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Corbyn FAILS to boost Labour's popularity, dire poll
Topic Started: Sep 19 2015, 10:47 PM (1,764 Views)
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Jeremy Corbyn FAILS to boost Labour's popularity, dire poll results reveal

JEREMY Corbyn winning the Labour leadership has done nothing for the party's popularity.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/606532/Jeremy-Corbyn-fails-boost-Labour-popularity-poll

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I personally believe this has more to do with most of Labour MPs rather than Corbyn. The moment he was selected as the Leader for Labour party, the attacks began. Clearly this was noticed by population, especially when a number stated they would defect to LibDems at one point if Corbyn did not comply with what they wanted him to do.

The Labour party is deeply divided, and Corbyn is backed into a corner. He very little support, and I seriously doubt he would be able to win any election the way things stand.
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Sep 19 2015, 11:45 PM
No denials from Labour party either.
And hopefully none to come.
The expectation of a denial is actually part of the media circus that we have come to regard as normal, and Corbyn isn't going to play their games.

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A somewhat different analysis for the purpose of balance:-
based on:- http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-loses-fifth-of-labour-voters-with-critics-already-plotting-to-oust-him-10508584.html

https://alittleecon.wordpress.com/2015/09/19/corbyn-has-already-won-back-nearly-one-in-ten-2015-tory-voters/


Corbyn has already won back nearly one in ten 2015 Tory voters


A poll came out yesterday which was the basis for this story in the Independent “Jeremy Corbyn ‘loses fifth of Labour voters'”. The poll found that 20% of people who voted Labour in 2015 said they were less likely to vote Labour again with Corbyn as leader. So is it fair to say that a fifth of Labour voters have already abandoned the party? Of course not!

The question asked if they would be more or less likely to vote Labour with Corbyn as leader. If you say less though, it doesn’t mean you will change the way you vote, you could just have changed from ‘absolutely will vote for them’ to ‘almost certainly will vote for them’. If the Indy’s headline was fair, then so is mine because 8% of Conservative voters said Corbyn being leader made them more likely to vote Labour. I could also have made the title “Over a third of SNP voters now support Labour”, or “More than a quarter of remaining Lib Dems to vote Labour with Corbyn”. All bollocks of course, but no more so than the Indy’s headline.

The poll did ask one interesting question though. It asked if Labour under Corbyn was more or less electable. Even after the battering Corbyn has received this week, 41% said more. Still a long way to go, but not as apocalyptic as advertised.


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Sep 19 2015, 11:05 PM
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Sep 19 2015, 10:59 PM
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Sep 19 2015, 10:56 PM
Luckily the Express is not a biased paper that is both right wing and anti European.

They've had fuck all to print since Princess DI snuffed it.

;-)

The poll was conducted by ComRes not the Express.  ::)
Yes I know and if you'd read it you'd have noticed Labour's popularity jumped by 1% and the Tories by 2%.

And it's early days, the Tories are building a debt fuelled time bomb economy because that is all they are capable of, it's highly likely that the next financial crisis will play right into Corbyns hands with told you so ringing in voters ears...........
Yes the Tories did fail to include growth in their recovery plans and as usual they do, unlike NL, want to make the poor poorer so that they can become richer. I hope the electorate recognise this sooner rather than later so that the country can return to the centre-left policies that have the only chance of ridding us of this awful government
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Sep 19 2015, 11:54 PM
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Sep 19 2015, 11:09 PM

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BIG DEAL.....does he have the confidence of the electorate behind him?
I think it will head that way TBH. When the Tories have finished with those on the bottom rung of the social ladder, they will target the next rung up. A great many people will get a shock when they suddenly discover how far down the food chain they really are in a Tory world. Then, and only then will they question the Tory philosophy and we see what happens.
True the Tory cuts in tax credits haven't yet hit the 13 million who will be over a grand worse off, even with Giddies so-called living wage.

The Tories only care about the rich tax dodging crooks and bankers.
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Sep 19 2015, 10:56 PM
Luckily the Express is not a biased paper that is both right wing and anti European.

They've had fuck all to print since Princess DI snuffed it.

;-)

Newspapers don not have opinions , Their journalists, editors contributors and owners do, Just because they do not match your own feelings and opinions does not mean they are wrong. The left leaning newspapers do not get attacked in any thing like those who support parties more to the right.
Its not the newspapers that have the problem is it?
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I think it will head that way TBH. When the Tories have finished with those on the bottom rung of the social ladder, they will target the next rung up. A great many people will get a shock when they suddenly discover how far down the food chain they really are in a Tory world. Then, and only then will they question the Tory philosophy and we see what happens.
True the Tory cuts in tax credits haven't yet hit the 13 million who will be over a grand worse off, even with Giddies so-called living wage.

The Tories only care about the rich tax dodging crooks and bankers.
Bring the tax dodging crooks to the attention of the inland revenue, or even to the newspapers,,or your MP.
If you cannot identify them then your just sounding off without evidence. If you care to name them do so, but be very cautious for you might well be slandering innocent people.
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A great many people will get a shock when they suddenly discover how far down the food chain they really are in a Tory world. Then, and only then will they question the Tory philosophy and we see what happens.
Tories are like Hell's Angels, they only represent 1%.
Perhaps you would be so kind as to point out, that since the last general election, exactly which party represents what percentage? bearing in mind that most of the geography of the UK is blue.
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Sep 20 2015, 10:21 PM
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Sep 19 2015, 10:56 PM
Luckily the Express is not a biased paper that is both right wing and anti European.

They've had fuck all to print since Princess DI snuffed it.

;-)

Newspapers don not have opinions , Their journalists, editors contributors and owners do, Just because they do not match your own feelings and opinions does not mean they are wrong. The left leaning newspapers do not get attacked in any thing like those who support parties more to the right.
Its not the newspapers that have the problem is it?
Agreed. "owners do" :)

You do have a point though. Journos are journos, Mel Phil worked for the grauniad for a long time.

I had a loose acquaintance who was a journo who regularly switched sides and fluffed about opinions.

Best not trust journos of any persuasion too much.
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Sep 20 2015, 10:21 PM
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Sep 19 2015, 10:56 PM
Luckily the Express is not a biased paper that is both right wing and anti European.

They've had fuck all to print since Princess DI snuffed it.

;-)

Newspapers don not have opinions , Their journalists, editors contributors and owners do, Just because they do not match your own feelings and opinions does not mean they are wrong. The left leaning newspapers do not get attacked in any thing like those who support parties more to the right.
Its not the newspapers that have the problem is it?
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Newspapers don not have opinions , Their journalists, editors contributors and owners do,


That statement is quite beyond me. I've read it several times just to make sure I'm not missing something, but if it is supposed to make sense, it eludes me I'm afraid.
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Sep 20 2015, 10:51 PM
Perhaps you would be so kind as to point out, that since the last general election, exactly which party represents what percentage? bearing in mind that most of the geography of the UK is blue.
That people have been fooled into voting Tory because they don't realise the Tory policies could hit them hard next does not surprise me.
It is obvious that even on this forum many people are blissfully unaware of what the Tories have brought into law and policy.
If the media/press don't report it, they will remain in ignorance.
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Sep 21 2015, 08:32 AM
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Sep 20 2015, 10:51 PM
Perhaps you would be so kind as to point out, that since the last general election, exactly which party represents what percentage? bearing in mind that most of the geography of the UK is blue.
That people have been fooled into voting Tory because they don't realise the Tory policies could hit them hard next does not surprise me.
It is obvious that even on this forum many people are blissfully unaware of what the Tories have brought into law and policy.
If the media/press don't report it, they will remain in ignorance.
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Sep 20 2015, 10:51 PM
Perhaps you would be so kind as to point out, that since the last general election, exactly which party represents what percentage? bearing in mind that most of the geography of the UK is blue.
That people have been fooled into voting Tory because they don't realise the Tory policies could hit them hard next does not surprise me.
It is obvious that even on this forum many people are blissfully unaware of what the Tories have brought into law and policy.
If the media/press don't report it, they will remain in ignorance.
Thank you Papa for your opinion, now please, answer my question.
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Rich,

bearing in mind that most of the geography of the UK is blue.
Yes, proof of the levels of greed, self interest, fear (?), up yours Jack I'm OK and callousness that exists in the country. Aided and abetted by the Media / press. And helped by the poorness of the opposition, other than by NL (No wonder so much effort has gone into undermining NL.) ;D

Whatever happened to the one country thoughts and feelings that followed WW2 ?
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Sep 22 2015, 12:06 AM
Thank you Papa for your opinion, now please, answer my question.
As far as I am aware the Tories are in power on the votes of just 25% of the electorate.
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Sep 22 2015, 12:06 AM
Thank you Papa for your opinion, now please, answer my question.
As far as I am aware the Tories are in power on the votes of just 25% of the electorate.
And the left+far left are not in power on the votes of even less
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Sep 22 2015, 09:18 AM
And the left+far left are not in power on the votes of even less
The point is the Tories do not have a mandate to carry out the attack on people rights that they are engaged in and neither to they have a mandate to attack the poor and disadvantaged in the way they are, especially when it is killing people:-

Just a sample:-

https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/OSullivan-2014-0012.pdf
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Corbyn will be to the Labour Party what the iceberg was to the Titanic. I note Zeta Boards haven't kept their spell check up to date with U.K. politics and have failed to include the name of the leader of the main opposition party. Wakey wakey Zeta Boards.
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Corbyn will be to the Labour Party what the iceberg was to the Titanic. I note Zeta Boards haven't kept their spell check up to date with U.K. politics and have failed to include the name of the leader of the main opposition party. Wakey wakey Zeta Boards.


Thats just a Tory wet dream and not what is likely to happen. Corbyn will be scrutinised by his party very carefully in the next couple of years and if he fails to make an impression with the UK public they will oust him.
If he does make an impression then all sides will see that the public is favourable of the Corbyn narrative and the Labour party will start to go left(ish) while the Tory media will roll out propaganda claiming that they are really the party of common man and Labour is the party of Maoist , Trotskyite , Leninist, etc etc who will take away your house and put you in a gulag.
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Corbyn will be to the Labour Party what the iceberg was to the Titanic. I note Zeta Boards haven't kept their spell check up to date with U.K. politics and have failed to include the name of the leader of the main opposition party. Wakey wakey Zeta Boards.
Yes good point, I've not been able to understand any of the posts with the word Corbyn in them.

:'(
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A very big hill to climb and so few climbing skills on offer. I suspect that Comrade Corbyn is going to have a very tough time proving he is not a Trotsky Tosser.
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The press have done a good job on him so far, what do you think will happen when the wheels come off the debt fuelled economy and the plebs realised they've been had once again by the nasty party? The media have played out the rise, reign and fall of Corbyn in one week!

Remember, a week is a long time in politics! ;-)
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The press have done a good job on him so far, what do you think will happen when the wheels come off the debt fuelled economy and the plebs realised they've been had once again by the nasty party? The media have played out the rise, reign and fall of Corbyn in one week!

Remember, a week is a long time in politics! ;-)
The British love an underdog, never forget. :P
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The press have done a good job on him so far, what do you think will happen when the wheels come off the debt fuelled economy and the plebs realised they've been had once again by the nasty party? The media have played out the rise, reign and fall of Corbyn in one week!

Remember, a week is a long time in politics! ;-)
It is, but I will leave the dreams of revolution, chaos and anarchy to Dreamers like your good self.
My point is that Comrade Corbyn has an Everest to climb and he has no obvious climbing skills, so I suppose that leaves his supporters dreaming of some external catastrophic even that will stimulate the populous to shout in unison "Jeramy please help us you are the chosen one". I think that scenario unlikely.

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It is, but I will leave the dreams of revolution, chaos and anarchy to Dreamers like your good self.
My point is that Comrade Corbyn has an Everest to climb and he has no obvious climbing skills, so I suppose that leaves his supporters dreaming of some external catastrophic even that will stimulate the populous to shout in unison "Jeramy please help us you are the chosen one". I think that scenario unlikely.

Wait and see, the hysteria in the right wing press has been something to cherish, it's not like they give a toss about Britain or it's people it's more to do with the fact that Corbyn has THEM in his sights, all it will take is another financial crisis and the usual mass self pity and suddenly Corbyn will look very respectable............
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It is, but I will leave the dreams of revolution, chaos and anarchy to Dreamers like your good self.
My point is that Comrade Corbyn has an Everest to climb and he has no obvious climbing skills, so I suppose that leaves his supporters dreaming of some external catastrophic even that will stimulate the populous to shout in unison "Jeramy please help us you are the chosen one". I think that scenario unlikely.

Wait and see, the hysteria in the right wing press has been something to cherish, it's not like they give a toss about Britain or it's people it's more to do with the fact that Corbyn has THEM in his sights, all it will take is another financial crisis and the usual mass self pity and suddenly Corbyn will look very respectable............
Why should I wait to see if your dreams come true? I prefer what works, here and now. Me thinks it is the likes of yourself who do not give a toss for the UK, especially the English, as you are constantly deriding them and wishing them harm.


Yes we will see financial crises in the future, but it is a good job that we now have a Gov. that has instituted reforms to protect us and seeks to reduce the risks caused by massive public sector debts. It is a pity they don't get on with that job and ignore those, such as your good self, who screamed for the opposite course of action. There really is something very hypocritical of people like you shouting against cuts in public spending then accusing the Gov. of increasing debts.

As for fuelling house prices, then it is good to see the Gov. are listening and are about to water down their initiatives. Pity Gordon Brown had cloth ears.

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A great many people will get a shock when they suddenly discover how far down the food chain they really are in a Tory world. Then, and only then will they question the Tory philosophy and we see what happens.
Tories are like Hell's Angels, they only represent 1%.
Perhaps you would be so kind as to point out, that since the last general election, exactly which party represents what percentage? bearing in mind that most of the geography of the UK is blue.
They don't seem to understand that the government is elected constituency by constituency, and the Conservative party won more constituencies than any other party, with an overall majority. Ignore the claims of only 25% support., they won over 50% of the constituencies, and have over 50% of the parliamentary seats.
For all the whinging and gnashing of teeth, or claims of unfairness , that was the system agreed to by all parties before the election, and that is what we have now, and will , no doubt be the one at the next GE.
If Labour win. all the complaints from our socialist friends will stop, and they will then praise the system.
Remember, only another 4 1/2 years to go.
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The press have done a good job on him so far, what do you think will happen when the wheels come off the debt fuelled economy and the plebs realised they've been had once again by the nasty party? The media have played out the rise, reign and fall of Corbyn in one week!

Remember, a week is a long time in politics! ;-)
The British love an underdog, never forget. :P
They put down out of kindness those that are crippled or suffering a terminal disease, to put them out of their misery ,just as they did Milliband.
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Corbyn is a bogeyman to the weak minded and greedy. He represents something that used to enthuse the working class but they seemed to have been brainwashed into believing their exploitation is inevitable and anyone who says otherwise is a charlatan or worse.
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I suspect that Comrade Corbyn is going to have a very tough time proving he is not a Trotsky Tosser.
Difficult choice a dead pigs head shagging dope smoker, or someone YOU think is a Trotsky Tosser.


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I suspect that Comrade Corbyn is going to have a very tough time proving he is not a Trotsky Tosser.
Difficult choice a dead pigs head shagging dope smoker, or someone YOU think is a Trotsky Tosser.




He has already proven that he is not a Trotsky because he is embracing all sides of the party and does not have a dictatorial leadership.
But still the same old shite will spill out of the same old keyboards with the same old Kool aid and the same people will swallow it.
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I suspect that Comrade Corbyn is going to have a very tough time proving he is not a Trotsky Tosser.
Difficult choice a dead pigs head shagging dope smoker, or someone YOU think is a Trotsky Tosser.




He has already proven that he is not a Trotsky because he is embracing all sides of the party and does not have a dictatorial leadership.
But still the same old shite will spill out of the same old keyboards with the same old Kool aid and the same people will swallow it.
He's an anarcho veganorganico trotskyite menace to the (teeth)chattering classes.
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I'd have to agree with Gansao on this one. For all the media frothing, the only sources are people with a political agenda (senior members of the Lib Dem party, disgruntled labour backbenchers et al).

There are no quotes - even anonymously - from a "primary source" - e.g. a current Labour MP stating that he/she intends to defect.

That doesn't mean that the rumour isn't true. It DOES, however, mean that the story is just that... an unsubstantiated rumour. It is - as Gansao pointed out - gossip.

And for that matter - no defectors. (yet).
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He has already proven that he is not a Trotsky because he is embracing all sides of the party and does not have a dictatorial leadership.
But still the same old shite will spill out of the same old keyboards with the same old Kool aid and the same people will swallow it.
He's an anarcho veganorganico trotskyite menace to the (teeth)chattering classes.


Try saying that after 4 pints of Stella. :nono:
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He's an anarcho veganorganico trotskyite menace to the (teeth)chattering classes.


Try saying that after 4 pints of Stella. :nono:
And while waving the flag..maybe that's the entry test for ukippers?
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I'd have to agree with Gansao on this one. For all the media frothing, the only sources are people with a political agenda (senior members of the Lib Dem party, disgruntled labour backbenchers et al).

There are no quotes - even anonymously - from a "primary source" - e.g. a current Labour MP stating that he/she intends to defect.

That doesn't mean that the rumour isn't true. It DOES, however, mean that the story is just that... an unsubstantiated rumour. It is - as Gansao pointed out - gossip.

And for that matter - no defectors. (yet).


Indeed. I think Mandelson said something in the vein of ' lets not get rid of him yet'.
TBH I doubt that an unreconstructed Corbyn would be an asset to the UK but a left winger as the first among equals in a mixed cabinet could possibly make an excellent government..possibly.
Also its my belief that the longer the Corbyn narrative is in the public domain the more likely the public will warm to some elements of it...so maybe even if Corbyn is booted out some it may remain.
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Try saying that after 4 pints of Stella. :nono:
And while waving the flag..maybe that's the entry test for ukippers?


Mmm UKIP .I think the party may be over soon for our version of the US 'Tea party'.
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Hannan tried to start a UK tea party movement, it had great success actually.

All 15 of them did anyway. They had great success politely sipping tea and discussing why migrants are a bane on them personally.
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Hannan tried to start a UK tea party movement, it had great success actually.

All 15 of them did anyway. They had great success politely sipping tea and discussing why migrants are a bane on them personally.


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I suspect that Comrade Corbyn is going to have a very tough time proving he is not a Trotsky Tosser.
Difficult choice a dead pigs head shagging dope smoker, or someone YOU think is a Trotsky Tosser.


Not really as yet we are to see proof of the pigs head and dope smoking, not only that Joe Public does not appear to give a shit where Cameron sticks his genitalia, but they are very reluctant to trust a committed Trotskyite. I think Joe Public wish to protect their jobs as best they can and see Comrade Corbyn as a 1970s styled far left loon who is more likely to reek havoc.

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