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Corbyn FAILS to boost Labour's popularity, dire poll
Topic Started: Sep 19 2015, 10:47 PM (1,763 Views)
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Jeremy Corbyn FAILS to boost Labour's popularity, dire poll results reveal

JEREMY Corbyn winning the Labour leadership has done nothing for the party's popularity.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/606532/Jeremy-Corbyn-fails-boost-Labour-popularity-poll

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I personally believe this has more to do with most of Labour MPs rather than Corbyn. The moment he was selected as the Leader for Labour party, the attacks began. Clearly this was noticed by population, especially when a number stated they would defect to LibDems at one point if Corbyn did not comply with what they wanted him to do.

The Labour party is deeply divided, and Corbyn is backed into a corner. He very little support, and I seriously doubt he would be able to win any election the way things stand.
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And while waving the flag..maybe that's the entry test for ukippers?


Mmm UKIP .I think the party may be over soon for our version of the US 'Tea party'.
Their day is done the next day after the EU referendum, unless of course if Cameron seeks to sell us a pup and Joe Voter sees it is one. If Cameron does not get sufficient control over UK borders then I suspect he will be toast.
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I suspect that Comrade Corbyn is going to have a very tough time proving he is not a Trotsky Tosser.
Difficult choice a dead pigs head shagging dope smoker, or someone YOU think is a Trotsky Tosser.


Come on PS..he's screwed Dianne Abbott..Ewww..

Get a grip man..
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Mmm UKIP .I think the party may be over soon for our version of the US 'Tea party'.
Their day is done the next day after the EU referendum, unless of course if Cameron seeks to sell us a pup and Joe Voter sees it is one. If Cameron does not get sufficient control over UK borders then I suspect he will be toast.


Yup UKIP has always been a one trick pony posing as the real voice of the UK.
Personally I dont think that there will be a Brexit even if people are dissatisfied with what Cameron gets from the EU and any no vote will be seen as a victory even if it paper thin. IMO the pro Brexits are far more vocal than numerous.
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I suspect that Comrade Corbyn is going to have a very tough time proving he is not a Trotsky Tosser.
Difficult choice a dead pigs head shagging dope smoker, or someone YOU think is a Trotsky Tosser.


Come on PS..he's screwed Dianne Abbott..Ewww..

Get a grip man..


You don't have to look at the mantelpiece while your'e poking the fire.
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Come on PS..he's screwed Dianne Abbott..Ewww..

Get a grip man..


You don't have to look at the mantelpiece while your'e poking the fire.
Bit sexist Gansao.. :rubchin:

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You don't have to look at the mantelpiece while your'e poking the fire.
Bit sexist Gansao.. :rubchin:



On the contrary. You are the one deeming another woman whereas I am pointing out that one can ignore her imperfections while enjoying her company. :thumbsup:
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Their day is done the next day after the EU referendum, unless of course if Cameron seeks to sell us a pup and Joe Voter sees it is one. If Cameron does not get sufficient control over UK borders then I suspect he will be toast.


Yup UKIP has always been a one trick pony posing as the real voice of the UK.
Personally I dont think that there will be a Brexit even if people are dissatisfied with what Cameron gets from the EU and any no vote will be seen as a victory even if it paper thin. IMO the pro Brexits are far more vocal than numerous.
I am not confident that the EU-philes will argue their corner. The arrogantly believe the case 'for' the EU is obvious when it is not. I would not be shocked to see ~55% say "out" if Cameron attempts to sell us Moonshine.

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I suspect that Comrade Corbyn is going to have a very tough time proving he is not a Trotsky Tosser.
Difficult choice a dead pigs head shagging dope smoker, or someone YOU think is a Trotsky Tosser.


Come on PS..he's screwed Dianne Abbott..Ewww..

Get a grip man..
So what? In those days she was a rather handsome woman. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and it is worth remembering that Tony Blair actually inseminated Cherry Booth and one must assume that he was stimulated in some way to do so. I cannot see why myself, but that is a matter of taste.



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Yup UKIP has always been a one trick pony posing as the real voice of the UK.
Personally I dont think that there will be a Brexit even if people are dissatisfied with what Cameron gets from the EU and any no vote will be seen as a victory even if it paper thin. IMO the pro Brexits are far more vocal than numerous.
I am not confident that the EU-philes will argue their corner. The arrogantly believe the case 'for' the EU is obvious when it is not. I would not be shocked to see ~55% say "out" if Cameron attempts to sell us Moonshine.



I am not confident that the pro Brexit are either the majority or can persuade the majority to vote yes.
I expect it to be the same as the Scottish referendum. Lots of heat , little light and a vote for the status quo.
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Joe Public does not appear to give a shit where Cameron sticks his genitalia,
This member of Joe Public does.
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Bit sexist Gansao.. :rubchin:



On the contrary. You are the one deeming another woman whereas I am pointing out that one can ignore her imperfections while enjoying her company. :thumbsup:
Would that be as long as she keeps her mouth shut?
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Joe Public does not appear to give a shit where Cameron sticks his genitalia,
This member of Joe Public does.


If this was some sort of initiation then this one does too.
I reckon these initiations are devices that bound the newby to the society they join. Thats not good for a future PM.
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It is, but I will leave the dreams of revolution, chaos and anarchy to Dreamers like your good self.
My point is that Comrade Corbyn has an Everest to climb and he has no obvious climbing skills, so I suppose that leaves his supporters dreaming of some external catastrophic even that will stimulate the populous to shout in unison "Jeramy please help us you are the chosen one". I think that scenario unlikely.

Wait and see, the hysteria in the right wing press has been something to cherish, it's not like they give a toss about Britain or it's people it's more to do with the fact that Corbyn has THEM in his sights, all it will take is another financial crisis and the usual mass self pity and suddenly Corbyn will look very respectable............
The Tories had their own home made financial crisis plus a big housing bust in the early 1990s, and guess what ---- yes, THEY STILL GOT REELECTED ----. :facepalm:

Left-wingers have a bad track record over a long period of time, for reading the political winds. They seem to think well, that's wrong, and that's wrong etc. therefore we must be right. And that means we will get elected. :nono:
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A very big hill to climb and so few climbing skills on offer. I suspect that Comrade Corbyn is going to have a very tough time proving he is not a Trotsky Tosser.

He doesn't have to climb, nor I suspect 'under mine' ...... the walls before him will collapse and he will step into the debris carrying the flag of 'I told you so'.
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I suspect that Comrade Corbyn is going to have a very tough time proving he is not a Trotsky Tosser.
Difficult choice a dead pigs head shagging dope smoker, or someone YOU think is a Trotsky Tosser.


Well one of my former colleagues was at Oxford at the same time as our dead pig shagging, drug taking PM was. So saw first hand what the Bullington boys got up to, that is when they weren't smashing up restaurants and causing mayhem. Well this sordid little episode doesn't even stir the tea so to speak. Funny how the rich little boys (twats) can always get away scot free with downright criminality!
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Well this sordid little episode doesn't even stir the tea so to speak.
Why, the pigs head shagging and dope smoking is just the tip of the iceberg.
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Corbyn is a bogeyman to the weak minded and greedy. He represents something that used to enthuse the working class but they seemed to have been brainwashed into believing their exploitation is inevitable and anyone who says otherwise is a charlatan or worse.
Could it be that their lifes have been undermined, their national characters diluted, their NHS bursting at the seams, the infrastructure creaking at the seams and all caused by the very party that claimed to represent them..........yes, multiculturalism has certainly enriched this country hasn't it?
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Corbyn is a bogeyman to the weak minded and greedy. He represents something that used to enthuse the working class but they seemed to have been brainwashed into believing their exploitation is inevitable and anyone who says otherwise is a charlatan or worse.
Could it be that their lifes have been undermined, their national characters diluted, their NHS bursting at the seams, the infrastructure creaking at the seams and all caused by the very party that claimed to represent them..........yes, multiculturalism has certainly enriched this country hasn't it?


How so? At best the Tories have colluded in 'multiculturalism', it was them who benefitted most from cheap labour after all.
The NHS is bursting at the seams? Why because of all the non contributing immigrants or just under funding? Or poor administration perhaps?
You seem to be confusing New Labour with a party who could give a hoot for the people it represents
The Corbyn narrative includes investing in our infrastructure by a peoples QE and re nationalising the railways. Now you can criticise that on a fiscal level but not on a political one.
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Corbyn is a bogeyman to the weak minded and greedy. He represents something that used to enthuse the working class but they seemed to have been brainwashed into believing their exploitation is inevitable and anyone who says otherwise is a charlatan or worse.
Could it be that their lifes have been undermined, their national characters diluted, their NHS bursting at the seams, the infrastructure creaking at the seams and all caused by the very party that claimed to represent them..........yes, multiculturalism has certainly enriched this country hasn't it?
Well its certainly expanded under the Tory misrule. More now entering the country than ever at least according to the latest immigration figures.

https://fullfact.org/factcheck/immigration/how_many_migrants_come_to_europe_uk_one_million-48273

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The Office for National Statistics data for 2014 shows that net migration, counting people of all nationalities (British and foreign), was about 312,000.
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Yes we will see financial crises in the future, but it is a good job that we now have a Gov. that has instituted reforms to protect us and seeks to reduce the risks caused by massive public sector debts.
What a load of bollocks, are you blind to what is going on?  :o

It is not public sector debt that is the problem, it is the national debt and the fact that money printing is building up the mother of all debt overhangs, we are per capita one of the most indebted nations on earth, and far worse than many of those countries you casually chuck the phrase basket case at, wake up man!

And a government that will protect us, jeeze............. It's the primary cause you dolt!  ::)
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Would that be as long as she keeps her mouth shut?
Put that kettle on luv.

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Why, the pigs head shagging and dope smoking is just the tip of the iceberg.
I didn't know Cameron stuck a lettuce up his arse as well!  :o
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I didn't know Cameron stuck a lettuce up his arse as well!  :o
Quite frankly NOTHING would surprise me about some of the people on the Tory front bench.
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Corbyn is a bogeyman to the weak minded and greedy. He represents something that used to enthuse the working class but they seemed to have been brainwashed into believing their exploitation is inevitable and anyone who says otherwise is a charlatan or worse.
Could it be that their lifes have been undermined, their national characters diluted, their NHS bursting at the seams, the infrastructure creaking at the seams and all caused by the very party that claimed to represent them..........yes, multiculturalism has certainly enriched this country hasn't it?


How so? At best the Tories have colluded in 'multiculturalism', it was them who benefitted most from cheap labour after all.
The NHS is bursting at the seams? Why because of all the non contributing immigrants or just under funding? Or poor administration perhaps?
You seem to be confusing New Labour with a party who could give a hoot for the people it represents
The Corbyn narrative includes investing in our infrastructure by a peoples QE and re nationalising the railways. Now you can criticise that on a fiscal level but not on a political one.
Perhaps you would be so kind as to find a "loophole" whereby this or any other government can find a way to counter the Rules of the EU and countermand the Lisbon treaty that Gordy so famously signed us up to even though we are not signed up to the Schengen agreement, once a person has EU status then there is SFA we can do to stop them and that is only the "legal" ones.
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How so? At best the Tories have colluded in 'multiculturalism', it was them who benefitted most from cheap labour after all.
The NHS is bursting at the seams? Why because of all the non contributing immigrants or just under funding? Or poor administration perhaps?
You seem to be confusing New Labour with a party who could give a hoot for the people it represents
The Corbyn narrative includes investing in our infrastructure by a peoples QE and re nationalising the railways. Now you can criticise that on a fiscal level but not on a political one.
Perhaps you would be so kind as to find a "loophole" whereby this or any other government can find a way to counter the Rules of the EU and countermand the Lisbon treaty that Gordy so famously signed us up to even though we are not signed up to the Schengen agreement, once a person has EU status then there is SFA we can do to stop them and that is only the "legal" ones.
As I understand it the UK, since it joined the EU, has been obliged to allow people from other EU countries to enter the UK, so that would be long before the 'open borders policy --- Schengen agreement' was introduced and long before NL took office.
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It is, but I will leave the dreams of revolution, chaos and anarchy to Dreamers like your good self.
My point is that Comrade Corbyn has an Everest to climb and he has no obvious climbing skills, so I suppose that leaves his supporters dreaming of some external catastrophic even that will stimulate the populous to shout in unison "Jeramy please help us you are the chosen one". I think that scenario unlikely.

Wait and see, the hysteria in the right wing press has been something to cherish, it's not like they give a toss about Britain or it's people it's more to do with the fact that Corbyn has THEM in his sights, all it will take is another financial crisis and the usual mass self pity and suddenly Corbyn will look very respectable............
Why should I wait to see if your dreams come true? I prefer what works, here and now. Me thinks it is the likes of yourself who do not give a toss for the UK, especially the English, as you are constantly deriding them and wishing them harm.


Yes we will see financial crises in the future, but it is a good job that we now have a Gov. that has instituted reforms to protect us and seeks to reduce the risks caused by massive public sector debts. It is a pity they don't get on with that job and ignore those, such as your good self, who screamed for the opposite course of action. There really is something very hypocritical of people like you shouting against cuts in public spending then accusing the Gov. of increasing debts.

As for fuelling house prices, then it is good to see the Gov. are listening and are about to water down their initiatives. Pity Gordon Brown had cloth ears.

It's always the public sector with you isn't it? Well I've got news for you; the public sector didn't place us up to our necks in shit, it was the greedy, dishonourable, private financial sector. To claim anything different is to speak absolute ballbaggery.
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Joe Public does not appear to give a shit where Cameron sticks his genitalia,
This member of Joe Public does.
Fortunately for us you only have one vote.
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Why should I wait to see if your dreams come true? I prefer what works, here and now. Me thinks it is the likes of yourself who do not give a toss for the UK, especially the English, as you are constantly deriding them and wishing them harm.


Yes we will see financial crises in the future, but it is a good job that we now have a Gov. that has instituted reforms to protect us and seeks to reduce the risks caused by massive public sector debts. It is a pity they don't get on with that job and ignore those, such as your good self, who screamed for the opposite course of action. There really is something very hypocritical of people like you shouting against cuts in public spending then accusing the Gov. of increasing debts.

As for fuelling house prices, then it is good to see the Gov. are listening and are about to water down their initiatives. Pity Gordon Brown had cloth ears.

It's always the public sector with you isn't it? Well I've got news for you; the public sector didn't place us up to our necks in shit, it was the greedy, dishonourable, private financial sector. To claim anything different is to speak absolute ballbaggery.
So what? Surely you are not arguing that faults with the Public Sector must be tolerated just because some Banker rolled the lot on black? Or are you?

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It's always the public sector with you isn't it? Well I've got news for you; the public sector didn't place us up to our necks in shit, it was the greedy, dishonourable, private financial sector. To claim anything different is to speak absolute ballbaggery.
So what? Surely you are not arguing that faults with the Public Sector must be tolerated just because some Banker rolled the lot on black? Or are you?

"So what"? Poor attitude to say the least. Of course I don't think that the public sector should not be trimmed down where it's needed. It's the wholesale destruction and uneccessary vindictive callousness which is questionable. It's just that you lay the blame squarely on the public sector. Or that seems to be the gist of it. You harp on about it constantly, with very few references to the private sector ballsing it up. You seem to dismiss the finacial sectors folly with "just because some Banker rolled the lot on black?" You treat it as if it was merely unfortunate. As it turned out, it wasn't too unfortunate for the finacial sector, nor the boys at the head of the table. The poor buggers at the bottom of the pile copped for it though. Of course, they are a sub-human lot anyway and count for nothing do they? You seem to think that we should all adopt an Enid Blyton style of Englishness, cheer the poor bankers on just because they made a mistake and toast their efforts with a nice glass of homemade lemonade. "Hurrah for the bankers, lets give them a hand, it was just a bit of bad luck afterall".
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Perhaps you would be so kind as to find a "loophole" whereby this or any other government can find a way to counter the Rules of the EU and countermand the Lisbon treaty that Gordy so famously signed us up to even though we are not signed up to the Schengen agreement, once a person has EU status then there is SFA we can do to stop them and that is only the "legal" ones.

Since 1992 and the Maastricht agreement!

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Perhaps you would be so kind as to find a "loophole" whereby this or any other government can find a way to counter the Rules of the EU and countermand the Lisbon treaty that Gordy so famously signed us up to even though we are not signed up to the Schengen agreement, once a person has EU status then there is SFA we can do to stop them and that is only the "legal" ones.

Since 1992 and the Maastricht agreement!

Yes it certainly was not Lisbon

The treaty basis is the Treaty of Rome which certainly does not give unilateral freedom of movement. There have been umpteen rulings since that treaty and the clean up document that effectively defines the law is the The 2004 EU Directive and while that extends the treaty basis (for example to those looking for work) it has the paragraph 10 and 16 abilities to call time after 3 months. The directive is not a treaty and can be changed without unanimity.

But in any event France has regularly used those paragraphs to expel those who became a burden. So should we.

(but we digress)
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Perhaps you would be so kind as to find a "loophole" whereby this or any other government can find a way to counter the Rules of the EU and countermand the Lisbon treaty that Gordy so famously signed us up to even though we are not signed up to the Schengen agreement, once a person has EU status then there is SFA we can do to stop them and that is only the "legal" ones.

Since 1992 and the Maastricht agreement!

Yes it certainly was not Lisbon

The treaty basis is the Treaty of Rome which certainly does not give unilateral freedom of movement. There have been umpteen rulings since that treaty and the clean up document that effectively defines the law is the The 2004 EU Directive and while that extends the treaty basis (for example to those looking for work) it has the paragraph 10 and 16 abilities to call time after 3 months. The directive is not a treaty and can be changed without unanimity.

But in any event France has regularly used those paragraphs to expel those who became a burden. So should we.

(but we digress)
Hard to argue with all that.

Other than..well (yes my bleeding heart liberal teddy is absolutely soaked) that's a top sentiment.

Let employers undercut indigenous workers whilst simultaneously exploiting the migrants, then f them off.
I'm sure that's pretty much exactly what the EU want to do anyway, they're probably working out how to do it while minimizing:

Bad publicity
HR lawyers' lawsuits on behalf of migrants and maybe countries(?)
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How so? At best the Tories have colluded in 'multiculturalism', it was them who benefitted most from cheap labour after all.
The NHS is bursting at the seams? Why because of all the non contributing immigrants or just under funding? Or poor administration perhaps?
You seem to be confusing New Labour with a party who could give a hoot for the people it represents
The Corbyn narrative includes investing in our infrastructure by a peoples QE and re nationalising the railways. Now you can criticise that on a fiscal level but not on a political one.
Perhaps you would be so kind as to find a "loophole" whereby this or any other government can find a way to counter the Rules of the EU and countermand the Lisbon treaty that Gordy so famously signed us up to even though we are not signed up to the Schengen agreement, once a person has EU status then there is SFA we can do to stop them and that is only the "legal" ones.


You miss my point entirely.
No1 was that the Tories benefit from cheap labour more than most and colluded in ' multiculturalism' yet somehow Corbyn seems to be in the frame for it.
No2 was that are you really sure that the NHS is bursting at the seams because of non tax paying immigrants and not underfunding or poor admin?
No3 was that the Corbyn narrative inclides MORE housing, More investing in the 'creaking' infrastructure and renationalising of the railways.
You ignore all three and go back to expressing your fear of migrants .
Personally I am impressed with the way the government and media have deflected criticism of their actions and apportioning it at migrants. So many have swallowed it.
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A very big hill to climb and so few climbing skills on offer. I suspect that Comrade Corbyn is going to have a very tough time proving he is not a Trotsky Tosser.

He doesn't have to climb, nor I suspect 'under mine' ...... the walls before him will collapse and he will step into the debris carrying the flag of 'I told you so'.
Would that be the Red flag, with the hammer and sickle on it?
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A very big hill to climb and so few climbing skills on offer. I suspect that Comrade Corbyn is going to have a very tough time proving he is not a Trotsky Tosser.

He doesn't have to climb, nor I suspect 'under mine' ...... the walls before him will collapse and he will step into the debris carrying the flag of 'I told you so'.
Would that be the Red flag, with the hammer and sickle on it?
Don't you think it's time you Tories found some different 'scares' with which to mask your failings behind? We've had 'it's the Unions fault' war, you won. We've had the 'Labour are Communists' debacle, you lost, and you've gone full circle on the EU is bad, EU is good argument too many times.
Not even the Russians are true communists anymore, so do join us in the 21st century.



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Sep 26 2015, 05:42 PM
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Would that be the Red flag, with the hammer and sickle on it?
Don't you think it's time you Tories found some different 'scares' with which to mask your failings behind? We've had 'it's the Unions fault' war, you won. We've had the 'Labour are Communists' debacle, you lost, and you've gone full circle on the EU is bad, EU is good argument too many times.
Not even the Russians are true communists anymore, so do join us in the 21st century.





Seconded. It made me cringe . :facepalm:
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Would that be the Red flag, with the hammer and sickle on it?
Don't you think it's time you Tories found some different 'scares' with which to mask your failings behind? We've had 'it's the Unions fault' war, you won. We've had the 'Labour are Communists' debacle, you lost, and you've gone full circle on the EU is bad, EU is good argument too many times.
Not even the Russians are true communists anymore, so do join us in the 21st century.



Couldn't agree more. You get fed up with the same old fairy tales being repeated time and time over. The right wing Tories that go on this site are much the same. It get boring to read the same old lies and propaganda repeated continuously. Mind you, not all unoriginal, the newest lie was the one about Labour joining up with the SNP. The Tory propagandists really got the dimwits to vote for their failed old party in May.
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Sep 26 2015, 04:03 PM
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Perhaps you would be so kind as to find a "loophole" whereby this or any other government can find a way to counter the Rules of the EU and countermand the Lisbon treaty that Gordy so famously signed us up to even though we are not signed up to the Schengen agreement, once a person has EU status then there is SFA we can do to stop them and that is only the "legal" ones.

Since 1992 and the Maastricht agreement!

Yes it certainly was not Lisbon

The treaty basis is the Treaty of Rome which certainly does not give unilateral freedom of movement. There have been umpteen rulings since that treaty and the clean up document that effectively defines the law is the The 2004 EU Directive and while that extends the treaty basis (for example to those looking for work) it has the paragraph 10 and 16 abilities to call time after 3 months. The directive is not a treaty and can be changed without unanimity.

But in any event France has regularly used those paragraphs to expel those who became a burden. So should we.

(but we digress)
I stand corrected and duly retract my comment regarding Gordy and the Lisbon treaty.
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I know people don't like austerity (who does ) but I'm waiting to see how he is going to get the money in to pay down the deficit.

If that involves more borrowing....forget it. We have all suffered quite a bit already and don't want the deficit higher.
The only other thing is taxes. Vince cable pursued tax dodgers for years....why are the now going to start paying?
Inheritance tax isn't going to be enough...nor is 50p
So where is the money coming from which doesn't effect business or enterprise?

Still keeping an open mind at the moment and will have to see how all this "debating" for policy in the Labour party is going to work.

Still a bit annoyed that the best people in the party seem to be hiding in the wings...... when a good workable opposition should be forming.
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I know people don't like austerity (who does ) but I'm waiting to see how he is going to get the money in to pay down the deficit.

Austerity isn't paying down the deficit.
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