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10 Reasons NOT to vote for Corbyn; Corbyn may have won the Labour leadership, but columnist Cyril Waugh-Monger warns against him ever becoming prime minister.
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Corbyn may have won the Labour leadership, but columnist Cyril Waugh-Monger warns against him ever becoming prime minister.
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David Cameron and Jeremy Corbyn face each other in parliament at the first Prime Minister's Question time for the newly-elected leader of the Labour party. THE BIG political story in the UK this summer was undoubtedly 'Corbynmania'. How a 66-year-old antiwar activist and socialist had gone from being the rank 200-1 outsider in the Labour leadership contest election to be the red-hot favorite, and then the eventual winner.
Jeremy Corbyn, a modest, unassuming man who wears an open necked shirt and slacks instead of the usual politician's suit and tie, has really proved a big hit with the public, who have grown tired of slick politicians who are always 'on message', and who don't seem at all sincere in what they're saying.
Not everyone though has welcomed Corbyn's advance. One man who has made repeated warnings about the 'dangers' of Jeremy Corbyn is Cyril Waugh-Monger, a 'Very Important' newspaper columnist for the NeoCon Daily, a patron of the Senator Joe McCarthy Appreciation Society and the author of 'Why the Iraq War was a Brilliant Idea', as well as 'The Humanitarian Case for Bombing Syria'.
Below are Mr Waugh-Monger's ten commandments telling UK electors why they should not, under any circumstances, vote for Jeremy Corbyn.
1. Jeremy Corbyn wants to 'stop the war'.
Jeremy Corbyn opposed the bombing of Yugoslavia. He opposed the invasion of Afghanistan. He was against the invasion of Iraq. He was against bombing Libya and also voted against military action in Syria.
I ask you – is this the sort of man who is fit to be prime minister?
If Corbyn – heaven forbid – had been British Prime Minister in 2003 he would not have committed British troops to the invasion of Iraq. Just imagine what would have happened if we hadn't invaded Iraq! Well, I'll tell you what would have happened – the Middle East would now be a haven for terrorist groups which would be targeting British tourists on beaches when they go on their summer holidays. The whole Middle East would now be in turmoil. We'd be facing a refugee crisis with people fleeing all the countries that we hadn't destabilized.
2. Jeremy Corbyn is a dangerous leftist.
Just look at the sort of policies this man supports. He wants to re-nationalize the railways which have the highest fares in Europe.
He wants to scrap university tuition fees which consign students to a lifetime of debt. He would like to make housing affordable for ordinary people.
He wants an economy to suit the needs of the majority and not the 1%.
He wants to keep the Sunday trading laws as they are and not introduce 24/7 shopping. He is opposed to illegal wars which kill hundreds of thousands of people and he does not want to bring back fox-hunting. Quite clearly the man is some kind of left-wing nutcase.
3. Jeremy Corbyn has been critical of the US and Israel.
Outrageously, Corbyn has criticized US foreign policy and Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. He seems to think that the US and Israel have to abide by international law – and should be held accountable for their actions. The man is quite obviously a communist and as such should not become Britain's prime minister.
4. Jeremy Corbyn has extremist links.
Not only is Corbyn a dangerous radical himself, he also associates with dangerous extremists. He once spoke at a meeting where one of the other speakers had once shared a platform with a speaker who had once shared a platform with a speaker who had once shared a platform with a speaker who had once praised Joseph Stalin – proving undeniably that Corbyn is a Stalinist.
Also on Twitter, Corbyn once retweeted a person who had once retweeted another person who had once retweeted another person who had retweeted a tweet from someone who I don't approve of – proving once again Corby's extremism.
5. Jeremy Corbyn is unelectable.
Jeremy Corbyn wants to do things which the majority of the British public wants, such as re-nationalize the railways and keep Britain out of Middle East wars. This makes him unelectable because politicians are only electable if they want to do things the public doesn't want.
At the last election, Labour lost heavily to the anti-austerity SNP in Scotland and also lost lots of votes to the anti-austerity Greens. So it's obvious that to get these votes back, Labour needs a leader who supports austerity, and not someone who opposes it, like Corbyn.
I'm a very wealthy right-wing, pro-austerity warmonger, but believe me, I only want the best for Labour – which is to be a right-wing pro-austerity, pro-war party – barely distinguishable from the Tories.
Having two main parties who have identical views on the main issues is what democracy is all about. Corbyn as Labour leader will be very different from the Conservatives, which would obviously be very bad for democracy as it would give the electorate a real choice.
6. Jeremy Corbyn wants to take us back to the 1970s.
In the 1970s the gap between the rich and poor was at its lowest in the UK's history. Living standards for ordinary people were rising all the time and large sections of the economy were in public ownership. The banks did not run the country and the taxation system was steeply progressive.
Corbyn wants to take us back to these times! Think how disastrous that would be for rich people like me who would have to pay much higher rates of tax which would be redistributed to horrible working class-type people and people on middle incomes. The 1% would really suffer and the most talented people – like myself – and my neocon friends, would leave the country. That's what lies in store for us if Corbyn succeeds!
7. Jeremy Corbyn would leave Britain defenseless and open to invasion.
Corbyn has promised to scrap Trident.
If Trident was scrapped there's no doubt that the Russians, Iranians, Syrians and Hezbollah would launch a full scale invasion of Britain within 45 minutes.
Britain would be carved up between the 'Axis of Evil', with the Russians taking England, the Iranians Scotland and the Syrians, Wales (and Hezbollah in charge of Northern Ireland).
Just imagine, Aberystywyth under the control of the evil dictator Bashar al-Assad. Russian troops patroling the streets of Godalming. Iran's Revolutionary Guard marching in Sauchiehall Street. A nightmare scenario indeed, but all this would be the reality if Corbyn gets his way. The very future of our country is at stake.
8. Jeremy Corbyn once welcomed an article by John Pilger.
In 2004, Jeremy Corbyn was one of 25 MPs who signed an Early Day Motion which welcomed a Pilger article on Kosovo.
How outrageous! To think, a man who is now the leader of one of Britain's major parties once welcomed an article by John Pilger!
No one who has ever cited John Pilger with approval – let alone signed a motion supporting him – should be allowed to stand for high public office in Britain. The freedom to hold and express views and opinions in a democracy should only apply to opinions and views that myself and fellow elite neocons approve of! And we most certainly do not approve of John Pilger!
9. Jeremy Corbyn opposes austerity.
Austerity is working brilliantly at the moment.
It's provided a great excuse for the government to flog off remaining state assets at below their true market value to 'the right people' in the City. The welfare payments of lower-class people who have far too many children are being cut. Libraries and local authority services are being closed. Yet, guess what? The bearded one opposes all of this. He says that "austerity is a political choice, not an economic necessity."
He wants to protect public services and libraries from cuts – and instead wants to crackdown on tax evasion and increase taxes on the very wealthy! I ask you – is this the sort of man we want leading Labour – or worse still, the country?
And finally, but most importantly, the tenth commandment:
10. Jeremy Corbyn is very popular.
...And if he succeeds – which seems very likely – it's game over for me and my little clique of elite warmongers. We won't get our wars and we'll have to pay more taxes and it'll be all perfectly horrible! So, don't vote for Jeremy Corbyn, because although he'll be very good news for you – his success will be terrible for us!
Source: Sott.net
So in summary, don't even consider voting this man in, he's proven he'll definitely ruin the country where the Tories haven't!
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Corbyn may have won the Labour leadership, but columnist Cyril Waugh-Monger warns against him ever becoming prime minister.
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David Cameron and Jeremy Corbyn face each other in parliament at the first Prime Minister's Question time for the newly-elected leader of the Labour party. THE BIG political story in the UK this summer was undoubtedly 'Corbynmania'. How a 66-year-old antiwar activist and socialist had gone from being the rank 200-1 outsider in the Labour leadership contest election to be the red-hot favorite, and then the eventual winner.
Jeremy Corbyn, a modest, unassuming man who wears an open necked shirt and slacks instead of the usual politician's suit and tie, has really proved a big hit with the public, who have grown tired of slick politicians who are always 'on message', and who don't seem at all sincere in what they're saying.
Not everyone though has welcomed Corbyn's advance. One man who has made repeated warnings about the 'dangers' of Jeremy Corbyn is Cyril Waugh-Monger, a 'Very Important' newspaper columnist for the NeoCon Daily, a patron of the Senator Joe McCarthy Appreciation Society and the author of 'Why the Iraq War was a Brilliant Idea', as well as 'The Humanitarian Case for Bombing Syria'.
Below are Mr Waugh-Monger's ten commandments telling UK electors why they should not, under any circumstances, vote for Jeremy Corbyn.
1. Jeremy Corbyn wants to 'stop the war'.
Jeremy Corbyn opposed the bombing of Yugoslavia. He opposed the invasion of Afghanistan. He was against the invasion of Iraq. He was against bombing Libya and also voted against military action in Syria.
I ask you – is this the sort of man who is fit to be prime minister?
If Corbyn – heaven forbid – had been British Prime Minister in 2003 he would not have committed British troops to the invasion of Iraq. Just imagine what would have happened if we hadn't invaded Iraq! Well, I'll tell you what would have happened – the Middle East would now be a haven for terrorist groups which would be targeting British tourists on beaches when they go on their summer holidays. The whole Middle East would now be in turmoil. We'd be facing a refugee crisis with people fleeing all the countries that we hadn't destabilized.
2. Jeremy Corbyn is a dangerous leftist.
Just look at the sort of policies this man supports. He wants to re-nationalize the railways which have the highest fares in Europe.
He wants to scrap university tuition fees which consign students to a lifetime of debt. He would like to make housing affordable for ordinary people.
He wants an economy to suit the needs of the majority and not the 1%.
He wants to keep the Sunday trading laws as they are and not introduce 24/7 shopping. He is opposed to illegal wars which kill hundreds of thousands of people and he does not want to bring back fox-hunting. Quite clearly the man is some kind of left-wing nutcase.
3. Jeremy Corbyn has been critical of the US and Israel.
Outrageously, Corbyn has criticized US foreign policy and Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. He seems to think that the US and Israel have to abide by international law – and should be held accountable for their actions. The man is quite obviously a communist and as such should not become Britain's prime minister.
4. Jeremy Corbyn has extremist links.
Not only is Corbyn a dangerous radical himself, he also associates with dangerous extremists. He once spoke at a meeting where one of the other speakers had once shared a platform with a speaker who had once shared a platform with a speaker who had once shared a platform with a speaker who had once praised Joseph Stalin – proving undeniably that Corbyn is a Stalinist.
Also on Twitter, Corbyn once retweeted a person who had once retweeted another person who had once retweeted another person who had retweeted a tweet from someone who I don't approve of – proving once again Corby's extremism.
5. Jeremy Corbyn is unelectable.
Jeremy Corbyn wants to do things which the majority of the British public wants, such as re-nationalize the railways and keep Britain out of Middle East wars. This makes him unelectable because politicians are only electable if they want to do things the public doesn't want.
At the last election, Labour lost heavily to the anti-austerity SNP in Scotland and also lost lots of votes to the anti-austerity Greens. So it's obvious that to get these votes back, Labour needs a leader who supports austerity, and not someone who opposes it, like Corbyn.
I'm a very wealthy right-wing, pro-austerity warmonger, but believe me, I only want the best for Labour – which is to be a right-wing pro-austerity, pro-war party – barely distinguishable from the Tories.
Having two main parties who have identical views on the main issues is what democracy is all about. Corbyn as Labour leader will be very different from the Conservatives, which would obviously be very bad for democracy as it would give the electorate a real choice.
6. Jeremy Corbyn wants to take us back to the 1970s.
In the 1970s the gap between the rich and poor was at its lowest in the UK's history. Living standards for ordinary people were rising all the time and large sections of the economy were in public ownership. The banks did not run the country and the taxation system was steeply progressive.
Corbyn wants to take us back to these times! Think how disastrous that would be for rich people like me who would have to pay much higher rates of tax which would be redistributed to horrible working class-type people and people on middle incomes. The 1% would really suffer and the most talented people – like myself – and my neocon friends, would leave the country. That's what lies in store for us if Corbyn succeeds!
7. Jeremy Corbyn would leave Britain defenseless and open to invasion.
Corbyn has promised to scrap Trident.
If Trident was scrapped there's no doubt that the Russians, Iranians, Syrians and Hezbollah would launch a full scale invasion of Britain within 45 minutes.
Britain would be carved up between the 'Axis of Evil', with the Russians taking England, the Iranians Scotland and the Syrians, Wales (and Hezbollah in charge of Northern Ireland).
Just imagine, Aberystywyth under the control of the evil dictator Bashar al-Assad. Russian troops patroling the streets of Godalming. Iran's Revolutionary Guard marching in Sauchiehall Street. A nightmare scenario indeed, but all this would be the reality if Corbyn gets his way. The very future of our country is at stake.
8. Jeremy Corbyn once welcomed an article by John Pilger.
In 2004, Jeremy Corbyn was one of 25 MPs who signed an Early Day Motion which welcomed a Pilger article on Kosovo.
How outrageous! To think, a man who is now the leader of one of Britain's major parties once welcomed an article by John Pilger!
No one who has ever cited John Pilger with approval – let alone signed a motion supporting him – should be allowed to stand for high public office in Britain. The freedom to hold and express views and opinions in a democracy should only apply to opinions and views that myself and fellow elite neocons approve of! And we most certainly do not approve of John Pilger!
9. Jeremy Corbyn opposes austerity.
Austerity is working brilliantly at the moment.
It's provided a great excuse for the government to flog off remaining state assets at below their true market value to 'the right people' in the City. The welfare payments of lower-class people who have far too many children are being cut. Libraries and local authority services are being closed. Yet, guess what? The bearded one opposes all of this. He says that "austerity is a political choice, not an economic necessity."
He wants to protect public services and libraries from cuts – and instead wants to crackdown on tax evasion and increase taxes on the very wealthy! I ask you – is this the sort of man we want leading Labour – or worse still, the country?
And finally, but most importantly, the tenth commandment:
10. Jeremy Corbyn is very popular.
...And if he succeeds – which seems very likely – it's game over for me and my little clique of elite warmongers. We won't get our wars and we'll have to pay more taxes and it'll be all perfectly horrible! So, don't vote for Jeremy Corbyn, because although he'll be very good news for you – his success will be terrible for us!
Source: Sott.net
So in summary, don't even consider voting this man in, he's proven he'll definitely ruin the country where the Tories haven't! Idealism is to be wanted and lauded, but it is fairy-tale thinking. It's a case of leave things alone and everything will be OK (just as soon as one can find one's magic wand). So people only need this one reason not to vote for Corbyn.
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Corbyn may have won the Labour leadership, but columnist Cyril Waugh-Monger warns against him ever becoming prime minister.
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David Cameron and Jeremy Corbyn face each other in parliament at the first Prime Minister's Question time for the newly-elected leader of the Labour party. THE BIG political story in the UK this summer was undoubtedly 'Corbynmania'. How a 66-year-old antiwar activist and socialist had gone from being the rank 200-1 outsider in the Labour leadership contest election to be the red-hot favorite, and then the eventual winner.
Jeremy Corbyn, a modest, unassuming man who wears an open necked shirt and slacks instead of the usual politician's suit and tie, has really proved a big hit with the public, who have grown tired of slick politicians who are always 'on message', and who don't seem at all sincere in what they're saying.
Not everyone though has welcomed Corbyn's advance. One man who has made repeated warnings about the 'dangers' of Jeremy Corbyn is Cyril Waugh-Monger, a 'Very Important' newspaper columnist for the NeoCon Daily, a patron of the Senator Joe McCarthy Appreciation Society and the author of 'Why the Iraq War was a Brilliant Idea', as well as 'The Humanitarian Case for Bombing Syria'.
Below are Mr Waugh-Monger's ten commandments telling UK electors why they should not, under any circumstances, vote for Jeremy Corbyn.
1. Jeremy Corbyn wants to 'stop the war'.
Jeremy Corbyn opposed the bombing of Yugoslavia. He opposed the invasion of Afghanistan. He was against the invasion of Iraq. He was against bombing Libya and also voted against military action in Syria.
I ask you – is this the sort of man who is fit to be prime minister?
If Corbyn – heaven forbid – had been British Prime Minister in 2003 he would not have committed British troops to the invasion of Iraq. Just imagine what would have happened if we hadn't invaded Iraq! Well, I'll tell you what would have happened – the Middle East would now be a haven for terrorist groups which would be targeting British tourists on beaches when they go on their summer holidays. The whole Middle East would now be in turmoil. We'd be facing a refugee crisis with people fleeing all the countries that we hadn't destabilized.
2. Jeremy Corbyn is a dangerous leftist.
Just look at the sort of policies this man supports. He wants to re-nationalize the railways which have the highest fares in Europe.
He wants to scrap university tuition fees which consign students to a lifetime of debt. He would like to make housing affordable for ordinary people.
He wants an economy to suit the needs of the majority and not the 1%.
He wants to keep the Sunday trading laws as they are and not introduce 24/7 shopping. He is opposed to illegal wars which kill hundreds of thousands of people and he does not want to bring back fox-hunting. Quite clearly the man is some kind of left-wing nutcase.
3. Jeremy Corbyn has been critical of the US and Israel.
Outrageously, Corbyn has criticized US foreign policy and Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. He seems to think that the US and Israel have to abide by international law – and should be held accountable for their actions. The man is quite obviously a communist and as such should not become Britain's prime minister.
4. Jeremy Corbyn has extremist links.
Not only is Corbyn a dangerous radical himself, he also associates with dangerous extremists. He once spoke at a meeting where one of the other speakers had once shared a platform with a speaker who had once shared a platform with a speaker who had once shared a platform with a speaker who had once praised Joseph Stalin – proving undeniably that Corbyn is a Stalinist.
Also on Twitter, Corbyn once retweeted a person who had once retweeted another person who had once retweeted another person who had retweeted a tweet from someone who I don't approve of – proving once again Corby's extremism.
5. Jeremy Corbyn is unelectable.
Jeremy Corbyn wants to do things which the majority of the British public wants, such as re-nationalize the railways and keep Britain out of Middle East wars. This makes him unelectable because politicians are only electable if they want to do things the public doesn't want.
At the last election, Labour lost heavily to the anti-austerity SNP in Scotland and also lost lots of votes to the anti-austerity Greens. So it's obvious that to get these votes back, Labour needs a leader who supports austerity, and not someone who opposes it, like Corbyn.
I'm a very wealthy right-wing, pro-austerity warmonger, but believe me, I only want the best for Labour – which is to be a right-wing pro-austerity, pro-war party – barely distinguishable from the Tories.
Having two main parties who have identical views on the main issues is what democracy is all about. Corbyn as Labour leader will be very different from the Conservatives, which would obviously be very bad for democracy as it would give the electorate a real choice.
6. Jeremy Corbyn wants to take us back to the 1970s.
In the 1970s the gap between the rich and poor was at its lowest in the UK's history. Living standards for ordinary people were rising all the time and large sections of the economy were in public ownership. The banks did not run the country and the taxation system was steeply progressive.
Corbyn wants to take us back to these times! Think how disastrous that would be for rich people like me who would have to pay much higher rates of tax which would be redistributed to horrible working class-type people and people on middle incomes. The 1% would really suffer and the most talented people – like myself – and my neocon friends, would leave the country. That's what lies in store for us if Corbyn succeeds!
7. Jeremy Corbyn would leave Britain defenseless and open to invasion.
Corbyn has promised to scrap Trident.
If Trident was scrapped there's no doubt that the Russians, Iranians, Syrians and Hezbollah would launch a full scale invasion of Britain within 45 minutes.
Britain would be carved up between the 'Axis of Evil', with the Russians taking England, the Iranians Scotland and the Syrians, Wales (and Hezbollah in charge of Northern Ireland).
Just imagine, Aberystywyth under the control of the evil dictator Bashar al-Assad. Russian troops patroling the streets of Godalming. Iran's Revolutionary Guard marching in Sauchiehall Street. A nightmare scenario indeed, but all this would be the reality if Corbyn gets his way. The very future of our country is at stake.
8. Jeremy Corbyn once welcomed an article by John Pilger.
In 2004, Jeremy Corbyn was one of 25 MPs who signed an Early Day Motion which welcomed a Pilger article on Kosovo.
How outrageous! To think, a man who is now the leader of one of Britain's major parties once welcomed an article by John Pilger!
No one who has ever cited John Pilger with approval – let alone signed a motion supporting him – should be allowed to stand for high public office in Britain. The freedom to hold and express views and opinions in a democracy should only apply to opinions and views that myself and fellow elite neocons approve of! And we most certainly do not approve of John Pilger!
9. Jeremy Corbyn opposes austerity.
Austerity is working brilliantly at the moment.
It's provided a great excuse for the government to flog off remaining state assets at below their true market value to 'the right people' in the City. The welfare payments of lower-class people who have far too many children are being cut. Libraries and local authority services are being closed. Yet, guess what? The bearded one opposes all of this. He says that "austerity is a political choice, not an economic necessity."
He wants to protect public services and libraries from cuts – and instead wants to crackdown on tax evasion and increase taxes on the very wealthy! I ask you – is this the sort of man we want leading Labour – or worse still, the country?
And finally, but most importantly, the tenth commandment:
10. Jeremy Corbyn is very popular.
...And if he succeeds – which seems very likely – it's game over for me and my little clique of elite warmongers. We won't get our wars and we'll have to pay more taxes and it'll be all perfectly horrible! So, don't vote for Jeremy Corbyn, because although he'll be very good news for you – his success will be terrible for us!
Source: Sott.net
So in summary, don't even consider voting this man in, he's proven he'll definitely ruin the country where the Tories haven't!
Idealism is to be wanted and lauded, but it is fairy-tale thinking. It's a case of leave things alone and everything will be OK (just as soon as one can find one's magic wand). So people only need this one reason not to vote for Corbyn.
Fairy tale thinking as opposed to thinking about the nightmare that is neo liberalist Tory politics of fear? The article has a large kernel of truth in it . There is a new political narrative that sets out to refute the politics of fear and the docile acceptance of the Tory right wing agenda. Anyone who is young should embrace the narrative ( even if they do not agree with it in entirety) and anyone who is old should be ashamed that it is needed...
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Please can we not quote entire OP in every post? Thread will be unreadable, cheers all
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Idealism is to be wanted and lauded, but it is fairy-tale thinking. It's a case of leave things alone and everything will be OK (just as soon as one can find one's magic wand). So people only need this one reason not to vote for Corbyn.
Fairy tale thinking as opposed to thinking about the nightmare that is neo liberalist Tory politics of fear? The article has a large kernel of truth in it . There is a new political narrative that sets out to refute the politics of fear and the docile acceptance of the Tory right wing agenda. Anyone who is young should embrace the narrative ( even if they do not agree with it in entirety) and anyone who is old should be ashamed that it is needed... Plenty of the oldies did the right thing back in the day, if you weren't a greedy so&so or it just took you a while to see wood from trees...well, no one is perfect.
There are plenty of vicious greedy, arrogant, right-wing youngsters too.
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Fairy tale thinking as opposed to thinking about the nightmare that is neo liberalist Tory politics of fear? The article has a large kernel of truth in it . There is a new political narrative that sets out to refute the politics of fear and the docile acceptance of the Tory right wing agenda. Anyone who is young should embrace the narrative ( even if they do not agree with it in entirety) and anyone who is old should be ashamed that it is needed...
Plenty of the oldies did the right thing back in the day, if you weren't a greedy so&so or it just took you a while to see wood from trees...well, no one is perfect. There are plenty of vicious greedy, arrogant, right-wing youngsters too.
As I said, the young should embrace the narrative. I didnt claim that all youngsters are lefties nor should they be but they should embrace the narrative..even to refute it. Also I do not deny that many many oldies did the right thing back in the day. However if they did the right thing back in the day then I assume that they did and still do have a political conscience...and if they do they should be ashamed that we need to embrace the narrative. It should not be necessary . Note..I generally assert this at post by Tory leaning baby boomers but ask any elderly trade unionist or labour activist if they are ashamed that the UK is in this situation and I pretty much guarantee that they will say yes.
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Plenty of the oldies did the right thing back in the day, if you weren't a greedy so&so or it just took you a while to see wood from trees...well, no one is perfect. There are plenty of vicious greedy, arrogant, right-wing youngsters too.
As I said, the young should embrace the narrative. I didnt claim that all youngsters are lefties nor should they be but they should embrace the narrative..even to refute it. Also I do not deny that many many oldies did the right thing back in the day. However if they did the right thing back in the day then I assume that they did and still do have a political conscience...and if they do they should be ashamed that we need to embrace the narrative. It should not be necessary . No disagreement there, it must be painful seeing events unfold..I mean if you were born in the good days. For some I'm sure it has actually damaged their health just witnessing the wanton trashing of this country.
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As I said, the young should embrace the narrative. I didnt claim that all youngsters are lefties nor should they be but they should embrace the narrative..even to refute it. Also I do not deny that many many oldies did the right thing back in the day. However if they did the right thing back in the day then I assume that they did and still do have a political conscience...and if they do they should be ashamed that we need to embrace the narrative. It should not be necessary .
No disagreement there, it must be painful seeing events unfold..I mean if you were born in the good days. For some I'm sure it has actually damaged their health just witnessing the wanton trashing of this country.
I'll just repeat my edit of my post..Swirked..
Note..I generally assert this at post by Tory leaning baby boomers but ask any elderly trade unionist or labour activist if they are ashamed that the UK is in this situation and I pretty much guarantee that they will say yes.
I hoped that you would get my point and it appears you do...thank you There must be many old fellers around the country that are sick to the back teeth of what is happening in the UK instead of wanting to acquiesce to the Tory agenda in case that MR Corbyn nicks some of their pension. For Christs sake Osborne is setting them up for future poverty anyway..IMO
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No disagreement there, it must be painful seeing events unfold..I mean if you were born in the good days. For some I'm sure it has actually damaged their health just witnessing the wanton trashing of this country.
I'll just repeat my edit of my post..Swirked.. Note..I generally assert this at post by Tory leaning baby boomers but ask any elderly trade unionist or labour activist if they are ashamed that the UK is in this situation and I pretty much guarantee that they will say yes. I hoped that you would get my point and it appears you do...thank you There must be many old fellers around the country that are sick to the back teeth of what is happening in the UK instead of wanting to acquiesce to the Tory agenda in case that MR Corbyn nicks some of their pension. For Christs sake Osborne is setting them up for future poverty anyway..IMO
Yep read the edit:)
Oh but now the Tories say shop around and take huge risks with your pension-we're going to reduce what you get and this is only 'fair' to..? Their friends in finance.
Be grateful apparently, without the Tories you wouldn't be able to lose your pension in some risky scheme, see that's REAL freedom you can feel..in your pocket, if you haven't sold your trousers for shekels that is.
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I'll just repeat my edit of my post..Swirked.. Note..I generally assert this at post by Tory leaning baby boomers but ask any elderly trade unionist or labour activist if they are ashamed that the UK is in this situation and I pretty much guarantee that they will say yes. I hoped that you would get my point and it appears you do...thank you There must be many old fellers around the country that are sick to the back teeth of what is happening in the UK instead of wanting to acquiesce to the Tory agenda in case that MR Corbyn nicks some of their pension. For Christs sake Osborne is setting them up for future poverty anyway..IMO
Yep read the edit:) Oh but now the Tories say shop around and take huge risks with your pension-we're going to reduce what you get and this is only 'fair' to..? Their friends in finance. Be grateful apparently, without the Tories you wouldn't be able to lose your pension in some risky scheme, see that's REAL freedom you can feel..in your pocket, if you haven't sold your trousers for shekels that is. 
Oooh worse than that .Cameron ( or Osborne) suggested that people could use their pensions to say help their children buy a house or purchase stuff for themselves. He said that people should be trusted with their own money. iirc. However he knows full well that some of that money will go back into the economy ( hurrah) and some of it will be stolen by con men. He also knows that he or his successors will have the perfect excuse to reduce benefits for pensioners in the future on the back of this. Citing feckless pensioners who frittered away their pension pots on Face lifts and toyboys or Filipino girls and viagra ( whatever suits) in the same way he uses hyperbole and lies to snatch money off of the poor nowadays.
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Yep read the edit:) Oh but now the Tories say shop around and take huge risks with your pension-we're going to reduce what you get and this is only 'fair' to..? Their friends in finance. Be grateful apparently, without the Tories you wouldn't be able to lose your pension in some risky scheme, see that's REAL freedom you can feel..in your pocket, if you haven't sold your trousers for shekels that is. 
Oooh worse than that .Cameron ( or Osborne) suggested that people could use their pensions to say help their children buy a house or purchase stuff for themselves. He said that people should be trusted with their own money. iirc. However he knows full well that some of that money will go back into the economy ( hurrah) and some of it will be stolen by con men. He also knows that he or his successors will have the perfect excuse to reduce benefits for pensioners in the future on the back of this. Citing feckless pensioners who frittered away their pension pots on Face lifts and toyboys or Filipino girls and viagra ( whatever suits) in the same way he uses hyperbole and lies to snatch money off of the poor nowadays. Great point, encourage people in every way to pick up the rope..then make sure that they're fully strangulated.
Facelifted filipina toyboygirls on viagra won't be a substitute for eventually having nothing at all.
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Idealism is to be wanted and lauded, but it is fairy-tale thinking. It's a case of leave things alone and everything will be OK (just as soon as one can find one's magic wand). So people only need this one reason not to vote for Corbyn.
Fairy tale thinking as opposed to thinking about the nightmare that is neo liberalist Tory politics of fear? The article has a large kernel of truth in it . There is a new political narrative that sets out to refute the politics of fear and the docile acceptance of the Tory right wing agenda. Anyone who is young should embrace the narrative ( even if they do not agree with it in entirety) and anyone who is old should be ashamed that it is needed... I don't understand your references to "fear" or "docile acceptance" they appear to be figments of your imagination.
The article does indeed have a kernel of truth in it, but there is no new political narrative, it isn't even old Labour it's Old Old Labour. Most of the battles fought by Old OLd Labour have been won, thanks to the older generation. We no longer see the poverty, hardship malnutrition, doff the cap etc. that existed when Labour was formed.
What Corbyn wants is a peaceful happy trouble free country, don't we all ? What he fails to understand is that the world has a large degree of dog eat dog in it. A Corbyn approach would see a more divided society and one that was being eaten up slowly but surely by the real world. That is why we will never see a Corbyn led Government.
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No disagreement there, it must be painful seeing events unfold..I mean if you were born in the good days. For some I'm sure it has actually damaged their health just witnessing the wanton trashing of this country.
I'll just repeat my edit of my post..Swirked.. Note..I generally assert this at post by Tory leaning baby boomers but ask any elderly trade unionist or labour activist if they are ashamed that the UK is in this situation and I pretty much guarantee that they will say yes. I hoped that you would get my point and it appears you do...thank you There must be many old fellers around the country that are sick to the back teeth of what is happening in the UK instead of wanting to acquiesce to the Tory agenda in case that MR Corbyn nicks some of their pension. For Christs sake Osborne is setting them up for future poverty anyway..IMO Yes, there are many malcontents both young and old. And those in between.
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Fairy tale thinking as opposed to thinking about the nightmare that is neo liberalist Tory politics of fear? The article has a large kernel of truth in it . There is a new political narrative that sets out to refute the politics of fear and the docile acceptance of the Tory right wing agenda. Anyone who is young should embrace the narrative ( even if they do not agree with it in entirety) and anyone who is old should be ashamed that it is needed...
I don't understand your references to "fear" or "docile acceptance" they appear to be figments of your imagination. The article does indeed have a kernel of truth in it, but there is no new political narrative, it isn't even old Labour it's Old Old Labour. Most of the battles fought by Old OLd Labour have been won, thanks to the older generation. We no longer see the poverty, hardship malnutrition, doff the cap etc. that existed when Labour was formed. What Corbyn wants is a peaceful happy trouble free country, don't we all ? What he fails to understand is that the world has a large degree of dog eat dog in it. A Corbyn approach would see a more divided society and one that was being eaten up slowly but surely by the real world. That is why we will never see a Corbyn led Government. "Old Old Labour"
Really. And you base that on..?
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David Cameron and Jeremy Corbyn face each other in parliament at the first Prime Minister's Question time for the newly-elected leader of the Labour party. THE BIG political story in the UK this summer was undoubtedly 'Corbynmania'. How a 66-year-old antiwar activist and socialist had gone from being the rank 200-1 outsider in the Labour leadership contest election to be the red-hot favorite, and then the eventual winner.
Jeremy Corbyn, a modest, unassuming man who wears an open necked shirt and slacks instead of the usual politician's suit and tie, has really proved a big hit with the public, who have grown tired of slick politicians who are always 'on message', and who don't seem at all sincere in what they're saying.
Not everyone though has welcomed Corbyn's advance. One man who has made repeated warnings about the 'dangers' of Jeremy Corbyn is Cyril Waugh-Monger, a 'Very Important' newspaper columnist for the NeoCon Daily, a patron of the Senator Joe McCarthy Appreciation Society and the author of 'Why the Iraq War was a Brilliant Idea', as well as 'The Humanitarian Case for Bombing Syria'.
Below are Mr Waugh-Monger's ten commandments telling UK electors why they should not, under any circumstances, vote for Jeremy Corbyn.
1. Jeremy Corbyn wants to 'stop the war'.
Jeremy Corbyn opposed the bombing of Yugoslavia. He opposed the invasion of Afghanistan. He was against the invasion of Iraq. He was against bombing Libya and also voted against military action in Syria.
I ask you – is this the sort of man who is fit to be prime minister?
If Corbyn – heaven forbid – had been British Prime Minister in 2003 he would not have committed British troops to the invasion of Iraq. Just imagine what would have happened if we hadn't invaded Iraq! Well, I'll tell you what would have happened – the Middle East would now be a haven for terrorist groups which would be targeting British tourists on beaches when they go on their summer holidays. The whole Middle East would now be in turmoil. We'd be facing a refugee crisis with people fleeing all the countries that we hadn't destabilized.
2. Jeremy Corbyn is a dangerous leftist.
Just look at the sort of policies this man supports. He wants to re-nationalize the railways which have the highest fares in Europe.
He wants to scrap university tuition fees which consign students to a lifetime of debt. He would like to make housing affordable for ordinary people.
He wants an economy to suit the needs of the majority and not the 1%.
He wants to keep the Sunday trading laws as they are and not introduce 24/7 shopping. He is opposed to illegal wars which kill hundreds of thousands of people and he does not want to bring back fox-hunting. Quite clearly the man is some kind of left-wing nutcase.
3. Jeremy Corbyn has been critical of the US and Israel.
Outrageously, Corbyn has criticized US foreign policy and Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. He seems to think that the US and Israel have to abide by international law – and should be held accountable for their actions. The man is quite obviously a communist and as such should not become Britain's prime minister.
4. Jeremy Corbyn has extremist links.
Not only is Corbyn a dangerous radical himself, he also associates with dangerous extremists. He once spoke at a meeting where one of the other speakers had once shared a platform with a speaker who had once shared a platform with a speaker who had once shared a platform with a speaker who had once praised Joseph Stalin – proving undeniably that Corbyn is a Stalinist.
Also on Twitter, Corbyn once retweeted a person who had once retweeted another person who had once retweeted another person who had retweeted a tweet from someone who I don't approve of – proving once again Corby's extremism.
5. Jeremy Corbyn is unelectable.
Jeremy Corbyn wants to do things which the majority of the British public wants, such as re-nationalize the railways and keep Britain out of Middle East wars. This makes him unelectable because politicians are only electable if they want to do things the public doesn't want.
At the last election, Labour lost heavily to the anti-austerity SNP in Scotland and also lost lots of votes to the anti-austerity Greens. So it's obvious that to get these votes back, Labour needs a leader who supports austerity, and not someone who opposes it, like Corbyn.
I'm a very wealthy right-wing, pro-austerity warmonger, but believe me, I only want the best for Labour – which is to be a right-wing pro-austerity, pro-war party – barely distinguishable from the Tories.
Having two main parties who have identical views on the main issues is what democracy is all about. Corbyn as Labour leader will be very different from the Conservatives, which would obviously be very bad for democracy as it would give the electorate a real choice.
6. Jeremy Corbyn wants to take us back to the 1970s.
In the 1970s the gap between the rich and poor was at its lowest in the UK's history. Living standards for ordinary people were rising all the time and large sections of the economy were in public ownership. The banks did not run the country and the taxation system was steeply progressive.
Corbyn wants to take us back to these times! Think how disastrous that would be for rich people like me who would have to pay much higher rates of tax which would be redistributed to horrible working class-type people and people on middle incomes. The 1% would really suffer and the most talented people – like myself – and my neocon friends, would leave the country. That's what lies in store for us if Corbyn succeeds!
7. Jeremy Corbyn would leave Britain defenseless and open to invasion.
Corbyn has promised to scrap Trident.
If Trident was scrapped there's no doubt that the Russians, Iranians, Syrians and Hezbollah would launch a full scale invasion of Britain within 45 minutes.
Britain would be carved up between the 'Axis of Evil', with the Russians taking England, the Iranians Scotland and the Syrians, Wales (and Hezbollah in charge of Northern Ireland).
Just imagine, Aberystywyth under the control of the evil dictator Bashar al-Assad. Russian troops patroling the streets of Godalming. Iran's Revolutionary Guard marching in Sauchiehall Street. A nightmare scenario indeed, but all this would be the reality if Corbyn gets his way. The very future of our country is at stake.
8. Jeremy Corbyn once welcomed an article by John Pilger.
In 2004, Jeremy Corbyn was one of 25 MPs who signed an Early Day Motion which welcomed a Pilger article on Kosovo.
How outrageous! To think, a man who is now the leader of one of Britain's major parties once welcomed an article by John Pilger!
No one who has ever cited John Pilger with approval – let alone signed a motion supporting him – should be allowed to stand for high public office in Britain. The freedom to hold and express views and opinions in a democracy should only apply to opinions and views that myself and fellow elite neocons approve of! And we most certainly do not approve of John Pilger!
9. Jeremy Corbyn opposes austerity.
Austerity is working brilliantly at the moment.
It's provided a great excuse for the government to flog off remaining state assets at below their true market value to 'the right people' in the City. The welfare payments of lower-class people who have far too many children are being cut. Libraries and local authority services are being closed. Yet, guess what? The bearded one opposes all of this. He says that "austerity is a political choice, not an economic necessity."
He wants to protect public services and libraries from cuts – and instead wants to crackdown on tax evasion and increase taxes on the very wealthy! I ask you – is this the sort of man we want leading Labour – or worse still, the country?
And finally, but most importantly, the tenth commandment:
10. Jeremy Corbyn is very popular.
...And if he succeeds – which seems very likely – it's game over for me and my little clique of elite warmongers. We won't get our wars and we'll have to pay more taxes and it'll be all perfectly horrible! So, don't vote for Jeremy Corbyn, because although he'll be very good news for you – his success will be terrible for us!
Source: Sott.net
So in summary, don't even consider voting this man in, he's proven he'll definitely ruin the country where the Tories haven't!

Rule 11(a) breach. Let's have a proper link please. You don't want to be following the path trodden by our most recent ex-member, after all .. Or are you too ashamed to admit you lifted this from arsebook, where i found it verbatim ...
And Cyril Waugh-Monger ? Right, that's about as real as the four vicars on the celebrated youtube clip with a highly improbable countdown letter selection the last five letters being f,l,a,p and s ... so should I remove this to the Jokes forum ?
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I don't understand your references to "fear" or "docile acceptance" they appear to be figments of your imagination. The article does indeed have a kernel of truth in it, but there is no new political narrative, it isn't even old Labour it's Old Old Labour. Most of the battles fought by Old OLd Labour have been won, thanks to the older generation. We no longer see the poverty, hardship malnutrition, doff the cap etc. that existed when Labour was formed. What Corbyn wants is a peaceful happy trouble free country, don't we all ? What he fails to understand is that the world has a large degree of dog eat dog in it. A Corbyn approach would see a more divided society and one that was being eaten up slowly but surely by the real world. That is why we will never see a Corbyn led Government.
"Old Old Labour" Really. And you base that on..? A dream of a better world that inspired the forming of the Labour party, and is the driving force of Corbyn. As I pointed out in my earlier post the awfulness that existed before WWI / WWII no longer exists. IMO all we need to do now is to continue the improvements already made, what we do not need is to declare a 'them and us war' as people needed to do at the beginning of the 20th century.
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Another reason not to vote Corbyn is the existence of insinuated misinformation such as that referred to on question time last night when a young lady spoke of the folly of 'invading Iraq for their oil. This IMO would probably be a typical belief of many of Corbyn's supporters.
The last time I looked, which was about six months ago, we did not import any oil from Iraq.
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The last time I looked, which was about six months ago, we did not import any oil from Iraq.
Six months ago is not relevant.
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The last time I looked, which was about six months ago, we did not import any oil from Iraq.
Six months ago is not relevant. Not relevant ? It was 12 years after the invasion of Iraq!
If you think it is not relevant then perhaps you would care to produce the relevant figures ?
Edit; It was more than six months ago, it was before the big drop in oil prices.
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Not relevant ? It was 12 years after the invasion of Iraq!
Precisely, that is why it is not relevant. The Iraqi oilfields are not back to anything like the production they were before the invasion.
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Not relevant ? It was 12 years after the invasion of Iraq!
Precisely, that is why it is not relevant. The Iraqi oilfields are not back to anything like the production they were before the invasion. Are you stating that to be the reason the UK doesn't buy any oil from Iraq ?
Unfortunately because of the a peculiarity on my new computer I can't give the website address for the following.
--- "Iraqi’s oil exports from the south climbed to a record this month at the same time the self-ruled Kurds in the north are shipping crude independently, adding to a global supply glut as producers vie for market share.
Southern oil exports, representing the central government’s shipments, rose to 3.064 million barrels a day in July and will remain at about the same level for the rest of the month, Thaer Yassin, spokesman of the state-owned South Oil Co., said by phone on Monday. Exports were 3.020 million barrels a day in June, he said." ---
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Are you stating that to be the reason the UK doesn't buy any oil from Iraq ?
Unfortunately because of the a peculiarity on my new computer I can't give the website address for the following.
--- "Iraqi’s oil exports from the south climbed to a record this month at the same time the self-ruled Kurds in the north are shipping crude independently, adding to a global supply glut as producers vie for market share.
A record since when?
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Are you stating that to be the reason the UK doesn't buy any oil from Iraq ?
Unfortunately because of the a peculiarity on my new computer I can't give the website address for the following.
--- "Iraqi’s oil exports from the south climbed to a record this month at the same time the self-ruled Kurds in the north are shipping crude independently, adding to a global supply glut as producers vie for market share.
A record since when? Stop your negative, ---- I don't like the information you post attack ---- and put up some relevant information to back up your position.
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Stop your negative, ---- I don't like the information you post attack ---- and put up some relevant information to back up your position. I am not attacking you, but you have not posted Britain's historical levels of imports of oil from Iraq.
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Sorry about the link, forgot to add, actually got it from stopwar.org.uk.
http://stopwar.org.uk/news/why-jeremy-corbyn-must-be-stopped-10-reasons-not-to-vote-for-him-to-be-labour-leader
Note: it says "source: stott.net" at the bottom anyway
Although what's wrong with links from facepalm if they're good?
And Cyril is totally credible.
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David Cameron and Jeremy Corbyn face each other in parliament at the first Prime Minister's Question time for the newly-elected leader of the Labour party. THE BIG political story in the UK this summer was undoubtedly 'Corbynmania'. How a 66-year-old antiwar activist and socialist had gone from being the rank 200-1 outsider in the Labour leadership contest election to be the red-hot favorite, and then the eventual winner.
Jeremy Corbyn, a modest, unassuming man who wears an open necked shirt and slacks instead of the usual politician's suit and tie, has really proved a big hit with the public, who have grown tired of slick politicians who are always 'on message', and who don't seem at all sincere in what they're saying.
Not everyone though has welcomed Corbyn's advance. One man who has made repeated warnings about the 'dangers' of Jeremy Corbyn is Cyril Waugh-Monger, a 'Very Important' newspaper columnist for the NeoCon Daily, a patron of the Senator Joe McCarthy Appreciation Society and the author of 'Why the Iraq War was a Brilliant Idea', as well as 'The Humanitarian Case for Bombing Syria'.
Below are Mr Waugh-Monger's ten commandments telling UK electors why they should not, under any circumstances, vote for Jeremy Corbyn.
1. Jeremy Corbyn wants to 'stop the war'.
Jeremy Corbyn opposed the bombing of Yugoslavia. He opposed the invasion of Afghanistan. He was against the invasion of Iraq. He was against bombing Libya and also voted against military action in Syria.
I ask you – is this the sort of man who is fit to be prime minister?
If Corbyn – heaven forbid – had been British Prime Minister in 2003 he would not have committed British troops to the invasion of Iraq. Just imagine what would have happened if we hadn't invaded Iraq! Well, I'll tell you what would have happened – the Middle East would now be a haven for terrorist groups which would be targeting British tourists on beaches when they go on their summer holidays. The whole Middle East would now be in turmoil. We'd be facing a refugee crisis with people fleeing all the countries that we hadn't destabilized.
2. Jeremy Corbyn is a dangerous leftist.
Just look at the sort of policies this man supports. He wants to re-nationalize the railways which have the highest fares in Europe.
He wants to scrap university tuition fees which consign students to a lifetime of debt. He would like to make housing affordable for ordinary people.
He wants an economy to suit the needs of the majority and not the 1%.
He wants to keep the Sunday trading laws as they are and not introduce 24/7 shopping. He is opposed to illegal wars which kill hundreds of thousands of people and he does not want to bring back fox-hunting. Quite clearly the man is some kind of left-wing nutcase.
3. Jeremy Corbyn has been critical of the US and Israel.
Outrageously, Corbyn has criticized US foreign policy and Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. He seems to think that the US and Israel have to abide by international law – and should be held accountable for their actions. The man is quite obviously a communist and as such should not become Britain's prime minister.
4. Jeremy Corbyn has extremist links.
Not only is Corbyn a dangerous radical himself, he also associates with dangerous extremists. He once spoke at a meeting where one of the other speakers had once shared a platform with a speaker who had once shared a platform with a speaker who had once shared a platform with a speaker who had once praised Joseph Stalin – proving undeniably that Corbyn is a Stalinist.
Also on Twitter, Corbyn once retweeted a person who had once retweeted another person who had once retweeted another person who had retweeted a tweet from someone who I don't approve of – proving once again Corby's extremism.
5. Jeremy Corbyn is unelectable.
Jeremy Corbyn wants to do things which the majority of the British public wants, such as re-nationalize the railways and keep Britain out of Middle East wars. This makes him unelectable because politicians are only electable if they want to do things the public doesn't want.
At the last election, Labour lost heavily to the anti-austerity SNP in Scotland and also lost lots of votes to the anti-austerity Greens. So it's obvious that to get these votes back, Labour needs a leader who supports austerity, and not someone who opposes it, like Corbyn.
I'm a very wealthy right-wing, pro-austerity warmonger, but believe me, I only want the best for Labour – which is to be a right-wing pro-austerity, pro-war party – barely distinguishable from the Tories.
Having two main parties who have identical views on the main issues is what democracy is all about. Corbyn as Labour leader will be very different from the Conservatives, which would obviously be very bad for democracy as it would give the electorate a real choice.
6. Jeremy Corbyn wants to take us back to the 1970s.
In the 1970s the gap between the rich and poor was at its lowest in the UK's history. Living standards for ordinary people were rising all the time and large sections of the economy were in public ownership. The banks did not run the country and the taxation system was steeply progressive.
Corbyn wants to take us back to these times! Think how disastrous that would be for rich people like me who would have to pay much higher rates of tax which would be redistributed to horrible working class-type people and people on middle incomes. The 1% would really suffer and the most talented people – like myself – and my neocon friends, would leave the country. That's what lies in store for us if Corbyn succeeds!
7. Jeremy Corbyn would leave Britain defenseless and open to invasion.
Corbyn has promised to scrap Trident.
If Trident was scrapped there's no doubt that the Russians, Iranians, Syrians and Hezbollah would launch a full scale invasion of Britain within 45 minutes.
Britain would be carved up between the 'Axis of Evil', with the Russians taking England, the Iranians Scotland and the Syrians, Wales (and Hezbollah in charge of Northern Ireland).
Just imagine, Aberystywyth under the control of the evil dictator Bashar al-Assad. Russian troops patroling the streets of Godalming. Iran's Revolutionary Guard marching in Sauchiehall Street. A nightmare scenario indeed, but all this would be the reality if Corbyn gets his way. The very future of our country is at stake.
8. Jeremy Corbyn once welcomed an article by John Pilger.
In 2004, Jeremy Corbyn was one of 25 MPs who signed an Early Day Motion which welcomed a Pilger article on Kosovo.
How outrageous! To think, a man who is now the leader of one of Britain's major parties once welcomed an article by John Pilger!
No one who has ever cited John Pilger with approval – let alone signed a motion supporting him – should be allowed to stand for high public office in Britain. The freedom to hold and express views and opinions in a democracy should only apply to opinions and views that myself and fellow elite neocons approve of! And we most certainly do not approve of John Pilger!
9. Jeremy Corbyn opposes austerity.
Austerity is working brilliantly at the moment.
It's provided a great excuse for the government to flog off remaining state assets at below their true market value to 'the right people' in the City. The welfare payments of lower-class people who have far too many children are being cut. Libraries and local authority services are being closed. Yet, guess what? The bearded one opposes all of this. He says that "austerity is a political choice, not an economic necessity."
He wants to protect public services and libraries from cuts – and instead wants to crackdown on tax evasion and increase taxes on the very wealthy! I ask you – is this the sort of man we want leading Labour – or worse still, the country?
And finally, but most importantly, the tenth commandment:
10. Jeremy Corbyn is very popular.
...And if he succeeds – which seems very likely – it's game over for me and my little clique of elite warmongers. We won't get our wars and we'll have to pay more taxes and it'll be all perfectly horrible! So, don't vote for Jeremy Corbyn, because although he'll be very good news for you – his success will be terrible for us!
Source: Sott.net
So in summary, don't even consider voting this man in, he's proven he'll definitely ruin the country where the Tories haven't!
Idealism is to be wanted and lauded, but it is fairy-tale thinking. It's a case of leave things alone and everything will be OK (just as soon as one can find one's magic wand). So people only need this one reason not to vote for Corbyn. Things evolve as time progresses to suit the needs of the time, , but Corbyn will take us backwards.
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"Old Old Labour" Really. And you base that on..?
A dream of a better world that inspired the forming of the Labour party, and is the driving force of Corbyn. As I pointed out in my earlier post the awfulness that existed before WWI / WWII no longer exists. IMO all we need to do now is to continue the improvements already made, what we do not need is to declare a 'them and us war' as people needed to do at the beginning of the 20th century. It's inclusive, not a them and us war.
In your head, he'll take the country back to the 70s because despite all your piffle about the media money conplex, you seemingly buy their bullshine by yhe bucketload.
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Stop your negative, ---- I don't like the information you post attack ---- and put up some relevant information to back up your position.
I am not attacking you, but you have not posted Britain's historical levels of imports of oil from Iraq. I have not, but I have posted that the UK did not buy any oil from Iraq, you have not shown any information to show they have.
Here are the last set of figures I saw for UK crude oil imports;
42% Norway (I believe the figure is even higher today). 14% Algeria. 13% Nigeria. 14% Other African countries. 7% Russia. 4% Saudi Arabia. 4% The Americas. 2% others.
I don't claim these figures are accurate today but if you can show any time since 2003 the UK was importing oil from Iraq, which is the point of my original post, then we may have a debate.
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A dream of a better world that inspired the forming of the Labour party, and is the driving force of Corbyn. As I pointed out in my earlier post the awfulness that existed before WWI / WWII no longer exists. IMO all we need to do now is to continue the improvements already made, what we do not need is to declare a 'them and us war' as people needed to do at the beginning of the 20th century.
It's inclusive, not a them and us war. In your head, he'll take the country back to the 70s because despite all your piffle about the media money conplex, you seemingly buy their bullshine by yhe bucketload. Corbyn's (hope for) inclusiveness, as gansao pointed out, referrers to the Labour party not to the country.
Whether intended or not, a socialist party would take us back to the 'them and us' position in the country. I want to fight the Tory party, not to deepen the divisions in the country.
What "piffle" am I responsible for ?
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I was going to start with "sod ten reasons there is just one" which was going to be peoples QE. Then i came across this article, which makes interesting reading, the kicker being a pro QE article in the telegraph of all places.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11869701/Jeremy-Corbyns-QE-for-the-people-is-exactly-what-the-world-may-soon-need.html
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Whether intended or not, a socialist party would take us back to the 'them and us' position in the country. I
We already ARE in a them and us position.
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The article points out that the city could turn on Corbyn over people's QE. Then the project could be forcibly made over-expensive.
Re cthu, your repeating of every anti-corbyn criticism from the papers.
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There is something of the ''feeble elderly uncle'' at the Christmas party about him..
Much to Cameron's relief I should imagine..
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Reading the narrative(s) here I find it bemusing to know that there has been a recent General Election in which the Conservative party (once more) has attained the majority support. Is the electorate sane? Or is there some other reason as to why we appear unable to elect a government as designed and intended - for the people?
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This is funny..
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Reading the narrative(s) here I find it bemusing to know that there has been a recent General Election in which the Conservative party (once more) has attained the majority support. Is the electorate sane? Or is there some other reason as to why we appear unable to elect a government as designed and intended - for the people?
I guess the electorate just don't agree with you.
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Whether intended or not, a socialist party would take us back to the 'them and us' position in the country. I
We already ARE in a them and us position. Correct, my point is do we widen it with another Left wing attack. Or do we attempt to narrow it ?
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Correct, my point is do we widen it with another Left wing attack. Or do we attempt to narrow it ? Widen it? Are you up to speed with what the Tories are in the process of doing?
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Correct, my point is do we widen it with another Left wing attack. Or do we attempt to narrow it ?
Widen it? Are you up to speed with what the Tories are in the process of doing? So we join them by diving to the left. And you ask me if I'm up to speed.
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