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| Topic Started: May 15 2015, 01:02 PM (2,233 Views) | |
| Tytoalba | May 15 2015, 01:02 PM Post #1 |
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Chuka Umunna withdraws Labour leader bid, Who is left to lead them? The BBC has been attacking UKIP and Farrage for days, but at least they have a leader. Labour are in a state of uncertainty, and we do need a good opposition in the HOC, |
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| AndyK | Jul 9 2015, 11:07 AM Post #161 |
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It only takes a recession to cause a change of government. Personally, I have never seen a recession, am I just lucky? Edited by AndyK, Jul 9 2015, 11:08 AM.
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| RJD | Jul 10 2015, 08:12 AM Post #162 |
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In short Labour only have to wait and see if the Tories gift them power. Seems they are, based on their current platform, unlikely to deliver electorate friendly new policies. if they do and they indicate votes are to be had then Osborne will steal them. It's politics. |
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| C-too | Jul 10 2015, 03:57 PM Post #163 |
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More controlled than in 1979 ? Maybe. But you forget the decade of discontent that followed Thatcher being elected, your forget the big long term increase in unemployment with many skilled personal having to take low paid jobs, the big increases in those living in relative poverty, the big rise in waiting times for the NHs, the up to 18 months waiting times for operations on the NHS, the worst results from cancer treatments, the running down of the majority of state schools all (and probably more ) resulting in the "broken Society". We may well be in the process of creating another "Broken Society". |
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| johnofgwent | Jul 11 2015, 04:33 AM Post #164 |
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It .. It is GREEN !!
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It seems the best they can do is arrange a "for christ's sake vote against Corbyn or we'll be out of office for decades" campaign http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33490959 |
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| Opinionater | Jul 12 2015, 01:40 PM Post #165 |
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Jeremy Corbyn could he do it, I think he could, interesting guy and no doubt Labour under him would be different from the Tories. They could even become a socialist party again. Currently 8/1 with the bookies think I am going to have a punt on him Edited by Opinionater, Jul 12 2015, 01:45 PM.
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| Steve K | Jul 12 2015, 02:01 PM Post #166 |
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Did you see Harperson on the weekly politics show this morning putting the knife in him without actually naming him? Quite an interesting all round performance by her, almost excellent I'd say. |
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| papasmurf | Jul 12 2015, 05:55 PM Post #167 |
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It is a longish time between now and September 10th, I suspect he could win as well. (Before anyone asks, no, I am not entitled to vote on the leadership contest.) |
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| C-too | Jul 12 2015, 05:58 PM Post #168 |
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There's no point in going back to the 1980s, it has been tried and failed. If the unions wangle Corbin into the position of leader I will have to seriously look elsewhere for a party to support. |
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| Jaria1 | Jul 12 2015, 06:03 PM Post #169 |
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Corbyns support confirms the mediocracy of the others. Is his sudden canditure similar to that of Milibands was by the urging of Unite who have been quick to support him. I hope those with the vote in this contest recall that it was Blair offering a more centrist Labour party that took them from the unelectable left Labour party. Perhaps the PPL. Should invite a canditate to stand and not rely on powerful factions within the party |
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| Rich | Jul 12 2015, 06:11 PM Post #170 |
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I think that Harriet sent out a guarded warning this morning on the Andrew Marr show when she advised that the Leader that was chosen must also appeal to the wider electorate and to be someone that they trusted. It was also telling that she said that Labour would not oppose the benefit and welfare reforms and that Labour must listen to the electorate(in future) as that is why they are now in opposition. |
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| Opinionater | Jul 12 2015, 06:13 PM Post #171 |
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Clearly there are some worried people in the Labour Party, still think he is a good bet for leader |
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| papasmurf | Jul 12 2015, 06:18 PM Post #172 |
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A wrong road to travel, what should be done is what is right no what is populist. It need someone with balls enough to tell he electorate the truth about welfare how they have been and will be royally stuffed by the Tories. The are already mutterings from IDS about changing welfare to privatised insurance based, with the IDS being operated with the hand of Unum up his Jacksie. |
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| Opinionater | Jul 12 2015, 08:07 PM Post #173 |
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I actually think they may have a chance with him. He would offer a socialist direction not seen for some time. OK the party would loose some voters like you but they would pick up loads of floating lefties. Not a fan of the left but I do like a guy who believes in what he stands for. Just put £20 on him to win at 8/1 well if you don't like the left may as well have some money out of them
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| Steve K | Jul 12 2015, 09:10 PM Post #174 |
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Indeed he has in his hand in hand efforts with I assume John Redwood to make the Tories unelectable again. So as I posted earlier, plenty of time for the Tories to make a stuffed donkey leader of Labour the next PM so Corbyn would have a chance |
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| Tytoalba | Jul 12 2015, 10:39 PM Post #175 |
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Please, Please, Please, elect Corbyn. He can follow in the footsteps of Kinnock, Foot and Milliband. Awright. Awright Awright http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TOgB3Smvro |
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| Gnikkk | Jul 12 2015, 10:42 PM Post #176 |
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It matters not who they elect, unless Osbourne replaces Cameron Labour won't be getting anywhere near power very soon. Why, well Osbourne is almost as bean like as Millibean and that's what matters to the masses. |
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| Tigger | Jul 12 2015, 10:56 PM Post #177 |
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Cameron is on record as saying he will not be around for a possible third term, perhaps time for IDS to give it another go?
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| Gnikkk | Jul 12 2015, 11:05 PM Post #178 |
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I think 5 years is a long time, long enough for someone to notice that Ozzy is not the man. William Hague is quite a popular dude. |
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| Tigger | Jul 12 2015, 11:28 PM Post #179 |
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Yeah good point, I never bother with policies myself I just check to see if the candidates wife is shagable and if they are my vote is assured! Won't be voting for Kenneth Clarke ever again though. |
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| C-too | Jul 12 2015, 11:49 PM Post #180 |
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Since 1951 Old Labour has spent 40 years out of office and only 11 years in office. And that is despite the pigs ear the Tories have made of things during their time in office. The Tories have got away with some things while in office that no Labour government would have got away with. When people understand and question why that is the case then perhaps they will understand why Old Labour doesn't stand a chance of being elected. The electorate will not readily vote for Old Labour, when they do they are quickly turned against Labour by Tory propaganda and insinuated lies. Another left-wing leader is the last thing Labour needs. I won't be putting money on Corbin, I will just turn away from Labour and ponder over who will take the place as the major opposition to the greedy trough feeders. Edited by C-too, Jul 12 2015, 11:52 PM.
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| Opinionater | Jul 13 2015, 06:20 AM Post #181 |
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Who would you go for then and why would that leader make labour more electable than they were under Milliband. |
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| C-too | Jul 13 2015, 07:36 AM Post #182 |
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I haven't heard enough from those who would like to be leader so I haven't decided who I think might be best. The one thing I'm convinced of is that a future leader must be of the 'inclusive' kind otherwise the fight against Tory propaganda aided and abetted by the Tory press and increased control of the media, possibly of the BBC ? will be a lost cause before they start. The only person I have heard so far talking inclusiveness is Andy Burnham. |
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| disgruntled porker | Jul 13 2015, 08:18 AM Post #183 |
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I'll partially go against my own principles here and proffer Dan Jarvis. OK, I'm a Barnsleyite, and it goes against the grain to have an MP who does not come from the area, but Dan seems to be a straight talking, honourable individual, with a decent image and an air of quiet confidence. I wouldn't be suprised if he gained a lot of support before the next election. |
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| Opinionater | Jul 13 2015, 08:57 AM Post #184 |
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The 4 candidates are now on TV putting their case forward can't say any are inspiring me. Cooper is coming across slightly better than the others but not much in it I don't know what it is defiantly not his performance on TV but I just think Corbyn will come through. |
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| RJD | Jul 13 2015, 09:12 AM Post #185 |
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Really? There was I thinking that the successful candidate would need your blessing. What was surprising was that Harman effectively offered support to some of IDS welfare reforms. One assumes that she has done this as she approves of them, clearly she could not be playing politics and seeking to get Corbyn to respond in public? Corbyn is a crypto-Marxist and I doubt that he would find such a label as insulting. However, if he wins the Leadership contest then the Tories will be laughing all the way to the Bank. England will not vote for his nonsense, however, the Welsh and Scots might. |
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| Alberich | Jul 13 2015, 09:14 AM Post #186 |
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Corbyn? As a conservative, I rather hope so! |
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| RJD | Jul 13 2015, 09:18 AM Post #187 |
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Nice to see individuals being proud of their Conservative politics, seems that the smear "nasty Party and nasty people" has run it's course. Now we are to accept that the Conservative Party is really The New Worker's Party. Seems that Labour have now successfully vacated that territory and are left with few crumbs. |
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| papasmurf | Jul 13 2015, 09:36 AM Post #188 |
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Why? I am not and never have been a member of any political party. None of them are addressing the elephants in the room of massive over population in Britain, and the electricity generation crisis. |
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| Opinionater | Jul 13 2015, 11:24 AM Post #189 |
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First to criticise your views when I think you are talking rubbish so I have got to say on this I agree with you 100% |
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| Opinionater | Jul 13 2015, 11:34 AM Post #190 |
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And that's why he will stand out from the other 3 and why I think he will win and let's face it labour have a track record of going against populat opinion in selecting their leaders. Having said that I don't agree that the Tories will be laughing all the way to the bank, maybe now they will but in 5 years time come the election, maybe not. They would have to discredit him early on as the left would have time to rebuild and gather stray lefties and just maybe they could muster a credible challenge. |
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| Opinionater | Jul 13 2015, 11:39 AM Post #191 |
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Well i like people who believe in what they preach be they left or right, I think they make good party leaders, so I hope he wins. Not saying I would vote for him but it would make for a more interesting political spectrum. |
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| Opinionater | Jul 13 2015, 11:48 AM Post #192 |
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I wouldn't vote for any party that described itself as "The Workers Party" that's what got labour in trouble. We need parties that describe themselves as "The Party Of All The People" workers, managers, the youth, unemployed, able and disabled. Now if the Tories can tick that box they can have my vote. |
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| papasmurf | Jul 13 2015, 11:52 AM Post #193 |
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They don't and can't and never will. |
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| RJD | Jul 13 2015, 12:41 PM Post #194 |
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If a Political Party is in the image of it's Activists then Labour would accept Corbyn as their Leader. Labour is the Party of Wilson, Foot, Kinnock and Milliband, so why not Corbyn? |
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| papasmurf | Jul 13 2015, 12:48 PM Post #195 |
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Then the Tories are in trouble. |
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| marybrown | Jul 13 2015, 01:06 PM Post #196 |
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Labour has been decimated...It's going to be years before anyone has confidence in this band of no-hopers..
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| Heinrich | Jul 13 2015, 01:52 PM Post #197 |
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New Labour abandoned its radical working class base under the leadership of Tony Blair. They became conservative functionaries, indistinguishable from Tories, except for some individuals such as Jeremy Corbyn, in the political wilderness, people who belong to the tradition you mention, championing those who look toward government rather than the free market and banking for ethics and support. In Scotland the legacy of Labour is to be found in the Scottish National Party and New Labour there and its leader-to-be are as relevant as the English Tories and the Liberal Democrats. Labour voters in Scotland have gone to a radical party of the left and they are not going back. There are no Labour members in sectarian North Ireland either. Wales has Plaid Cymru as a refuge for Labour supporters. Just as New Labour turned its back on its base, so did the Liberal Democrats by enabling the Tories to rule for five long years. It is now up to English radical and working class voters to make something of the remnants left behind after Tony Blair. They have one choice to make, become the Labour party pre-Blair again, represented by Jeremy Corbyn, or ape the Tories, which is the counsel of Harriet Harman, as Liz Kendall hopes. Attempting the latter could get New Labour some marginal seats in the Tory south of England but will get them nowhere in the former industrial north, the Conservative Workers Party Northern Powerhouse. Thinking they can count on the loyalty of the north and win some seats in the south by talking aspirational Tory will show that New Labour has learned no lesson from how they treated their former Scottish supporters. They will remain in oblivion. Labour's only hope for a future is to claim the radical nature of the old Liberal Party coupled with its traditional concern for England's underclass. Only Jeremy Corbyn from the candidates for leadership is up for the job. Edited by Heinrich, Jul 13 2015, 01:55 PM.
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| Tytoalba | Jul 13 2015, 01:59 PM Post #198 |
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If that is the best they have then they are lost in the wilderness,. The vote at the end told it all, with each candidate getting just a handful of votes from the audience,, with a little more voting for none of them. They were almost all completely out of touch with the wished of the British people.and too much talk of working class and the poor. Unless they seek to represent ALL the people from the very rich to the very poor and all in between then I can never see them winning another election for some years to come. If what we saw was the cream of the labour party, then I prefer the condensed milk of the Conservative party The only one that was certain of the direction to travel was Corbyn, and he wanted to go backwards in time. |
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| Alberich | Jul 13 2015, 01:59 PM Post #199 |
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You seem to be ignoring the fact that new labour,under Blair, was elected three times on the trot. Love him, or loathe him, he was a successful party leader. And the fact that their success was because they abandoned what you would call old, or traditional labour policy might suggest that you are talking bollocks. |
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| Heinrich | Jul 13 2015, 02:14 PM Post #200 |
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Had you not used offensive language in your post, I would have given you a reply. |
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