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Labour Leadership Contest; merged thread
Topic Started: May 15 2015, 01:02 PM (2,203 Views)
Tytoalba
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Chuka Umunna withdraws Labour leader bid, Who is left to lead them? The BBC has been attacking UKIP and Farrage for days, but at least they have a leader. Labour are in a state of uncertainty, and we do need a good opposition in the HOC,
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Sep 12 2015, 10:47 AM
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Sep 12 2015, 10:22 AM
Have the beeb got a leaked source ? their wales page title seems all about falling prostrate before the new leader Corbyn, although the first paragraph is rather more their usual mealy mouthed fare, and doesnlt actually crown him ahead of the declaration ...
The election of Corbyn reaffirms Labour's long term ability to shoot itself in the foot.
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That's it, I'm quitting my membership of the Labour Party and looking to emigrate.

The country is now doomed to the Tory Tosspots for ever now. That is not a prospect I could tolerate for my kids and for future generations.
Edited by Lewis, Sep 12 2015, 10:56 AM.
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Lewis
Sep 12 2015, 10:55 AM
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Sep 12 2015, 10:47 AM
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Sep 12 2015, 10:22 AM
Have the beeb got a leaked source ? their wales page title seems all about falling prostrate before the new leader Corbyn, although the first paragraph is rather more their usual mealy mouthed fare, and doesnlt actually crown him ahead of the declaration ...
The election of Corbyn reaffirms Labour's long term ability to shoot itself in the foot.
:facepalm:
That's it, I'm quitting my membership of the Labour Party and looking to emigrate.

The country is now doomed to the Tory Tosspots for ever now. That is not a prospect I could tolerate for my kids and for future generations.
Much as I agree with your analysis please give it a while Lewis. Corbyn might be history inside 18 months.

Those here today, gone tomorrow £3 faux supporters and Tory perverters of political process have had their day no doubt. We've already seen the first front bench resignation, it won't be the last

We could well see the first Leader of the Opposition to be banned from the chamber for lying to the house. That should get the knives out
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Interesting times ahead.
The ones who hoped to 'always keep ahold of (tory) nurse for fear of finding something worse' must be scared to death.
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Phoenix One UK
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The posts are a little hard to follow. but, in any case, note:

Labour leadership: Jeremy Corbyn wins race in stunning victory

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2015/sep/12/labour-announces-leadership-election-result-with-corbyn-tipped-to-win-politics-live
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Steve K
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yes this was the result

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Tom Watson is deputy leader. That should lessen the blow to the fearful.
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Sep 11 2015, 05:06 PM

Apt!
OMG it's great great great grandpappysmurf come to haunt them ...
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Sep 12 2015, 11:25 AM
yes this was the result

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Well, the centre have only themselves to blame.

As was said, why the fuck was the least successful of their candidates even IN the party given her stance on just about anything.

I'm actually rather pleased. Not least because the worthless piece of shite Blair parachuted into this constituency on an all woman ticket hates his guts.

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Ha Corbyn trounced the others
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The magic wand brigade with their naïve heart on sleeve approach take control of Labour. I guess it's time for a laugh, --- again. ;D
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C-too
Sep 12 2015, 11:50 AM
The magic wand brigade with their naïve heart on sleeve approach take control of Labour. I guess it's time for a laugh, --- again. ;D


As a closet Tory you must be delighted. However your wet dream may not come true. Corbyn has a pragmatic deputy leader and a mixed party to lead.
There is no way that the party will lurch to the left..no matter how much you wish it to.
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Sep 12 2015, 10:22 AM
Have the beeb got a leaked source ? their wales page title seems all about falling prostrate before the new leader Corbyn, although the first paragraph is rather more their usual mealy mouthed fare, and doesnlt actually crown him ahead of the declaration ...
The election of Corbyn reaffirms Labour's long term ability to shoot itself in the foot.
:facepalm:
It demonstrates that NL was in reality a charade to con Voters, Labour is solidly behind Corbyn and he represents the Party's general platform. He has a mandate and I expect him to lead the Labour Party into the next GE.
I was struck by the number of times Corbyn found it necessary to use the words; democratic, equality and fair. The usual nebulous guff that political leaders use to swell the hearts of the tribe. Let us see how well Corbyn now does after spending 30 years in the political wilderness.



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Sep 12 2015, 10:47 AM
johnofgwent
Sep 12 2015, 10:22 AM
Have the beeb got a leaked source ? their wales page title seems all about falling prostrate before the new leader Corbyn, although the first paragraph is rather more their usual mealy mouthed fare, and doesnlt actually crown him ahead of the declaration ...
The election of Corbyn reaffirms Labour's long term ability to shoot itself in the foot.
:facepalm:
I think it is time for me to try to understand what they want and stand for , because their way of thinking seems to be so diametrically opposite to my own understanding of politics and its processes.
I always try to put my country and its people first, believing that only overall success will achieve the principles of fairness and equality that all seem to desire. but this personal self interested attitude that I see from the left, dressed up as concern for everyone ands a search for a universal idealistic way of life really is way beyond my comprehension and understanding.

How can anyone believe what Jeremy Corbyn actually proposes? To me it is all quite bizarre, without rationality or reason, a dreamland agenda that is bound to fail and to undermine our overall long term prosperity national cohesion and unity.
I thought the Labour activists would have more sense, but it seems I have been proved to be wrong.
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Serves the other failed leaders right for being blancmanges.

Serves right the people who thought they owned the labour brand.

And hopefully it will serve those who voted for him, to hurt labour's chances too. That'd be fantastically funny.

None of this is good for the country but then neither are the Tories. We don't honestly know just what will happen.
Edited by skwirked, Sep 12 2015, 01:20 PM.
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Tytoalba
Sep 12 2015, 01:06 PM
C-too
Sep 12 2015, 10:47 AM
johnofgwent
Sep 12 2015, 10:22 AM
Have the beeb got a leaked source ? their wales page title seems all about falling prostrate before the new leader Corbyn, although the first paragraph is rather more their usual mealy mouthed fare, and doesnlt actually crown him ahead of the declaration ...
The election of Corbyn reaffirms Labour's long term ability to shoot itself in the foot.
:facepalm:
I think it is time for me to try to understand what they want and stand for , because their way of thinking seems to be so diametrically opposite to my own understanding of politics and its processes.
I always try to put my country and its people first, believing that only overall success will achieve the principles of fairness and equality that all seem to desire. but this personal self interested attitude that I see from the left, dressed up as concern for everyone ands a search for a universal idealistic way of life really is way beyond my comprehension and understanding.

How can anyone believe what Jeremy Corbyn actually proposes? To me it is all quite bizarre, without rationality or reason, a dreamland agenda that is bound to fail and to undermine our overall long term prosperity national cohesion and unity.
I thought the Labour activists would have more sense, but it seems I have been proved to be wrong.
The activists, those on the streets and the door knockers were never Blairites, they were always creatures of the left, Corbyn fans, but they were persuaded to remain schtum in order that Blair/Brown could get their hands on the levers of power. I think now it is not power they are after but to control the body politic of the Labour Party and hence it's agenda. Problem is from where they sit it will be a very long uphill struggle to persuade people to trust them. Corbyn will be very much a senior citizen in 2020 with no experience of running anything in his long life, a serial sucker of the Tit of State, facing a much younger man who had been Chancellor for the previous 10 years. I think the World is getting more dangerous rather than less and Corbyn's naivety of putting heart before head will be his and Labours undoing.

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Sep 12 2015, 12:58 PM
It demonstrates that NL was in reality a charade to con Voters, . .


Rubbish

NL was and imho still is a realistic way of dealing with the seemingly ever increasing social spending by harnessing a productive private sector. And that is the flaw in Corbyn (ie Murphy) economics, they would destroy that private sector so there's no one left to pay the bills.

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gansao
Sep 12 2015, 12:05 PM
C-too
Sep 12 2015, 11:50 AM
The magic wand brigade with their naïve heart on sleeve approach take control of Labour. I guess it's time for a laugh, --- again. ;D


As a closet Tory you must be delighted. However your wet dream may not come true. Corbyn has a pragmatic deputy leader and a mixed party to lead.
There is no way that the party will lurch to the left..no matter how much you wish it to.
The result of the election shows that they have already lurched to the left
When I came in convoy on a troop ship from India during the last war, the ship I was on lurched to the right as everyone rushed to the side when England fist came into view. The captain had to send a message out on the tannoy loud speaker system asking passengers to move to the other side of the ship as the ship was becoming unstable and unmanageable.
Good advice for the Labour party to try to get to the centre and the ship of state upright IMO before they flounder.
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Early blow for Jeremy Corbyn as big names quit

https://www.politicshome.com/party-politics/articles/story/early-blow-jeremy-corbyn-big-names-quit

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Not a good start for Corbyn. Clearly his first major task will be to unite the Labour party. Not that this should come as surprise, as what would happen should he win had been making headlines for a while, and what was predicted has happened.
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gansao
Sep 12 2015, 12:05 PM
C-too
Sep 12 2015, 11:50 AM
The magic wand brigade with their naïve heart on sleeve approach take control of Labour. I guess it's time for a laugh, --- again. ;D


As a closet Tory you must be delighted. However your wet dream may not come true. Corbyn has a pragmatic deputy leader and a mixed party to lead.
There is no way that the party will lurch to the left..no matter how much you wish it to.
Please do not tell LIES about me. Your lack of control exposes your immaturity and reduces any credibility your post might have.
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Tytoalba
Sep 12 2015, 01:22 PM
gansao
Sep 12 2015, 12:05 PM
C-too
Sep 12 2015, 11:50 AM
The magic wand brigade with their naïve heart on sleeve approach take control of Labour. I guess it's time for a laugh, --- again. ;D


As a closet Tory you must be delighted. However your wet dream may not come true. Corbyn has a pragmatic deputy leader and a mixed party to lead.
There is no way that the party will lurch to the left..no matter how much you wish it to.
The result of the election shows that they have already lurched to the left
When I came in convoy on a troop ship from India during the last war, the ship I was on lurched to the right as everyone rushed to the side when England fist came into view. The captain had to send a message out on the tannoy loud speaker system asking passengers to move to the other side of the ship as the ship was becoming unstable and unmanageable.
Good advice for the Labour party to try to get to the centre and the ship of state upright IMO before they flounder.


No it doesnt it shows that labour realises that they have had Tory lite leaders posing as people who could care a shit about the ordinary people.
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Sep 12 2015, 01:26 PM
Early blow for Jeremy Corbyn as big names quit

https://www.politicshome.com/party-politics/articles/story/early-blow-jeremy-corbyn-big-names-quit

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Not a good start for Corbyn. Clearly his first major task will be to unite the Labour party. Not that this should come as surprise, as what would happen should he win had been making headlines for a while, and what was predicted has happened.
Would "the party" unite under a right-wing Tory Government ? They didn't under Thatcher they had the "wets" and the rest.

Will the party unite under socialist Corbyn ? I think the answer is an overwhelming NO.

Too many Labour voters have moved on from Old Labour.
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C-too
Sep 12 2015, 01:30 PM
gansao
Sep 12 2015, 12:05 PM
C-too
Sep 12 2015, 11:50 AM
The magic wand brigade with their naïve heart on sleeve approach take control of Labour. I guess it's time for a laugh, --- again. ;D


As a closet Tory you must be delighted. However your wet dream may not come true. Corbyn has a pragmatic deputy leader and a mixed party to lead.
There is no way that the party will lurch to the left..no matter how much you wish it to.
Please do not tell LIES about me. Your lack of control exposes your immaturity and reduces any credibility your post might have.


Struck a nerve eh? Pointing out the obvious does not show lack of control so thats another projection of your weakness at someone else.
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Sep 12 2015, 01:26 PM
Early blow for Jeremy Corbyn as big names quit

https://www.politicshome.com/party-politics/articles/story/early-blow-jeremy-corbyn-big-names-quit

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Not a good start for Corbyn. Clearly his first major task will be to unite the Labour party. Not that this should come as surprise, as what would happen should he win had been making headlines for a while, and what was predicted has happened.


There you go,Corbyn wants an inclusive Labour party and the Tory lites within it want its destruction.
Theses pieces of shit would rather see the demise of their own party than be an influence within it.
Its sickening.
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Sep 12 2015, 12:58 PM
C-too
Sep 12 2015, 10:47 AM
johnofgwent
Sep 12 2015, 10:22 AM
Have the beeb got a leaked source ? their wales page title seems all about falling prostrate before the new leader Corbyn, although the first paragraph is rather more their usual mealy mouthed fare, and doesnlt actually crown him ahead of the declaration ...
The election of Corbyn reaffirms Labour's long term ability to shoot itself in the foot.
:facepalm:
It demonstrates that NL was in reality a charade to con Voters, Labour is solidly behind Corbyn and he represents the Party's general platform. He has a mandate and I expect him to lead the Labour Party into the next GE.
I was struck by the number of times Corbyn found it necessary to use the words; democratic, equality and fair. The usual nebulous guff that political leaders use to swell the hearts of the tribe. Let us see how well Corbyn now does after spending 30 years in the political wilderness.



Is that why New Labour had ten very good years in office (when compared to the Tories) while in a period of over fifty years, Old Labour only managed 11 years in office ?
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Sep 12 2015, 01:42 PM
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Early blow for Jeremy Corbyn as big names quit

https://www.politicshome.com/party-politics/articles/story/early-blow-jeremy-corbyn-big-names-quit

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Not a good start for Corbyn. Clearly his first major task will be to unite the Labour party. Not that this should come as surprise, as what would happen should he win had been making headlines for a while, and what was predicted has happened.


There you go,Corbyn wants an inclusive Labour party and the Tory lites within it want its destruction.
Theses pieces of shit would rather see the demise of their own party than be an influence within it.
Its sickening.
The Blairites and Brownites clearly do not like the result. Well, it was Labours idea to let the voters decide, and they did.
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Sep 12 2015, 01:40 PM
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Sep 12 2015, 01:30 PM
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Sep 12 2015, 12:05 PM

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Please do not tell LIES about me. Your lack of control exposes your immaturity and reduces any credibility your post might have.


Struck a nerve eh? Pointing out the obvious does not show lack of control so thats another projection of your weakness at someone else.
I would accept your comment but for the fact that the "obvious" from you is more often than not, as it is in this case, nonsense. Even worse on this occasion it is a contrived lie. Probably a case of you projecting your inner thoughts/feelings onto me. Shame on you.
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Sep 12 2015, 01:40 PM
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Sep 12 2015, 01:30 PM
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Sep 12 2015, 12:05 PM

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Please do not tell LIES about me. Your lack of control exposes your immaturity and reduces any credibility your post might have.


Struck a nerve eh? Pointing out the obvious does not show lack of control so thats another projection of your weakness at someone else.
Yeah gan sao please don't tell LIES about him, because easily dismissible comments (if they aren't true:) really effect the average user.
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C-too
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Struck a nerve eh? Pointing out the obvious does not show lack of control so thats another projection of your weakness at someone else.
I would accept your comment but for the fact that the "obvious" from you is more often than not, as it is in this case, nonsense. Even worse on this occasion it is a contrived lie. Probably a case of you projecting your inner thoughts/feelings onto me. Shame on you.


Oh dear, from your projection to you mirroring my post.
You should of come out of the closet as a Tory a long time ago . You should thank me :thumbsup:
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Sep 12 2015, 01:42 PM
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Sep 12 2015, 01:26 PM
Early blow for Jeremy Corbyn as big names quit

https://www.politicshome.com/party-politics/articles/story/early-blow-jeremy-corbyn-big-names-quit

Unquote:=====================

Not a good start for Corbyn. Clearly his first major task will be to unite the Labour party. Not that this should come as surprise, as what would happen should he win had been making headlines for a while, and what was predicted has happened.


There you go,Corbyn wants an inclusive Labour party and the Tory lites within it want its destruction.
Theses pieces of shit would rather see the demise of their own party than be an influence within it.
Its sickening.
The lemmings voted for destruction and you whinge about those who appose it. :facepalm:
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The man is 66 years old FFS..what is he going to do?

Will he be able to keep up??
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Sep 12 2015, 02:01 PM
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Sep 12 2015, 01:56 PM
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Sep 12 2015, 01:40 PM

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I would accept your comment but for the fact that the "obvious" from you is more often than not, as it is in this case, nonsense. Even worse on this occasion it is a contrived lie. Probably a case of you projecting your inner thoughts/feelings onto me. Shame on you.


Oh dear, from your projection to you mirroring my post.
You should of come out of the closet as a Tory a long time ago . You should thank me :thumbsup:
You picked up your limited knowledge on 'projection' from me. Now you want to accuse me of mirroring your post :facepalm:

OK mister liar, it is obvious you are only out to insult.

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Sep 12 2015, 02:01 PM
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Oh dear, from your projection to you mirroring my post.
You should of come out of the closet as a Tory a long time ago . You should thank me :thumbsup:
You picked up your limited knowledge on 'projection' from me. Now you want to accuse me of mirroring your post :facepalm:

OK mister liar, it is obvious you are only out to insult.



How deluded of you to think you were the source of me being aware of Psychological projection but that does follow a pattern with you doesnt it?
You are someone who repeatedly displays it though.
Still enough of mocking the afflicted...jog on !jk!
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C-too
Sep 12 2015, 02:02 PM
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Sep 12 2015, 01:42 PM
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Sep 12 2015, 01:26 PM
Early blow for Jeremy Corbyn as big names quit

https://www.politicshome.com/party-politics/articles/story/early-blow-jeremy-corbyn-big-names-quit

Unquote:=====================

Not a good start for Corbyn. Clearly his first major task will be to unite the Labour party. Not that this should come as surprise, as what would happen should he win had been making headlines for a while, and what was predicted has happened.


There you go,Corbyn wants an inclusive Labour party and the Tory lites within it want its destruction.
Theses pieces of shit would rather see the demise of their own party than be an influence within it.
Its sickening.
The lemmings voted for destruction and you whinge about those who appose it. :facepalm:


The lemmings are the ones throwing themselves out of Labour party influence by betraying the labour party membership.
Like you they would rather support a Tory lite time server than someone who the Labour party feels would represent ordinary people.
Of course you would align yourself with Labour party cynical hypocrites....your hero was one.
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Just a party for the unemployed, students and immigrants wanting a bigger share of money they haven't earned.
No aspiration for wealth creation...and nothing for middle England.
Its just a pipe dream not founded in reality.
Been there, done it, written the book.

I despair. :thud:
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Sep 12 2015, 02:18 PM
Just a party for the unemployed, students and immigrants wanting a bigger share of money they haven't earned.
No aspiration for wealth creation...and nothing for middle England.
Its just a pipe dream not founded in reality.
Been there, done it, written the book.

I despair. :thud:
Yep and the Tories aren't rapidly damaging the prospects for the middle classes are they?

Still if worth dying of aspiration to achieve an impossible (for most) dream of being very wealthy.
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Sep 12 2015, 02:18 PM
Just a party for the unemployed, students and immigrants wanting a bigger share of money they haven't earned.
No aspiration for wealth creation...and nothing for middle England.
Its just a pipe dream not founded in reality.
Been there, done it, written the book.

I despair. :thud:


Why not wait for a bit and see how the party develops?
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Sep 12 2015, 01:26 PM
Early blow for Jeremy Corbyn as big names quit

https://www.politicshome.com/party-politics/articles/story/early-blow-jeremy-corbyn-big-names-quit

Unquote:=====================

Not a good start for Corbyn. Clearly his first major task will be to unite the Labour party. Not that this should come as surprise, as what would happen should he win had been making headlines for a while, and what was predicted has happened.


There you go,Corbyn wants an inclusive Labour party and the Tory lites within it want its destruction.
Theses pieces of shit would rather see the demise of their own party than be an influence within it.
Its sickening.
The lemmings voted for destruction and you whinge about those who appose it. :facepalm:
I think your and gans comments here mirror what will take place within the Labour Party over the next months and years. Labour has a very broad Church and those on the extreme left are a very intolerant lot. I do not think Corbyn will or even be allowed to change his spots, he is very much a man of the left, his own man who was prepared to defy the Party Machine. Labour has gone home to it's house in the wilderness on the lhs of the spectrum. Best if it broke up and those on the right formed a proper SDP, now that would put the sh1ts up the Tories.



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Sep 12 2015, 03:41 PM
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Sep 12 2015, 01:42 PM
The lemmings voted for destruction and you whinge about those who appose it. :facepalm:
I think your and gans comments here mirror what will take place within the Labour Party over the next months and years. Labour has a very broad Church and those on the extreme left are a very intolerant lot. I do not think Corbyn will or even be allowed to change his spots, he is very much a man of the left, his own man who was prepared to defy the Party Machine. Labour has gone home to it's house in the wilderness on the lhs of the spectrum. Best if it broke up and those on the right formed a proper SDP, now that would put the sh1ts up the Tories.





What would put the shits up the Tories would be for Corbyn to make a good stab at leading Labour and expose the intolerance and hypocrisy of both Tories and their twins... the Tory lites.
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RIP Labour


Your and other rightys' wet dream maybe but be careful what you wish for....
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