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David Cameron facing Bedroom Tax rebellion from his OWN MPs
Topic Started: Sep 5 2015, 11:28 PM (342 Views)
Phoenix One UK
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David Cameron facing Bedroom Tax rebellion from his OWN MPs

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/david-cameron-facing-bedroom-tax-6389468

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The bedroom tax reminds me of the failed poll tax, which was scrapped. I believe Labour MPs will vote with Tory rebels on this one, and I suspect the makority of population would equally like to see this one binned.
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Ewill
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Sep 11 2015, 06:53 AM
At the time of the poll tax, there were 3 people living in my house. What those three people paid individually was 3 times what was being paid on the rates. Just as an example, we only got one dustbin emptied, but we had to pay 3 times for that bin emptying. To be fair, we should have had 3 bins provided. To me, it's like using a taxi. You use it alone, you pay the full cost. You share with 3 other people, you pay a quarter of the fare each. What would the reaction be if the taxi driver said "It's full fare for everybody as you have all benefited from the service I have provided"? Small point I know, but it would apply to other things too.

Taking it to a final Tory capitalist train of thought, "everyone should pay for what they get." Well lets examine that one. I remember the council providing a pie chart explaining where the money went. Not many of the items applied to me, so on a truly Tory way of looking at it, I shouldn't have to pay anything much at all. Lets go a little bit deeper and more selfish.

First off, we have the biggest slice of the pie, education. If I were to adopt the Tory mindset, I shouldn't have had to pay anything here. I wasn't using the education system at the time so why should I pay for it? I had no children using it either, so again, why should I have to pay? Let those who use it pay, that's the Tory mindset isn't it? Going further on this particular subject, why should someone with only one child in education be forced to subsidise the education of someone else's children when they have several children using it? Surely the education cost should have been "fairer" with someone having three kids educated paying three times more than someone with only one? It's their choice to have loads of kids, why should those who don't have to subsidise the education of other people's kids? This is the Tory mindset taken to it's logical conclusion. I thank the lord that I am not of the Tory mindset.

Police and fire service: Very rarely need the police personally, as I live in a bit of an isolated backwater. When I have needed them, their response has been next to useless. I could manage without them quite easily, so why should I pay for something I don't use or am dissatisfied with? Basically, the same argument could be said of the fire service. Tory thinking would suggest I should not have to pay for things I personally don't receive. Again, thank the lord I'm not a Tory.

Services and amenities: Again, living in a backwater, there are no such things readily available. Quite a hike to the nearest bus stop. The road and general area I live in is neglected as regards maintenance in every way. Potholed road, dangerous single pavement, poor street lighting, never see a roadsweeper, grass verges and hedgerows never cut. Never gritted in winter. Heavy snow is never cleared. Yet I have to pay for it. I once took a councillor to task over this. His answer was "You pay for your privacy." Funny, I never saw that slice of the pie chart.

We could go into every slice of the communal pie, but I won't be tedious.

However, I'm happy to be part of a community and as such I pay for things other people do benefit from. Thank god I'm not a Tory who thinks you should only pay for what you receive.
<<Just as an example, we only got one dustbin emptied, but we had to pay 3 times for that bin emptying. To be fair, we should have had 3 bins provided. >>>

Three people create three times the amount of rubbish and larger households (round here) can get larger bins than smaller households


<<To me, it's like using a taxi. You use it alone, you pay the full cost. You share with 3 other people, you pay a quarter of the fare each. What would the reaction be if the taxi driver said "It's full fare for everybody as you have all benefited from the service I have provided"? Small point I know, but it would apply to other things too.>>

No , taxis are private private sector and incomparable with local public services , a twin hotel room for single use costs less than two guests in a twin room

Compare it with using a bus or train , passengers pay per person

Just as council services should be charged



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Ewill
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Steve K
Sep 10 2015, 10:50 PM
An interesting interpretation of 'fair' there Ewill>>

Why interesting?

If there are three people and one cake the only ''fair' way of dividing it is in thirds



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Lol defence of the poll tax.

So it's fair that people who didn't have the means should have had to pay or else be ineligible to vote?

Some wish the franchise was never extended eh? Bloody lefties voting, how dare they!
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How many Syrian refugees are you going to house?
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Steve K
Sep 10 2015, 10:50 PM
Ewill
Sep 10 2015, 10:44 PM
papasmurf
Sep 9 2015, 10:18 AM
It failed because for many millions of people the poll tax was hell of lot higher than they had been paying in rates.

You mean that they objected to paying their ''fair share'' of local council charges and would rather local public services remain subsidised by smaller households

Amuses me somewhat that such types whinge and moan that others should pay their fair share of taxes whilst exempting themselves
An interesting interpretation of 'fair' there Ewill

I thought it grossly unfair that Mrs T decided to kill off the only real tax we had that made big houseowners pay more for the benefit they get from an organised society and instead dump the burden on some of the most unable to pay.

I think it comes down to the question of whether you believe it is the job of Local Gov. as well as Central Gov. to redistribute perceived wealth. Many believe that this is not what Council Taxes are for.
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Sep 11 2015, 01:54 PM
How many Syrian refugees are you going to house?
I have put us down for 1 female to help with domestic chores and 1 male to help me in the garden. Must share same bedroom and not stand on toilet seats. The Prayer Room does face Mecca. In leu of free accommodation, heating and electric I will expect at least 10 hours each from such services. Seems fare, but I will have to put a stop to the work I currently provide to locals. You have to do your bit.

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RJD
Sep 11 2015, 02:11 PM
marybrown
Sep 11 2015, 01:54 PM
How many Syrian refugees are you going to house?
I have put us down for 1 female to help with domestic chores and 1 male to help me in the garden. Must share same bedroom and not stand on toilet seats. The Prayer Room does face Mecca. In leu of free accommodation, heating and electric I will expect at least 10 hours each from such services. Seems fare, but I will have to put a stop to the work I currently provide to locals. You have to do your bit.

I could probably give them work in my local stables..

My horse would kick the living daylights out of them..and there would be a lot of work to do..cleaning horsemuck up..

When they came home...I have a rather nice garden shed..electricity...they could wash in the sea..
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Sep 11 2015, 02:11 PM
marybrown
Sep 11 2015, 01:54 PM
How many Syrian refugees are you going to house?
I have put us down for 1 female to help with domestic chores and 1 male to help me in the garden. Must share same bedroom and not stand on toilet seats. The Prayer Room does face Mecca. In leu of free accommodation, heating and electric I will expect at least 10 hours each from such services. Seems fare, but I will have to put a stop to the work I currently provide to locals. You have to do your bit.

Your generosity knows no bounds, what a wonderful kind soul you are.

An inspiration to us all.
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skwirked
Sep 11 2015, 02:50 PM
RJD
Sep 11 2015, 02:11 PM
marybrown
Sep 11 2015, 01:54 PM
How many Syrian refugees are you going to house?
I have put us down for 1 female to help with domestic chores and 1 male to help me in the garden. Must share same bedroom and not stand on toilet seats. The Prayer Room does face Mecca. In leu of free accommodation, heating and electric I will expect at least 10 hours each from such services. Seems fare, but I will have to put a stop to the work I currently provide to locals. You have to do your bit.

Your generosity knows no bounds, what a wonderful kind soul you are.

An inspiration to us all.
How many will you be taking on?

No use talking the talk..you have to walk the walk..

It is an opportunity just to show you are not full of shit..

Please keep us posted... !clp!
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Sep 11 2015, 02:50 PM
RJD
Sep 11 2015, 02:11 PM
marybrown
Sep 11 2015, 01:54 PM
How many Syrian refugees are you going to house?
I have put us down for 1 female to help with domestic chores and 1 male to help me in the garden. Must share same bedroom and not stand on toilet seats. The Prayer Room does face Mecca. In leu of free accommodation, heating and electric I will expect at least 10 hours each from such services. Seems fare, but I will have to put a stop to the work I currently provide to locals. You have to do your bit.

Your generosity knows no bounds, what a wonderful kind soul you are.

An inspiration to us all.
Why thank you for the recognition. What are you going to do to help out? Something equally as productive I hope.
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Yes I will take in some people, the regulations where I live might place some restrictions on what I can do, so we will see.

Perhaps they can pay me by wearing a cap, just so I can expect them to doff it to me everytime our paths cross.
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Sep 11 2015, 04:38 PM
Yes I will take in some people, the regulations where I live might place some restrictions on what I can do, so we will see.

Perhaps they can pay me by wearing a cap, just so I can expect them to doff it to me everytime our paths cross.
Or maybe you could just put a lock on your bedroom door..just in case they decide to cut your throat..
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RJD
Sep 11 2015, 02:06 PM
Steve K
Sep 10 2015, 10:50 PM
Ewill
Sep 10 2015, 10:44 PM

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An interesting interpretation of 'fair' there Ewill

I thought it grossly unfair that Mrs T decided to kill off the only real tax we had that made big houseowners pay more for the benefit they get from an organised society and instead dump the burden on some of the most unable to pay.

I think it comes down to the question of whether you believe it is the job of Local Gov. as well as Central Gov. to redistribute perceived wealth. Many believe that this is not what Council Taxes are for.
Maybe not I don't know, but it is what a decent civilised society could be expected to do.

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Bernard Matthews in Halesworth has just been raided..Illegal immigrants have just been nicked..
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