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10 Reasons NOT to vote for Corbyn; Corbyn may have won the Labour leadership, but columnist Cyril Waugh-Monger warns against him ever becoming prime minister.
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Corbyn may have won the Labour leadership, but columnist Cyril Waugh-Monger warns against him ever becoming prime minister.

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David Cameron and Jeremy Corbyn face each other in parliament at the first Prime Minister's Question time for the newly-elected leader of the Labour party.
THE BIG political story in the UK this summer was undoubtedly 'Corbynmania'. How a 66-year-old antiwar activist and socialist had gone from being the rank 200-1 outsider in the Labour leadership contest election to be the red-hot favorite, and then the eventual winner.

Jeremy Corbyn, a modest, unassuming man who wears an open necked shirt and slacks instead of the usual politician's suit and tie, has really proved a big hit with the public, who have grown tired of slick politicians who are always 'on message', and who don't seem at all sincere in what they're saying.

Not everyone though has welcomed Corbyn's advance. One man who has made repeated warnings about the 'dangers' of Jeremy Corbyn is Cyril Waugh-Monger, a 'Very Important' newspaper columnist for the NeoCon Daily, a patron of the Senator Joe McCarthy Appreciation Society and the author of 'Why the Iraq War was a Brilliant Idea', as well as 'The Humanitarian Case for Bombing Syria'.

Below are Mr Waugh-Monger's ten commandments telling UK electors why they should not, under any circumstances, vote for Jeremy Corbyn.

1. Jeremy Corbyn wants to 'stop the war'.

Jeremy Corbyn opposed the bombing of Yugoslavia. He opposed the invasion of Afghanistan. He was against the invasion of Iraq. He was against bombing Libya and also voted against military action in Syria.

I ask you – is this the sort of man who is fit to be prime minister?

If Corbyn – heaven forbid – had been British Prime Minister in 2003 he would not have committed British troops to the invasion of Iraq. Just imagine what would have happened if we hadn't invaded Iraq! Well, I'll tell you what would have happened – the Middle East would now be a haven for terrorist groups which would be targeting British tourists on beaches when they go on their summer holidays. The whole Middle East would now be in turmoil. We'd be facing a refugee crisis with people fleeing all the countries that we hadn't destabilized.

2. Jeremy Corbyn is a dangerous leftist.

Just look at the sort of policies this man supports. He wants to re-nationalize the railways which have the highest fares in Europe.

He wants to scrap university tuition fees which consign students to a lifetime of debt. He would like to make housing affordable for ordinary people.

He wants an economy to suit the needs of the majority and not the 1%.

He wants to keep the Sunday trading laws as they are and not introduce 24/7 shopping. He is opposed to illegal wars which kill hundreds of thousands of people and he does not want to bring back fox-hunting. Quite clearly the man is some kind of left-wing nutcase.

3. Jeremy Corbyn has been critical of the US and Israel.

Outrageously, Corbyn has criticized US foreign policy and Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. He seems to think that the US and Israel have to abide by international law – and should be held accountable for their actions. The man is quite obviously a communist and as such should not become Britain's prime minister.

4. Jeremy Corbyn has extremist links.

Not only is Corbyn a dangerous radical himself, he also associates with dangerous extremists. He once spoke at a meeting where one of the other speakers had once shared a platform with a speaker who had once shared a platform with a speaker who had once shared a platform with a speaker who had once praised Joseph Stalin – proving undeniably that Corbyn is a Stalinist.

Also on Twitter, Corbyn once retweeted a person who had once retweeted another person who had once retweeted another person who had retweeted a tweet from someone who I don't approve of – proving once again Corby's extremism.

5. Jeremy Corbyn is unelectable.

Jeremy Corbyn wants to do things which the majority of the British public wants, such as re-nationalize the railways and keep Britain out of Middle East wars. This makes him unelectable because politicians are only electable if they want to do things the public doesn't want.

At the last election, Labour lost heavily to the anti-austerity SNP in Scotland and also lost lots of votes to the anti-austerity Greens. So it's obvious that to get these votes back, Labour needs a leader who supports austerity, and not someone who opposes it, like Corbyn.

I'm a very wealthy right-wing, pro-austerity warmonger, but believe me, I only want the best for Labour – which is to be a right-wing pro-austerity, pro-war party – barely distinguishable from the Tories.

Having two main parties who have identical views on the main issues is what democracy is all about. Corbyn as Labour leader will be very different from the Conservatives, which would obviously be very bad for democracy as it would give the electorate a real choice.

6. Jeremy Corbyn wants to take us back to the 1970s.

In the 1970s the gap between the rich and poor was at its lowest in the UK's history. Living standards for ordinary people were rising all the time and large sections of the economy were in public ownership. The banks did not run the country and the taxation system was steeply progressive.

Corbyn wants to take us back to these times! Think how disastrous that would be for rich people like me who would have to pay much higher rates of tax which would be redistributed to horrible working class-type people and people on middle incomes. The 1% would really suffer and the most talented people – like myself – and my neocon friends, would leave the country. That's what lies in store for us if Corbyn succeeds!

7. Jeremy Corbyn would leave Britain defenseless and open to invasion.

Corbyn has promised to scrap Trident.

If Trident was scrapped there's no doubt that the Russians, Iranians, Syrians and Hezbollah would launch a full scale invasion of Britain within 45 minutes.

Britain would be carved up between the 'Axis of Evil', with the Russians taking England, the Iranians Scotland and the Syrians, Wales (and Hezbollah in charge of Northern Ireland).

Just imagine, Aberystywyth under the control of the evil dictator Bashar al-Assad. Russian troops patroling the streets of Godalming. Iran's Revolutionary Guard marching in Sauchiehall Street. A nightmare scenario indeed, but all this would be the reality if Corbyn gets his way. The very future of our country is at stake.

8. Jeremy Corbyn once welcomed an article by John Pilger.

In 2004, Jeremy Corbyn was one of 25 MPs who signed an Early Day Motion which welcomed a Pilger article on Kosovo.

How outrageous! To think, a man who is now the leader of one of Britain's major parties once welcomed an article by John Pilger!

No one who has ever cited John Pilger with approval – let alone signed a motion supporting him – should be allowed to stand for high public office in Britain. The freedom to hold and express views and opinions in a democracy should only apply to opinions and views that myself and fellow elite neocons approve of! And we most certainly do not approve of John Pilger!

9. Jeremy Corbyn opposes austerity.

Austerity is working brilliantly at the moment.

It's provided a great excuse for the government to flog off remaining state assets at below their true market value to 'the right people' in the City. The welfare payments of lower-class people who have far too many children are being cut. Libraries and local authority services are being closed. Yet, guess what? The bearded one opposes all of this. He says that "austerity is a political choice, not an economic necessity."

He wants to protect public services and libraries from cuts – and instead wants to crackdown on tax evasion and increase taxes on the very wealthy! I ask you – is this the sort of man we want leading Labour – or worse still, the country?

And finally, but most importantly, the tenth commandment:

10. Jeremy Corbyn is very popular.

...And if he succeeds – which seems very likely – it's game over for me and my little clique of elite warmongers. We won't get our wars and we'll have to pay more taxes and it'll be all perfectly horrible! So, don't vote for Jeremy Corbyn, because although he'll be very good news for you – his success will be terrible for us!

Source: Sott.net


So in summary, don't even consider voting this man in, he's proven he'll definitely ruin the country where the Tories haven't!
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Sep 18 2015, 12:54 PM
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Sep 18 2015, 12:05 PM
Reading the narrative(s) here I find it bemusing to know that there has been a recent General Election in which the Conservative party (once more) has attained the majority support.
Is the electorate sane? Or is there some other reason as to why we appear unable to elect a government as designed and intended - for the people?

I guess the electorate just don't agree with you.
You disagree with the suggestion that there is a definite disconnect between what the public expect when they vote in a GE and the sort of government they invariably get (in our time)?
Democracy is ostensibly 'Government by the people for the people', whereas what we have is Government for Business and Finance ..... and the pretence that doing so is a service to the general populous. I strongly disagree with that notion as the wealth gap will testify.
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Sep 18 2015, 07:41 PM
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Sep 18 2015, 12:05 PM
Reading the narrative(s) here I find it bemusing to know that there has been a recent General Election in which the Conservative party (once more) has attained the majority support.
Is the electorate sane? Or is there some other reason as to why we appear unable to elect a government as designed and intended - for the people?

I guess the electorate just don't agree with you.
You disagree with the suggestion that there is a definite disconnect between what the public expect when they vote in a GE and the sort of government they invariably get (in our time)?
Democracy is ostensibly 'Government by the people for the people', whereas what we have is Government for Business and Finance ..... and the pretence that doing so is a service to the general populous. I strongly disagree with that notion as the wealth gap will testify.
27k new labour members joined within 3 days of Corbyn being elected now LP have more members than ever.

Odd that
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Sep 18 2015, 06:45 PM
And you ask me if I'm up to speed.
I do, because you seem, unaware of what have done and propose to do.
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Sep 18 2015, 08:02 PM
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Sep 18 2015, 06:45 PM
And you ask me if I'm up to speed.
I do, because you seem, unaware of what have done and propose to do.
I'm fully aware of Tory callousness for goodness sake, I've posted about it often enough.

So let me explain in greater detail.
The Tories are back to their old tricks attacking the most vulnerable in society. That is feeding and encouraging the hard liners on the right of politics. Corbyn, as a socialist is feeding and encouraging the ---- naïve 'I want a perfect country' ---- people on the left of politics.

IN SHORT, CORBYN IS CRYSTALLISING A LEFT-WING 'V' RIGHT-WING DIVIDE. It's a battle the left could not win without a revolution and even then the outcome would be uncertain.
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Sep 18 2015, 10:48 PM


IN SHORT, CORBYN IS CRYSTALLISING A LEFT-WING 'V' RIGHT-WING DIVIDE. It's a battle the left could not win without a revolution and even then the outcome would be uncertain.
The Tories are trying to foment a revolution anyway.

For instance they are trying to kill off Freedom Of Information:-

https://speakout.38degrees.org.uk/campaigns/protect-freedom-of-information
Edited by papasmurf, Sep 19 2015, 07:42 AM.
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IN SHORT, CORBYN IS CRYSTALLISING A LEFT-WING 'V' RIGHT-WING DIVIDE. It's a battle the left could not win without a revolution and even then the outcome would be uncertain.
The Tories are trying to foment a revolution anyway.

For instance they are trying to kill off Freedom Of Information:-

https://speakout.38degrees.org.uk/campaigns/protect-freedom-of-information
It's not an "anyway" situation, it's about the most effective way of ousting the Tories from office. Just complaining about and pointing out injustices doesn't do it.
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Sep 19 2015, 07:55 AM
It's not an "anyway" situation, it's about the most effective way of ousting the Tories from office. Just complaining about and pointing out injustices doesn't do it.
My worry is by the time of the next election it will be VERY obvious that the Tories have made a dogs breakfast of things because their policies are doctrinal, not in the best interests of the country. They will be unelectable.
The problem then is so many people will have been seriously damaged by the Tories they will vote for whatever opposition there is at the time.

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Sep 19 2015, 08:11 AM
C-too
Sep 19 2015, 07:55 AM
It's not an "anyway" situation, it's about the most effective way of ousting the Tories from office. Just complaining about and pointing out injustices doesn't do it.
My worry is by the time of the next election it will be VERY obvious that the Tories have made a dogs breakfast of things because their policies are doctrinal, not in the best interests of the country. They will be unelectable.
The problem then is so many people will have been seriously damaged by the Tories they will vote for whatever opposition there is at the time.

Of course you said the exact same thing before the election that has just passed,and look how wrong you were.
You even got a Tory MP,but of course it was all the median fault....
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Sep 19 2015, 07:55 AM
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Sep 18 2015, 10:48 PM


IN SHORT, CORBYN IS CRYSTALLISING A LEFT-WING 'V' RIGHT-WING DIVIDE. It's a battle the left could not win without a revolution and even then the outcome would be uncertain.
The Tories are trying to foment a revolution anyway.

For instance they are trying to kill off Freedom Of Information:-

https://speakout.38degrees.org.uk/campaigns/protect-freedom-of-information
It's not an "anyway" situation, it's about the most effective way of ousting the Tories from office. Just complaining about and pointing out injustices doesn't do it.
If you cannot oust them via the ballot box, a revolution is just plain undemocratic, force and violence instead of the will of the majority.. Revolutions can work both ways, We do not have a dictatorship to overthrow by force we have an elected parliament.
Those that advocate for a revolution, should be ashamed of themselves, and must claim to be undemocratic in their beliefs. They already have representatives in Parliament elected to fight their corners by the use of argument and reason. The forces of law and order will prevail, and lawbreakers imprisoned.

I spit on revolutionaries, unless via the ballot box, before cracking them over their heads. !jk!

Ladies and gentlemen The Ballot box is the only way forward for us all in a civilised society.. Admit it
Those that seek a forceful revolution deserve our contempt.
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Sep 19 2015, 10:19 AM
We do not have a dictatorship to overthrow by force we have an elected parliament.
The Tories are getting very close to it, with their repressive legislation making it next to impossible to challenge the excesses of the state and agents of it.
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Sep 19 2015, 08:11 AM
C-too
Sep 19 2015, 07:55 AM
It's not an "anyway" situation, it's about the most effective way of ousting the Tories from office. Just complaining about and pointing out injustices doesn't do it.
My worry is by the time of the next election it will be VERY obvious that the Tories have made a dogs breakfast of things because their policies are doctrinal, not in the best interests of the country. They will be unelectable.
The problem then is so many people will have been seriously damaged by the Tories they will vote for whatever opposition there is at the time.

Not an impossible scenario imho.
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Sep 17 2015, 06:21 PM


So in summary, don't even consider voting this man in, he's proven he'll definitely ruin the country where the Tories haven't!
But the Tories ARE wrecking the country, they are merely making damned sure no-one can get a national audience to tell the public about it.
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Oh for god's sake.
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Sep 19 2015, 12:11 PM
Oh for god's sake.
Irony and sarcasm are lost on some. I got it.
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Sep 19 2015, 12:11 PM
Oh for god's sake.
The vast majority of people can no longer get legal aid even in criminal cases. If you plead not guilty you are charged a £600 fee, plead guilty and it costs you nothing.
Legal aid no longer available for benefits related cases, medical negligence cases, or divorce cases.
The right to criticise government policies by charities has been removed from charities.
A charge of £600 is about to be introduced for Freedom Of Information requests.
Those are just samples.
If the latest attack on the Unions gets into law, the UK will be like Russia in the communist era, unions will have to ask for government permission to strike.
These are just a few samples, this list is long. Within five years there will be a Tory totalitarian state.
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Oh for god's sake.
Irony and sarcasm are lost on some. I got it.
But it's not subtle is it, subtlety is a lost art and I note that the people who are always busy saying that their humour is "too subtle for you" or anything equally as outright, are often the ones who are victims of their own words. :P
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Sep 19 2015, 10:19 AM
We do not have a dictatorship to overthrow by force we have an elected parliament.
The Tories are getting very close to it, with their repressive legislation making it next to impossible to challenge the excesses of the state and agents of it.
Like all parties in Government they dictate the agenda and make the laws. That applied to all previous democratically governments since the war. You would expect Conservative Liberal and all other parties voters to abide by the dictates of a Labour government would you not?
You will just have to wait until the end of this period of Government in under five years time to get the changes YOU want, but at the moment it does not seem likely to occur. Live in hope and abide by the democratic process, but I think labour has chosen the wrong leader with too outlandish policies.
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Sep 19 2015, 03:32 PM
You will just have to wait until the end of this period of Government in under five years time to get the changes YOU want,
With the ever increasing speed the Tory cock-ups are converging I can't see this Tory Government lasting five years.
The media/press propaganda machine can only shield them for so long.
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Would be nice to have had a link though so we could investigate ourselves more easily because a Google search doesn't throw up much other than the bloke is.............apparently a very important newspaper columnist for the NeoCon Daily, a patron of the Senator Joe McCarthy Appreciation Society......so nobody to concern one self about really.
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skwirked
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Oh for god's sake.
The vast majority of people can no longer get legal aid even in criminal cases. If you plead not guilty you are charged a £600 fee, plead guilty and it costs you nothing.
Legal aid no longer available for benefits related cases, medical negligence cases, or divorce cases.
The right to criticise government policies by charities has been removed from charities.
A charge of £600 is about to be introduced for Freedom Of Information requests.
Those are just samples.
If the latest attack on the Unions gets into law, the UK will be like Russia in the communist era, unions will have to ask for government permission to strike.
These are just a few samples, this list is long. Within five years there will be a Tory totalitarian state.
If true, then it's all the more reason to get the opposition to a place where they can make a real challenge to the government.
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Sep 19 2015, 03:32 PM
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Sep 19 2015, 10:21 AM
Tytoalba
Sep 19 2015, 10:19 AM
We do not have a dictatorship to overthrow by force we have an elected parliament.
The Tories are getting very close to it, with their repressive legislation making it next to impossible to challenge the excesses of the state and agents of it.
Like all parties in Government they dictate the agenda and make the laws. That applied to all previous democratically governments since the war. You would expect Conservative Liberal and all other parties voters to abide by the dictates of a Labour government would you not?
You will just have to wait until the end of this period of Government in under five years time to get the changes YOU want, but at the moment it does not seem likely to occur. Live in hope and abide by the democratic process, but I think labour has chosen the wrong leader with too outlandish policies.
Assuming PS is correct with his list, are you in favour of them ? Is this what you voted for ?
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Sep 19 2015, 05:58 PM
Assuming PS is correct with his list, are you in favour of them ? Is this what you voted for ?
That you had to use the word assuming show how little reporting in the media/press is happening. Everyone of those except the Union law is already in place.
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Sep 19 2015, 10:21 AM
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Sep 19 2015, 10:19 AM
We do not have a dictatorship to overthrow by force we have an elected parliament.
The Tories are getting very close to it, with their repressive legislation making it next to impossible to challenge the excesses of the state and agents of it.
Like all parties in Government they dictate the agenda and make the laws. That applied to all previous democratically governments since the war. You would expect Conservative Liberal and all other parties voters to abide by the dictates of a Labour government would you not?
You will just have to wait until the end of this period of Government in under five years time to get the changes YOU want, but at the moment it does not seem likely to occur. Live in hope and abide by the democratic process, but I think labour has chosen the wrong leader with too outlandish policies.
A clear acceptance that the Conservative party in government operates on the basis of what is best for the party!
No pretence here that they are a party for 'all', a party of inclusiveness, or even one that has the Nation's best interests as their own.
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Sep 19 2015, 05:58 PM
Assuming PS is correct with his list, are you in favour of them ? Is this what you voted for ?
That you had to use the word assuming show how little reporting in the media/press is happening. Everyone of those except the Union law is already in place.
I was reading earlier that criminal law solicitors(?) went on strike for a while over further legal aid cuts of 8%.

A lot of what you said is happening.
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You will just have to wait until the end of this period of Government in under five years time to get the changes YOU want,
With the ever increasing speed the Tory cock-ups are converging I can't see this Tory Government lasting five years.
The media/press propaganda machine can only shield them for so long.
The worse they get, the more cock ups they make the more likely Labour {or some other party}will have of getting elected. If Scotland goes independent that is a big chunk of Labour and left wing support disappearing from Westminster. Be patient , for it could get a worse for your desires.
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Sep 19 2015, 10:21 AM

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Like all parties in Government they dictate the agenda and make the laws. That applied to all previous democratically governments since the war. You would expect Conservative Liberal and all other parties voters to abide by the dictates of a Labour government would you not?
You will just have to wait until the end of this period of Government in under five years time to get the changes YOU want, but at the moment it does not seem likely to occur. Live in hope and abide by the democratic process, but I think labour has chosen the wrong leader with too outlandish policies.
Assuming PS is correct with his list, are you in favour of them ? Is this what you voted for ?
No I think the process of justice should be free in criminal courts. It is wrong to encourage guilty pleas to reduce the court cost.
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Sep 19 2015, 03:32 PM

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Assuming PS is correct with his list, are you in favour of them ? Is this what you voted for ?
No I think the process of justice should be free in criminal courts. It is wrong to encourage guilty pleas to reduce the court cost.
But you will vote Tory regardless of that travesty of justice, despite having been a policeman yourself?

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No I think the process of justice should be free in criminal courts. It is wrong to encourage guilty pleas to reduce the court cost.
But you will vote Tory regardless of that travesty of justice, despite having been a policeman yourself?

Voting for a party is NOT a one issue decision. .I agree with more of their policies than just the one issue., and every decision has the potential for change.
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But you will vote Tory regardless of that travesty of justice, despite having been a policeman yourself?

Voting for a party is NOT a one issue decision. .I agree with more of their policies than just the one issue., and every decision has the potential for change.
So you will, ok then.

You go ahead and condone that shameful attack on ALL UK citizens' freedoms.
Edited by skwirked, Sep 19 2015, 10:45 PM.
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But you will vote Tory regardless of that travesty of justice, despite having been a policeman yourself?

Voting for a party is NOT a one issue decision. .I agree with more of their policies than just the one issue., and every decision has the potential for change.
But the point is it is not just about "one issue".

Here's the list posted by PS. Can you say which you are for and which you are against ?

--- 1. "The vast majority of people can no longer get legal aid even in criminal cases. If you plead not guilty you are charged a £600 fee, plead guilty and it costs you nothing.
Legal aid no longer available for benefits related cases, medical negligence cases, or divorce cases.

2. The right to criticise government policies by charities has been removed from charities.

3. A charge of £600 is about to be introduced for Freedom Of Information requests". ---

(PS claims this is just part of a long list of issues).
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