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Family Trees
Topic Started: Sep 19 2015, 08:10 PM (1,148 Views)
Oddball
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Well guys and gals, I have reached that time in life when assembling my family tree is turning from a hobby to a time consuming obsession. A least it keeps me off the booze, gambling and drugs etc..

It is amazing what I am learning about my relatives - warts and all.

How many of you have taken to online family and inter e-mail sleuthing? Found any juicy stuff yet?
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marybrown
Oct 1 2015, 03:24 PM
Oddball2
Sep 30 2015, 03:49 AM

ps. Marybrown - It also seems that I have links with the folks in Warwick Castle.
Richard Neville, 16th Earl of Warwick..I got back as far as him..after that it was the Plantagenets..

We should swop info..

I believe that the Earl of Warwick was called the 'King Maker' back during that period.

Regarded as the most powerful landowner and who he chose would win.

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marybrown
Oct 1 2015, 03:24 PM
Oddball2
Sep 30 2015, 03:49 AM

ps. Marybrown - It also seems that I have links with the folks in Warwick Castle.
Richard Neville, 16th Earl of Warwick..I got back as far as him..after that it was the Plantagenets..

We should swop info..

I believe that the Earl of Warwick was called the 'King Maker' back during that period.

Regarded as the most powerful landowner and who he chose would win.

If I recall my history correctly, 'The Kingmaker' eventually came 'unstuck' in his royal meddling, something that was often a risk in those days.
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Oddball
Jan 22 2016, 11:01 AM
Affa
Jan 21 2016, 06:34 PM
marybrown
Oct 1 2015, 03:24 PM

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I believe that the Earl of Warwick was called the 'King Maker' back during that period.

Regarded as the most powerful landowner and who he chose would win.

If I recall my history correctly, 'The Kingmaker' eventually came 'unstuck' in his royal meddling, something that was often a risk in those days.
Yes..there was a problem if you got too big for your boots in those days. :rubchin:
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marybrown
Jan 21 2016, 01:21 PM
Oddball
Jan 21 2016, 10:00 AM
Just a quickie to let you guys know that you may hail me with - Ave Imperator moritum te salutant, or indeed, Salve Caesar. I have discovered quite a number of Roman Emperors and Empresses in the old lineage. Two notable ones are Constantine I 'The Great', the guy who 'Christianised' the Empire, and his mother, Saint Helena 'Of the True Cross', Empress of Rome. Helena actually came from lowly stock - her father was an 'unnamed' innkeeper and her mother has no record at all - she was probably a concubine 'wife' of her pagan emperor husband who died in Eboracum - aka Yorvic/York [the church of St. Helena in York was reputedly built over his grave site, Helena's remains are entombed in the Vatican. They are [amongst] my 61st and 62nd great grandparents.
Wow...

Hail Caesar!!.. :)

Try not to fiddle whilst Britain is burning.. 8-)
;D ;D ;D

Anyway worthy: Oddball

Not for being Caesar's great great . . .great sprog but for doing all that work



Didn't QI once show we are all related to William the Conker?
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Jan 23 2016, 12:46 PM
marybrown
Jan 21 2016, 01:21 PM
Oddball
Jan 21 2016, 10:00 AM
Just a quickie to let you guys know that you may hail me with - Ave Imperator moritum te salutant, or indeed, Salve Caesar. I have discovered quite a number of Roman Emperors and Empresses in the old lineage. Two notable ones are Constantine I 'The Great', the guy who 'Christianised' the Empire, and his mother, Saint Helena 'Of the True Cross', Empress of Rome. Helena actually came from lowly stock - her father was an 'unnamed' innkeeper and her mother has no record at all - she was probably a concubine 'wife' of her pagan emperor husband who died in Eboracum - aka Yorvic/York [the church of St. Helena in York was reputedly built over his grave site, Helena's remains are entombed in the Vatican. They are [amongst] my 61st and 62nd great grandparents.
Wow...

Hail Caesar!!.. :)

Try not to fiddle whilst Britain is burning.. 8-)
;D ;D ;D

Anyway worthy: Oddball

Not for being Caesar's great great . . .great sprog but for doing all that work



Didn't QI once show we are all related to William the Conker?
Whaat?..to him personally??? :rubchin:
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Jan 23 2016, 01:19 PM
Steve K
Jan 23 2016, 12:46 PM
marybrown
Jan 21 2016, 01:21 PM

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;D ;D ;D

Anyway worthy: Oddball

Not for being Caesar's great great . . .great sprog but for doing all that work



Didn't QI once show we are all related to William the Conker?
Whaat?..to him personally??? :rubchin:
Well in the days before Jeremy Kyle DNA tests they did put it about a bit

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Jan 23 2016, 01:25 PM
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Jan 23 2016, 01:19 PM
Steve K
Jan 23 2016, 12:46 PM

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Whaat?..to him personally??? :rubchin:
Well in the days before Jeremy Kyle DNA tests they did put it about a bit

One has to be friendly in life ;D doncha know? ;D
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Jan 23 2016, 02:55 PM
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Jan 23 2016, 01:25 PM
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Jan 23 2016, 01:19 PM

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Well in the days before Jeremy Kyle DNA tests they did put it about a bit

One has to be friendly in life ;D doncha know? ;D
We are all related???

Bit too friendly for my liking... !jk!
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Oddball
Jan 21 2016, 10:00 AM
Just a quickie to let you guys know that you may hail me with - Ave Imperator moritum te salutant, or indeed, Salve Caesar. I have discovered quite a number of Roman Emperors and Empresses in the old lineage. Two notable ones are Constantine I 'The Great', the guy who 'Christianised' the Empire, and his mother, Saint Helena 'Of the True Cross', Empress of Rome. Helena actually came from lowly stock - her father was an 'unnamed' innkeeper and her mother has no record at all - she was probably a concubine 'wife' of her pagan emperor husband who died in Eboracum - aka Yorvic/York [the church of St. Helena in York was reputedly built over his grave site, Helena's remains are entombed in the Vatican. They are [amongst] my 61st and 62nd great grandparents.
:rubchin:

How on earth did you deduce you are descended from a Roman emperor? Even the queen struggles to get get any further than the 7th century! That said it's been claimed that about 10% of humanity is descended from Ghengis Khan as he knocked out dozens of kids.

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We always derived some amusement that my mother's Cornish maiden name is also the family name of a Roman Emperor and his noble family.

Well, it beats the hell out of one of those trades names like "Herringchoker" or "Pinsmith"
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Jan 23 2016, 09:59 PM
We always derived some amusement that my mother's Cornish maiden name is also the family name of a Roman Emperor and his noble family.

Caligula and Incitatus?
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Jan 23 2016, 12:46 PM
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Jan 21 2016, 01:21 PM
Oddball
Jan 21 2016, 10:00 AM
Just a quickie to let you guys know that you may hail me with - Ave Imperator moritum te salutant, or indeed, Salve Caesar. I have discovered quite a number of Roman Emperors and Empresses in the old lineage. Two notable ones are Constantine I 'The Great', the guy who 'Christianised' the Empire, and his mother, Saint Helena 'Of the True Cross', Empress of Rome. Helena actually came from lowly stock - her father was an 'unnamed' innkeeper and her mother has no record at all - she was probably a concubine 'wife' of her pagan emperor husband who died in Eboracum - aka Yorvic/York [the church of St. Helena in York was reputedly built over his grave site, Helena's remains are entombed in the Vatican. They are [amongst] my 61st and 62nd great grandparents.
Wow...

Hail Caesar!!.. :)

Try not to fiddle whilst Britain is burning.. 8-)
;D ;D ;D

Anyway worthy: Oddball

Not for being Caesar's great great . . .great sprog but for doing all that work



Didn't QI once show we are all related to William the Conker?
A lot of us most certainly are coz they certainly spread and splashed their seed about! I am related to The Corn Curer, but by bastard and half sibling issue. I do have several Dukes and Earls of Normandy and Brittany solidly in my Tree. One of my Norman ancestors in effect is the main progenitor of the Scottish royal Brus/Bruce line. Other ancestors fought for the opposition in such as the Battle of the Standard. The father sided with the English, as did his elder son, but the younger son sided with the Scots. The younger son got captured, but was considered to be still a sprog, so he was sent packing back to ma. Two sons of the Viking line went with Harald Hardrada to take on Harald Godwinson's English army at Stamford Bridge, were captured but allowed to leave - another ancestor had fought for the English side. A few days later another ancestor was on Duke William's side at the Hastings fracas - he did alright out of the deal - William was quite generous in doling out former English lands and manors to his pals. Things haven't changed that much in business and politics.
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Jan 23 2016, 10:07 PM
Curious Cdn
Jan 23 2016, 09:59 PM
We always derived some amusement that my mother's Cornish maiden name is also the family name of a Roman Emperor and his noble family.

Caligula and Incitatus?
I'm related through Julia Flavia to Caligula and Nero, but not too closely that I might feel threatened by some bad gene link!
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Jan 21 2016, 10:00 AM
Just a quickie to let you guys know that you may hail me with - Ave Imperator moritum te salutant, or indeed, Salve Caesar. I have discovered quite a number of Roman Emperors and Empresses in the old lineage. Two notable ones are Constantine I 'The Great', the guy who 'Christianised' the Empire, and his mother, Saint Helena 'Of the True Cross', Empress of Rome. Helena actually came from lowly stock - her father was an 'unnamed' innkeeper and her mother has no record at all - she was probably a concubine 'wife' of her pagan emperor husband who died in Eboracum - aka Yorvic/York [the church of St. Helena in York was reputedly built over his grave site, Helena's remains are entombed in the Vatican. They are [amongst] my 61st and 62nd great grandparents.
:rubchin:

How on earth did you deduce you are descended from a Roman emperor? Even the queen struggles to get get any further than the 7th century! That said it's been claimed that about 10% of humanity is descended from Ghengis Khan as he knocked out dozens of kids.

I was going down one of my 'Viking' lesser royal lines and came across the wife of one of them with a handle 'of Rome' attached to her, she also had a Roman type name, so out of curiosity I followed up her lineage trail, and firmly linked into two dynasties - the Flavius lot, and the Sabinius/Sabine shower - plus forays into other dynastic lines. I've done a lot, but there is a humungus amount left to do. It is a pity that the 'common folk' of old are a real sod to follow up, although I do have a few slave/concubine mothers within my Tree.

ps. HM Queenie does have connections with some of the Roman emperors, and hailing from Krautland she will be in and out related to some of my Scandinavian, Gallic, Vandal, Goth, Visigoth and Angle ancestry, especially the most villainous.
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We always derived some amusement that my mother's Cornish maiden name is also the family name of a Roman Emperor and his noble family.

Caligula and Incitatus?
Thickuth Dickuth
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Jan 23 2016, 09:59 PM
We always derived some amusement that my mother's Cornish maiden name is also the family name of a Roman Emperor and his noble family.

Well, it beats the hell out of one of those trades names like "Herringchoker" or "Pinsmith"
Or Ramsbottom! ;D One of my relations married a Gawthrop??

Sounds like a particularly nasty disease!!

''oooo Doctor..I's got the Gawthrops!'' ;D
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Jan 23 2016, 11:42 PM
I was going down one of my 'Viking' lesser royal lines and came across the wife of one of them with a handle 'of Rome' attached to her, she also had a Roman type name, so out of curiosity I followed up her lineage trail, and firmly linked into two dynasties - the Flavius lot, and the Sabinius/Sabine shower - plus forays into other dynastic lines. I've done a lot, but there is a humungus amount left to do. It is a pity that the 'common folk' of old are a real sod to follow up, although I do have a few slave/concubine mothers within my Tree.

ps. HM Queenie does have connections with some of the Roman emperors, and hailing from Krautland she will be in and out related to some of my Scandinavian, Gallic, Vandal, Goth, Visigoth and Angle ancestry, especially the most villainous.
I do hope an internet "meet the ancestors" type business has not stung you for a large sum money for all this guff? ;D

Frankly the only way to even remotely prove any of this would be by a DNA analysis via the maternal line, and even then you'd need some DNA from those long dead Romans for confirmation!

Nothing wrong with being the product of a behind the bike shed romance!
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We have a few family skeletons in cupboards. I know my maternal Grandmother’s family were originally plantation owners on the West Indian island of Saint Vincent and as such they kept slaves. By my Grandmother’s account they also had a ship or ships and they would export goods from the West Indies to England and in my Grandmother’s very own words would then “pick up the black boys from Africa to work in the fields.”

From the West Indies they moved to London, where they were very posh and looked down on my Father’s family who they disparagingly referred to as “trade,” although his family’s trade had nothing to do with slavery.
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Steve K
Jan 23 2016, 01:25 PM
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Jan 23 2016, 01:19 PM
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Jan 23 2016, 12:46 PM

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Whaat?..to him personally??? :rubchin:
Well in the days before Jeremy Kyle DNA tests they did put it about a bit

what ? you mean that prima nocter stuff, ethnic cleansing (of the saxons) at its best.
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Jan 24 2016, 05:32 AM
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Jan 23 2016, 09:59 PM
We always derived some amusement that my mother's Cornish maiden name is also the family name of a Roman Emperor and his noble family.

Caligula and Incitatus?
Thickuth Dickuth
yes, the circumference of the member was always a wow for the ladies at the feast days ...

right then, now I've dragged the humour level down to the basement ...
Edited by johnofgwent, Jan 24 2016, 07:29 PM.
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I was going down one of my 'Viking' lesser royal lines and came across the wife of one of them with a handle 'of Rome' attached to her, she also had a Roman type name, so out of curiosity I followed up her lineage trail, and firmly linked into two dynasties - the Flavius lot, and the Sabinius/Sabine shower - plus forays into other dynastic lines. I've done a lot, but there is a humungus amount left to do. It is a pity that the 'common folk' of old are a real sod to follow up, although I do have a few slave/concubine mothers within my Tree.

ps. HM Queenie does have connections with some of the Roman emperors, and hailing from Krautland she will be in and out related to some of my Scandinavian, Gallic, Vandal, Goth, Visigoth and Angle ancestry, especially the most villainous.
I do hope an internet "meet the ancestors" type business has not stung you for a large sum money for all this guff? ;D

Frankly the only way to even remotely prove any of this would be by a DNA analysis via the maternal line, and even then you'd need some DNA from those long dead Romans for confirmation!

Nothing wrong with being the product of a behind the bike shed romance!
I have an 'ancestry' type account, but I am not reliant on the guff some members put up - particularly the Yanks. I use the Likes of public records, death certificates and Britannica and House of Commons and uni studies and records, and do a lot of cross referencing.

ps. The don't just concentrate on the paternal line, every now and then though, particular forays hit the buffers because of insufficient surviving records because the mother was a slave or concubine/mistress considered in history of lesser note. Royal bastards abound. Another thing I have picked up on are loops, where a branch off returns back to the original branch it 'sprang' from. The close use of the same names over several generations can also be a tease, as can the sloppy use of dates.
Edited by Oddball, Jan 25 2016, 04:57 AM.
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yes, the circumference of the member was always a wow for the ladies at the feast days ...

right then, now I've dragged the humour level down to the basement ...
I blame those codpieces... ;D
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marybrown - Henry VIII's armour sports some magnificent examples of male wishful thinking and bragging. I'd love to know what my ansectors armour sported. I do know that some did have armour, indeed a House of Commons record [they were also Members of Parliament], mentions one of them witnessing a younger brother being bequeathed a suit - I hope it fitted.
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Surprise surprise one ancestor was a Banker, in Lebanon, for a French Bank in the 1860s.
Another, pulled iron ingots into a steel mill in Shotton in 1880s and could not read or write.
Furthest back I can find, only from family documents is a great great grandmother born a Frauline Mueller in Wein who married a Triestino who went on to be an Engineer on Suez Canal Project.
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