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I wonder if he will spend some on the NHS and Schooling as our are maxed out NOW
Topic Started: Sep 6 2015, 10:50 AM (190 Views)
Jonksy
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We'll use our foreign aid budget to house thousands of Syrian refugees in Britain, George Osborne announces

George Osborne announces 'fundamental rethink' of foreign aid spending
He said more should be spent on Syrian refugees than poverty projects
Chancellor also confirmed that the UK would accept more refugees
But he said ministers would not sign up to an EU-wide relocation scheme

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3224079/Foreign-aid-budget-used-bring-thousands-Syrian-refugees-Britain-George-Osborne-announces.html#ixzz3kxEAh57y

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Jonksy
Sep 6 2015, 10:50 AM
We'll use our foreign aid budget to house thousands of Syrian refugees in Britain, George Osborne announces

George Osborne announces 'fundamental rethink' of foreign aid spending
He said more should be spent on Syrian refugees than poverty projects
Chancellor also confirmed that the UK would accept more refugees
But he said ministers would not sign up to an EU-wide relocation scheme

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3224079/Foreign-aid-budget-used-bring-thousands-Syrian-refugees-Britain-George-Osborne-announces.html#ixzz3kxEAh57y

Is "fundamental rethink" Tory talk for U-Turn, I wonder.
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Jonksy
Sep 6 2015, 10:50 AM
We'll use our foreign aid budget to house thousands of Syrian refugees in Britain, George Osborne announces

George Osborne announces 'fundamental rethink' of foreign aid spending
He said more should be spent on Syrian refugees than poverty projects
Chancellor also confirmed that the UK would accept more refugees
But he said ministers would not sign up to an EU-wide relocation scheme

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3224079/Foreign-aid-budget-used-bring-thousands-Syrian-refugees-Britain-George-Osborne-announces.html#ixzz3kxEAh57y

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Romano Prodi warned Mr Cameron ..........

'This is a general problem, the contradiction of the British negotiation. I think it will not be easy for Cameron to have a positive deal in order to come back to London and say 'Look, I got a lot from Brussels'.'


Mr Cameron is an expert at claiming a victory when defeated in his aims!
But back on topic; I do not see how the impact on public services (recognised) can be squared with further cuts to public spending (Queens Speech).
Are we to see Foreign Aid spending now classified as Public Services spending in yet another 'change' in how spending is re-classified ........ to take old money and call it new money.
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Is there a way to resolve the refugee crisis without spending money?
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Heinrich
Sep 6 2015, 10:56 AM
Jonksy
Sep 6 2015, 10:50 AM
We'll use our foreign aid budget to house thousands of Syrian refugees in Britain, George Osborne announces

George Osborne announces 'fundamental rethink' of foreign aid spending
He said more should be spent on Syrian refugees than poverty projects
Chancellor also confirmed that the UK would accept more refugees
But he said ministers would not sign up to an EU-wide relocation scheme

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3224079/Foreign-aid-budget-used-bring-thousands-Syrian-refugees-Britain-George-Osborne-announces.html#ixzz3kxEAh57y

Is "fundamental rethink" Tory talk for U-Turn, I wonder.
Perhaps 'we' - I mean the Dirty English - should also give over half the State Pension, half the NHS and Wefare budget, and maybe even half of the Scottish Premium to fund and maintain 'refugees' from all those other crappy parts of the world as well? Maybe give a fair quota of the newbies to Scotland,even?

Maybe Switzerland should be pressed harder to take in more as well? One way of spending what is left of that Nazi gold, I suppose.


HH - Perhaps if 'we' could all pray a bit more? Maybe 'we' could stop attempting to topple these countries 'iron men', and just go for controlling their personal accounts abroad, and giving them a bloody good frapping every time they try to be bastards outside of their own country - deducting the cost of doing so from their frozen assets?
Edited by Oddball, Sep 6 2015, 12:42 PM.
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Sep 6 2015, 12:26 PM
Is there a way to resolve the refugee crisis without spending money?
Yes block our borders..... We are full...!!!
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Heinrich
Sep 6 2015, 10:56 AM
Jonksy
Sep 6 2015, 10:50 AM
We'll use our foreign aid budget to house thousands of Syrian refugees in Britain, George Osborne announces

George Osborne announces 'fundamental rethink' of foreign aid spending
He said more should be spent on Syrian refugees than poverty projects
Chancellor also confirmed that the UK would accept more refugees
But he said ministers would not sign up to an EU-wide relocation scheme

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3224079/Foreign-aid-budget-used-bring-thousands-Syrian-refugees-Britain-George-Osborne-announces.html#ixzz3kxEAh57y

Is "fundamental rethink" Tory talk for U-Turn, I wonder.
Practical pragmatism in facing an unexpected and new problem .with out any additional cost to the taxpayers. The left want to take in and help the immigrant,s so what's the problem when he accedes to their wishes?
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Sep 6 2015, 02:14 PM


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Is "fundamental rethink" Tory talk for U-Turn, I wonder.
Practical pragmatism in facing an unexpected and new problem .with out any additional cost to the taxpayers. The left want to take in and help the immigrant,s so what's the problem when he accedes to their wishes?

Practical BS more like.
The Art of which George is well versed.
"We'll cut waste", "We'll make the bankers pay", "we'll stop the abuse of MP's expenses", "we're all in it together". Only a fool would take GO at his word!

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Sep 6 2015, 02:57 PM
Tytoalba
Sep 6 2015, 02:14 PM


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Is "fundamental rethink" Tory talk for U-Turn, I wonder.
Practical pragmatism in facing an unexpected and new problem .with out any additional cost to the taxpayers. The left want to take in and help the immigrant,s so what's the problem when he accedes to their wishes?

Practical BS more like.
The Art of which George is well versed.
"We'll cut waste", "We'll make the bankers pay", "we'll stop the abuse of MP's expenses", "we're all in it together". Only a fool would take GO at his word!

Glad to hear you intend to . ;D
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Sep 6 2015, 05:13 PM
Affa
Sep 6 2015, 02:57 PM
Tytoalba
Sep 6 2015, 02:14 PM


Practical pragmatism in facing an unexpected and new problem .with out any additional cost to the taxpayers. The left want to take in and help the immigrant,s so what's the problem when he accedes to their wishes?

Practical BS more like.
The Art of which George is well versed.
"We'll cut waste", "We'll make the bankers pay", "we'll stop the abuse of MP's expenses", "we're all in it together". Only a fool would take GO at his word!

Glad to hear you intend to . ;D
I have no intention other than to not allow myself to be fooled into believing the lies of this government ........ the difference between us is not that we don't recognise these lies, but that I despise them for it, and you do not, but rather enjoy that these soundbites of good intentions smooth their way - if you were not convinced of this masquerade being so you would join with those that criticise this promised increase in immigrants and damn them for their betrayal.
You have been very vocal in the past in wanting immigration curtailed .........


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Sep 6 2015, 05:47 PM
Tytoalba
Sep 6 2015, 05:13 PM
Affa
Sep 6 2015, 02:57 PM

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Glad to hear you intend to . ;D
I have no intention other than to not allow myself to be fooled into believing the lies of this government ........ the difference between us is not that we don't recognise these lies, but that I despise them for it, and you do not, but rather enjoy that these soundbites of good intentions smooth their way - if you were not convinced of this masquerade being so you would join with those that criticise this promised increase in immigrants and damn them for their betrayal.
You have been very vocal in the past in wanting immigration curtailed .........


I gave a rational and reasonable none partisan comment.. I was not looking for a fight. I do not agree with Cameron with allowing immigrants or refugees in believing in the need for strong actions to act as deterrents. I supported the actions of the Hungarians, and believe that the Austrians and Germans will live to regret allowing such large numbers in to their countries. The whole thing is a mess , and all politicians found wanting IMO
There is talk about putting boots on the ground in Syria,, but that is not what Corbyn would allow. I see no end to the flow of migrants from Africa or elsewhere until harsh measures are taken to deal with them to deter.
There are only two countries in the world that do, and can protect themselves and pick and chose who enters their countries, and that is Australia and New Zealand. Australia took the firm decisions, two years ago not to let any one in, even towing boats to an Island some way away. If people jumped into the water to be rescued they were ignored, and that quickly stopped the habit. You can call me a hardliner on this matter. As In war casualties are to be expected.
I heard opinion polls regarding the coming referendum on staying in Europe is gathering support for the exit camp. We all need to look further into the future when we start complaining about the bedroom tax and the austerity measures, for a downturn in the economy is going to leave us very vulnerable indeed IMO
I do hole I make myself clear?
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Maybe we could steer clear of an almost guaranteed downturn in the economy, by reorientating it so we don't rely on staggering levels of household debt, casino banking, useless unproductive 'services' and the stupid house price scandal.

Just a thought, by all means continue.
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Sep 6 2015, 10:16 PM
Maybe we could steer clear of an almost guaranteed downturn in the economy, by reorientating it so we don't rely on staggering levels of household debt, casino banking, useless unproductive 'services' and the stupid house price scandal.

Just a thought, by all means continue.
We have to deal with the what is, and prepare for the what may be. Being prepared for the worse case scenario, is always the wisest course. In 1938/9 we came close to disaster in not being prepared. Sensible people take out house insurance, get good cover on their car insurance, and keep borrowing and debts to the very minimum. even going without to protect their long term interests. Countries need to follow the same strategy. Osborne is trying to protect our future, and I applaud him for doing so. If he is proved right it will mean that we will be in difficult times when it is realised.
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I agree and Gideons not dealing with the 'what is' at all, he's increased spending and failed to meet his target to reduce the deficit what, 3 times now?

He hasn't reorientated tge economy, he and the gov have welcomed and encouraged reckless casino banking and non-stop spending by consumers too!?

Do you agree with those two things he's done?
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Surely he's been part of the clamp down on the casino banking of 2000 to 2008
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How? It looks like he's encouraged huge financial institutions with dodgy track records to set up shop and feel comfortable in the city.

Also he's presided over several huge banking scandals that he surely must have been made part aware of?

In 2007 he encouraged even more lax regulation. In 2003 he encouraged tax avoidance.

Ok he must have had some part in setting up bank stress tests but show me some evidence of him actually DOING something to curtail reckless banksters?
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Bank stress tests have been a major control mechanism on casino banking. IIRC Osborne has been a major supporter of forcing banks to split casino and normal operations.

But yes when the idiot 2002-7 boom was going on he was cheering the same causal policies too. His only dissent was he thought it should be used to cut taxes.
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Sep 6 2015, 10:50 AM
We'll use our foreign aid budget to house thousands of Syrian refugees in Britain, George Osborne announces

George Osborne announces 'fundamental rethink' of foreign aid spending
He said more should be spent on Syrian refugees than poverty projects
Chancellor also confirmed that the UK would accept more refugees
But he said ministers would not sign up to an EU-wide relocation scheme

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3224079/Foreign-aid-budget-used-bring-thousands-Syrian-refugees-Britain-George-Osborne-announces.html#ixzz3kxEAh57y

Migrant crisis: UK council leaders seek more resources

Council leaders have called on the government to provide more resources to help them house extra refugees that the UK is planning to accept.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34161075

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The UK does not even have enough to support its own homeless people with many young people still living with their parents even after they get maried and have children of their own. And that is just for housing. What of other public srvices? They are all at breaking point as it is.

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George Osborne to divert aid to house refugees

TENS of millions of pounds are to be taken from Britain’s aid budget and handed to councils across the UK to help house refugees from Syria and north Africa, George Osborne has revealed.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/george-osborne-to-divert-aid-to-house-refugees-1-3879108
Edited by Phoenix One UK, Sep 7 2015, 06:05 AM.
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I wonder if the Syrians have thought of this one. Syria is a big place, so why not move out of high risk areas to those where the risk is much much less? A bit like we did, moving children out of high risk areas to low risk areas during the second world war. Or is there more to their epic sojourns across Europe other than simply seeking safe refuge? Just a thought like.
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Yvette Cooper, the Labour leadership candidate and shadow home secretary, has been reported in Telegraph suggesting that Britain should take 50,000 or more refugees. Where on earth does she expect to get the funds and resources for such.  ::)

Note following:

UN agencies 'broke and failing' in face of ever-growing refugee crisis

Damage will be impossible to reverse, warns head of UNHCR, after 10% fall in funding forces cuts to food rations and closure of clinics

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/06/refugee-crisis-un-agencies-broke-failing

Unquote.

The refugee crisis has pushed even UN agencies towards bankruptcy. If they are going bust over this, how on earth does Cooper expect the same not to happen to UK? Hell, as she forgotten that Housing in Britain had itself been an election issue at GE?  ::)
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Hell, as she forgotten that Housing in Britain had itself been an election issue at GE?  ::)
Housing has been an issue since the end of the 2nd World War.
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Sep 7 2015, 08:08 AM
Hell, as she forgotten that Housing in Britain had itself been an election issue at GE?  ::)
Housing has been an issue since the end of the 2nd World War.
Even before then, going back as far as Industrialisation times.

From the 'Victorian Web':

The origins of London slums date back to the mid eighteenth century, when the population of London, or the “Great Wen,” as William Cobbett called it, began to grow at an unprecedented rate. In the last decade of the nineteenth century London's population expanded to four million, which spurred a high demand for cheap housing. London slums arose initially as a result of rapid population growth and industrialisation. They became notorious for overcrowding, unsanitary and squalid living conditions. Most well-off Victorians were ignorant or pretended to be ignorant of the subhuman slum life, and many, who heard about it, believed that the slums were the outcome of laziness, sin and vice of the lower classes. However, a number of socially conscious writers, social investigators, moral reformers, preachers and journalists, who sought solution to this urban malady in the second half of the nineteenth century, argued convincingly that the growth of slums was caused by poverty, unemployment, social exclusion and homelessness.
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Sep 6 2015, 11:45 AM
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Sep 6 2015, 10:50 AM
We'll use our foreign aid budget to house thousands of Syrian refugees in Britain, George Osborne announces

George Osborne announces 'fundamental rethink' of foreign aid spending
He said more should be spent on Syrian refugees than poverty projects
Chancellor also confirmed that the UK would accept more refugees
But he said ministers would not sign up to an EU-wide relocation scheme

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3224079/Foreign-aid-budget-used-bring-thousands-Syrian-refugees-Britain-George-Osborne-announces.html#ixzz3kxEAh57y

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Romano Prodi warned Mr Cameron ..........

'This is a general problem, the contradiction of the British negotiation. I think it will not be easy for Cameron to have a positive deal in order to come back to London and say 'Look, I got a lot from Brussels'.'


Mr Cameron is an expert at claiming a victory when defeated in his aims!
But back on topic; I do not see how the impact on public services (recognised) can be squared with further cuts to public spending (Queens Speech).
Are we to see Foreign Aid spending now classified as Public Services spending in yet another 'change' in how spending is re-classified ........ to take old money and call it new money.
Never Trust a Tory!



Clearly Osborne learned a lot of tricks from his Guru Gordon Brown!
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Sep 7 2015, 08:08 AM
Yvette Cooper, the Labour leadership candidate and shadow home secretary, has been reported in Telegraph suggesting that Britain should take 50,000 or more refugees. Where on earth does she expect to get the funds and resources for such.  ::)

Note following:

UN agencies 'broke and failing' in face of ever-growing refugee crisis

Damage will be impossible to reverse, warns head of UNHCR, after 10% fall in funding forces cuts to food rations and closure of clinics

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/06/refugee-crisis-un-agencies-broke-failing

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The refugee crisis has pushed even UN agencies towards bankruptcy. If they are going bust over this, how on earth does Cooper expect the same not to happen to UK? Hell, as she forgotten that Housing in Britain had itself been an election issue at GE?  ::)
The proposal to rehouse in Europe, with the exception of Germany and Italy which have rapidly declining populations, makes no sense and particularly so for the UK and France who have increasing populations, although it can be claimed that the latter has a lot more space, but it also has a moribund economy finding it difficult to create jobs. The solution is to find a resolution to the problems that stimulate genuine refugees. Economic Migrants should only be allowed to match requirements for labour by the economy and that in the UK is oversubscribed for low skills workers. But how does one force stability in Syria? On what legal basis could we presume to overthrow yet another Dictator? Have we not yet learned that getting rid of Saddam and that Muammar chappy only made a bad situation worse. Cameron is correct we need to deal with the situation in it's local and process genuine Asylum Seekers prior to entry in Europe.
I suggest those that are now in the EU are absorbed by the EU, mainly by Germany, as there is little possibility of sending them elsewhere, then strict procedures and rules to be processed outside of the EU, near to regions of conflict established. Countries in the EU should be free to accept as many economic migrants in total (EU+foreign) it wishes however they will require Work Permits. Each country in EU to police it's own borders. Schengen is a nonsense and clearly does not work. Yes I propose Work Permits for EU citizens that wish to work in the UK on the same basis as such for Australians etc.



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