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Our "People's" PMQs; what would we have asked
Topic Started: Sep 17 2015, 04:57 PM (677 Views)
Steve K
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(This may work or fall flat on its face - whatever)

what question would any of us have Corbyn ask Cameron?

And is anyone bold enough to try to answer any? I suggest best if one question per post.
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Affa
Sep 24 2015, 09:16 AM
skwirked
Sep 24 2015, 03:26 AM

Very different to your graph.
Different, look at the source, and have an open mind.
These are for 'real wages', inflation adjusted, so anything positive (+ve) means wages were rising above inflation. i.e. wages were improving. Anything below zero (-ve) means the opposite, that wages were being reduced. As your article states, recessions have a lot to do with that. However we now experience the longest period of negativity on record ....... and that is for ideological/political causes.


Mine is based on the RPI.

Can you show me the source of yours? I reverse image searched it and found little.

I simply don't believe that real wages have risen adjusting for inflation at any time since the late 70s. Seeing evidence over years, it will take more than one graph from the guardian (that doesnt mention inflation) to change my mind.
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RJD
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Sep 17 2015, 09:50 PM

I'm interested in the bigger picture and the economic basics.

What do you intend to do with the national debt which you have virtually doubled in five years and how many props will you use on the housing market before economic reality finally kicks in and wrecks the economy yet again?
I would support that question(s). I want to know when the Gov. are going to make serious cuts in the cost of the State, start running a surplus and rebalance the economy. I understand why the Chancellor moderated his stance to placate Voters concerns, but the election is over and the UK is not sitting pretty in the Ring of Fire. We are still borrowing from the future to feed current consumption and have had ~7 years to correct this disgraceful situation. As for housing why are Taxpayers subsidising the purchase of private property and the Gov. encouraging individuals, via bribes, to take on such long term financial commitments that they ultimately may not be able to afford due to anticipated hikes in Mortgage rates.



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Ewill
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<<The pm takes the tradition of making a joke and leaving a humorous note to his successor st the bank, out of context.>>


If you say such notes are a tradition where can I see evidence of numerous other such ''humorous'' notes left for other incoming chief secretaries over (say) the past 75 years?
Edited by Ewill, Sep 24 2015, 01:06 PM.
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skwirked
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Use google, it's well known.

So much bilge on this thread..
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Ewill
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skwirked
Sep 24 2015, 01:26 PM
Use google, it's well known.

So much bilge on this thread..
Liam Byrne said it's a tradition - he would say that , wouldn't he? (to misquote Mandy Rice-Davis)

The ONLY previous example of a note to an incoming chief secretary was left by Maudling in 1964

That doesn't make it a tradition
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skwirked
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If you say so !wav!

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Ewill
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skwirked
Sep 24 2015, 04:23 PM
If you say so !wav!

LOL

You claimed it to be a tradition but fail to put your money where your mouth is, typical :thumbsup:

As for PMQ , Corbyn might be able to hold his own on the pros and cons of home made yoghurts

Don't think he's up to much more than that
Edited by Ewill, Sep 24 2015, 04:34 PM.
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Affa
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skwirked
Sep 24 2015, 01:01 PM
Affa
Sep 24 2015, 09:16 AM
skwirked
Sep 24 2015, 03:26 AM

Very different to your graph.
Different, look at the source, and have an open mind.
These are for 'real wages', inflation adjusted, so anything positive (+ve) means wages were rising above inflation. i.e. wages were improving. Anything below zero (-ve) means the opposite, that wages were being reduced. As your article states, recessions have a lot to do with that. However we now experience the longest period of negativity on record ....... and that is for ideological/political causes.


Mine is based on the RPI.

Can you show me the source of yours? I reverse image searched it and found little.

I simply don't believe that real wages have risen adjusting for inflation at any time since the late 70s. Seeing evidence over years, it will take more than one graph from the guardian (that doesnt mention inflation) to change my mind.
Does your memory not inform you of what happened to wages after 1997?
Not only the NMW but to wages in general ..... the graphs reveal it.

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Tigger
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RJD
Sep 24 2015, 01:04 PM
.........start running a surplus and rebalance the economy.
Never is the answer to that, and as long as the City continues to be the focus of any British government you might as well forget it. The City and the banks love debt and the nanny style tit of the taxpayer and will continue to extract rent thus preventing any meaningful change, and you know, if you are honest with yourself, that all we have is yet another variation on the inevitable debt fuelled housing boom that will eventually wreck the economy.
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Affa
Sep 24 2015, 06:27 PM
skwirked
Sep 24 2015, 01:01 PM
Affa
Sep 24 2015, 09:16 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
Mine is based on the RPI.

Can you show me the source of yours? I reverse image searched it and found little.

I simply don't believe that real wages have risen adjusting for inflation at any time since the late 70s. Seeing evidence over years, it will take more than one graph from the guardian (that doesnt mention inflation) to change my mind.
Does your memory not inform you of what happened to wages after 1997?
Not only the NMW but to wages in general ..... the graphs reveal it.

If you won't even bother showing me the original link then patronise me and condescendingly insist that I'm wrong.....clearly that makes you right. (  ::) ).
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Affa
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skwirked
Sep 24 2015, 07:04 PM
Affa
Sep 24 2015, 06:27 PM
skwirked
Sep 24 2015, 01:01 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
Does your memory not inform you of what happened to wages after 1997?
Not only the NMW but to wages in general ..... the graphs reveal it.

If you won't even bother showing me the original link then patronise me and condescendingly insist that I'm wrong.....clearly that makes you right. (  ::) ).
The source of the data is stated on the chart ........ BoE and FT.
The article itself was in the Guardian, which is also stated ....... but for your peace of mind and my not intending to offend (especially since doing so will likely see me eradicated) here ......... http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/oct/18/economy-bleak-british-workers-technology
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skwirked
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Ok thanks, but I want more details about how they came to those conclusions.

The BoE data is an excel spreadsheet (I will have to signup to google docs) and the FT is paywalled.

Fact is that there's a lot of contradictory data around, all of which claims to be inflation- adjusted real wages. I don't often accuse the guardian of bias and I have it bookmarked myself, but I just want more detail.

There's no reason to be rude.

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Steve K
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skwirked
Sep 24 2015, 08:44 PM
. .The BoE data is an excel spreadsheet (I will have to signup to google docs) . . .
You should be able to use the free Excel viewer that Microsoft offer

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/273711



This thread seems to have gone off the rails and no longer is a mock PMQs. Shame but it did better than I feared when I started it. IMHO it's the unanswered questions that show so much about the credibility gaps in this government and where Corbyn could well score points big time. But will he?
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skwirked
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Cheers steve, will have to use online version.

The tangents in this thread are due to people taking it far too literally.

If you can't step out of yourself for a second, then how will you understand what others think?
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Steve K
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skwirked
Sep 24 2015, 09:11 PM
Cheers steve, will have to use online version.

The tangents in this thread are due to people taking it far too literally.

If you can't step out of yourself for a second, then how will you understand what others think?
Quite. At least you tried hard to make it work
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Affa
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skwirked
Sep 24 2015, 08:44 PM


There's no reason to be rude.


Well for the record I thought your sarcastic comments demanding I link to the data were uncalled for - but no doubt you felt justified.
As for what you read as rudeness and I intended as explanation, well, I guess I can expect further censure and the sands of time I have running further dry.

Edited by Affa, Sep 24 2015, 10:05 PM.
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skwirked
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Ah ok, apologies if it was unintentional. My comments were a response to what I thought were intentionally patronising comments.
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Sep 24 2015, 10:18 PM
Ah ok, apologies if it was unintentional. My comments were a response to what I thought were intentionally patronising comments.
!tkq!
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skwirked
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New Qs? What with all the recent kerfuffling around the autumn statement et al. I can think of one:


The OBR has been discredited several times over, you've done a massive u-turn; the biggest to date. You base your falsified windfall on provenly incorrect OBR predictions; the tax credit cuts were a disaster as was the rest of your budget as shown by the IFS multiple times.

All your economic plans are doomed to fail. Will you not do the decent thing and resign your Chancer?
Edited by skwirked, Nov 26 2015, 02:55 PM.
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Nov 26 2015, 02:53 PM
New Qs? What with all the recent kerfuffling around the autumn statement et al. I can think of one:


The OBR has been discredited several times over, you've done a massive u-turn; the biggest to date. You base your falsified windfall on provenly incorrect OBR predictions; the tax credit cuts were a disaster as was the rest of your budget as shown by the IFS multiple times.

All your economic plans are doomed to fail. Will you not do the decent thing and resign your Chancer?

What galls me as much as Osborne's spin, is the assertion that the OBR (which he set up to be a check on the Treasury) is 'independent'.
It is in reality his personal PR team doing their damndest to make him look good.
And paid for by you and me!


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