noticed just how many Scottish accents there are when one listens to R4"? Can't say I have,but,I have noticed how many 'gay' accents there are when I watch BBC.
Edited by Nonsense, Aug 7 2015, 01:25 PM.
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| marybrown | Aug 7 2015, 02:20 PM Post #530 |
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I agree..and how many African and Asian reporters?.. Not many white people at all.. The ''gays'' use CBBC... |
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| Pro Veritas | Aug 7 2015, 04:19 PM Post #531 |
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1) Of course you do, you'd support Labour no matter what they did, as long as it had the Labour badge on it. Heck you even support, and praise, the Tory Lite incarnation of NuLab. The Problem with FPTP is the Whip system, once someone is elected they stop representing the electorate and represent the party, they can be told how to vote in line with party preference, and the trumps the preferences of the electorate; thus creating a significant democratic deficit, 2) Possibly true, but genuine PR stands a better chance of doing so than FPTP ever will. 3) No. The single biggest problem with British politics is the party-political system (see 1 above). There are papers that are left-wing biased, and papers that are right-wing biased, and some that try their damndest to walk a middle-line with as little overt bias as possible. In general these biases cancel one another out. How would you seek to remove this perceived bias (that you think this bias is the main problem leads me to conclude that there is an anti-Labour bias); would you prefer a State Newspaper only permitted to push the "party line"? 4) Corbyn could, by the looks of it, make Labour more electable than at any time since Blair left the helm. If you haven't read it you should read the piece Corbyn has in today's i, he makes a better case for his politics than Miliband ever made for his. All The Best |
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| Tytoalba | Aug 7 2015, 09:49 PM Post #532 |
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You would! But it doesn't mean your right., Fact is the BBC funding is by taxation Licence fee} legislated for by the government. They have every right to interfere in the cost of funding , and the cost an efficiency in running the service. There are numerous other means to day of broadcasting what people want, and the need for their service is declining. from being a monoply to a multi supply of services. Their own lack of impartiality and objectiveness in news reporting {IMO} is bound to antagonise their paymasters, but then they did not expect to see a Conservative Government running the show. Now how does it go? If you prick us, do we not bleed? if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison us, do we not die? and if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? |
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| C-too | Aug 7 2015, 10:02 PM Post #533 |
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It is suggested that part of the Tory approach is to force the BBC to seek other forms of funding. If not paid for by Taxation then by who ? What's the old saying about 'he who pays the piper' ? I think you probably watch the TV channels where the payer calls (influences) the tunes, thus leading you to feel that the BBC is biased. |
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| C-too | Aug 7 2015, 10:10 PM Post #534 |
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Not just a total lie, but a silly comment that exposes your shallow thinking. PS I have already made it clear that if Corbin becomes leader I will not vote Labour. (40 years of opposition since 1951 under Old Labour). Edited by C-too, Aug 7 2015, 10:12 PM.
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| Rich | Aug 7 2015, 10:44 PM Post #535 |
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I cannot recall millibore ever making a case for his party other than...."that's a good question" and "let me tell you".........historical twat. He only ever had time to treat the coalition policies with contempt without offering an alternative....hence his invisibility now, perhaps he has moved in with Gordy.
Edited by Rich, Aug 7 2015, 10:47 PM.
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| Heinrich | Aug 10 2015, 10:09 PM Post #536 |
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The Times reports tonight on the result of the latest survey which puts Jeremy Corbyn as heading for a “knockout victory” in the Labour leadership race after almost doubling his lead over rival candidates. YouGov poll Tories, the media, and New Labour MPs are keeping their powder dry in case the only socialist candidate actually wins. They will all have him in their crosshairs. |
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| Rich | Aug 10 2015, 10:14 PM Post #537 |
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Burnham aside, do you think we should take notice of Prescotts recommendations, do you consider his judgement to be sound? Prescott is the same man who said he backed the Maastricht treaty to the hilt and when asked what was in the treaty he openly admitted he had never read it, one must question also the judgement of whoever made him the deputy leader. Edited by Rich, Aug 10 2015, 10:16 PM.
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| Tigger | Aug 10 2015, 10:50 PM Post #538 |
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Was that back in 1992 Rich? Let's face it our low grade politicians are all show an no go..... |
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| Steve K | Aug 10 2015, 10:58 PM Post #539 |
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You have to say that Blair, Prescott and now apparently Campbell criticising Corbyn is just making his election more likely Maybe we need that idiot victory to finally lance the boil. 2 years of Corbyn dribbling at the ballot box and being humiliated by his own MPs rebelling and the polls destroying Labour then someone will do a Geoffrey Howe on him and get rid And maybe by then Chukka will be prepared to stand - now he could be a serious Labour leader. |
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| Rich | Aug 10 2015, 11:02 PM Post #540 |
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When it was is quite irrelevant, who in their right mind votes for something that they know SFA about.....oh, hold on....yes, Europhiles. |
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| Tigger | Aug 10 2015, 11:07 PM Post #541 |
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I suspect Corbyn is very cleverly targeting younger and new voters who quite frankly have been completely ignored and repeatedly stuffed by the boomers party, ie the Conservatives. If Corbyn succeeds, and lets face it every debt fuelled, housing boom Tory "recovery" has hit the buffers very hard leaving a very nasty residue behind it, Corbyn could well find a very receptive audience............. The shit stirring in the rabid press could also backfire given the changing demographics and the boomers slowly stacking up in the nations graveyards........ |
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| Heinrich | Aug 11 2015, 05:07 AM Post #542 |
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Liz Kendall and Yvette Cooper reject Jeremy Corbyn's suggestion that New Labour's rewritten Clause Four which currently means nothing should revert back to its original meaning regarding public ownership of enterprises. Morning Star Not to worry; Jeremy has the working class and middle income citizens nodding approval more and more. Do not be surprised when loads of the four millions who voted UKIP at the last general election start joining the bandwagon. |
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| AndyK | Aug 11 2015, 07:06 PM Post #543 |
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I suspect the Lib Dems would be very happy with a Corbyn victory, the centre ground would be all theirs and a very real chance of Labour MP's jumping ship.
Edited by AndyK, Aug 11 2015, 07:06 PM.
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| Tigger | Aug 11 2015, 09:16 PM Post #544 |
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The Liberals no longer have a ship to jump onto, it's more of a saggy inflatable air bed, with a slow leak..... |
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| Rich | Aug 11 2015, 09:52 PM Post #545 |
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And that is just the leader, what of the party? !dvl! |
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| Tytoalba | Aug 11 2015, 09:56 PM Post #546 |
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If ‘ifs’ and ‘ands’ were pots and pans there would be no work for tinkers. ~ English Proverb [1708] |
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| The Buccaneer | Aug 12 2015, 12:14 AM Post #547 |
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Neither can they be bothered to actually find out about Labour's appalling record of hurling the country into meltdown, time after time. But, we'll let that pass if voters actually DO bother to look at records, what is being claimed as current manifesto, oh yes, and the actual record of effective governance by whichever party was in control. So, you lefties have crapped out yet again ! |
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| Heinrich | Aug 12 2015, 02:07 AM Post #548 |
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The worried New Labour nervous Nellies are banning so-called “entryists” who fail background checks of their posts on the internet and social media to see if they once voted for someone who was not an official Labour candidate. Among such is British film director Ken Loach who founded Left Unity. Morning Star These are the people who want to run the government and they are practicing their snooping skills already. Think what they will be able to do when they control MI5 and the police. Video from June this year Edited by Heinrich, Aug 12 2015, 02:11 AM.
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| Tigger | Aug 12 2015, 09:39 PM Post #549 |
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Bend over and take your punishment! Recessions since the end of WW2, 1956, 1961-62, 1973-76, 1980-83, 1990-93, 2008- Now even a semi coherent right winger like you who has trouble with his memory can work out who was in power during these recessions. The power of propaganda and not thinking eh? |
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| Rich | Aug 12 2015, 10:04 PM Post #550 |
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Ok, back to the thread title.......the "esteemed faux" statesman has been spouting again, he fear annihilation if Corbyn is elected, one gets the feeling that he and other Grandees are now resigned to the outcome. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33896414 |
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| C-too | Aug 13 2015, 01:10 PM Post #551 |
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Not only is that a complete falsehood, but the TRUTH has been pointed out to you on more than one occasion. Be as biased as you like, but at least find out the reality, (not the Tory press version) before posting. |
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| C-too | Aug 13 2015, 01:15 PM Post #552 |
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I think it's more a case of insight and understanding than being resigned to the outcome. That would be insight and understanding as he/they showed when in office. |
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| marybrown | Aug 13 2015, 01:24 PM Post #553 |
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Corbyn is the wrong choice..He seems more of a ''Green'' than Labourite.. He has no charisma..and seems very friendly with the Muslim faction... He's creepy... |
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| ACH1967 | Aug 13 2015, 02:01 PM Post #554 |
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For me the key issue is simple is he economically illiterate or not |
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| marybrown | Aug 13 2015, 02:08 PM Post #555 |
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Well H.R.H. Blair doesn't seem to think so..I have never heard such damning rhetoric from a former prime minister concerning a potential labour party leader.. TB hates him... |
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| ACH1967 | Aug 13 2015, 02:51 PM Post #556 |
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Yes but Pv has made an interesting point many times that Quantative Easing was used to prevent the banks going bust without any negative impact on the economy so why can't QE be used to pay for Corbins pet projects that are far more likely to benefit the common man than helping to pay bankers bonuses. Obviously i don't understand QE enough to know whether these is feasible or coherent. |
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| marybrown | Aug 13 2015, 03:00 PM Post #557 |
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I think it would be that Corbyn has some really strange Ideas.. http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/steerpike/2015/08/jeremy-corbyn-appears-to-endorse-diane-abbott-for-london-mayor-again/ |
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| ACH1967 | Aug 13 2015, 03:23 PM Post #558 |
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what is starnge about that |
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| Steve K | Aug 13 2015, 03:23 PM Post #559 |
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QE was about stopping the economy going bust. The banks had stopped lending to ensure they could survive the inevitable collapse of businesses leaving bad debts and the money supply was in danger of a severe collapse. Most of the banks received no bailout money. It was a one off dilution of the currency that could not easily be repeated now other countries of note have stabilised and the money supply is steadily growing organically. Any repeat in those circumstances would see a collapse of the pound, a massive balance of payments crisis, crippling inflation and a long term increase in unemployment and poverty. Ultimately you have to earn the money you spend |
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| marybrown | Aug 13 2015, 03:29 PM Post #560 |
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Because Diane Abbot is a black racist... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca-hlQGrUes Edited by marybrown, Aug 13 2015, 03:32 PM.
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