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| Corbyn FAILS to boost Labour's popularity, dire poll | |
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| Topic Started: Sep 19 2015, 10:47 PM (1,763 Views) | |
| Phoenix One UK | Sep 19 2015, 10:47 PM Post #1 |
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Jeremy Corbyn FAILS to boost Labour's popularity, dire poll results reveal JEREMY Corbyn winning the Labour leadership has done nothing for the party's popularity. http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/606532/Jeremy-Corbyn-fails-boost-Labour-popularity-poll Unquote:===================== I personally believe this has more to do with most of Labour MPs rather than Corbyn. The moment he was selected as the Leader for Labour party, the attacks began. Clearly this was noticed by population, especially when a number stated they would defect to LibDems at one point if Corbyn did not comply with what they wanted him to do. The Labour party is deeply divided, and Corbyn is backed into a corner. He very little support, and I seriously doubt he would be able to win any election the way things stand. |
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| RJD | Sep 25 2015, 03:10 PM Post #81 |
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Their day is done the next day after the EU referendum, unless of course if Cameron seeks to sell us a pup and Joe Voter sees it is one. If Cameron does not get sufficient control over UK borders then I suspect he will be toast. |
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| marybrown | Sep 25 2015, 03:13 PM Post #82 |
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Come on PS..he's screwed Dianne Abbott..Ewww.. Get a grip man.. Edited by marybrown, Sep 25 2015, 03:13 PM.
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| Deleted User | Sep 25 2015, 03:15 PM Post #83 |
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Yup UKIP has always been a one trick pony posing as the real voice of the UK. Personally I dont think that there will be a Brexit even if people are dissatisfied with what Cameron gets from the EU and any no vote will be seen as a victory even if it paper thin. IMO the pro Brexits are far more vocal than numerous. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 25 2015, 03:18 PM Post #84 |
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You don't have to look at the mantelpiece while your'e poking the fire. |
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| marybrown | Sep 25 2015, 03:27 PM Post #85 |
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Bit sexist Gansao.. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 25 2015, 03:30 PM Post #86 |
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On the contrary. You are the one deeming another woman whereas I am pointing out that one can ignore her imperfections while enjoying her company.
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| RJD | Sep 25 2015, 03:35 PM Post #87 |
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I am not confident that the EU-philes will argue their corner. The arrogantly believe the case 'for' the EU is obvious when it is not. I would not be shocked to see ~55% say "out" if Cameron attempts to sell us Moonshine. |
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| RJD | Sep 25 2015, 03:39 PM Post #88 |
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So what? In those days she was a rather handsome woman. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and it is worth remembering that Tony Blair actually inseminated Cherry Booth and one must assume that he was stimulated in some way to do so. I cannot see why myself, but that is a matter of taste. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 25 2015, 03:42 PM Post #89 |
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I am not confident that the pro Brexit are either the majority or can persuade the majority to vote yes. I expect it to be the same as the Scottish referendum. Lots of heat , little light and a vote for the status quo. |
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| papasmurf | Sep 25 2015, 04:05 PM Post #90 |
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This member of Joe Public does. |
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| marybrown | Sep 25 2015, 04:11 PM Post #91 |
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Would that be as long as she keeps her mouth shut? |
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| Deleted User | Sep 25 2015, 04:12 PM Post #92 |
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If this was some sort of initiation then this one does too. I reckon these initiations are devices that bound the newby to the society they join. Thats not good for a future PM. |
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| C-too | Sep 25 2015, 04:18 PM Post #93 |
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The Tories had their own home made financial crisis plus a big housing bust in the early 1990s, and guess what ---- yes, THEY STILL GOT REELECTED ----. Left-wingers have a bad track record over a long period of time, for reading the political winds. They seem to think well, that's wrong, and that's wrong etc. therefore we must be right. And that means we will get elected.
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| Affa | Sep 25 2015, 05:17 PM Post #94 |
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He doesn't have to climb, nor I suspect 'under mine' ...... the walls before him will collapse and he will step into the debris carrying the flag of 'I told you so'. |
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| Lewis | Sep 25 2015, 06:25 PM Post #95 |
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Well one of my former colleagues was at Oxford at the same time as our dead pig shagging, drug taking PM was. So saw first hand what the Bullington boys got up to, that is when they weren't smashing up restaurants and causing mayhem. Well this sordid little episode doesn't even stir the tea so to speak. Funny how the rich little boys (twats) can always get away scot free with downright criminality! |
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| papasmurf | Sep 25 2015, 06:34 PM Post #96 |
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Why, the pigs head shagging and dope smoking is just the tip of the iceberg. |
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| Rich | Sep 25 2015, 07:00 PM Post #97 |
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Could it be that their lifes have been undermined, their national characters diluted, their NHS bursting at the seams, the infrastructure creaking at the seams and all caused by the very party that claimed to represent them..........yes, multiculturalism has certainly enriched this country hasn't it? |
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| Deleted User | Sep 25 2015, 07:19 PM Post #98 |
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How so? At best the Tories have colluded in 'multiculturalism', it was them who benefitted most from cheap labour after all. The NHS is bursting at the seams? Why because of all the non contributing immigrants or just under funding? Or poor administration perhaps? You seem to be confusing New Labour with a party who could give a hoot for the people it represents The Corbyn narrative includes investing in our infrastructure by a peoples QE and re nationalising the railways. Now you can criticise that on a fiscal level but not on a political one. |
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| Lewis | Sep 25 2015, 07:19 PM Post #99 |
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Well its certainly expanded under the Tory misrule. More now entering the country than ever at least according to the latest immigration figures. https://fullfact.org/factcheck/immigration/how_many_migrants_come_to_europe_uk_one_million-48273
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| Tigger | Sep 25 2015, 07:34 PM Post #100 |
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What a load of bollocks, are you blind to what is going on? ![]() It is not public sector debt that is the problem, it is the national debt and the fact that money printing is building up the mother of all debt overhangs, we are per capita one of the most indebted nations on earth, and far worse than many of those countries you casually chuck the phrase basket case at, wake up man! And a government that will protect us, jeeze............. It's the primary cause you dolt!
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| Tigger | Sep 25 2015, 07:37 PM Post #101 |
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Put that kettle on luv.
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| Tigger | Sep 25 2015, 07:38 PM Post #102 |
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I didn't know Cameron stuck a lettuce up his arse as well!
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| papasmurf | Sep 25 2015, 07:45 PM Post #103 |
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Quite frankly NOTHING would surprise me about some of the people on the Tory front bench. |
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| Rich | Sep 26 2015, 01:52 AM Post #104 |
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Perhaps you would be so kind as to find a "loophole" whereby this or any other government can find a way to counter the Rules of the EU and countermand the Lisbon treaty that Gordy so famously signed us up to even though we are not signed up to the Schengen agreement, once a person has EU status then there is SFA we can do to stop them and that is only the "legal" ones. |
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| C-too | Sep 26 2015, 07:25 AM Post #105 |
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As I understand it the UK, since it joined the EU, has been obliged to allow people from other EU countries to enter the UK, so that would be long before the 'open borders policy --- Schengen agreement' was introduced and long before NL took office. |
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| disgruntled porker | Sep 26 2015, 07:29 AM Post #106 |
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It's always the public sector with you isn't it? Well I've got news for you; the public sector didn't place us up to our necks in shit, it was the greedy, dishonourable, private financial sector. To claim anything different is to speak absolute ballbaggery. |
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| RJD | Sep 26 2015, 07:52 AM Post #107 |
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Fortunately for us you only have one vote. |
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| RJD | Sep 26 2015, 07:55 AM Post #108 |
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So what? Surely you are not arguing that faults with the Public Sector must be tolerated just because some Banker rolled the lot on black? Or are you? |
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| disgruntled porker | Sep 26 2015, 08:19 AM Post #109 |
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Older than most people think I am.
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"So what"? Poor attitude to say the least. Of course I don't think that the public sector should not be trimmed down where it's needed. It's the wholesale destruction and uneccessary vindictive callousness which is questionable. It's just that you lay the blame squarely on the public sector. Or that seems to be the gist of it. You harp on about it constantly, with very few references to the private sector ballsing it up. You seem to dismiss the finacial sectors folly with "just because some Banker rolled the lot on black?" You treat it as if it was merely unfortunate. As it turned out, it wasn't too unfortunate for the finacial sector, nor the boys at the head of the table. The poor buggers at the bottom of the pile copped for it though. Of course, they are a sub-human lot anyway and count for nothing do they? You seem to think that we should all adopt an Enid Blyton style of Englishness, cheer the poor bankers on just because they made a mistake and toast their efforts with a nice glass of homemade lemonade. "Hurrah for the bankers, lets give them a hand, it was just a bit of bad luck afterall". Edited by disgruntled porker, Sep 26 2015, 08:31 AM.
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| Affa | Sep 26 2015, 09:52 AM Post #110 |
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Since 1992 and the Maastricht agreement! |
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| Steve K | Sep 26 2015, 04:03 PM Post #111 |
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Yes it certainly was not Lisbon The treaty basis is the Treaty of Rome which certainly does not give unilateral freedom of movement. There have been umpteen rulings since that treaty and the clean up document that effectively defines the law is the The 2004 EU Directive and while that extends the treaty basis (for example to those looking for work) it has the paragraph 10 and 16 abilities to call time after 3 months. The directive is not a treaty and can be changed without unanimity. But in any event France has regularly used those paragraphs to expel those who became a burden. So should we. (but we digress) |
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| skwirked | Sep 26 2015, 04:17 PM Post #112 |
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Hard to argue with all that. Other than..well (yes my bleeding heart liberal teddy is absolutely soaked) that's a top sentiment. Let employers undercut indigenous workers whilst simultaneously exploiting the migrants, then f them off. I'm sure that's pretty much exactly what the EU want to do anyway, they're probably working out how to do it while minimizing: Bad publicity HR lawyers' lawsuits on behalf of migrants and maybe countries(?) |
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| Deleted User | Sep 26 2015, 04:17 PM Post #113 |
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You miss my point entirely. No1 was that the Tories benefit from cheap labour more than most and colluded in ' multiculturalism' yet somehow Corbyn seems to be in the frame for it. No2 was that are you really sure that the NHS is bursting at the seams because of non tax paying immigrants and not underfunding or poor admin? No3 was that the Corbyn narrative inclides MORE housing, More investing in the 'creaking' infrastructure and renationalising of the railways. You ignore all three and go back to expressing your fear of migrants . Personally I am impressed with the way the government and media have deflected criticism of their actions and apportioning it at migrants. So many have swallowed it. |
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| Tytoalba | Sep 26 2015, 05:15 PM Post #114 |
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Would that be the Red flag, with the hammer and sickle on it? |
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| Affa | Sep 26 2015, 05:42 PM Post #115 |
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Don't you think it's time you Tories found some different 'scares' with which to mask your failings behind? We've had 'it's the Unions fault' war, you won. We've had the 'Labour are Communists' debacle, you lost, and you've gone full circle on the EU is bad, EU is good argument too many times. Not even the Russians are true communists anymore, so do join us in the 21st century. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 26 2015, 05:46 PM Post #116 |
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Seconded. It made me cringe .
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| Lewis | Sep 26 2015, 06:05 PM Post #117 |
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Couldn't agree more. You get fed up with the same old fairy tales being repeated time and time over. The right wing Tories that go on this site are much the same. It get boring to read the same old lies and propaganda repeated continuously. Mind you, not all unoriginal, the newest lie was the one about Labour joining up with the SNP. The Tory propagandists really got the dimwits to vote for their failed old party in May. |
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| Rich | Sep 27 2015, 03:10 PM Post #118 |
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I stand corrected and duly retract my comment regarding Gordy and the Lisbon treaty. |
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| Jessamy Bride | Sep 27 2015, 03:40 PM Post #119 |
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I know people don't like austerity (who does ) but I'm waiting to see how he is going to get the money in to pay down the deficit. If that involves more borrowing....forget it. We have all suffered quite a bit already and don't want the deficit higher. The only other thing is taxes. Vince cable pursued tax dodgers for years....why are the now going to start paying? Inheritance tax isn't going to be enough...nor is 50p So where is the money coming from which doesn't effect business or enterprise? Still keeping an open mind at the moment and will have to see how all this "debating" for policy in the Labour party is going to work. Still a bit annoyed that the best people in the party seem to be hiding in the wings...... when a good workable opposition should be forming. |
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| papasmurf | Sep 27 2015, 03:42 PM Post #120 |
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Austerity isn't paying down the deficit. |
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