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Corbyn, the media and the estalishment. Some observations.
Topic Started: Sep 15 2015, 08:50 PM (815 Views)
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They can't quite get their heads round Corbyn yet can they? ;D

I was listening to R4 on the way home from work this evening and was highly amused at what I heard, a pack of reporters tuned up at the TUC conference in Brighton and amazingly there was no buffet laid on for them! No spin doctors handing out copies of the speech Corbyn was about to deliver and no briefing of any kind, the reporter said that he and his mates ended up somewhere outside the conference centre standing in an area where the wheelie bins were kept!  !bgrin!

It got better, they actually had to go in and see him speak, this particular reporter glossed over the content of the speech and criticised the fact that Corbyn had not bothered to seek them out and warned that without them he'd not get his message across, this BBC reporter also snottily claimed that by avoiding the media, as opposed to addressing those you represent first, was a huge error as the BBC, C4, Sky and ITV "were not like the Sun or Mail" the rest of the piece was barely disguised self pity, and to cap it all we had a repeat performance by Norman Smith on the six-o-clock news!

I'm enjoying this! ;D
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Sep 16 2015, 01:26 PM

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No..I'd love Corbyn to bash down the Tory barriers..not going to happen is it?

I do however, admire your enthusiasm..and your false hopes..


Now you find a dead end in stereotyping Corbyn you express perceived limitations in his ability to succeed in an agenda that I never said he could....in an attempt to turn the argument against me.
What I DID say is basically... so far so good.
Personally I think that he will eventually be destroyed by his own MPs but I hope that he will change the political narrative in the UK for a while.
Dont worry, the politics of hate will return...
I am not turning any argument against you..

I have never voted Tory in my life..

I am just not sure he is the man for the job!!
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politico-media_complex

Corbyn's refusal to play the game will see more negative press towards him.

The good thing is that all this negative press is nowhere near as effective today than it was 10 or 20 years ago. Indeed the young of today have an instinctive cynicism when it comes to the mainstream media and their agendas.
The young become older with time, and generally more experienced and better informed, especially when they become PAYE taxpayers on good salaries. Having responsibilities opens their eyes.


On the contrary, they generally THINK they are better informed when they are not. They have an irritating habit of clinging to their prejudices and expecting the young to accept them. If the old are so well informed and wise then why is the world they pass onto the young so fecked up?
The problem with the oldies is that they have never lived up to their responsibilties and their eyes are set on to the kind of world that existed when they were young.
From my own personal experience I believe that radicalism is the politics of the young.

As a very young teenager I was attracted to the politics of the far left and believed all the rhetoric that went with it..................... anti establishment, abolish the monarchy, abolish private ownership, seize inherited wealth, convert large grand houses for the homeless, workers committees to run industries, government control of wages and prices, etc. etc. the list goes on.
I can remember going to a meeting held by Harry Pollit, secretary of the British Communist Party, and getting beaten up by sailors who invaded the meeting over the 'Amethyst' incident.
What mellowed me was listening to Michael Foot, when he contested a local seat against Randolph Churchill. Foot was not so far left as people make him out to be and he made more sense than a lot of the rubbish I had been swallowing.

Over the years I have met some of the people I knew from those days. Like me they have grown up, married, had children and grandchildren. We've had a laugh about those times and wouldn't dream of supporting that kind of politics now.
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Sep 16 2015, 01:39 PM
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He hasn't done anything..apart from hide.. and insult our Queen..


When did he insult the Queen ?
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/605352/Not-Corbyn-s-Finest-Hour-Leader-doesn-t-sing-National-Anthem-at-Battle-of-Britain-service
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When did he insult the Queen ?
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/605352/Not-Corbyn-s-Finest-Hour-Leader-doesn-t-sing-National-Anthem-at-Battle-of-Britain-service


So a republican STANDING respectfully and not singing' god save our gracious queen' is actually insulting our monarch? Do me a favour.
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Sep 16 2015, 08:36 AM


On the contrary, they generally THINK they are better informed when they are not. They have an irritating habit of clinging to their prejudices and expecting the young to accept them. If the old are so well informed and wise then why is the world they pass onto the young so fecked up?
The problem with the oldies is that they have never lived up to their responsibilties and their eyes are set on to the kind of world that existed when they were young.
From my own personal experience I believe that radicalism is the politics of the young.

As a very young teenager I was attracted to the politics of the far left and believed all the rhetoric that went with it..................... anti establishment, abolish the monarchy, abolish private ownership, seize inherited wealth, convert large grand houses for the homeless, workers committees to run industries, government control of wages and prices, etc. etc. the list goes on.
I can remember going to a meeting held by Harry Pollit, secretary of the British Communist Party, and getting beaten up by sailors who invaded the meeting over the 'Amethyst' incident.
What mellowed me was listening to Michael Foot, when he contested a local seat against Randolph Churchill. Foot was not so far left as people make him out to be and he made more sense than a lot of the rubbish I had been swallowing.

Over the years I have met some of the people I knew from those days. Like me they have grown up, married, had children and grandchildren. We've had a laugh about those times and wouldn't dream of supporting that kind of politics now.
So you support dead end right wing politics because it makes more sense to, as you've aged.

Now tell us how it makes sense in improving the country.
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On the contrary, they generally THINK they are better informed when they are not. They have an irritating habit of clinging to their prejudices and expecting the young to accept them. If the old are so well informed and wise then why is the world they pass onto the young so fecked up?
The problem with the oldies is that they have never lived up to their responsibilties and their eyes are set on to the kind of world that existed when they were young.
From my own personal experience I believe that radicalism is the politics of the young.

As a very young teenager I was attracted to the politics of the far left and believed all the rhetoric that went with it..................... anti establishment, abolish the monarchy, abolish private ownership, seize inherited wealth, convert large grand houses for the homeless, workers committees to run industries, government control of wages and prices, etc. etc. the list goes on.
I can remember going to a meeting held by Harry Pollit, secretary of the British Communist Party, and getting beaten up by sailors who invaded the meeting over the 'Amethyst' incident.
What mellowed me was listening to Michael Foot, when he contested a local seat against Randolph Churchill. Foot was not so far left as people make him out to be and he made more sense than a lot of the rubbish I had been swallowing.

Over the years I have met some of the people I knew from those days. Like me they have grown up, married, had children and grandchildren. We've had a laugh about those times and wouldn't dream of supporting that kind of politics now.


Radicalisation seems to be the politics of the old now. Hatred of the poor and migrants in case they steal their benefits. Condoning the spread of zero hour contracts that affect the young more than the established workers and pensioners( that the young support) and clinging on to the anti EU and Muslim xenophobia that permeates old peoples thinking.
The young simply want a good free education and the chance to get good training and a wage that will pay for a decent home and children if they do not have a degree....in fact nothing more than YOU had.
So excuse me if I dismiss both your tale and assertion.
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So a republican STANDING respectfully and not singing' god save our gracious queen' is actually insulting our monarch? Do me a favour.
Yes it is..some form of respect should have been exercised..during the 75th anniversary of the Battle of Britain..

You actually don't have to go along with it..but it is the wrong time to show your ''red flag''..

Millions of people died..surely this bearded wonder could have made an effort..
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I watched PMQs,
Corbyn was coming across as weak/grey/lifeless, whilst Cameron was looking strong and determined. Cameron was actually looking relaxed .
Relying on the public to question and attack Cameron will show Corbyn up as not knowing much about anything.

I was hoping to see if Corbyn could effectively engage with Cameron's answers, but no, merely moved swiftly on to the next selected question. I was hoping At some point he was going to fully engage as leader of the opposition and actually give Cameron a hard time, but no.

Was it because he's been a back bencher all his life, never stood on the front line, never held a cabinet position, never had to defend his departmental record, never had to do any of those things. All he really does is speak at rallys and town hall meetings which are full of people who are already on his side.
Now he's on the front line and being asked direct questions..

How he rates as a good opposition leader and future PM is how he responds when he's put under some pressure.
Time will tell.
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Sep 16 2015, 01:59 PM
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So a republican STANDING respectfully and not singing' god save our gracious queen' is actually insulting our monarch? Do me a favour.
Yes it is..some form of respect should have been exercised..during the 75th anniversary of the Battle of Britain..

You actually don't have to go along with it..but it is the wrong time to show your ''red flag''..

Millions of people died..surely this bearded wonder could have made an effort..



Being a republican does not equate to being 'red',neither does not singing the national anthem.
Not singing the national anthem does not equate to disrespecting our war dead.
If you think that they all fought to save our monarchy then you are wrong.
Also we did not have ' millions' of war dead. Are you seriously saying that by not singing 'god save the queen' Corbyn was insulting our allied dead..like the Russian or the US dead?..give me strength... :facepalm:
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I watched PMQs,
Corbyn was coming across as weak/grey/lifeless, whilst Cameron was looking strong and determined. Cameron was actually looking relaxed .
Relying on the public to question and attack Cameron will show Corbyn up as not knowing much about anything.

I was hoping to see if Corbyn could effectively engage with Cameron's answers, but no, merely moved swiftly on to the next selected question. I was hoping At some point he was going to fully engage as leader of the opposition and actually give Cameron a hard time, but no.

Was it because he's been a back bencher all his life, never stood on the front line, never held a cabinet position, never had to defend his departmental record, never had to do any of those things. All he really does is speak at rallys and town hall meetings which are full of people who are already on his side.
Now he's on the front line and being asked direct questions..

How he rates as a good opposition leader and future PM is how he responds when he's put under some pressure.
Time will tell.
I'm glad you saw it as I did..

He is going to get ripped to pieces..
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I watched PMQs,
Corbyn was coming across as weak/grey/lifeless, whilst Cameron was looking strong and determined. Cameron was actually looking relaxed .
Relying on the public to question and attack Cameron will show Corbyn up as not knowing much about anything.

I was hoping to see if Corbyn could effectively engage with Cameron's answers, but no, merely moved swiftly on to the next selected question. I was hoping At some point he was going to fully engage as leader of the opposition and actually give Cameron a hard time, but no.

Was it because he's been a back bencher all his life, never stood on the front line, never held a cabinet position, never had to defend his departmental record, never had to do any of those things. All he really does is speak at rallys and town hall meetings which are full of people who are already on his side.
Now he's on the front line and being asked direct questions..

How he rates as a good opposition leader and future PM is how he responds when he's put under some pressure.
Time will tell.

He wasnt. He set the PMQ agenda and did not get into the usual knock about. He asked Cameron questions from the public and allowed him to answer.
If you judge Corbyn on how much he wants to engage in a slugfest then you will be disappointed..but Labour voted its present leader into power because it wanted one that was different from the last one...and they got one. :thumbsup:
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Yes it is..some form of respect should have been exercised..during the 75th anniversary of the Battle of Britain..

You actually don't have to go along with it..but it is the wrong time to show your ''red flag''..

Millions of people died..surely this bearded wonder could have made an effort..



Being a republican does not equate to being 'red',neither does not singing the national anthem.
Not singing the national anthem does not equate to disrespecting our war dead.
If you think that they all fought to save our monarchy then you are wrong.
Also we did not have ' millions' of war dead. Are you seriously saying that by not singing 'god save the queen' Corbyn was insulting our allied dead..like the Russian or the US dead?..give me strength... :facepalm:
This is England pal..and you are expected to pay homage to the people who died..and our Queen..just for one day..

I am finding his ''I wont do this..I won't do that'' a tad boring..

I honestly think he is a geriatric nutter...

I bet the Tories are pissing themselves...

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Being a republican does not equate to being 'red',neither does not singing the national anthem.
Not singing the national anthem does not equate to disrespecting our war dead.
If you think that they all fought to save our monarchy then you are wrong.
Also we did not have ' millions' of war dead. Are you seriously saying that by not singing 'god save the queen' Corbyn was insulting our allied dead..like the Russian or the US dead?..give me strength... :facepalm:
This is England pal..and you are expected to pay homage to the people who died..and our Queen..just for one day..

I am finding his ''I wont do this..I won't do that'' a tad boring..

I honestly think he is a geriatric nutter...

I bet the Tories are pissing themselves...



This is the UK pal and if you do not want to sing 'god save our gracious queen' then you need not.
Our military died more to let Corbyn refuse to sing praise to a monarch if he wants than to protect the monarchy themselves or to let pro monarchy little Englanders force others to do their bidding.
What you are saying illustrates what these people fought against.... ;D

The Tories are pissing themselves alright. Thats why the pro Tory media is going into hyperdrive to peddle lies that are consumed by geriatric nutters.
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Sep 16 2015, 02:11 PM
I watched PMQs,
Corbyn was coming across as weak/grey/lifeless, whilst Cameron was looking strong and determined. Cameron was actually looking relaxed .
Relying on the public to question and attack Cameron will show Corbyn up as not knowing much about anything.

I was hoping to see if Corbyn could effectively engage with Cameron's answers, but no, merely moved swiftly on to the next selected question. I was hoping At some point he was going to fully engage as leader of the opposition and actually give Cameron a hard time, but no.

Was it because he's been a back bencher all his life, never stood on the front line, never held a cabinet position, never had to defend his departmental record, never had to do any of those things. All he really does is speak at rallys and town hall meetings which are full of people who are already on his side.
Now he's on the front line and being asked direct questions..

How he rates as a good opposition leader and future PM is how he responds when he's put under some pressure.
Time will tell.
You must have watched a different PMQs to the one I watched.
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This is England pal..and you are expected to pay homage to the people who died..and our Queen..just for one day..

I am finding his ''I wont do this..I won't do that'' a tad boring..

I honestly think he is a geriatric nutter...

I bet the Tories are pissing themselves...



This is the UK pal and if you do not want to sing 'god save our gracious queen' then you need not.
Our military died more to let Corbyn refuse to sing praise to a monarch if he wants than to protect the monarchy themselves or to let pro monarchy little Englanders force others to do their bidding.
What you are saying illustrates what these people fought against.... ;D

The Tories are pissing themselves alright. Thats why the pro Tory media is going into hyperdrive to peddle lies that are consumed by geriatric nutters.
There is such a thing as decorum..and respect..I have covered my head in Muslim countries..

Especially if one is a ''Little Englander''

Born in Chippenham..a wealthy family..

However he will have to reveal where his balls hang at some point??

https://www.google.com/search?q=pictures+of+jeremy+corbyn+hugging+hamas/ira&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CBwQsARqFQoTCPTPoM_j-8cCFQhGFAodXR4GMg&biw=1280&bih=671
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Embracing Gerry Adams and feckin Martin (the kneecapper) Mcguinness..
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I had a soldier friend who had both of them in his sights..and he was told..''not to''..
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Oh dear Stormont is in the shit..because apparently much to our collective amazement..The IRA are still alive and kicking..

And murdering their opponents..
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However he will have to reveal where his balls hang at some point??

When it comes to shaking hands with terrorists:-

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This is the UK pal and if you do not want to sing 'god save our gracious queen' then you need not.
Our military died more to let Corbyn refuse to sing praise to a monarch if he wants than to protect the monarchy themselves or to let pro monarchy little Englanders force others to do their bidding.
What you are saying illustrates what these people fought against.... ;D

The Tories are pissing themselves alright. Thats why the pro Tory media is going into hyperdrive to peddle lies that are consumed by geriatric nutters.
There is such a thing as decorum..and respect..I have covered my head in Muslim countries..

Especially if one is a ''Little Englander''

Born in Chippenham..a wealthy family..

However he will have to reveal where his balls hang at some point??

https://www.google.com/search?q=pictures+of+jeremy+corbyn+hugging+hamas/ira&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CBwQsARqFQoTCPTPoM_j-8cCFQhGFAodXR4GMg&biw=1280&bih=671


Ok so now we have established you cant justify a claim that a republican should sing ' god save our gracious queen' at an event that celebrates the efforts of people who died for our freedom not to have to sing ' god save our gracious queen' if we are republican .
Now we move on to Corbyn meeting with perceived enemies and terrorists.
Have you seen the picture of prince charles with Gerry Adams?
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However he will have to reveal where his balls hang at some point??

When it comes to shaking hands with terrorists:-

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When was the last time you felt terrorised by Jewish people..??
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However he will have to reveal where his balls hang at some point??

When it comes to shaking hands with terrorists:-

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When was the last time you felt terrorised by Jewish people..??


When was the last time you felt terrorised by Hamas?

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There is such a thing as decorum..and respect..I have covered my head in Muslim countries..

Especially if one is a ''Little Englander''

Born in Chippenham..a wealthy family..

However he will have to reveal where his balls hang at some point??

https://www.google.com/search?q=pictures+of+jeremy+corbyn+hugging+hamas/ira&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CBwQsARqFQoTCPTPoM_j-8cCFQhGFAodXR4GMg&biw=1280&bih=671


Ok so now we have established you cant justify a claim that a republican should sing ' god save our gracious queen' at an event that celebrates the efforts of people who died for our freedom not to have to sing ' god save our gracious queen' if we are republican .
Now we move on to Corbyn meeting with perceived enemies and terrorists.
Have you seen the picture of prince charles with Gerry Adams?
I would have found it extremely difficult as they had blown up Earl Mountbatten..

I guess that must be royal ''training''..
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Radicalisation seems to be the politics of the old now. Hatred of the poor and migrants in case they steal their benefits. Condoning the spread of zero hour contracts that affect the young more than the established workers and pensioners( that the young support) and clinging on to the anti EU and Muslim xenophobia that permeates old peoples thinking
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Where on earth do you get crap like this from, do you really believe that older people, (your own relatives perhaps), are guilty of this rubbish that you have written?
How many old people do you know that "hate the poor and migrants"? A lot of old people I know are poor, do you suppose they hate themselves?
My own granddaughter is on a zero hour contract, why would I condone the spread of them?
As for the young supporting the old, do you not think that the old didn't support those who went before them? I paid NI contributions for 51 years, from the day they were introduced. That is what supported the old when I was young.

You can dismiss my tale as much as you like but it wont make any difference to the outcome. Those things I believed in when I was an impressionable teenager, I do not believe in now.
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Ok so now we have established you cant justify a claim that a republican should sing ' god save our gracious queen' at an event that celebrates the efforts of people who died for our freedom not to have to sing ' god save our gracious queen' if we are republican .
Now we move on to Corbyn meeting with perceived enemies and terrorists.
Have you seen the picture of prince charles with Gerry Adams?
I would have found it extremely difficult as they had blown up Earl Mountbatten..

I guess that must be royal ''training''..


He met Gerry Adams. Corbyn met Gerry Adams...........................
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When was the last time you felt terrorised by Jewish people..??


When was the last time you felt terrorised by Hamas?

I don't feel threatened by Hamas..I feel threatened by all the other Muslim nutters who would like to make their way here..

''Wherever Muslims go..they bring their wars with them!''
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He met Gerry Adams. Corbyn met Gerry Adams...........................
of course Jeremy Corbin met Jerry Adams..apparently he has the utmost respect for this feckin murdering..kneecapping terrorist..
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Watched PMQs and thought Corbyn did fine, didn't allow Cam to go off on a tangent. All DC h ad was the 'script' at the end of a multitude of questions about a "strong economy".

Interesting to note that Corbyn helped dictate the tone of the entire house much better. He's straightforward, projects his voice. He did well.

Even silenced the house with some of the very emotional talk on mental health.
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Radicalisation seems to be the politics of the old now. Hatred of the poor and migrants in case they steal their benefits. Condoning the spread of zero hour contracts that affect the young more than the established workers and pensioners( that the young support) and clinging on to the anti EU and Muslim xenophobia that permeates old peoples thinking

Where on earth do you get crap like this from, do you really believe that older people, (your own relatives perhaps), are guilty of this rubbish that you have written?
How many old people do you know that "hate the poor and migrants"? A lot of old people I know are poor, do you suppose they hate themselves?
My own granddaughter is on a zero hour contract, why would I condone the spread of them?
As for the young supporting the old, do you not think that the old didn't support those who went before them? I paid NI contributions for 51 years, from the day they were introduced. That is what supported the old when I was young.

You can dismiss my tale as much as you like but it wont make any difference to the outcome. Those things I believed in when I was an impressionable teenager, I do not believe in now.


If you are against zero hours contracts you should say so and say it loud.
If you think the poor are not getting fair shake and are being demonised you should say so and say it loud.
If you think that you actually paid into a fund that is keeping you in your old age you are deluded. YOUR governments spent YOUR money , its gone..and left to the young to support YOU.
If you were unhappy with that you SHOULD of said so and said it out loud.

Instead you posted some anecdotal bollocks about how you were left wing when you were young and arent now.
What hasnt sunk in and will never sink in is that the young have nothing to learn from you. What history will tell them is that you and your generation were spoilt post war brats that left them with more problems that they found.
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of course Jeremy Corbin met Jerry Adams..apparently he has the utmost respect for this feckin murdering..kneecapping terrorist..


So what is Charles then..the same or a spineless creep who meets and shakes hands his uncles killer( you asserted it) because he was told too...and you want Corbyn to sing songs praising him? ;D
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When was the last time you felt terrorised by Hamas?

I don't feel threatened by Hamas..I feel threatened by all the other Muslim nutters who would like to make their way here..

''Wherever Muslims go..they bring their wars with them!''


So do the Yanks....and the British before the yanks took over...
As for the Muslims..my newsagent is a muslim and AFAIK he has never brought a single war over with him !===
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Sep 16 2015, 02:34 PM
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I watched PMQs,
Corbyn was coming across as weak/grey/lifeless, whilst Cameron was looking strong and determined. Cameron was actually looking relaxed .
Relying on the public to question and attack Cameron will show Corbyn up as not knowing much about anything.

I was hoping to see if Corbyn could effectively engage with Cameron's answers, but no, merely moved swiftly on to the next selected question. I was hoping At some point he was going to fully engage as leader of the opposition and actually give Cameron a hard time, but no.

Was it because he's been a back bencher all his life, never stood on the front line, never held a cabinet position, never had to defend his departmental record, never had to do any of those things. All he really does is speak at rallys and town hall meetings which are full of people who are already on his side.
Now he's on the front line and being asked direct questions..

How he rates as a good opposition leader and future PM is how he responds when he's put under some pressure.
Time will tell.
You must have watched a different PMQs to the one I watched.
Well I don't know which one you watched but did Corbyn engage with Cameron's answers? Did you not think Corbyn seems to be on autopilot going from one selected question to another, rather than responding to what Cameron says.
Granted when he pointed out that some people didn't have the choice about whether to work or not was good, but rather than press that point, Corbyn moved swiftly on to the next selected question.
He can't keep relying on" Bert from Blackburn" questions for the next 5 years.
Cameron used every question to make his own points, and allowing Cameron to give uncontested answers gives credibility to those answers and leaves the viewer having to ponder a few things for themselves, and if it went unchallenged it's hard to say it wasn't by virtue of it going unchallenged.

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I watched PMQs,
Corbyn was coming across as weak/grey/lifeless, whilst Cameron was looking strong and determined. Cameron was actually looking relaxed .
Relying on the public to question and attack Cameron will show Corbyn up as not knowing much about anything.

I was hoping to see if Corbyn could effectively engage with Cameron's answers, but no, merely moved swiftly on to the next selected question. I was hoping At some point he was going to fully engage as leader of the opposition and actually give Cameron a hard time, but no.

Was it because he's been a back bencher all his life, never stood on the front line, never held a cabinet position, never had to defend his departmental record, never had to do any of those things. All he really does is speak at rallys and town hall meetings which are full of people who are already on his side.
Now he's on the front line and being asked direct questions..

How he rates as a good opposition leader and future PM is how he responds when he's put under some pressure.
Time will tell.
You must have watched a different PMQs to the one I watched.
Well I don't know which one you watched but did Corbyn engage with Cameron's answers? Did you not think Corbyn seems to be on autopilot going from one selected question to another, rather than responding to what Cameron says.
Granted when he pointed out that some people didn't have the choice about whether to work or not was good, but rather than press that point, Corbyn moved swiftly on to the next selected question.
He can't keep relying on" Bert from Blackburn" questions for the next 5 years.
Cameron used every question to make his own points, and allowing Cameron to give uncontested answers gives credibility to those answers and leaves the viewer having to ponder a few things for themselves, and if it went unchallenged it's hard to say it wasn't by virtue of it going unchallenged.



PMQs are defined by who out of the two combatants gave the best and most smart arsed answers.
They inevitably end up with 'what about you then?' and cheers and braying from each side.
The kind of PMQs that you expected from Corbyn is rare if ever seen ...
Corbyn explained the kind of PMQs that will follow and achieved it. Maybe the PM answers can be broken down and re fed into future PMQs.
You may expect a leader with a witty repartee and a bag full of put downs and sound bites but I dont think its essential and I dont think it detracts from Corbyn that he refuses to be part of a political bitchfest
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So what is Charles then..the same or a spineless creep who meets and shakes hands his uncles killer( you asserted it) because he was told too...and you want Corbyn to sing songs praising him? ;D
There is a certain decorum..what did you want him to do..nut him..
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So what is Charles then..the same or a spineless creep who meets and shakes hands his uncles killer( you asserted it) because he was told too...and you want Corbyn to sing songs praising him? ;D
There is a certain decorum..what did you want him to do..nut him..


I expected him to nut him as much as I expected a republican to sing ' god save our gracious Queen'.
You are the one who selectively expects others to do what you think they should .
The difference between Corbyn and Charles is that Charles is spoilt brat who does what he is told and Corbyn follows what he feels is right.
Charles should be singing 'God save our gracious Jeremy'. ;D
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Sep 16 2015, 02:51 PM
GANSAO

Radicalisation seems to be the politics of the old now. Hatred of the poor and migrants in case they steal their benefits. Condoning the spread of zero hour contracts that affect the young more than the established workers and pensioners( that the young support) and clinging on to the anti EU and Muslim xenophobia that permeates old peoples thinking

Where on earth do you get crap like this from, do you really believe that older people, (your own relatives perhaps), are guilty of this rubbish that you have written?
How many old people do you know that "hate the poor and migrants"? A lot of old people I know are poor, do you suppose they hate themselves?
My own granddaughter is on a zero hour contract, why would I condone the spread of them?
As for the young supporting the old, do you not think that the old didn't support those who went before them? I paid NI contributions for 51 years, from the day they were introduced. That is what supported the old when I was young.

You can dismiss my tale as much as you like but it wont make any difference to the outcome. Those things I believed in when I was an impressionable teenager, I do not believe in now.


If you are against zero hours contracts you should say so and say it loud.
If you think the poor are not getting fair shake and are being demonised you should say so and say it loud.
If you think that you actually paid into a fund that is keeping you in your old age you are deluded. YOUR governments spent YOUR money , its gone..and left to the young to support YOU.
If you were unhappy with that you SHOULD of said so and said it out loud.

Instead you posted some anecdotal bollocks about how you were left wing when you were young and arent now.
What hasnt sunk in and will never sink in is that the young have nothing to learn from you. What history will tell them is that you and your generation were spoilt post war brats that left them with more problems that they found.
Haha, expect an even friendlier reply.


So many people are confused and think they believe in multiple completely contradictory ideas. True for everyone a bit but a line must be drawn somewhere.
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GANSAO

Radicalisation seems to be the politics of the old now. Hatred of the poor and migrants in case they steal their benefits. Condoning the spread of zero hour contracts that affect the young more than the established workers and pensioners( that the young support) and clinging on to the anti EU and Muslim xenophobia that permeates old peoples thinking

Where on earth do you get crap like this from, do you really believe that older people, (your own relatives perhaps), are guilty of this rubbish that you have written?
How many old people do you know that "hate the poor and migrants"? A lot of old people I know are poor, do you suppose they hate themselves?
My own granddaughter is on a zero hour contract, why would I condone the spread of them?
As for the young supporting the old, do you not think that the old didn't support those who went before them? I paid NI contributions for 51 years, from the day they were introduced. That is what supported the old when I was young.

You can dismiss my tale as much as you like but it wont make any difference to the outcome. Those things I believed in when I was an impressionable teenager, I do not believe in now.


If you are against zero hours contracts you should say so and say it loud.
If you think the poor are not getting fair shake and are being demonised you should say so and say it loud.
If you think that you actually paid into a fund that is keeping you in your old age you are deluded. YOUR governments spent YOUR money , its gone..and left to the young to support YOU.
If you were unhappy with that you SHOULD of said so and said it out loud.

Instead you posted some anecdotal bollocks about how you were left wing when you were young and arent now.
What hasnt sunk in and will never sink in is that the young have nothing to learn from you. What history will tell them is that you and your generation were spoilt post war brats that left them with more problems that they found.
Haha, expect an even friendlier reply.


So many people are confused and think they believe in multiple completely contradictory ideas. True for everyone a bit but a line must be drawn somewhere.

The baby boomer stock answer to youngsters' problems are..'be like us '. Well the young would love to be like them.plenty of jobs, a post war mentality to improve the lot of the working poor, council house gluts , cheap private housing, mortgage friendly inflation, Thatcher selling off utilities and letting them at the trough, buying their council house cheap, buying granny's council house cheap, good company pensions for many etc etc.
It sickens me to the stomach when anyone approaching pension age thinks that they have anything to offer the young. They grew up in post colonial, relatively rich, mixed economy with a social conscience and left a right wing, sink or swim , nationalistic, navel gazing, declining economy run on the politics of fear and greed.
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When was the last time you felt terrorised by Jewish people..??
The picture doesn't reference Jewish people.

It reference Benjamin Netanyahu, the leader of Likud - an Israeli political party- founded by terrorists.

Please stop equating Israel with ALL Jews.

Israel does that deliberately to try and turn justifiable criticism on Israeli policies and actions into some bogey-man, all encompassing Anti-Semitism.

Unfortunately for Israel, and for you, no one with an IQ bigger than their shoe size falls for that lie anymore.

All The Best
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Any real word about what went down though?

Good to encourage people to rely on better info srcs.
You have to check online to get a proper report of what actually went on in the conference, the mainstream media are a bit caught up in what they appear to have made a personality cult fixation!

And the latest horrifying news is that beardie did not sing the national anthem at the Battle of Britain commemorations thus disrespecting the royal family!  :o

Although as he later pointed out (except in tomorrows right wing newspapers of course) he was paying silent respect to those who fought and died in that conflict.
I will take a bet that all the pilots in the Battle of Britain would sing the national Anthem with gusto. Not for thema respectful silence,
Well around 20% of the fighter pilots in the Battle of Britain were foreign pilots..
Mainly, Poles, Czechs, and a few Americans.
I'm sure they wouldn't know the national anthem very well, and I doubt they would sing it.

But what they fought for was our freedom. Many died. Others survived with terrible burns (the Guinea Pig Club). But they gave us, both the freedom to sing the national anthem, and the freedom NOT to sing the national anthem.

One has the freedom to sing or not to sing

And those freedoms should not be compromised.
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I will take a bet that all the pilots in the Battle of Britain would sing the national Anthem with gusto. Not for thema respectful silence,
Well around 20% of the fighter pilots in the Battle of Britain were foreign pilots..
Mainly, Poles, Czechs, and a few Americans.
I'm sure they wouldn't know the national anthem very well, and I doubt they would sing it.

But what they fought for was our freedom. Many died. Others survived with terrible burns (the Guinea Pig Club). But they gave us, both the freedom to sing the national anthem, and the freedom NOT to sing the national anthem.

One has the freedom to sing or not to sing

And those freedoms should not be compromised.


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