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| How Jeremy Corbyn is being misquoted by the Tory press #PrivateEye; Our lovely media | |
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| Topic Started: Sep 18 2015, 05:12 PM (602 Views) | |
| skwirked | Sep 18 2015, 05:12 PM Post #1 |
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![]() Fantastic extrapolations there. Our "free and fair" media must be the envy of so many. |
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| Tigger | Sep 22 2015, 08:47 PM Post #41 |
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I have no daughters but six sons, I suspect all of them, long after I'm dead of course, will have faces akin to Micky Rourkes ball bag. |
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| C-too | Sep 23 2015, 07:45 AM Post #42 |
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The Tories got the country into one hell of a mess from 1979 but it took 18 years to dislodge them. The message is that; 1. The Tories can get and have got away with plenty of mistakes and damage to society. Mistakes etc. that Labour would not have been allowed to get away with. 2. It will take something special to dislodge them this time, and there is nothing new or special about Old Labour. |
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| Tytoalba | Sep 23 2015, 10:47 AM Post #43 |
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The only thing that will dislodge them is the will of the people, and that will be via the ballot box. Currently there is no significant signs that they want a change from the present policies. Labour may be gathering members from the disaffected, but look around you and yo will see that they remain in a minority It is just too easy to colour or own opinions by our own desires, but it requires clear objectivity to look outside our own little boxes to get a feel for what really is taking place .and what the general mood of the country is. Just remember there is another 4 1/2 years of this government to run with reasonable expectation that they will keep their majority. "Its the economy stupid" That's where the majority of votes come from, with idealism taking second place some way behind. Incidentally I see many ex and current university graduates signing up to Corbyns policies for they want to be rid of their outstanding or current university fees. Self interest and personal greed to the fore again. |
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| Tytoalba | Sep 23 2015, 10:50 AM Post #44 |
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Your convinced of the press bias, so why do they sell so many newspapers? Perhaps their readers are more open minded and think for themselves? |
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| papasmurf | Sep 23 2015, 10:51 AM Post #45 |
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That only applies when both the economy AND the people are doing well. Currently increasingly the people are NOT doing well. The Tories only got 25% of the electorate to vote for them at the last general election. With more people getting worse of as time goes by, there won't be anything like 25% available to the Tories next time. |
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| C-too | Sep 23 2015, 11:02 AM Post #46 |
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Exactly, it took a NEW APPROACH by people who understood the situation and were able to get their message through (thanks to the press that thought a change was due and was right) in order to dislodge the Tories in 1997. Failing Tory governments such as the period 1951 to 1964 and the Thatcher period remained in power. Old Labour remained in opposition. One does not have to be the brightest kid in the class in order to get the message. |
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| C-too | Sep 23 2015, 11:07 AM Post #47 |
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The answer is reasonably obvious, their readers are also biased. |
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| skwirked | Sep 23 2015, 11:17 AM Post #48 |
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You have to laugh, really, don't you. |
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| C-too | Sep 23 2015, 12:41 PM Post #49 |
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Yep.
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| Wizard | Sep 23 2015, 12:50 PM Post #50 |
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It's probably best for him and the Labour Party that he is being misquoted, as literal quotations would undoubtedly be significantly more damaging. I'm certain that if this negative man made a decision whilst sitting in his office he'd run round round to the other side of his desk and disagree with it. |
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| RJD | Sep 23 2015, 01:05 PM Post #51 |
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Even though they are taking a long time over cutting the appalling cost of the State and demanding efficiency gains from that sector, the direction of travel is a positive one seemingly supported by the majority of Voters. The only revolution on the horizon will be from those demanding jobs and those with jobs are unlikely to want to risk these by allowing Comrade Corbyn to get his hands on the levers of power. It seems that the Tories are attempting to increase the basic rates of wages, pity they cannot yet get rid of the taxes on jobs, and are looking to expand house building programmes. I do not recognise your description of the state of the UK. |
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| papasmurf | Sep 23 2015, 01:39 PM Post #52 |
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RJD given what you use as your sources of information that comes as no surprise to me. |
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| Lewis | Sep 23 2015, 01:52 PM Post #53 |
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Well the cracks in the economy are already appearing with the stock market crashing, borrowing is out of control, tax receipts are much less than forecast, unemployment rising, interest rates stuck at 0.5% and may reduce further. |
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| Affa | Sep 23 2015, 02:50 PM Post #54 |
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While ever there are the wealthy, while ever there are corporate business here, while ever there is the Establishment, there will be a viable Conservative presence! |
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| Affa | Sep 23 2015, 03:02 PM Post #55 |
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Only true when the truth of it, of the economy, is reported. The Tories rely heavily on spin and the media in order to convince the electorate that they are competent on the economy, and portray Labour as wreckers ... when most all the data regarding economic failures in the past can be laid at the Tory's feet. Most recently the period of stagnation that the last government takes no blame for ..... In September 2010, a mere four months into the new government Osborne claimed that the encouraging growth figure were evidence that Plan A was working! Not once did he declare that the following years of stagnation were in any way due to plan A not working ...... he had other excuses. Were he held to account by an honest press he'd have been out of the job! Edited by Affa, Sep 23 2015, 03:03 PM.
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| papasmurf | Sep 23 2015, 03:22 PM Post #56 |
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But only around 100000 votes can't get the Tories into power. Because the way things are going that will be about all the votes they have left. |
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| marybrown | Sep 23 2015, 03:27 PM Post #57 |
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Yeah right..we are all going to vote for veggie nutter who thinks it's ok to let as many migrants in..who want to come here..Shagged Dianne Abbott.. He is fecking ridiculous.. |
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| Jonksy | Sep 23 2015, 03:35 PM Post #58 |
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He may be ridiculous but at least he can walk past a butchers shop without getting a hard-on.. |
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| RJD | Sep 23 2015, 04:06 PM Post #59 |
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Forever, despite history, you dream of your revolution. Recall in a period of significant social strife and much greater political disunion the Tories were in Gov. for most of the 20th C. Problem now is that they can relax as there is no credible replacement. Not only that but the Tories now dominate the centre ground of UK politics with the two posh boys vying for position of "most significant wet". They are sounding more like light blue Conservatives, never light blue Labourites, as time goes on. Dream on Mr Smurf there is more probability that the middle-roaders rise up to put down the dangerous thoughts of Comrade Corbyn and his Acolytes, than the workers destroying their jobs and bringing down society just to spite the rich. |
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| papasmurf | Sep 23 2015, 04:11 PM Post #60 |
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RJD, the current government is adding millions to the numbers of poor, they have effed off , the police, the medical profession and the judiciary, just who do you will be left by 2020 to vote for them? |
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| skwirked | Sep 23 2015, 04:14 PM Post #61 |
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Aren't you thinking of Milipede, or Cam? Corbs revelations aren't that shocking, some will just find any excuse to blow it all out of proportion. And his policies arent that 'wild' either, in fact all in all people seem annoyed that he's not some looney firebrand. How bloody stupid they are. |
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| marybrown | Sep 23 2015, 04:18 PM Post #62 |
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Not tempted by the pig's heads then..or even Dianne Abbott?? |
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| RJD | Sep 23 2015, 04:18 PM Post #63 |
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Probably a good few hundred thousand more than voted for them in 2015. There is, currently, no viable alternative. Nobody is going to risk their livelihoods to go on a risky journey with Comrade Corbyn who thinks he has a Money-tree with which he can make the Poor richer. People are interested in jobs, in the economy, and welfare does not figure large in Average Joe Voter's mind. As you saw at the last GE shouting "the end is nigh" drives Voters in the opposite direction. |
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| papasmurf | Sep 23 2015, 04:23 PM Post #64 |
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RJD it may have passed you buy but the Tories are in the process of impoverishing most of their voter base. |
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| RJD | Sep 23 2015, 04:37 PM Post #65 |
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According to you, but there still is no viable alternative and that is our problem. The Tories can be the shittiest Gov. since God knows and they still would see off Corbyn and his merry gang of fools. I hope to see a proper SDP, with serious minded Politicians, providing serious opposition and possibly Gov., replacing those naive fools. It really is not worth wasting breath on Corbyn as he is just a 1st rate joke figure with zero understanding of what is required to pay our way in the World. I find it remarkable that some so-called educated people actually voice support in public. |
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| Jonksy | Sep 23 2015, 05:00 PM Post #66 |
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| Jonksy | Sep 23 2015, 05:02 PM Post #67 |
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And the caMoron isn't a joke? You have it bad if you cannot see what a joke caMoron is oink oink.. |
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| marybrown | Sep 23 2015, 05:05 PM Post #68 |
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You can shag Curry...she was the same party.. Unlike immigrants..And before you say she was born in England..a dog may be born in a stable...but it doesn't make it a horse.. |
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| Jonksy | Sep 23 2015, 05:12 PM Post #69 |
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She was still born in the UK.. And as for stables and horses the tories would know all about that along with piglets and porkers.. |
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| Tigger | Sep 23 2015, 07:01 PM Post #70 |
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Or alternatively they just want their prejudices reinforced? Sometimes things are so obvious that certain people cannot see beyond that prejudice. And newspaper sales are in steep decline, something else you'd not hear about unless you read Private Eye............ |
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| Tigger | Sep 23 2015, 07:08 PM Post #71 |
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With record low interest rates the economy should be motoring along, the fact it isn't and there is now loud talk of another interest rate cut has you wondering how long it will be before we run out of props and bandages and economic reality finally hits home? A further cut in those rates will see the dim British public go on the mother of all spending sprees. |
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| Tigger | Sep 23 2015, 07:20 PM Post #72 |
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I know what you mean, his idea to renationalise our expensive an inefficient railways is mental. And despite being privatised (sic) they are still getting hefty taxpayer subsidies. Whatever happened to your much vaunted sound logic and those outdated balance sheets you still use? But despite all this and being so crap our railways are according to some other deranged individuals, "The financial envy of Europe" I wasn't sure which one of these was appropriate-
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| skwirked | Sep 23 2015, 07:30 PM Post #73 |
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The stats don't take into account the cost-benefit to the economy. Think about it, if people could travel to work anywhere, cheaply and quickly... They used to offer 'workers fares' on the railways. Edited by skwirked, Sep 23 2015, 07:31 PM.
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| Tigger | Sep 23 2015, 07:38 PM Post #74 |
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Fares rises have long outstripped wage rises, and the service levels have deteriorated to boot. But according to the forums capitalists and neo cons this would appear to be fine! Dogma can make some people appear both stupid and pig headed. I could drive just about anywhere in England in a five litre car and it would be cheaper than taking the train. Edited by Tigger, Sep 23 2015, 07:39 PM.
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| skwirked | Sep 23 2015, 07:42 PM Post #75 |
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Apparently it's all about saving "the taxpayer" money. Nothing else matters, not even the economy. |
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| Tigger | Sep 23 2015, 07:57 PM Post #76 |
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I'd say it was more about ensuring shareholders getting reasonable returns, and fuck the customer, a British tradition followed by our former car makers and textile industries, to name but two. |
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| skwirked | Sep 23 2015, 08:12 PM Post #77 |
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That's underneath yes, make your rich mates money and screw everyone else. |
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| Jonksy | Sep 23 2015, 10:12 PM Post #78 |
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What I love about piratization is the FACT that those who support it and the blatant tory theft from the tax payers are also being fucked over along with the rest of us but they have too keep stumb rather than appear as the true idiots that they really are.. |
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| skwirked | Sep 24 2015, 03:45 AM Post #79 |
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Anyone seen cams and tory tweets about a 'threat' to national security. Look at this pile of doo: ![]() ![]() https://facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10153403951429279&id=8807334278&_rdr http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/23/british-establishment-problem-democracy-jeremy-corbyn "Add in the fact that the intelligence services have also said they will “restrict” information to Corbyn “or any of his cabinet” because of the opposition leader’s “detestation of Britain’s security services” – and it’s clear the problem unelected officials have with elected politicians who disagree with them goes far beyond the odd bilious general. " Tory and establishment scaremongering at its finest.
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| disgruntled porker | Sep 24 2015, 08:07 AM Post #80 |
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Older than most people think I am.
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Why do drug dealers sell so many drugs? Perhaps it's because their brains are so addled from years of been sold, and consuming shite. Same difference. Bet I get an analogy bollocking from ReJ!
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