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| 10 Reasons NOT to vote for Corbyn; Corbyn may have won the Labour leadership, but columnist Cyril Waugh-Monger warns against him ever becoming prime minister. | |
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| Topic Started: Sep 17 2015, 06:21 PM (614 Views) | |
| skwirked | Sep 17 2015, 06:21 PM Post #1 |
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So in summary, don't even consider voting this man in, he's proven he'll definitely ruin the country where the Tories haven't! |
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| Affa | Sep 18 2015, 07:41 PM Post #41 |
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You disagree with the suggestion that there is a definite disconnect between what the public expect when they vote in a GE and the sort of government they invariably get (in our time)? Democracy is ostensibly 'Government by the people for the people', whereas what we have is Government for Business and Finance ..... and the pretence that doing so is a service to the general populous. I strongly disagree with that notion as the wealth gap will testify. |
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| skwirked | Sep 18 2015, 07:46 PM Post #42 |
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27k new labour members joined within 3 days of Corbyn being elected now LP have more members than ever. Odd that |
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| papasmurf | Sep 18 2015, 08:02 PM Post #43 |
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I do, because you seem, unaware of what have done and propose to do. |
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| C-too | Sep 18 2015, 10:48 PM Post #44 |
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I'm fully aware of Tory callousness for goodness sake, I've posted about it often enough. So let me explain in greater detail. The Tories are back to their old tricks attacking the most vulnerable in society. That is feeding and encouraging the hard liners on the right of politics. Corbyn, as a socialist is feeding and encouraging the ---- naïve 'I want a perfect country' ---- people on the left of politics. IN SHORT, CORBYN IS CRYSTALLISING A LEFT-WING 'V' RIGHT-WING DIVIDE. It's a battle the left could not win without a revolution and even then the outcome would be uncertain. |
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| papasmurf | Sep 19 2015, 07:38 AM Post #45 |
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The Tories are trying to foment a revolution anyway. For instance they are trying to kill off Freedom Of Information:- https://speakout.38degrees.org.uk/campaigns/protect-freedom-of-information Edited by papasmurf, Sep 19 2015, 07:42 AM.
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| C-too | Sep 19 2015, 07:55 AM Post #46 |
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It's not an "anyway" situation, it's about the most effective way of ousting the Tories from office. Just complaining about and pointing out injustices doesn't do it. |
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| papasmurf | Sep 19 2015, 08:11 AM Post #47 |
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My worry is by the time of the next election it will be VERY obvious that the Tories have made a dogs breakfast of things because their policies are doctrinal, not in the best interests of the country. They will be unelectable. The problem then is so many people will have been seriously damaged by the Tories they will vote for whatever opposition there is at the time. |
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| HIGHWAY | Sep 19 2015, 08:24 AM Post #48 |
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Of course you said the exact same thing before the election that has just passed,and look how wrong you were. You even got a Tory MP,but of course it was all the median fault.... |
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| Tytoalba | Sep 19 2015, 10:19 AM Post #49 |
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If you cannot oust them via the ballot box, a revolution is just plain undemocratic, force and violence instead of the will of the majority.. Revolutions can work both ways, We do not have a dictatorship to overthrow by force we have an elected parliament. Those that advocate for a revolution, should be ashamed of themselves, and must claim to be undemocratic in their beliefs. They already have representatives in Parliament elected to fight their corners by the use of argument and reason. The forces of law and order will prevail, and lawbreakers imprisoned. I spit on revolutionaries, unless via the ballot box, before cracking them over their heads. Ladies and gentlemen The Ballot box is the only way forward for us all in a civilised society.. Admit it Those that seek a forceful revolution deserve our contempt. |
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| papasmurf | Sep 19 2015, 10:21 AM Post #50 |
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The Tories are getting very close to it, with their repressive legislation making it next to impossible to challenge the excesses of the state and agents of it. |
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| Steve K | Sep 19 2015, 11:35 AM Post #51 |
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Not an impossible scenario imho. |
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| papasmurf | Sep 19 2015, 11:59 AM Post #52 |
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But the Tories ARE wrecking the country, they are merely making damned sure no-one can get a national audience to tell the public about it. |
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| skwirked | Sep 19 2015, 12:11 PM Post #53 |
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Oh for god's sake. |
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| Steve K | Sep 19 2015, 12:16 PM Post #54 |
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Irony and sarcasm are lost on some. I got it. |
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| papasmurf | Sep 19 2015, 12:20 PM Post #55 |
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The vast majority of people can no longer get legal aid even in criminal cases. If you plead not guilty you are charged a £600 fee, plead guilty and it costs you nothing. Legal aid no longer available for benefits related cases, medical negligence cases, or divorce cases. The right to criticise government policies by charities has been removed from charities. A charge of £600 is about to be introduced for Freedom Of Information requests. Those are just samples. If the latest attack on the Unions gets into law, the UK will be like Russia in the communist era, unions will have to ask for government permission to strike. These are just a few samples, this list is long. Within five years there will be a Tory totalitarian state. |
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| skwirked | Sep 19 2015, 12:30 PM Post #56 |
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But it's not subtle is it, subtlety is a lost art and I note that the people who are always busy saying that their humour is "too subtle for you" or anything equally as outright, are often the ones who are victims of their own words.
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| Tytoalba | Sep 19 2015, 03:32 PM Post #57 |
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Like all parties in Government they dictate the agenda and make the laws. That applied to all previous democratically governments since the war. You would expect Conservative Liberal and all other parties voters to abide by the dictates of a Labour government would you not? You will just have to wait until the end of this period of Government in under five years time to get the changes YOU want, but at the moment it does not seem likely to occur. Live in hope and abide by the democratic process, but I think labour has chosen the wrong leader with too outlandish policies. |
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| papasmurf | Sep 19 2015, 03:51 PM Post #58 |
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With the ever increasing speed the Tory cock-ups are converging I can't see this Tory Government lasting five years. The media/press propaganda machine can only shield them for so long. |
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| Bruv | Sep 19 2015, 03:52 PM Post #59 |
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Would be nice to have had a link though so we could investigate ourselves more easily because a Google search doesn't throw up much other than the bloke is.............apparently a very important newspaper columnist for the NeoCon Daily, a patron of the Senator Joe McCarthy Appreciation Society......so nobody to concern one self about really. |
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| C-too | Sep 19 2015, 05:57 PM Post #60 |
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If true, then it's all the more reason to get the opposition to a place where they can make a real challenge to the government. |
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| C-too | Sep 19 2015, 05:58 PM Post #61 |
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Assuming PS is correct with his list, are you in favour of them ? Is this what you voted for ? |
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| papasmurf | Sep 19 2015, 06:05 PM Post #62 |
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That you had to use the word assuming show how little reporting in the media/press is happening. Everyone of those except the Union law is already in place. |
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| Affa | Sep 19 2015, 08:45 PM Post #63 |
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A clear acceptance that the Conservative party in government operates on the basis of what is best for the party! No pretence here that they are a party for 'all', a party of inclusiveness, or even one that has the Nation's best interests as their own. |
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| skwirked | Sep 19 2015, 09:21 PM Post #64 |
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I was reading earlier that criminal law solicitors(?) went on strike for a while over further legal aid cuts of 8%. A lot of what you said is happening. |
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| Tytoalba | Sep 19 2015, 10:20 PM Post #65 |
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The worse they get, the more cock ups they make the more likely Labour {or some other party}will have of getting elected. If Scotland goes independent that is a big chunk of Labour and left wing support disappearing from Westminster. Be patient , for it could get a worse for your desires. |
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| Tytoalba | Sep 19 2015, 10:25 PM Post #66 |
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No I think the process of justice should be free in criminal courts. It is wrong to encourage guilty pleas to reduce the court cost. |
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| skwirked | Sep 19 2015, 10:29 PM Post #67 |
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But you will vote Tory regardless of that travesty of justice, despite having been a policeman yourself? |
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| Tytoalba | Sep 19 2015, 10:38 PM Post #68 |
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Voting for a party is NOT a one issue decision. .I agree with more of their policies than just the one issue., and every decision has the potential for change. |
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| skwirked | Sep 19 2015, 10:41 PM Post #69 |
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So you will, ok then. You go ahead and condone that shameful attack on ALL UK citizens' freedoms. Edited by skwirked, Sep 19 2015, 10:45 PM.
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| C-too | Sep 20 2015, 09:47 AM Post #70 |
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But the point is it is not just about "one issue". Here's the list posted by PS. Can you say which you are for and which you are against ? --- 1. "The vast majority of people can no longer get legal aid even in criminal cases. If you plead not guilty you are charged a £600 fee, plead guilty and it costs you nothing. Legal aid no longer available for benefits related cases, medical negligence cases, or divorce cases. 2. The right to criticise government policies by charities has been removed from charities. 3. A charge of £600 is about to be introduced for Freedom Of Information requests". --- (PS claims this is just part of a long list of issues). |
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