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Chuka Umunna withdraws Labour leader bid, Who is left to lead them? The BBC has been attacking UKIP and Farrage for days, but at least they have a leader. Labour are in a state of uncertainty, and we do need a good opposition in the HOC,
I have no loyalties to any political party, but I am concerned at what I am seeing. Clearly many MPs have used elections to further their own political careers, but they were democratically elected.
Corbyn had just been elected today, so I will refrain from voicing any opinion on his leadership qualities for awhile. Having said that, I am of the belief that any democratic government needs an opposition. For the present that should be Labour given they have the second largest number of MPs in government.
There you go,Corbyn wants an inclusive Labour party and the Tory lites within it want its destruction. Theses pieces of shit would rather see the demise of their own party than be an influence within it. Its sickening.
Have you noticed that when you have outer fringes of any political movement, their more childish members will often resort to accusing those close to their views of being their sworn enemies, usually using false intrument?
I guess you wouldn't
See if you see the parallel between your post and this?
There you go,Corbyn wants an inclusive Labour party and the Tory lites within it want its destruction. Theses pieces of shit would rather see the demise of their own party than be an influence within it. Its sickening.
Have you noticed that when you have outer fringes of any political movement, their more childish members will often resort to accusing those close to their views of being their sworn enemies, usually using false intrument?
I guess you wouldn't
See if you see the parallel between your post and this?
With respect Steve, swearing or not I think he has a good point.
I saw Ctoo earlier practically laughing as he said it. I mean it is funny, but having sampled his sense of humour p sure it wasn't really meant as a joke.
There are a whole load of backstabbers in labour. I'd link the Ojays song..but you get the drift.:P
There you go,Corbyn wants an inclusive Labour party and the Tory lites within it want its destruction. Theses pieces of shit would rather see the demise of their own party than be an influence within it. Its sickening.
Have you noticed that when you have outer fringes of any political movement, their more childish members will often resort to accusing those close to their views of being their sworn enemies, usually using false intrument?
I guess you wouldn't
See if you see the parallel between your post and this?
Have YOU noticed that when some people have no answer to a point and are desperate to find one they first criticise either the spelling/grammar of the content and if they cant find anything there they criticise the prose. You chose the latter. I used swear words to underline how much I despise these people and to accurately describe them in my natural vernacular. You also found a video to inaccurately compare my post with its contents..only a simpleton would link the two. Anyway , have you any other non points to contribute?
There you go,Corbyn wants an inclusive Labour party and the Tory lites within it want its destruction. Theses pieces of shit would rather see the demise of their own party than be an influence within it. Its sickening.
Have you noticed that when you have outer fringes of any political movement, their more childish members will often resort to accusing those close to their views of being their sworn enemies, usually using false intrument?
I guess you wouldn't
See if you see the parallel between your post and this?
Have YOU noticed that when some people have no answer to a point and are desperate to find one they first criticise either the spelling/grammar of the content and if they cant find anything there they criticise the prose. You chose the latter. I used swear words to underline how much I despise these people and to accurately describe them in my natural vernacular. You also found a video to inaccurately compare my post with its contents..only a simpleton would link the two. Anyway , have you any other non points to contribute?
Perhaps it escaped you that I did not criticise the swearing at all. Rather an inept attempt try at diversion
You really should see that video. Cleese does do a good summary of your position
Have YOU noticed that when some people have no answer to a point and are desperate to find one they first criticise either the spelling/grammar of the content and if they cant find anything there they criticise the prose. You chose the latter. I used swear words to underline how much I despise these people and to accurately describe them in my natural vernacular. You also found a video to inaccurately compare my post with its contents..only a simpleton would link the two. Anyway , have you any other non points to contribute?
Perhaps it escaped you that I did not criticise the swearing at all. Rather an inept attempt try at diversion
You really should see that video. Cleese does do a good summary of your position
I apologise. I assumed that my swearing had some bearing on your false accusation. I actually wasted a minute and a half and watched the video.No he doesnt, perhaps between your ears but not if you actually read my post. What I said was that the tory lites within labour would rather see the demise of their party than support an inclusive leader ...albeit a left winger. You still have no point to make....
Perhaps it escaped you that I did not criticise the swearing at all. Rather an inept attempt try at diversion
You really should see that video. Cleese does do a good summary of your position
I apologise. I assumed that my swearing had some bearing on your false accusation. I actually wasted a minute and a half and watched the video.No he doesnt, perhaps between your ears but not if you actually read my post. What I said was that the tory lites within labour would rather see the demise of their party than support an inclusive leader ...albeit a left winger. You still have no point to make....
I'd have thought the parallel with the juvenile calling of Labour politicians and supporters as "Tories" would have been obvious
I apologise. I assumed that my swearing had some bearing on your false accusation. I actually wasted a minute and a half and watched the video.No he doesnt, perhaps between your ears but not if you actually read my post. What I said was that the tory lites within labour would rather see the demise of their party than support an inclusive leader ...albeit a left winger. You still have no point to make....
I'd have thought the parallel with the juvenile calling of Labour politicians and supporters as "Tories" would have been obvious
As said..only between your ears.There is nothing juvenile about pointing out the truth. There are plenty of labour party politicians that seem show tory traits . Problem is for them is that there has been a groundswell of labour party members who have voted for someone who appears to show very little of them. The problem for the labour party is that even though their new leader is offering to be inclusive they still seem to not want to be part of the team thus I conclude that they would rather see the demise of their party than be a part of it. THIS was my point but you posted a monty python video and had the temerity to call ME juvenile , You also accused me of attempting' diversion' while falsely comparing John cleeses words with my post.Even if they were comparable how would that refute my actual point? TBH you are a bit pathetic arent you?
So a number of shadow cabinet members have resigned. They're all passable for Tories so nothing to worry about there.
I hope the result of this leadership election is a sign that the electorate (excluding the right wing fruit cakes of course - as has been demonstrated by their comments on here already) have worked out exactly what the Gideon and 'Call me Dave' show and co. are really all about and want a true alternative to the fat cat paradise they are striving towards.
The fact the Tories were actually sending members of their party into Corbyn's speeches incognito tells me all I need to about their mentality. Their smear campaign backed by pro Tory media will go into overdrive for the next few months with all sorts of slanderous hyperbole. Corbyn is big enough to ignore it, I hope the rest of the Labour party are too.
Time to attack Tory policies without having to defend or accept embarrassment about previous Tory like policies which NL were associated with.
So a number of shadow cabinet members have resigned. They're all passable for Tories so nothing to worry about there.
I hope the result of this leadership election is a sign that the electorate (excluding the right wing fruit cakes of course - as has been demonstrated by their comments on here already) have worked out exactly what the Gideon and 'Call me Dave' show and co. are really all about and want a true alternative to the fat cat paradise they are striving towards.
The fact the Tories were actually sending members of their party into Corbyn's speeches incognito tells me all I need to about their mentality. Their smear campaign backed by pro Tory media will go into overdrive for the next few months with all sorts of slanderous hyperbole. Corbyn is big enough to ignore it, I hope the rest of the Labour party are too.
Time to attack Tory policies without having to defend or accept embarrassment about previous Tory like policies which NL were associated with.
You picked up your limited knowledge on 'projection' from me. Now you want to accuse me of mirroring your post
OK mister liar, it is obvious you are only out to insult.
How deluded of you to think you were the source of me being aware of Psychological projection but that does follow a pattern with you doesnt it? You are someone who repeatedly displays it though. Still enough of mocking the afflicted...jog on
Have you done any training in the field of psychology ? One might expect less childish digs from anyone who has.
So a number of shadow cabinet members have resigned. They're all passable for Tories so nothing to worry about there.
I hope the result of this leadership election is a sign that the electorate (excluding the right wing fruit cakes of course - as has been demonstrated by their comments on here already) have worked out exactly what the Gideon and 'Call me Dave' show and co. are really all about and want a true alternative to the fat cat paradise they are striving towards.
The fact the Tories were actually sending members of their party into Corbyn's speeches incognito tells me all I need to about their mentality. Their smear campaign backed by pro Tory media will go into overdrive for the next few months with all sorts of slanderous hyperbole. Corbyn is big enough to ignore it, I hope the rest of the Labour party are too.
Time to attack Tory policies without having to defend or accept embarrassment about previous Tory like policies which NL were associated with.
How you can mention smear tactics and not mention Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson I do not know, please give a balanced opinion when making accusations.
So a number of shadow cabinet members have resigned. They're all passable for Tories so nothing to worry about there.
I hope the result of this leadership election is a sign that the electorate (excluding the right wing fruit cakes of course - as has been demonstrated by their comments on here already) have worked out exactly what the Gideon and 'Call me Dave' show and co. are really all about and want a true alternative to the fat cat paradise they are striving towards.
The fact the Tories were actually sending members of their party into Corbyn's speeches incognito tells me all I need to about their mentality. Their smear campaign backed by pro Tory media will go into overdrive for the next few months with all sorts of slanderous hyperbole. Corbyn is big enough to ignore it, I hope the rest of the Labour party are too.
Time to attack Tory policies without having to defend or accept embarrassment about previous Tory like policies which NL were associated with.
How you can mention smear tactics and not mention Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson I do not know, please give a balanced opinion when making accusations.
I think you should read the post again Rich..especially the last line of it.
So a number of shadow cabinet members have resigned. They're all passable for Tories so nothing to worry about there.
I hope the result of this leadership election is a sign that the electorate (excluding the right wing fruit cakes of course - as has been demonstrated by their comments on here already) have worked out exactly what the Gideon and 'Call me Dave' show and co. are really all about and want a true alternative to the fat cat paradise they are striving towards.
The fact the Tories were actually sending members of their party into Corbyn's speeches incognito tells me all I need to about their mentality. Their smear campaign backed by pro Tory media will go into overdrive for the next few months with all sorts of slanderous hyperbole. Corbyn is big enough to ignore it, I hope the rest of the Labour party are too.
Time to attack Tory policies without having to defend or accept embarrassment about previous Tory like policies which NL were associated with.
More support for another major period of old Labour opposition. Some people never learn and left wingers lead the way.
So a number of shadow cabinet members have resigned. They're all passable for Tories so nothing to worry about there.
I hope the result of this leadership election is a sign that the electorate (excluding the right wing fruit cakes of course - as has been demonstrated by their comments on here already) have worked out exactly what the Gideon and 'Call me Dave' show and co. are really all about and want a true alternative to the fat cat paradise they are striving towards.
The fact the Tories were actually sending members of their party into Corbyn's speeches incognito tells me all I need to about their mentality. Their smear campaign backed by pro Tory media will go into overdrive for the next few months with all sorts of slanderous hyperbole. Corbyn is big enough to ignore it, I hope the rest of the Labour party are too.
Time to attack Tory policies without having to defend or accept embarrassment about previous Tory like policies which NL were associated with.
How you can mention smear tactics and not mention Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson I do not know, please give a balanced opinion when making accusations.
Can we have an example of smear tactics from these two ?
I'd have thought the parallel with the juvenile calling of Labour politicians and supporters as "Tories" would have been obvious
As said..only between your ears.There is nothing juvenile about pointing out the truth. There are plenty of labour party politicians that seem show tory traits . Problem is for them is that there has been a groundswell of labour party members who have voted for someone who appears to show very little of them. The problem for the labour party is that even though their new leader is offering to be inclusive they still seem to not want to be part of the team thus I conclude that they would rather see the demise of their party than be a part of it. THIS was my point but you posted a monty python video and had the temerity to call ME juvenile , You also accused me of attempting' diversion' while falsely comparing John cleeses words with my post.Even if they were comparable how would that refute my actual point? TBH you are a bit pathetic arent you?
And socialists who show communist traits ? Should we call Socialists Commy-lites
So a number of shadow cabinet members have resigned. They're all passable for Tories so nothing to worry about there.
I hope the result of this leadership election is a sign that the electorate (excluding the right wing fruit cakes of course - as has been demonstrated by their comments on here already) have worked out exactly what the Gideon and 'Call me Dave' show and co. are really all about and want a true alternative to the fat cat paradise they are striving towards.
The fact the Tories were actually sending members of their party into Corbyn's speeches incognito tells me all I need to about their mentality. Their smear campaign backed by pro Tory media will go into overdrive for the next few months with all sorts of slanderous hyperbole. Corbyn is big enough to ignore it, I hope the rest of the Labour party are too.
Time to attack Tory policies without having to defend or accept embarrassment about previous Tory like policies which NL were associated with.
How you can mention smear tactics and not mention Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson I do not know, please give a balanced opinion when making accusations.
Can we have an example of smear tactics from these two ?
You could, but TBH, I cannot be bothered to trawl for them at present, I will be reverting to mtalworking/machinists forums in a short while and I have not even got round to the "new yankee workshop" yet this week, I'll see what I can find when I have satiated myself with my own selfish interests.
So a number of shadow cabinet members have resigned. They're all passable for Tories so nothing to worry about there.
I hope the result of this leadership election is a sign that the electorate (excluding the right wing fruit cakes of course - as has been demonstrated by their comments on here already) have worked out exactly what the Gideon and 'Call me Dave' show and co. are really all about and want a true alternative to the fat cat paradise they are striving towards.
The fact the Tories were actually sending members of their party into Corbyn's speeches incognito tells me all I need to about their mentality. Their smear campaign backed by pro Tory media will go into overdrive for the next few months with all sorts of slanderous hyperbole. Corbyn is big enough to ignore it, I hope the rest of the Labour party are too.
Time to attack Tory policies without having to defend or accept embarrassment about previous Tory like policies which NL were associated with.
How you can mention smear tactics and not mention Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson I do not know, please give a balanced opinion when making accusations.
Firstly, Tory smearing of Corbyn wasn't an accusation, rather a statement of fact. See above for details and if that's not enough evidence for you then listen out for a plethora of them in next weeks media.
Secondly, Campbell and Mandleson are yesterdays news. They were NL, not Labour and I'm pretty certain they'll not be in the shadow cabinet! Maybe they'll join the Tory party?
If you want to discuss them then please start a new topic and do so as it's totally unrelated to the point I made. I'm sure some Tories will be happy to join you in a slabbering slander fest.
How deluded of you to think you were the source of me being aware of Psychological projection but that does follow a pattern with you doesnt it? You are someone who repeatedly displays it though. Still enough of mocking the afflicted...jog on
Have you done any training in the field of psychology ? One might expect less childish digs from anyone who has.
Which seems to confirm that you haven't doesn't it? Your copy of' teach yourself psychology' is not an actual qualification on your part. I have met a few bullshitters though....... and you are one of them
As said..only between your ears.There is nothing juvenile about pointing out the truth. There are plenty of labour party politicians that seem show tory traits . Problem is for them is that there has been a groundswell of labour party members who have voted for someone who appears to show very little of them. The problem for the labour party is that even though their new leader is offering to be inclusive they still seem to not want to be part of the team thus I conclude that they would rather see the demise of their party than be a part of it. THIS was my point but you posted a monty python video and had the temerity to call ME juvenile , You also accused me of attempting' diversion' while falsely comparing John cleeses words with my post.Even if they were comparable how would that refute my actual point? TBH you are a bit pathetic arent you?
And socialists who show communist traits ? Should we call Socialists Commy-lites
So a number of shadow cabinet members have resigned. They're all passable for Tories so nothing to worry about there.
I hope the result of this leadership election is a sign that the electorate (excluding the right wing fruit cakes of course - as has been demonstrated by their comments on here already) have worked out exactly what the Gideon and 'Call me Dave' show and co. are really all about and want a true alternative to the fat cat paradise they are striving towards.
The fact the Tories were actually sending members of their party into Corbyn's speeches incognito tells me all I need to about their mentality. Their smear campaign backed by pro Tory media will go into overdrive for the next few months with all sorts of slanderous hyperbole. Corbyn is big enough to ignore it, I hope the rest of the Labour party are too.
Time to attack Tory policies without having to defend or accept embarrassment about previous Tory like policies which NL were associated with.
More support for another major period of old Labour opposition. Some people never learn and left wingers lead the way.
You were obviously happy with Tory lite NL based on your comments. I was not and we'll never agree on that point. I've already admitted NL were a better alternative to the Tories. But such a Hobson's choice could never last. If nothing else, Corbyn is a genuine pricipled man and stands as a true alternative to these Tory shysters. If the people of England prefer to be shafted by pro neo corporate fascist Tory policies for the forseeable future then so be it. They'll wake up eventually.
So a number of shadow cabinet members have resigned. They're all passable for Tories so nothing to worry about there.
I hope the result of this leadership election is a sign that the electorate (excluding the right wing fruit cakes of course - as has been demonstrated by their comments on here already) have worked out exactly what the Gideon and 'Call me Dave' show and co. are really all about and want a true alternative to the fat cat paradise they are striving towards.
The fact the Tories were actually sending members of their party into Corbyn's speeches incognito tells me all I need to about their mentality. Their smear campaign backed by pro Tory media will go into overdrive for the next few months with all sorts of slanderous hyperbole. Corbyn is big enough to ignore it, I hope the rest of the Labour party are too.
Time to attack Tory policies without having to defend or accept embarrassment about previous Tory like policies which NL were associated with.
I just hope Corbyn chooses a cabinet with a spine.
Wilderness or PM material?
NO-one knows yet, as gans said and as I have also said, hold your guns.
Have you done any training in the field of psychology ? One might expect less childish digs from anyone who has.
Which seems to confirm that you haven't doesn't it? Your copy of' teach yourself psychology' is not an actual qualification on your part. I have met a few bullshitters though....... and you are one of them
Three sets of letters after my name and a book published, how many letters after your name ? I notice you didn't answer the question, if there is a "bullshitter" here, it's yourself.
Which seems to confirm that you haven't doesn't it? Your copy of' teach yourself psychology' is not an actual qualification on your part. I have met a few bullshitters though....... and you are one of them
Three sets of letters after my name and a book published, how many letters after your name ? I notice you didn't answer the question, if there is a "bullshitter" here, it's yourself.
Which seems to confirm that you haven't doesn't it? Your copy of' teach yourself psychology' is not an actual qualification on your part. I have met a few bullshitters though....... and you are one of them
Three sets of letters after my name and a book published, how many letters after your name ? I notice you didn't answer the question, if there is a "bullshitter" here, it's yourself.
Three sets of letters after my name and a book published, how many letters after your name ? I notice you didn't answer the question, if there is a "bullshitter" here, it's yourself.
Cthulhu MBS?
Actually its' nil by mouth' on the white board by his bed side. He gets a bit confused..
So a number of shadow cabinet members have resigned. They're all passable for Tories so nothing to worry about there.
I hope the result of this leadership election is a sign that the electorate (excluding the right wing fruit cakes of course - as has been demonstrated by their comments on here already) have worked out exactly what the Gideon and 'Call me Dave' show and co. are really all about and want a true alternative to the fat cat paradise they are striving towards.
The fact the Tories were actually sending members of their party into Corbyn's speeches incognito tells me all I need to about their mentality. Their smear campaign backed by pro Tory media will go into overdrive for the next few months with all sorts of slanderous hyperbole. Corbyn is big enough to ignore it, I hope the rest of the Labour party are too.
Time to attack Tory policies without having to defend or accept embarrassment about previous Tory like policies which NL were associated with.
More support for another major period of old Labour opposition. Some people never learn and left wingers lead the way.
You were obviously happy with Tory lite NL based on your comments. I was not and we'll never agree on that point. I've already admitted NL were a better alternative to the Tories. But such a Hobson's choice could never last. If nothing else, Corbyn is a genuine pricipled man and stands as a true alternative to these Tory shysters. If the people of England prefer to be shafted by pro neo corporate fascist Tory policies for the forseeable future then so be it. They'll wake up eventually.
The problem is they never do wake up. 40 years of Tory administration since 1951. 11 years of Old Labour administration. If the Tories work along the lines of CommyLite Labour, opposition is guaranteed. IMO years of opposition should not be acceptable to decent caring individuals.