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The Tories would like to see Burnham as the leader of New Labour because he has the accent from a working class northern family and has a swarthy look. Southern English Tory toffs will have great fun mocking him in their Parliament.
My goodness what exceptional narrow and dogmatic vision you have. Absolutely nothing to do with his scouse accent and everything to do with his recent history of flip flopping and being the architect of much of the Tory NHS reforms. You really are addicted to this class warrior crap that most of left behind decades ago. I think there is still an element of truth in what he posted. Look at the way "two Jags" was treated, and look at the language of Tories when referring to ED-the-gone.
Take the editor of a Tory newspaper sitting at his desk, who called for a pre-election photo of Ed, up comes half a dozen photos. Does he pick the picture that puts Ed in a good light, or the one that doesn't ?
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I wonder if proficiency in the art of sandwich eating will be a pre-requisite.
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The Tories would like to see Burnham as the leader of New Labour because he has the accent from a working class northern family and has a swarthy look. Southern English Tory toffs will have great fun mocking him in their Parliament.
What makes you so sure that he will win the leadership contest?
I am not so sure that he will win but he is the favorite because, primarily, traditional core Labour voters will see that he looks and sounds northern working class; "One of ours, our Andy is." He also has New Labour credentials which, while a drawback for the left, can appeal to those on the right who have the aspiration to be middle class and beat the Tories at their own game. In other words, he perfectly meets the bill as someone who stands for nothing to lead a party that lost its reason for existence once they allowed Tony Blair to change it to be indistinguishable from the Tories in policy. It's not often I find a statement you make that I 100% agree with but I think on this point you are spot on and I think they will select him. I would also add he looks like a leader. When I say I agree with you, that's on your last post not the other one that is way off the mark by the way.
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Mary Creagh has dropped out of the Labour leadership race, expressing her dismay at Ed Miliband’s attitude to business and urging the next leader not to regard business as a vested interest with which to pick a fight.
Writing in the Guardian about her decision to stand aside, she warned: “Labour cannot be the party of working people and then disapprove when some working people do very well for themselves and create new businesses, jobs and wealth.”
Firstly, she expresses her "dismay" at Milliband's attitude to business,but,all the time she was working with him, she kept 'mum' about the policies Milliband was persuing.
“Labour cannot be the party of working people and then disapprove when some working people do very well for themselves and create new businesses, jobs and wealth.”
Coming from someone at Milliband's side, this is a complete nonsense.
Does she NOT understand that this country is a 'DEMOCRACY', that 'BUSINESSES' do NOT have 'votes', ONLY the people 'vote',she is using 'TORY' rhetoric(that has FAILED)to project herself as a 'leadership' candidate & has been exposed as a fraud like the rest of her ilk.
The 'Labour Party' needs to understand that the people reject them, because 'Labour' is,like 'religion' a colossal FRAUD.
NO ONE BELIEVES THAT 'LABOUR' STANDS FOR A 'NATIONAL' HEALTH SERVICE, EXISTING WITHOUT 'OUTSOURCING' OR 'STEALTH' PRIVATISATION,OF WHICH PFI EXPOSED THE FRAUD AGAINST THE PEOPLE BY GORDON BROWN & C.o
The TORIES loved PFI, for, even now, it is costing taxpayers many hundreds of millions of pounds, that end up in the pockets of 'TORY' big business pals.
At the current rate, the 'Labour' Party is well on the road to extinction & this contest will not change that.
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Mary Creagh has dropped out of the Labour leadership race, expressing her dismay at Ed Miliband’s attitude to business and urging the next leader not to regard business as a vested interest with which to pick a fight.
Writing in the Guardian about her decision to stand aside, she warned: “Labour cannot be the party of working people and then disapprove when some working people do very well for themselves and create new businesses, jobs and wealth.”
Firstly, she expresses her "dismay" at Milliband's attitude to business,but,all the time she was working with him, she kept 'mum' about the policies Milliband was persuing.
“Labour cannot be the party of working people and then disapprove when some working people do very well for themselves and create new businesses, jobs and wealth.”
Coming from someone at Milliband's side, this is a complete nonsense.
Does she NOT understand that this country is a 'DEMOCRACY', that 'BUSINESSES' do NOT have 'votes', ONLY the people 'vote',she is using 'TORY' rhetoric(that has FAILED)to project herself as a 'leadership' candidate & has been exposed as a fraud like the rest of her ilk.
The 'Labour Party' needs to understand that the people reject them, because 'Labour' is,like 'religion' a colossal FRAUD.
NO ONE BELIEVES THAT 'LABOUR' STANDS FOR A 'NATIONAL' HEALTH SERVICE, EXISTING WITHOUT 'OUTSOURCING' OR 'STEALTH' PRIVATISATION,OF WHICH PFI EXPOSED THE FRAUD AGAINST THE PEOPLE BY GORDON BROWN & C.o
The TORIES loved PFI, for, even now, it is costing taxpayers many hundreds of millions of pounds, that end up in the pockets of 'TORY' big business pals.
At the current rate, the 'Labour' Party is well on the road to extinction & this contest will not change that. Not sure. With Liz they have a chance, perhaps but I doubt it something of a chance with the serial flip-flopper Burnham if he is prepared to flop again and drag Labour to the right. Trouble is that Labour is not a Social Democrat Party as many of it's members are still wedded to Statism and in particular nationalisation of Utilities. To sell that one needs to demonstrate a history of competent management, well based on that which now comprises that Party that would be a very hard sell. Unless Labour brand itself as Tory-Lite I suspect they will not gain power, unless it is gifted to them, before 2025 or even 2030. In reality Labour needs to skip the old Guard, those tainted by the past, tainted by Brown and Blair, but that would leave Liz with a free ride.
As for the fair Yvette, she seems to have bruises on her backside from dangling either side of the fence at the same time. I do not know what to make of her, but poor girl she has Brown's Zvelngali as a house-husband.
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Mary Creagh has dropped out of the Labour leadership race, expressing her dismay at Ed Miliband’s attitude to business and urging the next leader not to regard business as a vested interest with which to pick a fight.
Writing in the Guardian about her decision to stand aside, she warned: “Labour cannot be the party of working people and then disapprove when some working people do very well for themselves and create new businesses, jobs and wealth.”
Firstly, she expresses her "dismay" at Milliband's attitude to business,but,all the time she was working with him, she kept 'mum' about the policies Milliband was persuing.
“Labour cannot be the party of working people and then disapprove when some working people do very well for themselves and create new businesses, jobs and wealth.”
Coming from someone at Milliband's side, this is a complete nonsense.
Does she NOT understand that this country is a 'DEMOCRACY', that 'BUSINESSES' do NOT have 'votes', ONLY the people 'vote',she is using 'TORY' rhetoric(that has FAILED)to project herself as a 'leadership' candidate & has been exposed as a fraud like the rest of her ilk.
The 'Labour Party' needs to understand that the people reject them, because 'Labour' is,like 'religion' a colossal FRAUD.
NO ONE BELIEVES THAT 'LABOUR' STANDS FOR A 'NATIONAL' HEALTH SERVICE, EXISTING WITHOUT 'OUTSOURCING' OR 'STEALTH' PRIVATISATION,OF WHICH PFI EXPOSED THE FRAUD AGAINST THE PEOPLE BY GORDON BROWN & C.o
The TORIES loved PFI, for, even now, it is costing taxpayers many hundreds of millions of pounds, that end up in the pockets of 'TORY' big business pals.
At the current rate, the 'Labour' Party is well on the road to extinction & this contest will not change that.
Not sure. With Liz they have a chance, perhaps but I doubt it something of a chance with the serial flip-flopper Burnham if he is prepared to flop again and drag Labour to the right. Trouble is that Labour is not a Social Democrat Party as many of it's members are still wedded to Statism and in particular nationalisation of Utilities. To sell that one needs to demonstrate a history of competent management, well based on that which now comprises that Party that would be a very hard sell. Unless Labour brand itself as Tory-Lite I suspect they will not gain power, unless it is gifted to them, before 2025 or even 2030. In reality Labour needs to skip the old Guard, those tainted by the past, tainted by Brown and Blair, but that would leave Liz with a free ride. As for the fair Yvette, she seems to have bruises on her backside from dangling either side of the fence at the same time. I do not know what to make of her, but poor girl she has Brown's Zvelngali as a house-husband. "Trouble is that Labour is not a Social Democrat Party as many of it's members are still wedded to Statism and in particular nationalisation of Utilities".
I have no problem with public ownership,provided it proves to be the best deal for people & businesses in terms of efficiency. Unfortunately, past history proves that 'management' of 'public' assets is not best served in either 'private' or 'public' camps.
I think that it's more to do with Westminster than who 'manages' those assets,I have yet to see a 'successful' state enterprise in this country because of that state interference,that does not mean to say that in terms of utilities such a system couldn't work.
It's no different to the NHS as an example,it should never have been made a 'national' service,but 'local', without any interference from politicians,with only the funding being drawn from general taxes.
I see no leadership material within Labour,at the end of the day, it's about policies,trust,honesty,all qualities that have long evaporated from that party..
I see no redemptive qualities with Labour,by their own efforts they destroyed that Party,betraying those who supported it since it's early times.
I have never voted Labour,always believing that it's led by treacherous individuals out for themselves & not for working class people who are the MAJORITY in this country.
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Mary Creagh has dropped out of the Labour leadership race, expressing her dismay at Ed Miliband’s attitude to business and urging the next leader not to regard business as a vested interest with which to pick a fight.
Writing in the Guardian about her decision to stand aside, she warned: “Labour cannot be the party of working people and then disapprove when some working people do very well for themselves and create new businesses, jobs and wealth.”
Firstly, she expresses her "dismay" at Milliband's attitude to business,but,all the time she was working with him, she kept 'mum' about the policies Milliband was persuing.
“Labour cannot be the party of working people and then disapprove when some working people do very well for themselves and create new businesses, jobs and wealth.”
Coming from someone at Milliband's side, this is a complete nonsense.
Does she NOT understand that this country is a 'DEMOCRACY', that 'BUSINESSES' do NOT have 'votes', ONLY the people 'vote',she is using 'TORY' rhetoric(that has FAILED)to project herself as a 'leadership' candidate & has been exposed as a fraud like the rest of her ilk.
The 'Labour Party' needs to understand that the people reject them, because 'Labour' is,like 'religion' a colossal FRAUD.
NO ONE BELIEVES THAT 'LABOUR' STANDS FOR A 'NATIONAL' HEALTH SERVICE, EXISTING WITHOUT 'OUTSOURCING' OR 'STEALTH' PRIVATISATION,OF WHICH PFI EXPOSED THE FRAUD AGAINST THE PEOPLE BY GORDON BROWN & C.o
The TORIES loved PFI, for, even now, it is costing taxpayers many hundreds of millions of pounds, that end up in the pockets of 'TORY' big business pals.
At the current rate, the 'Labour' Party is well on the road to extinction & this contest will not change that. Nature, and politics, abhors a vacuum The labour party is going through a period of readjustment, and a change of attitude and identity. Whether they can make the necessary changes is debatable , for we see the stubborn,. inflexibility of the party supporters on this board, and in the party leadership contests already taking place.
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Late last year, the party decided that it wanted to devolve the regulation of bus services. Ms Creagh, then shadow transport secretary, realised that the idea that she otherwise supported might have an impact upon service providers’ profits – so she telephoned the bus companies to brief them. The Labour leadership, she claims, asked why she had done this. She explained that it was an act of courtesy and that they would need to work closely with the companies to see that everything went to plan. But, complained the leadership, what they really wanted to do was “pick a fight” with the service providers to give the impression that Labour was taking on vested interests. LINK
That just about sums up Labour, they are lost in the 1970s and still refuse to move on.
Labour was before the GE an anti business Party, will it change it's spots? I doubt it as it is ingrained. They have also not yet twigged that the make up of the electorate has fundamentally changed since the 1970s.
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Remember Candidates for the Labour Leadership are also forced to have offices and a campaign staff outside the Commons. This can cost as much as £100,000. Where on earth can they find that if not from the unions? Frank Field
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For the first time ever in my 35 years in Parliament I feel like a member of a party with a mega ball and chain connected not to one but both legs. It will be hell’s own job to hammer out a programme so that in five years’ time voters see us as an answer to their worries, and not an extra burden with which they would have to grapple. That task will be difficult enough with a political leader ranking as one of the best in the world. It will be impossible if we pick a deadbeat who we are unable to change this side of yet another catastrophic Election defeat. LINK
It looks like the man considered to be the Labour Party's soul also recognises the problem. He also added: "Shameful comments by some Labour politicians, blaming the electorate for being hoodwinked by Tory propaganda, merely insult the electorate". Usuals take note.
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Mary Creagh has dropped out of the Labour leadership race, expressing her dismay at Ed Miliband’s attitude to business and urging the next leader not to regard business as a vested interest with which to pick a fight.
Writing in the Guardian about her decision to stand aside, she warned: “Labour cannot be the party of working people and then disapprove when some working people do very well for themselves and create new businesses, jobs and wealth.”
Firstly, she expresses her "dismay" at Milliband's attitude to business,but,all the time she was working with him, she kept 'mum' about the policies Milliband was persuing.
“Labour cannot be the party of working people and then disapprove when some working people do very well for themselves and create new businesses, jobs and wealth.”
Coming from someone at Milliband's side, this is a complete nonsense.
Does she NOT understand that this country is a 'DEMOCRACY', that 'BUSINESSES' do NOT have 'votes', ONLY the people 'vote',she is using 'TORY' rhetoric(that has FAILED)to project herself as a 'leadership' candidate & has been exposed as a fraud like the rest of her ilk.
The 'Labour Party' needs to understand that the people reject them, because 'Labour' is,like 'religion' a colossal FRAUD.
NO ONE BELIEVES THAT 'LABOUR' STANDS FOR A 'NATIONAL' HEALTH SERVICE, EXISTING WITHOUT 'OUTSOURCING' OR 'STEALTH' PRIVATISATION,OF WHICH PFI EXPOSED THE FRAUD AGAINST THE PEOPLE BY GORDON BROWN & C.o
The TORIES loved PFI, for, even now, it is costing taxpayers many hundreds of millions of pounds, that end up in the pockets of 'TORY' big business pals.
At the current rate, the 'Labour' Party is well on the road to extinction & this contest will not change that.
Not sure. With Liz they have a chance, perhaps but I doubt it something of a chance with the serial flip-flopper Burnham if he is prepared to flop again and drag Labour to the right. Trouble is that Labour is not a Social Democrat Party as many of it's members are still wedded to Statism and in particular nationalisation of Utilities. To sell that one needs to demonstrate a history of competent management, well based on that which now comprises that Party that would be a very hard sell. Unless Labour brand itself as Tory-Lite I suspect they will not gain power, unless it is gifted to them, before 2025 or even 2030. In reality Labour needs to skip the old Guard, those tainted by the past, tainted by Brown and Blair, but that would leave Liz with a free ride. As for the fair Yvette, she seems to have bruises on her backside from dangling either side of the fence at the same time. I do not know what to make of her, but poor girl she has Brown's Zvelngali as a house-husband. You really mean and drag Labour to the centre of politics as NL did, an area where the Tories are very very "Lite".
A history of competent management, something the Tories totally lack and that is a fact of history.
"Tainted by Brown and Blair". From what I have heard from Burnham, he understands the need to expose the depth of the insinuated lies that have been piled upon Brown and Blair. A fact that could possibly back-fire on the Tories.
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Remember Candidates for the Labour Leadership are also forced to have offices and a campaign staff outside the Commons. This can cost as much as £100,000. Where on earth can they find that if not from the unions? Frank Field - Quote:
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For the first time ever in my 35 years in Parliament I feel like a member of a party with a mega ball and chain connected not to one but both legs. It will be hell’s own job to hammer out a programme so that in five years’ time voters see us as an answer to their worries, and not an extra burden with which they would have to grapple. That task will be difficult enough with a political leader ranking as one of the best in the world. It will be impossible if we pick a deadbeat who we are unable to change this side of yet another catastrophic Election defeat. LINKIt looks like the man considered to be the Labour Party's soul also recognises the problem. He also added: " Shameful comments by some Labour politicians, blaming the electorate for being hoodwinked by Tory propaganda, merely insult the electorate". Usuals take note. IMO Frank Field is a naïve heart on sleeve, a sort of nice man individual, who probably has no idea of the damage he does to the Labour party. I Emailed him some years ago and told him so.
But I have to agree with him that Brown, despite his talent as chancellor, was never PM material and Milliband even less so, with as far as I can see, no talent whatsoever.
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Mary Creagh has dropped out of the Labour leadership race, expressing her dismay at Ed Miliband’s attitude to business and urging the next leader not to regard business as a vested interest with which to pick a fight.
Writing in the Guardian about her decision to stand aside, she warned: “Labour cannot be the party of working people and then disapprove when some working people do very well for themselves and create new businesses, jobs and wealth.”
Firstly, she expresses her "dismay" at Milliband's attitude to business,but,all the time she was working with him, she kept 'mum' about the policies Milliband was persuing.
“Labour cannot be the party of working people and then disapprove when some working people do very well for themselves and create new businesses, jobs and wealth.”
Coming from someone at Milliband's side, this is a complete nonsense.
Does she NOT understand that this country is a 'DEMOCRACY', that 'BUSINESSES' do NOT have 'votes', ONLY the people 'vote',she is using 'TORY' rhetoric(that has FAILED)to project herself as a 'leadership' candidate & has been exposed as a fraud like the rest of her ilk.
The 'Labour Party' needs to understand that the people reject them, because 'Labour' is,like 'religion' a colossal FRAUD.
NO ONE BELIEVES THAT 'LABOUR' STANDS FOR A 'NATIONAL' HEALTH SERVICE, EXISTING WITHOUT 'OUTSOURCING' OR 'STEALTH' PRIVATISATION,OF WHICH PFI EXPOSED THE FRAUD AGAINST THE PEOPLE BY GORDON BROWN & C.o
The TORIES loved PFI, for, even now, it is costing taxpayers many hundreds of millions of pounds, that end up in the pockets of 'TORY' big business pals.
At the current rate, the 'Labour' Party is well on the road to extinction & this contest will not change that.
Not sure. With Liz they have a chance, perhaps but I doubt it something of a chance with the serial flip-flopper Burnham if he is prepared to flop again and drag Labour to the right. Trouble is that Labour is not a Social Democrat Party as many of it's members are still wedded to Statism and in particular nationalisation of Utilities. To sell that one needs to demonstrate a history of competent management, well based on that which now comprises that Party that would be a very hard sell. Unless Labour brand itself as Tory-Lite I suspect they will not gain power, unless it is gifted to them, before 2025 or even 2030. In reality Labour needs to skip the old Guard, those tainted by the past, tainted by Brown and Blair, but that would leave Liz with a free ride. As for the fair Yvette, she seems to have bruises on her backside from dangling either side of the fence at the same time. I do not know what to make of her, but poor girl she has Brown's Zvelngali as a house-husband.
You really mean and drag Labour to the centre of politics as NL did, an area where the Tories are very very "Lite". A history of competent management, something the Tories totally lack and that is a fact of history. "Tainted by Brown and Blair". From what I have heard from Burnham, he understands the need to expose the depth of the insinuated lies that have been piled upon Brown and Blair. A fact that could possibly back-fire on the Tories. Dream on. If that's Burnham's strategy then the Tories will be laughing all the way to the Voter's Bank. Blair and Brown are already yesterday's men and are tainted in the mind-set of Joe Public, there is no undoing that.
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Remember Candidates for the Labour Leadership are also forced to have offices and a campaign staff outside the Commons. This can cost as much as £100,000. Where on earth can they find that if not from the unions? Frank Field - Quote:
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For the first time ever in my 35 years in Parliament I feel like a member of a party with a mega ball and chain connected not to one but both legs. It will be hell’s own job to hammer out a programme so that in five years’ time voters see us as an answer to their worries, and not an extra burden with which they would have to grapple. That task will be difficult enough with a political leader ranking as one of the best in the world. It will be impossible if we pick a deadbeat who we are unable to change this side of yet another catastrophic Election defeat. LINKIt looks like the man considered to be the Labour Party's soul also recognises the problem. He also added: " Shameful comments by some Labour politicians, blaming the electorate for being hoodwinked by Tory propaganda, merely insult the electorate". Usuals take note.
IMO Frank Field is a naïve heart on sleeve, a sort of nice man individual, who probably has no idea of the damage he does to the Labour party. I Emailed him some years ago and told him so. But I have to agree with him that Brown, despite his talent as chancellor, was never PM material and Milliband even less so, with as far as I can see, no talent whatsoever. "Talent as Chancellor" well that's a joke mostly laughed at by Economists. The man, as we have seen and is so now well proven that it is accepted as common knowledge was totally out of his depths and as the man said "it was all Balls".
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You really mean and drag Labour to the centre of politics as NL did, an area where the Tories are very very "Lite". A history of competent management, something the Tories totally lack and that is a fact of history. "Tainted by Brown and Blair". From what I have heard from Burnham, he understands the need to expose the depth of the insinuated lies that have been piled upon Brown and Blair. A fact that could possibly back-fire on the Tories.
Dream on. If that's Burnham's strategy then the Tories will be laughing all the way to the Voter's Bank. Blair and Brown are already yesterday's men and are tainted in the mind-set of Joe Public, there is no undoing that. You certainly hope it won't be undone, Ed Failure, chose to ignore it, apparently Burnham thinks it is important. You understand the value of misleading propaganda, you keep using it. Burnham understands the damage done by Tory propaganda and the Tory press, as too will many people.
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Remember Candidates for the Labour Leadership are also forced to have offices and a campaign staff outside the Commons. This can cost as much as £100,000. Where on earth can they find that if not from the unions? Frank Field Quoting limited to 3 levels deep LINKIt looks like the man considered to be the Labour Party's soul also recognises the problem. He also added: " Shameful comments by some Labour politicians, blaming the electorate for being hoodwinked by Tory propaganda, merely insult the electorate". Usuals take note.
IMO Frank Field is a naïve heart on sleeve, a sort of nice man individual, who probably has no idea of the damage he does to the Labour party. I Emailed him some years ago and told him so. But I have to agree with him that Brown, despite his talent as chancellor, was never PM material and Milliband even less so, with as far as I can see, no talent whatsoever.
"Talent as Chancellor" well that's a joke mostly laughed at by Economists. The man, as we have seen and is so now well proven that it is accepted as common knowledge was totally out of his depths and as the man said "it was all Balls". Talented yes absolutely, deceived and damaged by both the no doubt Tory voting big wallets in the international financial sector and lying insinuations by the Tories. 36% debt/2.6% deficit to GDP before giant greed destroyed the economy.
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Mary Creagh has dropped out of the Labour leadership race, expressing her dismay at Ed Miliband’s attitude to business and urging the next leader not to regard business as a vested interest with which to pick a fight.
Writing in the Guardian about her decision to stand aside, she warned: “Labour cannot be the party of working people and then disapprove when some working people do very well for themselves and create new businesses, jobs and wealth.”
Firstly, she expresses her "dismay" at Milliband's attitude to business,but,all the time she was working with him, she kept 'mum' about the policies Milliband was persuing.
“Labour cannot be the party of working people and then disapprove when some working people do very well for themselves and create new businesses, jobs and wealth.”
Coming from someone at Milliband's side, this is a complete nonsense.
Does she NOT understand that this country is a 'DEMOCRACY', that 'BUSINESSES' do NOT have 'votes', ONLY the people 'vote',she is using 'TORY' rhetoric(that has FAILED)to project herself as a 'leadership' candidate & has been exposed as a fraud like the rest of her ilk.
The 'Labour Party' needs to understand that the people reject them, because 'Labour' is,like 'religion' a colossal FRAUD.
NO ONE BELIEVES THAT 'LABOUR' STANDS FOR A 'NATIONAL' HEALTH SERVICE, EXISTING WITHOUT 'OUTSOURCING' OR 'STEALTH' PRIVATISATION,OF WHICH PFI EXPOSED THE FRAUD AGAINST THE PEOPLE BY GORDON BROWN & C.o
The TORIES loved PFI, for, even now, it is costing taxpayers many hundreds of millions of pounds, that end up in the pockets of 'TORY' big business pals.
At the current rate, the 'Labour' Party is well on the road to extinction & this contest will not change that.
Nature, and politics, abhors a vacuum The labour party is going through a period of readjustment, and a change of attitude and identity. Whether they can make the necessary changes is debatable , for we see the stubborn,. inflexibility of the party supporters on this board, and in the party leadership contests already taking place.
"stubborn inflexibility" ? That sums up your position nicely. A case of projection on your part. "That sums up your position nicely. A case of projection on your part".
Not in the least C-too,I have only ever voted once, that was 'Tory',because of the unions frustrating the 'Threshold Agreement' under Ted Heath..
It doesn't make me 'Tory' & it doesn't make me 'anti-Labour'.
Saying that I am 'inflexible', may be so in one sense,just not the way that you imply.
If I am 'inflexible' as a 'potential'(LOL)voter, it could just be that the Tories NEVER change their spots,but, that 'Labour' are ALWAYS changing their spots, in order to garner 'popularity' in their quest for power,in that sense,I am standing still, but they are always shifting.
As we all know,"You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time"
Could it be that YOU are just a 'Luddite' C-too?
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Remember Candidates for the Labour Leadership are also forced to have offices and a campaign staff outside the Commons. This can cost as much as £100,000. Where on earth can they find that if not from the unions? Frank Field - Quote:
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For the first time ever in my 35 years in Parliament I feel like a member of a party with a mega ball and chain connected not to one but both legs. It will be hell’s own job to hammer out a programme so that in five years’ time voters see us as an answer to their worries, and not an extra burden with which they would have to grapple. That task will be difficult enough with a political leader ranking as one of the best in the world. It will be impossible if we pick a deadbeat who we are unable to change this side of yet another catastrophic Election defeat. LINKIt looks like the man considered to be the Labour Party's soul also recognises the problem. He also added: " Shameful comments by some Labour politicians, blaming the electorate for being hoodwinked by Tory propaganda, merely insult the electorate". Usuals take note.
IMO Frank Field is a naïve heart on sleeve, a sort of nice man individual, who probably has no idea of the damage he does to the Labour party. I Emailed him some years ago and told him so. But I have to agree with him that Brown, despite his talent as chancellor, was never PM material and Milliband even less so, with as far as I can see, no talent whatsoever. True but in 1994 Brown with his hard left support was a very credible leadership rival to Blair and so with his realpolitik nous he made that restaurant deal and seems to have kept his word on it making Brown an unsackable chancellor and inevitable PM.
What would have happened if they hadn't done that deal and Brown led the party in 97 could be speculated over for years. My GUESS is Major would have got another term, Brown succeeded as Labour leader by Blair who would have won in 2001 2005 and 2010 and not got trapped into the Iraq war. I prefer that past but there are some things you can't change and the past is very much one of those.
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Remember Candidates for the Labour Leadership are also forced to have offices and a campaign staff outside the Commons. This can cost as much as £100,000. Where on earth can they find that if not from the unions? Frank Field Quoting limited to 3 levels deep LINKIt looks like the man considered to be the Labour Party's soul also recognises the problem. He also added: " Shameful comments by some Labour politicians, blaming the electorate for being hoodwinked by Tory propaganda, merely insult the electorate". Usuals take note.
IMO Frank Field is a naïve heart on sleeve, a sort of nice man individual, who probably has no idea of the damage he does to the Labour party. I Emailed him some years ago and told him so. But I have to agree with him that Brown, despite his talent as chancellor, was never PM material and Milliband even less so, with as far as I can see, no talent whatsoever.
True but in 1994 Brown with his hard left support was a very credible leadership rival to Blair and so with his realpolitik nous he made that restaurant deal and seems to have kept his word on it making Brown an unsackable chancellor and inevitable PM. What would have happened if they hadn't done that deal and Brown led the party in 97 could be speculated over for years. My GUESS is Major would have got another term, Brown succeeded as Labour leader by Blair who would have won in 2001 2005 and 2010 and not got trapped into the Iraq war. I prefer that past but there are some things you can't change and the past is very much one of those. I agree, a different past for sure.
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Remember Candidates for the Labour Leadership are also forced to have offices and a campaign staff outside the Commons. This can cost as much as £100,000. Where on earth can they find that if not from the unions? Frank Field - Quote:
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For the first time ever in my 35 years in Parliament I feel like a member of a party with a mega ball and chain connected not to one but both legs. It will be hell’s own job to hammer out a programme so that in five years’ time voters see us as an answer to their worries, and not an extra burden with which they would have to grapple. That task will be difficult enough with a political leader ranking as one of the best in the world. It will be impossible if we pick a deadbeat who we are unable to change this side of yet another catastrophic Election defeat. LINKIt looks like the man considered to be the Labour Party's soul also recognises the problem. He also added: " Shameful comments by some Labour politicians, blaming the electorate for being hoodwinked by Tory propaganda, merely insult the electorate". Usuals take note.
IMO Frank Field is a naïve heart on sleeve, a sort of nice man individual, who probably has no idea of the damage he does to the Labour party. I Emailed him some years ago and told him so. But I have to agree with him that Brown, despite his talent as chancellor, was never PM material and Milliband even less so, with as far as I can see, no talent whatsoever. I think your post shows that you are unable to accept criticism of your tribe. I note that you were not condemning Milliband or his Manifesto before the GE. Thank goodness that the likes of Field have the decency to say what they think as without such as him they would be all clones of C2, on message all of the time and devoid of independent thought.
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Jun 14 2015, 03:15 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep Where on earth can they find that if not from the unions? Frank Field Quoting limited to 3 levels deep LINKIt looks like the man considered to be the Labour Party's soul also recognises the problem. He also added: " Shameful comments by some Labour politicians, blaming the electorate for being hoodwinked by Tory propaganda, merely insult the electorate
"Talent as Chancellor" well that's a joke mostly laughed at by Economists. The man, as we have seen and is so now well proven that it is accepted as common knowledge was totally out of his depths and as the man said "it was all Balls".
Talented yes absolutely, deceived and damaged by both the no doubt Tory voting big wallets in the international financial sector and lying insinuations by the Tories. 36% debt/2.6% deficit to GDP before giant greed destroyed the economy. Yes we all know it was the lying Press that did for Labour. Believe that if you like, but do not expect anyone else to. A bit insulting to Joe Voter is it not that you, of all people, believe you are better informed. It is that sort of arrogant nonsense that was Labour's undoing.
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It seems that no one in the Labour party wants to accept ''The poisoned chalice!''
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It is an inability to concede that public services appear to exist largely for the benefit of those who staff them, and only secondarily for the benefit of the general public, that typifies Labour’s refusal to acknowledge how enslaved they are to vested interests . - Heffer.
I think that most Punters now see the quality of public services as suspect and are more questioning, in particular with the NHS, than they have ever been. The idea that a Gov. can nationalise and run major services such as Utilities and/or the railways is treated with very deep suspicion. Clearly the Public Sector has a bad reputation. Best take a close look at NetworkRail if you need and example. current example, of why Statism does not work to the benefit of users. If Labour wishes to win a GE again then it needs to recognise where the electorate are and they certainly are not on the ground where most Labour Activists stand. The UK is centre right and without Scotland even more so.
Note that without the aberration of Blair, who was no dyed in the wool red socialist, Labour last won a GE 50 years ago with Harold Wilson. The idea that Labour needs to distance itself from Blair, currently the position of the Party on the ground, indicates that the chances of gaining power will be more rather than less remote. This is compounded by the impression that the contenders for Leadership are light weights and likely to be interim during the period until someone of substance emerges. I see no Denis Healy or George Brown or even Harold Wilson among the motley lot running for the chalice.
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You know what, I hope he wins. I hope Jeremy Corbyn amazes everyone, wins the whole contest, and gets himself elected Labour leader. I’d love to see him standing there at the dispatch box, opposite David Cameron. Because then, and only then, the Labour Party might finally get it. But it hasn’t got it today. - Dan Hodges
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Only the Labour Party could have contrived to greet the close of nominations for its leader with a raft of headlines about a candidate who is to the Left of Karl Marx and guaranteed not to win the contest.
Is it not amazing that others could not get to me nominated, but they thought that Corbyn is so relevant that they have given him a platform? What does that say about Labour? Blair was successful, in part, because Kinnock kicked out the lefty loons and kept them out. Now one of their ilk could be the next Leader of the Labour Party. What will Joe Voter make of that?
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep Where on earth can they find that if not from the unions? Frank Field Quoting limited to 3 levels deep LINKIt looks like the man considered to be the Labour Party's soul also recognises the problem. He also added: " Shameful comments by some Labour politicians, blaming the electorate for being hoodwinked by Tory propaganda, merely insult the electorate
Talented yes absolutely, deceived and damaged by both the no doubt Tory voting big wallets in the international financial sector and lying insinuations by the Tories. 36% debt/2.6% deficit to GDP before giant greed destroyed the economy.
Yes we all know it was the lying Press that did for Labour. Believe that if you like, but do not expect anyone else to. A bit insulting to Joe Voter is it not that you, of all people, believe you are better informed. It is that sort of arrogant nonsense that was Labour's undoing. You think the average "Joe Voter" bothers to look into the political background of everything ? Or that the often politically misleading headlines on newspapers are not intended to mislead "Joe Voter"?
How many Joe Voters; Knew about or understood the toxic debts from America being hidden in packages and slipped into the financial markets via Wall Street ? How many had a reasonable understanding of the damaging affects those toxic debts had and still has across Western economies ? How many knew that the belated UK growth was not the fastest growing in Europe ? How many understood the implied lies that NL caused the meltdown was in fact a lie ?
That some people still believe NL caused the meltdown is largely because the press failed to keep them informed on the reality of the situation. Where was the honesty, determination and objectivity of the press to ensure people were fully informed ?
Then we have people like RJD who repeatedly posts biased comments from the Tory press, comments that are usually shown to rely on insinuations. And then wants to defend this biased misleading nonsense and pretend it has no affect on "Joe Voter".
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Basically.no-one has any idea who these candidates are..and do not care.. Way to go Labour..
Oh noes they are the candidates of hope In that Labour members are all hoping at least one of them will step up from the inept anaemic personalities they have so far shown themselves to be. Biggest disappointment is Cooper who seems to be so tongue tied lately in fear she might say something of interest.
Cooper is trying to face all directions at the same time. Burnham is the Tories dream and I think the only one that they could/would/should fear is the openly Blairite candidate. Trouble is that although Blair was a winner the rank and file loath him and his Tory based politics. "Tory based politics". He he, you are funny.
Like pulling people out of relative poverty, improving and reequipping run-down schools and hospitals, getting rid of the divisive Tory introduced Grant Maintained Schools, helping low paid workers with NMW and tax credits etc. etc.
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Mary Creagh has dropped out of the Labour leadership race, expressing her dismay at Ed Miliband’s attitude to business and urging the next leader not to regard business as a vested interest with which to pick a fight.
Writing in the Guardian about her decision to stand aside, she warned: “Labour cannot be the party of working people and then disapprove when some working people do very well for themselves and create new businesses, jobs and wealth.”
Firstly, she expresses her "dismay" at Milliband's attitude to business,but,all the time she was working with him, she kept 'mum' about the policies Milliband was persuing.
“Labour cannot be the party of working people and then disapprove when some working people do very well for themselves and create new businesses, jobs and wealth.”
Coming from someone at Milliband's side, this is a complete nonsense.
Does she NOT understand that this country is a 'DEMOCRACY', that 'BUSINESSES' do NOT have 'votes', ONLY the people 'vote',she is using 'TORY' rhetoric(that has FAILED)to project herself as a 'leadership' candidate & has been exposed as a fraud like the rest of her ilk.
The 'Labour Party' needs to understand that the people reject them, because 'Labour' is,like 'religion' a colossal FRAUD.
NO ONE BELIEVES THAT 'LABOUR' STANDS FOR A 'NATIONAL' HEALTH SERVICE, EXISTING WITHOUT 'OUTSOURCING' OR 'STEALTH' PRIVATISATION,OF WHICH PFI EXPOSED THE FRAUD AGAINST THE PEOPLE BY GORDON BROWN & C.o
The TORIES loved PFI, for, even now, it is costing taxpayers many hundreds of millions of pounds, that end up in the pockets of 'TORY' big business pals.
At the current rate, the 'Labour' Party is well on the road to extinction & this contest will not change that. Many conservatives have joined the labour party and paid their £3 to join, Now they can vote in the election and will vote for another no hoper.
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I don't see any of this lot as leadership material.
Labour party are basically screwed until the next election when some new blood can be injected.
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I don't see any of this lot as leadership material.
Labour party are basically screwed until the next election when some new blood can be injected. You have put your finger on the problem, Labour is devoid of talent and anyone with clear leadership skills.
I think they will be out until at least 2025 possibly longer, some think forever unless part of a coalition. You see they have painted themselves into a corner of pro-welfare, pro-Nanny and anti-enterprise and it is now very difficult for them to reverse the situation. Labour has no track record on being positive towards enterprise and wealth creation, at best they just stand aside and watch as spectators on the sidelines. They have to come out as pro-capitalism and that is for them a very difficult thing to do.
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I don't see any of this lot as leadership material.
Labour party are basically screwed until the next election when some new blood can be injected.
You have put your finger on the problem, Labour is devoid of talent and anyone with clear leadership skills. I think they will be out until at least 2025 possibly longer, some think forever unless part of a coalition. You see they have painted themselves into a corner of pro-welfare, pro-Nanny and anti-enterprise and it is now very difficult for them to reverse the situation. Labour has no track record on being positive towards enterprise and wealth creation, at best they just stand aside and watch as spectators on the sidelines. They have to come out as pro-capitalism and that is for them a very difficult thing to do. "IF SOCIALISTS UNDERSTOOD ECONOMICS THEY WOULD NOT BE SOCIALISTS". - F VON HAYEK
If Hayek knew what he was talking about,he wouldn't be Hayek. 
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Basically.no-one has any idea who these candidates are..and do not care.. Way to go Labour..
Not ENTIRELY fair mary, one is the no-hope wannabe chancellor loser's shagging partner ... so not entirely unknown ... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33127323I see one of the others is already protesting about the two with more nominations than her "briefing" against her, and the man who once declared "imshallah we will have a hundred islamics in the house" seems to have nominated the last minute man whilst declaring he has absolutely no intention fo voting for him. And of course the usuals like Diane Abbott complain that the requirement for a candidate to have some support from the parliamentary party means there is a distinct shortage of one eyed polygamous Hungarian transexuals on the list ... Well, lets see how SHE does in the next election for the Mayor of London and how much whinging she does then, it's a shame she did not follow the example of Bernie Grant.
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Clearly you, based on your work experience are well qualified to judge such matters.
Clearly you are wearing both blinkers and rose tinted spectacles. Cameron is already in trouble with several manifesto policies and I do wonder what human rights Cameron wishes to take away from us. Given the Conservatives agreed with them back in 1948:-
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights – adopted in 1948 – enshrines: ◾The right to life, liberty and security ◾The right to a fair trial ◾Protection from torture ◾Freedom of thought, conscience, religion, speech and assembly ◾The right to free elections ◾The right not to be discriminated against
Which ones of those do you disagree with?
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Clearly you, based on your work experience are well qualified to judge such matters.
Clearly you are wearing both blinkers and rose tinted spectacles. Cameron is already in trouble with several manifesto policies and I do wonder what human rights Cameron wishes to take away from us. Given the Conservatives agreed with them back in 1948:- The Universal Declaration of Human Rights – adopted in 1948 – enshrines: ◾The right to life, liberty and security ◾The right to a fair trial ◾Protection from torture ◾Freedom of thought, conscience, religion, speech and assembly ◾The right to free elections ◾The right not to be discriminated against Which ones of those do you disagree with? I do not think that anyone disagrees with that list Papa, I believe that what Cameron is aiming for is the right of the UK as a sovereign state to determine it's own judicial decisions without resort to the ECHR.
In other words, just for example, if our courts decide to deport someone then that is the end of the matter, simple as that really.
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you could not make this up:
Ipso Mori poll suggests that support for Stewart Lewis to be the next Labour leader is higher amongst Labour supporters. But Stewart Lewis does not exist, it was a test designed to see how stupid some voters are. And seems Labour supporters are twice as stupid

Thanks to Order Order http://order-order.com/2015/06/18/ipsos-mori-stewart-lewis-polling-surprisingly-well/#_@/gNXvpFNHZDNvJA
Original poll:
https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3588/Labour-leadership-race-tight-as-no-candidate-is-able-to-open-up-a-clear-lead.aspx
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Mary Creagh has dropped out of the Labour leadership race, expressing her dismay at Ed Miliband’s attitude to business and urging the next leader not to regard business as a vested interest with which to pick a fight.
Writing in the Guardian about her decision to stand aside, she warned: “Labour cannot be the party of working people and then disapprove when some working people do very well for themselves and create new businesses, jobs and wealth.”
Firstly, she expresses her "dismay" at Milliband's attitude to business,but,all the time she was working with him, she kept 'mum' about the policies Milliband was persuing.
“Labour cannot be the party of working people and then disapprove when some working people do very well for themselves and create new businesses, jobs and wealth.”
Coming from someone at Milliband's side, this is a complete nonsense.
Does she NOT understand that this country is a 'DEMOCRACY', that 'BUSINESSES' do NOT have 'votes', ONLY the people 'vote',she is using 'TORY' rhetoric(that has FAILED)to project herself as a 'leadership' candidate & has been exposed as a fraud like the rest of her ilk.
The 'Labour Party' needs to understand that the people reject them, because 'Labour' is,like 'religion' a colossal FRAUD.
NO ONE BELIEVES THAT 'LABOUR' STANDS FOR A 'NATIONAL' HEALTH SERVICE, EXISTING WITHOUT 'OUTSOURCING' OR 'STEALTH' PRIVATISATION,OF WHICH PFI EXPOSED THE FRAUD AGAINST THE PEOPLE BY GORDON BROWN & C.o
The TORIES loved PFI, for, even now, it is costing taxpayers many hundreds of millions of pounds, that end up in the pockets of 'TORY' big business pals.
At the current rate, the 'Labour' Party is well on the road to extinction & this contest will not change that.
Many conservatives have joined the labour party and paid their £3 to join, Now they can vote in the election and will vote for another no hoper. IF it actually happens it would expose the contempt Tories have for our democracy. If they did, it wouldn't surprise me because it would be something I might expect from many of the small minded and immature people who vote for the Conservative party.
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- Jun 13 2015, 12:12 AM
Mary Creagh has dropped out of the Labour leadership race, expressing her dismay at Ed Miliband’s attitude to business and urging the next leader not to regard business as a vested interest with which to pick a fight. Writing in the Guardian about her decision to stand aside, she warned: “Labour cannot be the party of working people and then disapprove when some working people do very well for themselves and create new businesses, jobs and wealth.” Firstly, she expresses her "dismay" at Milliband's attitude to business,but,all the time she was working with him, she kept 'mum' about the policies Milliband was persuing. “Labour cannot be the party of working people and then disapprove when some working people do very well for themselves and create new businesses, jobs and wealth.” Coming from someone at Milliband's side, this is a complete nonsense.
Does she NOT understand that this country is a 'DEMOCRACY', that 'BUSINESSES' do NOT have 'votes', ONLY the people 'vote',she is using 'TORY' rhetoric(that has FAILED)to project herself as a 'leadership' candidate & has been exposed as a fraud like the rest of her ilk. The 'Labour Party' needs to understand that the people reject them, because 'Labour' is,like 'religion' a colossal FRAUD. NO ONE BELIEVES THAT 'LABOUR' STANDS FOR A 'NATIONAL' HEALTH SERVICE, EXISTING WITHOUT 'OUTSOURCING' OR 'STEALTH' PRIVATISATION,OF WHICH PFI EXPOSED THE FRAUD AGAINST THE PEOPLE BY GORDON BROWN & C.o The TORIES loved PFI, for, even now, it is costing taxpayers many hundreds of millions of pounds, that end up in the pockets of 'TORY' big business pals. At the current rate, the 'Labour' Party is well on the road to extinction & this contest will not change that. The basic requirement of a Labour party is to promote fairness, justice and reasonableness in society. PLUS, to create conditions that improve the economic strength of the country.
IN ORDER TO DO THESE THINGS THEY HAVE TO GET ELECTED TO OFFICE WHICH MEANS THEY MUST HAVE POLICIES THAT PEOPLE WILL VOTE FOR.
As has been shown in elections since WWII Old Labour, with the exception of Attlee in 1945, struggle to get elected and only manage to get elected when the Tories have made a cock-up of the economy. Even then, Old Labour are quickly dumped after being elected.
If a different form of funding other than PFIs had been used, where do you think the profits would have gone to, big business perhaps ? The costs of PFIs include 30 years of maintenance, who do you think would have profited from maintenance costs if a different method of funding had been used ? Most PFIs are regarded as a good deal for the tax payer, the exceptions, which helped to give PFIs a bad reputation, were the very early ones, now accepted as a pigs ear.
Stealth privatisation under a New Labour government is a figment of your imagination.
Edited by C-too, Jun 21 2015, 03:15 PM.
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Jun 21 2015, 12:38 PM
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- Jun 14 2015, 03:22 PM
Basically.no-one has any idea who these candidates are..and do not care.. Way to go Labour.. Whoever gets voted in I just hope they come equipped with two robust fairy wands - one marked 'political' and the other marked 'fiscal'.
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Jun 21 2015, 12:41 PM
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" All debt has to be paid one way or another, and borrowing and spending more just accumulates more debt."
Just as Greece is rapidly beginning to realise......at last.
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Jun 21 2015, 12:54 PM
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- Jun 21 2015, 12:41 PM
Just as Greece is rapidly beginning to realise......at last.
There was spokesman for the Bank of Greece on BBC..
Who said ''I am sure we will come to an arrangement for paying back the debt''..
Which sounds to me like...''scrub our debts or we will leave the EU...making way for the other poor countries to leave the EU..make really good friends with Russia...and give thousands of asylum seekers free passes to continue their journey north!''
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Jun 21 2015, 12:55 PM
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- Jun 21 2015, 12:41 PM
" All debt has to be paid one way or another, and borrowing and spending more just accumulates more debt."
Just as Greece is rapidly beginning to realise......at last. A common saying of my parents' and grandparents' generations, before the 1960s push towards the 'never, never' society, was, 'They who go a borrowing, go a sorrowing'.
Home life ceases to be free and beautiful as soon as it is founded on borrowing and debt. - Henrik Ibsen
Whether they run a record company or a grocery store, every boss will tell you you're in big trouble if you're borrowing more than you can ever afford to pay back. Delaying the pain for future generations is suicidal. We've got to start getting the deficit down right now, not next year. - Simon Cowell
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Jun 21 2015, 01:25 PM
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Just as Greece is rapidly beginning to realise......at last.
There was spokesman for the Bank of Greece on BBC.. Who said ''I am sure we will come to an arrangement for paying back the debt''.. Which sounds to me like...''scrub our debts or we will leave the EU...making way for the other poor countries to leave the EU..make really good friends with Russia...and give thousands of asylum seekers free passes to continue their journey north!'' I think it is called EU unity and caring for the common good. It used to be called 'I'm alright jack'.
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