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| Our "People's" PMQs; what would we have asked | |
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| Topic Started: Sep 17 2015, 04:57 PM (679 Views) | |
| Steve K | Sep 17 2015, 04:57 PM Post #1 |
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(This may work or fall flat on its face - whatever) what question would any of us have Corbyn ask Cameron? And is anyone bold enough to try to answer any? I suggest best if one question per post. |
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| Steve K | Sep 18 2015, 09:51 PM Post #41 |
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Question 5: Union and General Election voting [Corbyn (Gee)] I'd be grateful Cammer's if you could explain the differences in general election voting requirements and those you propose for Union ballots for a strike. Two main points: Firstly the percentage requirement you are demanding for Unions and secondly the assumption that a non vote counts as a no. Can we apply these criteria to future GEs and if not why not? Not to do so stinks of rank hypocrisy. (no reply yet) |
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| Steve K | Sep 18 2015, 10:00 PM Post #42 |
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Question 6: National Security [Corbyn (Marconi)] Prime Minister, Labour are now a serious risk to national security. Am I safe to leave my house? [Cameron (SK)] You are as safe as we can reasonably assure you in a nuclear armed world with hostile nations, civil wars and terrorism. I would welcome members opposite support to maintain our defence forces and to take the strongest possible action to isolate and defeat terrorism wherever it appears and especially in the UK. Unfortunately their newly elected leadership has publicly espoused the opposite and if elected they would be a serious risk to National Security. But of course I was wrong, the British electorate will never elect those who betray the security of their country. (over to [Corbyn]) |
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| skwirked | Sep 18 2015, 10:10 PM Post #43 |
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Care costs: [Cameron (skwirk)]: Will the leader across the benches refuse to admit that he is the most rebellious MP in the house? If he has not broken any of Labour's manifesto policies, why is it that he sees fit to defy his own party at every turn? Why also had he been denied a position with any responsibility for such a long time? He's certainly had plenty of time. Mr Speaker, the rt hon gent has set the tone for this debate with his confrontational and accusatory question when he started. This runs contrary to his idea of having a more respectful tone in the house. Furthermore, he seems to have abandoned his idea of asking the public for questions because he lacks his own. Well, it's expected of my rt hon friend and the labour party to abandon their principles when it suits. Edited by skwirked, Sep 18 2015, 10:12 PM.
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| Steve K | Sep 18 2015, 10:16 PM Post #44 |
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[Corbyn (SK)] Mr Speaker the Prime Minister seems to have lost the plot. This is questions to the Prime Minister and not rants by the Prime Minister. He hasn't answered the question because he knows he has no answer to the charge that he and his party deceived the electorate. He should call new elections. When will he do that? |
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| skwirked | Sep 18 2015, 10:26 PM Post #45 |
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[Cameron (skwirk)]: Mr speaker, perhaps labour should call an election for a new leader, this one seems incapable of grasping just how hypocritical his own stance is. Labour have consistently failed the elderly and never saw fit to resign over that. They broke Brown's golden rule and never resigned over that either, despite tge fact that it has ruined our economy. Frankly I have heard enough of the rt hon gents diatribe. I call on the speaker to adjudicate on whether the rt hon gents childish snipes should be allowed in a debate. |
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| Steve K | Sep 18 2015, 10:28 PM Post #46 |
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i think we're at the 6 question limit on that care topic. If that happened in the real house Cameron would imho be in so much trouble. |
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| skwirked | Sep 18 2015, 10:30 PM Post #47 |
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Last post or most? I tried to push his usual smug eton bully style as far as I could without going over the edge. But the diatribe bit was a bit of a stretch.
Edited by skwirked, Sep 18 2015, 10:31 PM.
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| Steve K | Sep 18 2015, 10:32 PM Post #48 |
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Most imho but you done well playing that hand. |
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| Tigger | Sep 18 2015, 10:34 PM Post #49 |
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Well lets hope Corbyn does not play the establishment game and does indeed start asking some real and penetrating questions, after all the front benches are full of hedge fund directors, PFI shills and assorted lackeys to vested interests. Perhaps you can now understand present my support for Corbyn........... |
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| Steve K | Sep 18 2015, 10:36 PM Post #50 |
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Not really. Surely this thread shows what you just alluded to, he had all the tenacity of a dead sheep at PMQs last week and we could do far far better. |
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| skwirked | Sep 18 2015, 10:39 PM Post #51 |
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I think he'd get a few warnings then Berk-o would say "Enough!" by about the fifth or sixth :P. |
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| Steve K | Sep 18 2015, 10:49 PM Post #52 |
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Be interested to see Gee or someone take his post 18 forward as a follow up [Corbyn] on the QE question |
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| skwirked | Sep 18 2015, 11:02 PM Post #53 |
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Corb: The only thing we oppose is your narrative that callous austerity is necessary. Your chancellor's economic plans have been refuted by multiple independent bodies. Just recently a report vy the IMF said that inequality is bad for growth, why then are you conmitted to increasing it? My economic plans were backed by 40 economists. I will use QE for the people, I have even had backing from economists on the right wing of politics for my plan. |
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| Tigger | Sep 18 2015, 11:07 PM Post #54 |
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Early days yet, do you always write someone off just because they are different and don't follow the tired old established ways of doing things? I never do in either life or business. Parliament has become a braying zoo for pathetic vested interests and the majority are sick to death of this idiocy, Corbyn is the best hope we have of demolishing this facade where vigorous "debate" only occurs within in a very narrow range that excludes the rottenness within. And get over it New Labour is dead, it is no longer fit for purpose and it's not coming back. |
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| Steve K | Sep 18 2015, 11:10 PM Post #55 |
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[Cameron (SK)] Well well well what should we make of these 40 economists that supposedly back this alternative policy but strangely are never named except for the professional tax dodger Murphy who ghost wrote this supposed policy. Of course he was going to endorse his own work We have worked tirelessly to protect the poorest and most vulnerable with increased tax allowances for the lowest paid, increased benefits, increased real terms funding for the NHS and the triple lock protection for pensions. And we have ensured that this is all paid for with ever higher real terms tax takes from the better off. We are all in this together and we are all in the strongest recovering economy. If members opposite had their way we would all be in it together too, just all in the foul smelly brown stuff Edited by Steve K, Sep 18 2015, 11:12 PM.
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| skwirked | Sep 18 2015, 11:22 PM Post #56 |
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indeed, this is tougherCorb: There's a professional tax dodger across the bench from me and his chancellor who openly advocated for such in 2003. My plans are backed by solid economists, your plans are backed only by the elite such as ghe business leaders you went to - turns out that was dodgy too? Your economic plans have been roundly criticised by organisations from the left and right. You are all in it together, you and your greedy Tory mates shafting the hardworking people of this country that is. |
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| Steve K | Sep 19 2015, 10:27 AM Post #57 |
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[Cameron (SK)] Ah yes 2003, lets all remember. If the honourable member cannot name even one economist to back Murphy's economics then perhaps he can remind the house which party was in power then and how they were a year in to their absurd 6 year false money folly that led to our 2008 bust. We are the party that believes in welfare for the deserving, we are the party that believes in the NHS and we are the party that believes in education for the future because we commit to the strong economy that can sustain these and not the boom today bust tomorrow print money economics of Mr Murphy. ___________________________________________________________________________ (getting tougher this) |
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| skwirked | Sep 19 2015, 03:57 PM Post #58 |
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[Corb (skwirk)]: There's a false money folly going on right now, our household debt is ballooning, we rely on consumer overspending and a ridiculous housing bubble watched over by the chancellor. He does nothing about it. Your party consistently called for more deregulation in opposition and your party actually presided over more recessions than our party has done. When the next crash hits, your policies will have been refuted, but by then it will be too late. Mr speaker, this government want us to repeat the mistakes of the 1930s. I am determined to put a stop to that. Jeremy Lawson of Standard Life has backed my policies, the respected ecobomist Paul Krugerman also does and were Milton Friedman still with us, he would have too. He believed in a thing called 'helicopter money'. I will lend the chancellor a book on it if he so wishes. And one last thing, we are the party of the NHS, the working man and the fair-minded of all classes. While you are busy damaging the economy and the country, we will be busy working out how to fix it. You have in fact increased spending and failed to meet your debt targets, while making people suffer through purely ideological cuts. It's time to end this nonsense and save this country from your immoral, disproven and hypocritical policies and agendas. Edited by skwirked, Sep 19 2015, 04:01 PM.
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| papasmurf | Sep 19 2015, 06:11 PM Post #59 |
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"Prime minister what does Iain Duncan Smith know about you that makes you too scared to sack him?" |
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| Affa | Sep 23 2015, 04:46 PM Post #60 |
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Prime Minister; You were very reassuring when proposing to the electorate that you would protect the most vulnerable in society from the cuts that austerity measures would require. Do you believe you have done so? |
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| skwirked | Sep 23 2015, 05:28 PM Post #61 |
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As Cam re Affa: I Thank you for your question. We have done plenty to shield the vulnerable. We've increased the minimum wage, increased the PA to 10k a year, improved efficiency so that more people are paid their benefits on time, barely reduced key benefits such as ESA, JSA and even increased the amount that people receive in some cases. We have focused on getting people into work which is what will help them. The rich have absorbed most of the cuts, it is a nonsense to say otherwise. The rt hon gent proposes to renationalise the railways and send spending spiralling out of control, by printing more money. How will THAT help the vulnerable. *bangs puny fist* LABOUR. NEVER. LEARN. *idiotic juvenile approvals* |
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| Jonksy | Sep 23 2015, 05:40 PM Post #62 |
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Prime minister why is Osborne still chancellor as he staked his reputation on safe guarding the UK's triple A status? |
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| Affa | Sep 23 2015, 05:49 PM Post #63 |
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The minimum wage increase has yet to come into effect, and for five years these wages have been increased below inflation. The most vulnerable in society, the disabled are worse off now with further assaults on their livelihoods yet to come. But none of this or your weak defence actually answers the question asked .... the most vulnerable were not shielded from the Chancellors austerity cuts at all. |
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| skwirked | Sep 23 2015, 06:02 PM Post #64 |
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I thought the Rt Hon gent wanted to play by his own rules? A respectful debate? Your weak offense says volumes. Under Labour wages increased below inflation too. Brown failed to defend the vulnerable by your hypocritical standards. We have shielded the vulnerable almost entiry from the cuts. Perhaps he would tell the house what his plans would lead to? A downgrading of our rating? Another crash? That is if he can formulate any real policies of his own at all. Here's a polite hint for the leader of the opposition: no one wants the communist manifesto put into practice, socialism is dead. Best you start trying your best to suck up to our policies like Miliband did if you want any non-chance of re-election. Good luck. |
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| skwirked | Sep 23 2015, 06:04 PM Post #65 |
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Nope, they had no defense at the time either. Well played. |
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| Jonksy | Sep 23 2015, 06:21 PM Post #66 |
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Prime minister when is IDS going to live on the £53 per week as he promised rather than poncing from his in laws? |
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| papasmurf | Sep 23 2015, 06:48 PM Post #67 |
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I can't be arsed to shoot all of that down in flames yet again with references. |
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| Affa | Sep 23 2015, 07:06 PM Post #68 |
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Real wages increased every year up to 2008, only falling post bank crisis which caused that reduction. Since when, 2010, real wages have continued to fall year on year, as has living standards. The hypocrisy is the pretence that this recovery has in any way altered those statistics to show an increase in either real wages or living standards. |
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| skwirked | Sep 23 2015, 07:15 PM Post #69 |
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Real wages have been in slow decline since the late-1970s actually. I linked the relevant ONS data in a thread a few days ago, have a look through my posts. Let me try this as Cam though (this is tough-good question): Wages have not been declining, the country is inausterity, everyone has had to take a pay cut. That the leader of the opposition is blind to this, well, frankly it doesn't surprise me one bit! His party's mantra of spend spend spend SIMPLY, DOESNT, WORK. I called for business leaders to provide a pay increase. Blair nor Brown nor Miliband did that. We are the natural party of government for a reason: we balance the books and clean up labour's MESS. |
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| skwirked | Sep 23 2015, 07:17 PM Post #70 |
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Another goldie. I'd ask for IDS to be done for benefit fraud as he fraudulently claimed HB un the 80s.
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| Tigger | Sep 23 2015, 08:04 PM Post #71 |
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Are you sure about this? Banks bailed out to the tune of half a trillion, unsecured credit now outstripping pre depression levels and the British public now flashing the plastic with abandon, and of course personal debt among the worst in the developed World! And whatever you do don't check out the national debt. Thank God the Tories are presiding over this eh?
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| skwirked | Sep 23 2015, 08:10 PM Post #72 |
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I'm acting as Cam, of course that means saying things you dont staunchly believe in yourself. Do you want to be pretend Corbyn? |
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| Jonksy | Sep 23 2015, 10:29 PM Post #73 |
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Prime minister could you please give a single example of just one of your promises that you actually kept and didn't either do a complete U-Turn or water down? |
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| skwirked | Sep 23 2015, 10:33 PM Post #74 |
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I think that'd be easier for him to bat away. I still think the triple A questions the best in this thread this far. No wriggling out of that. Edited by skwirked, Sep 23 2015, 10:37 PM.
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| Affa | Sep 23 2015, 11:51 PM Post #75 |
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![]() Exam under John Major, under Blair, post bank crisis, and under the coalition. Edited by Affa, Sep 23 2015, 11:54 PM.
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| skwirked | Sep 24 2015, 03:26 AM Post #76 |
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And what do those take into account exactly? It's true that real wages fell from 2010, but my claim still stands based on ONS data and lots of other sources I've seen over years. Here's my data: http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/elmr/an-examination-of-falling-real-wages/2010-to-2013/art-an-examination-of-falling-real-wages.html?format=print ![]() " "Real wages growth was volatile during the 1970s when inflation rates were high and variable. Since then growth has fluctuated less, but has been on a broadly downwards trend.There appear to have been small step changes down in real wages growth occurring around the end of each decade, perhaps in response to the UK or global recessions which occurred at those times. Annual real wage growth averaged 2.9% in the 1970s and 1980s, then roughly halved to 1.5% in the 1990s. The rate slowed again to an average of 1.2% in the 2000s, and real wages fell by 2.2% per annum between Q1 2010 and Q2 2013. The chart also shows that the recent episode is the longest sustained period of falling real wages in the UK on record. " Very different to your graph. |
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| Affa | Sep 24 2015, 09:16 AM Post #77 |
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Different, look at the source, and have an open mind. These are for 'real wages', inflation adjusted, so anything positive (+ve) means wages were rising above inflation. i.e. wages were improving. Anything below zero (-ve) means the opposite, that wages were being reduced. As your article states, recessions have a lot to do with that. However we now experience the longest period of negativity on record ....... and that is for ideological/political causes. |
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| Steve K | Sep 24 2015, 10:24 AM Post #78 |
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[Cameron mode (SK)] I commend the honourable member to look at the record of what my colleague said after he was able to see the mess he found in May 2010 and not rely on what the noticeably absent ex shadow chancellor would say was said. When the international markets became aware of the member opposite's written admission that "'Dear chief secretary, I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left," then it was always going to be difficult to maintain Triple A especially as we chose to protect the vulnerable with fully protected welfare during those key years. My colleague the Chancellor explained this and said that were we not to cut in other areas then we would definitely lose Triple A not that anyone could guarantee its retention. [/Cameron mode (SK)] |
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| Affa | Sep 24 2015, 10:40 AM Post #79 |
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Is there any money left today Prime Minister, if there was to be a change in office? If so then I would fail to see why the Chancellor continues to borrow month on month. The prime Minister uses pedantry where joking was displayed. |
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| skwirked | Sep 24 2015, 11:05 AM Post #80 |
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The pm takes the tradition of making a joke and leaving a humorous note to his successor st the bank, out of context. But more importantly: the Chancellor explicitly staked his reputation on our triple A rating, then he has the cheek to demand that we listen to his and others' vacuous witterings! RESIGN! You failed! Your chancellor also failed to meet his targets to cut the deficit! RESIGN! You failed! The chancellor has presided over minuscule growth and a dangerous housing bubble, dangerous levels of household debt and arguably the longest run in falling real term wages on record! We also rely far too heavily on domestic consumer spending! RESIGN! You failed! The economy is going to crash under your watch! RESIGN! You failed! You have broken your promise on care costs, a key manifesto pledge! People are still going to have to sell their houses! RESIGN! And call new elections! Edited by skwirked, Sep 24 2015, 12:07 PM.
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