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Corbyn FAILS to boost Labour's popularity, dire poll
Topic Started: Sep 19 2015, 10:47 PM (1,759 Views)
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Jeremy Corbyn FAILS to boost Labour's popularity, dire poll results reveal

JEREMY Corbyn winning the Labour leadership has done nothing for the party's popularity.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/606532/Jeremy-Corbyn-fails-boost-Labour-popularity-poll

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I personally believe this has more to do with most of Labour MPs rather than Corbyn. The moment he was selected as the Leader for Labour party, the attacks began. Clearly this was noticed by population, especially when a number stated they would defect to LibDems at one point if Corbyn did not comply with what they wanted him to do.

The Labour party is deeply divided, and Corbyn is backed into a corner. He very little support, and I seriously doubt he would be able to win any election the way things stand.
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Luckily the Express is not a biased paper that is both right wing and anti European.

They've had fuck all to print since Princess DI snuffed it.

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Which of the candidates could? At least, the very least, the Corbyn has done is to open a new political narrative.
Farage did it too and it has changed UK politics.
Corbyn may open up a new dialogue that challenges the Tory claim ( and NL) that we need to make the poor even poorer for us to get richer.
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Sep 19 2015, 10:56 PM
Luckily the Express is not a biased paper that is both right wing and anti European.

They've had fuck all to print since Princess DI snuffed it.

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The poll was conducted by ComRes not the Express.  ::)
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ComRes polls are notoriously volatile anyway.

And 27k new lab members Since Corb got elected? Lab membership at an all time high?

Hmm..
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Sep 19 2015, 11:00 PM
And 27k new lab members Since Corb got elected?

Hmm..
Yep, and that was based on how he presented himself in leadership campaign. Problem is, most of his own MPs don't want him for leader, and they made that point very clear.
Edited by Phoenix One UK, Sep 19 2015, 11:05 PM.
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Sep 19 2015, 10:56 PM
Luckily the Express is not a biased paper that is both right wing and anti European.

They've had fuck all to print since Princess DI snuffed it.

;-)

The poll was conducted by ComRes not the Express.  ::)
Yes I know and if you'd read it you'd have noticed Labour's popularity jumped by 1% and the Tories by 2%.

And it's early days, the Tories are building a debt fuelled time bomb economy because that is all they are capable of, it's highly likely that the next financial crisis will play right into Corbyns hands with told you so ringing in voters ears...........
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Sep 19 2015, 11:04 PM
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Sep 19 2015, 11:00 PM
And 27k new lab members Since Corb got elected?

Hmm..
Yep, and that was based on how he presented himself in leadership campaign. Problem is, most of his own MPs don't want him for leader, and they made that point very clear.
Then let them f- off to the LDs or Tories where they belong.

As t said a 1-2% change is bloody silly, not even worth reporting.

Beats the story about muslamics beating a baby dolphin to death with a koran though.
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Sep 19 2015, 11:04 PM
Yep, and that was based on how he presented himself in leadership campaign. Problem is, most of his own MPs don't want him for leader, and they made that point very clear.
Yes, and that's because middle class urban socialists who prefer a latte to a bacon sarnie can't quite get their heads around the fact that working people also want a voice, and before you say it UKIP's four million votes will now be a target for Corbyns party.
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And 27k new lab members Since Corb got elected?

Hmm..
Yep, and that was based on how he presented himself in leadership campaign. Problem is, most of his own MPs don't want him for leader, and they made that point very clear.


Most of his MPs will sit tight. Corbyn has the consent of the party members.
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Yep, and that was based on how he presented himself in leadership campaign. Problem is, most of his own MPs don't want him for leader, and they made that point very clear.
Yes, and that's because middle class urban socialists who prefer a latte to a bacon sarnie can't quite get their heads around the fact that working people also want a voice, and before you say it UKIP's four million votes will now be a target for Corbyns party.
I voted UKIP at EU and GE, but that does not make me anymore UKIP than Labour Councillor who voted UKIP at same EU election.  ::)
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Yep, and that was based on how he presented himself in leadership campaign. Problem is, most of his own MPs don't want him for leader, and they made that point very clear.
Yes, and that's because middle class urban socialists who prefer a latte to a bacon sarnie can't quite get their heads around the fact that working people also want a voice, and before you say it UKIP's four million votes will now be a target for Corbyns party.


They are there for the taking. Farage couldnt get an audience in a pub snug bar near Billericay at the moment.
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Sep 19 2015, 11:04 PM
Yep, and that was based on how he presented himself in leadership campaign. Problem is, most of his own MPs don't want him for leader, and they made that point very clear.
Yes, and that's because middle class urban socialists who prefer a latte to a bacon sarnie can't quite get their heads around the fact that working people also want a voice, and before you say it UKIP's four million votes will now be a target for Corbyns party.
I voted UKIP at EU and GE, but that does not make me anymore UKIP than Labour Councillor who voted UKIP at same EU election.  ::)
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Sep 19 2015, 11:11 PM
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Sep 19 2015, 11:04 PM
Yep, and that was based on how he presented himself in leadership campaign. Problem is, most of his own MPs don't want him for leader, and they made that point very clear.
Yes, and that's because middle class urban socialists who prefer a latte to a bacon sarnie can't quite get their heads around the fact that working people also want a voice, and before you say it UKIP's four million votes will now be a target for Corbyns party.


They are there for the taking. Farage couldnt get an audience in a pub snug bar near Billericay at the moment.
I did not raise UKIP or Farage in this debate. tigger and you did.

Like it or not, the Labour party are self destructing, and they need no help from me, the Tories, or even the press to do so. Note Labour MPs have been interviewed, and what they said supports my opinion.
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I voted UKIP at EU and GE, but that does not make me anymore UKIP than Labour Councillor who voted UKIP at same EU election.  ::)
No idea what you are on about, but your brief love affair with Labour seems to have turned sour since it became pro EU.

Hard not to laugh sometimes! ;D
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Sep 19 2015, 11:18 PM
Note Labour MPs have been interviewed, and what they said supports my opinion.
Some Labour MP's.

And do you have a problem with a party leader being democratically elected by it's members and with a vast majority? Or do you prefer to take heed of the minority who were soundly defeated?

And they are pro EU as well. ;-)
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They are there for the taking. Farage couldnt get an audience in a pub snug bar near Billericay at the moment.
I did not raise UKIP or Farage in this debate. tigger and you did.

Like it or not, the Labour party are self destructing, and they need no help from me, the Tories, or even the press to do so. Note Labour MPs have been interviewed, and what they said supports my opinion.


Actually tigger raised the possibility that Labour will target UKIP supporters and I raised the point that Farage is a non entity ( something I predicted and you said it wouldnt happen). Both are factors that and probably will help Corbyn.
The Labour party is changing and some dont like it..You and a few Labour MPs included.
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Sep 19 2015, 11:22 PM
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I did not raise UKIP or Farage in this debate. tigger and you did.

Like it or not, the Labour party are self destructing, and they need no help from me, the Tories, or even the press to do so. Note Labour MPs have been interviewed, and what they said supports my opinion.


Actually tigger raised the possibility that Labour will target UKIP supporters and I raised the point that Farage is a non entity ( something I predicted and you said it wouldnt happen). Both are factors that and probably will help Corbyn.
The Labour party is changing and some dont like it..You and a few Labour MPs included.
From what I am seeing, the Labour party will have trouble keeping those it has let alone taking votes from any other party. How do you think it went down when a number of Labour MPs stated they would defect to Lib Dems?
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Actually tigger raised the possibility that Labour will target UKIP supporters and I raised the point that Farage is a non entity ( something I predicted and you said it wouldnt happen). Both are factors that and probably will help Corbyn.
The Labour party is changing and some dont like it..You and a few Labour MPs included.
From what I am seeing, the Labour party will have trouble keeping those it has let alone taking votes from any other party. How do you think it went down when a number of Labour MPs stated they would defect to Lib Dems?


Who have stated that will will defect to the lib dems?
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From what I am seeing, the Labour party will have trouble keeping those it has let alone taking votes from any other party. How do you think it went down when a number of Labour MPs stated they would defect to Lib Dems?


Who have stated that will will defect to the lib dems?
Threat of defections for Corbyn as Labour MPs approach Lib Dems

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11870776/Jeremy-Corbyn-Labour-party-live.html

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From what I am seeing, the Labour party will have trouble keeping those it has let alone taking votes from any other party. How do you think it went down when a number of Labour MPs stated they would defect to Lib Dems?


Who have stated that will will defect to the lib dems?
Apparently (no names lol) "loads" of lab mps sobbed to Fareon after Corbs victory.

According to Cable they're going to defect en masse or some bollocks.

If true, good riddance, if not as I suspect, lol.
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Who have stated that will will defect to the lib dems?
Apparently (no names lol) "loads" of lab mps sobbed to Fareon after Corbs victory.

According to Cable they're going to defect en masse or some bollocks.

If true, good riddance, if not as I suspect, lol.
No denials from Labour party either.
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Who have stated that will will defect to the lib dems?
Threat of defections for Corbyn as Labour MPs approach Lib Dems

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11870776/Jeremy-Corbyn-Labour-party-live.html



So none so far then? ffs !===
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Apparently (no names lol) "loads" of lab mps sobbed to Fareon after Corbs victory.

According to Cable they're going to defect en masse or some bollocks.

If true, good riddance, if not as I suspect, lol.
No denials from Labour party either.


They dont need to. Links to the telegraph that only allege it and show no other evidence is enough !clp!
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He rarely has a real argument.

I want him to because it provides a challenging debate.
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And 27k new lab members Since Corb got elected?

Hmm..
Yep, and that was based on how he presented himself in leadership campaign. Problem is, most of his own MPs don't want him for leader, and they made that point very clear.


Most of his MPs will sit tight. Corbyn has the consent of the party members.
BIG DEAL.....does he have the confidence of the electorate behind him?
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No denials from Labour party either.


They dont need to. Links to the telegraph that only allege it and show no other evidence is enough !clp!
The Telegraph was not the only one reporting on it. Other national newspapers did as well, and then we have televised news from broadcasters , which incl;uded the BBC. Look it up.
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They dont need to. Links to the telegraph that only allege it and show no other evidence is enough !clp!
The Telegraph was not the only one reporting on it. Other national newspapers did as well, and then we have televised news from broadcasters , which incl;uded the BBC. Look it up.


You look it up. When you find some names then come back. Until then it is allegations and speculation.
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Most of his MPs will sit tight. Corbyn has the consent of the party members.
BIG DEAL.....does he have the confidence of the electorate behind him?


Why post BIG DEAL in capitals? Maybe you think it is a big deal...and you would be right.
Thats because it gives him a mandate to lead the Labour party ( I hope you are following) and make his case to the electorate.
Maybe the politics of fear that migrants, the unemployed and ISIS are going to steal our pensions is not the only case to be made. ;-)
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The Telegraph was not the only one reporting on it. Other national newspapers did as well, and then we have televised news from broadcasters , which incl;uded the BBC. Look it up.


You look it up. When you find some names then come back. Until then it is allegations and speculation.
No, I don't have to. While at it note there were also threats from two FRONT BENCH Labour MPrs stating they would quit if Corbyn supported Brexit.

Corbyn only possesses a few MPs supporting him, Most do not.
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You look it up. When you find some names then come back. Until then it is allegations and speculation.
No, I don't have to. While at it note there were also threats from two FRONT BENCH Labour MPrs stating they would quit if Corbyn supported Brexit.

Corbyn only possesses a few MPs supporting him, Most do not.


You do have to. Otherwise it is technically gossip.
While at it you can also note that Corbyn does not support Brexit and while you are doing that you can also note that Corbyn stated that he intends to lead an inclusive party and listen to all sides.
He is doing exactly that.
You simply do not know how many MPS support him or will support him.
You know little but tittle tattle and speculation.
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No, I don't have to. While at it note there were also threats from two FRONT BENCH Labour MPrs stating they would quit if Corbyn supported Brexit.

Corbyn only possesses a few MPs supporting him, Most do not.


You do have to. Otherwise it is technically gossip.
While at it you can also note that Corbyn does not support Brexit and while you are doing that you can also note that Corbyn stated that he intends to lead an inclusive party and listen to all sides.
He is doing exactly that.
You simply do not know how many MPS support him or will support him.
You know little but tittle tattle and speculation.
I believe you would find it very difficult to call what I stated as gossip given it was well document and reported.
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You do have to. Otherwise it is technically gossip.
While at it you can also note that Corbyn does not support Brexit and while you are doing that you can also note that Corbyn stated that he intends to lead an inclusive party and listen to all sides.
He is doing exactly that.
You simply do not know how many MPS support him or will support him.
You know little but tittle tattle and speculation.
I believe you would find it very difficult to call what I stated as gossip given it was well document and reported.


I believe that you have found it very difficult ( in fact impossible) to find one single example labour MPs intending to defect to the lib dems.
You can document and/or report tittle tattle , gossip and rumours so you effectively have nothing with substance.
What you DO have is evidence that Corbyn is striving to lead a consensual and inclusive Labour party. He said it and is now doing it.
As I said the weaker ones will sit tight . Some may defect, who knows? You certainly dont. ;D
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I believe you would find it very difficult to call what I stated as gossip given it was well document and reported.


I believe that you have found it very difficult ( in fact impossible) to find one single example labour MPs intending to defect to the lib dems.
You can document and/or report tittle tattle , gossip and rumours so you effectively have nothing with substance.
What you DO have is evidence that Corbyn is striving to lead a consensual and inclusive Labour party. He said it and is now doing it.
As I said the weaker ones will sit tight . Some may defect, who knows? You certainly dont. ;D
Spare me, I been debating for a long time, and know spin and baiting when I see it. All anyone has to do is surf the net to confirm what I said. My posts stand.
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I believe that you have found it very difficult ( in fact impossible) to find one single example labour MPs intending to defect to the lib dems.
You can document and/or report tittle tattle , gossip and rumours so you effectively have nothing with substance.
What you DO have is evidence that Corbyn is striving to lead a consensual and inclusive Labour party. He said it and is now doing it.
As I said the weaker ones will sit tight . Some may defect, who knows? You certainly dont. ;D
Spare me, I been debating for a long time, and know spin and baiting when I see it. All anyone has to do is surf the net to confirm what I said. My posts stand.


They stand as gossip and speculation. As said, you havent got a clue who may or may not be intending to leave. There is no confirmation to be had...just gossip.
What isnt gossip is that Corbyn is leading in the way he said he would.......inclusive and consensual....  !bgrin!
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Spare me, I been debating for a long time, and know spin and baiting when I see it. All anyone has to do is surf the net to confirm what I said. My posts stand.


They stand as gossip and speculation. As said, you havent got a clue who may or may not be intending to leave. There is no confirmation to be had...just gossip.
What isnt gossip is that Corbyn is leading in the way he said he would.......inclusive and consensual....  !bgrin!
I voiced my opinion on information available, and I will add to that opinion by stating I believe Labour will be toast at 2020 GE if it continues the way it is.
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Labour donor Assem Allam tells MPs to topple Jeremy Corbyn

Hull City FC owner says he will fund a "new look" Liberal party or a new grouping if MPs decide Labour is now "a dead horse" under Jeremy Corbyn

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11877103/Labour-donor-Assem-Allam-tells-MPs-to-topple-Jeremy-Corbyn.html

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For those who don't like the Telegraph just surf the net. The Telegrph is not only publication going with this.
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Yvette Cooper waiting in wings to take over as Labour leader if Jeremy Corbyn quits

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/yvette-cooper-waiting-wings-take-6475790

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This one come from the Mirror, a LABOUR paper.

So much for Labour's leadership campaign accepting whoever Labour members elect as Leader.  ::)
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Most of his MPs will sit tight. Corbyn has the consent of the party members.
BIG DEAL.....does he have the confidence of the electorate behind him?
I think it will head that way TBH. When the Tories have finished with those on the bottom rung of the social ladder, they will target the next rung up. A great many people will get a shock when they suddenly discover how far down the food chain they really are in a Tory world. Then, and only then will they question the Tory philosophy and we see what happens.
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A great many people will get a shock when they suddenly discover how far down the food chain they really are in a Tory world. Then, and only then will they question the Tory philosophy and we see what happens.
Tories are like Hell's Angels, they only represent 1%.
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