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Corbyn FAILS to boost Labour's popularity, dire poll
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Jeremy Corbyn FAILS to boost Labour's popularity, dire poll results reveal

JEREMY Corbyn winning the Labour leadership has done nothing for the party's popularity.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/606532/Jeremy-Corbyn-fails-boost-Labour-popularity-poll

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I personally believe this has more to do with most of Labour MPs rather than Corbyn. The moment he was selected as the Leader for Labour party, the attacks began. Clearly this was noticed by population, especially when a number stated they would defect to LibDems at one point if Corbyn did not comply with what they wanted him to do.

The Labour party is deeply divided, and Corbyn is backed into a corner. He very little support, and I seriously doubt he would be able to win any election the way things stand.
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Sep 27 2015, 03:40 PM
Vince cable pursued tax dodgers for years
No-one has been pursuing tax dodgers in Britain.
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Its one of a series of measures which helps our outgoings get closer to GDP
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Sep 27 2015, 03:42 PM
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Sep 27 2015, 03:40 PM
I know people don't like austerity (who does ) but I'm waiting to see how he is going to get the money in to pay down the deficit.

Austerity isn't paying down the deficit.
Reducing Public Spending reduces the deficit between that we can afford from revenues and the cost of running this State. As for austerity one has to ask "what austerity"? Maybe you are referring to "Osborne’s fauxsterity".

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Healy cut more, percentage-wise, in one year than Osborne is doing in God knows how many.

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Osborne's Fauxsterity

Last time I looked borrowing was increasing again. But I suppose one should not just look at a single month.

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It will take Osborne eight years to cut as much as Labour did in 1976-77, under the instructon of the IMF.


In the meantime the Brown-Osborne Burden has increased dramatically.

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I saw Corbyn on Andrew Marr's show this morning, not quite the foaming at the mouth leftie we'd been led to believe he was.

Articulate, thoughtful and not prepared to play the game the media wants, ie they ask daft questions and you are supposed to jump through their hoops. He instead skillfully fended off pathetic questions about singing the national anthem or that having disagreements with other party members was the equivalent of chaotic disunity, he then put HIS agenda across, which on this occasion was reigning in corporate tax avoidance, decent housing and opportunities for the young.

The Tories will be shitting bricks once this gets a broader airing............
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Sep 27 2015, 05:03 PM
As for austerity one has to ask "what austerity"?
The austerity that is creating a now very long list of dead, causing more and more people to need food banks, and creating several million more poor people.
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I saw Corbyn on Andrew Marr's show this morning, not quite the foaming at the mouth leftie we'd been led to believe he was.

Articulate, thoughtful and not prepared to play the game the media wants, ie they ask daft questions and you are supposed to jump through their hoops. He instead skillfully fended off pathetic questions about singing the national anthem or that having disagreements with other party members was the equivalent of chaotic disunity, he then put HIS agenda across, which on this occasion was reigning in corporate tax avoidance, decent housing and opportunities for the young.

The Tories will be shitting bricks once this gets a broader airing............
His simplistic attitude to having a dialogue with terrorists failed to address the point that the terrorists have to want to have a dialogue with you.
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Sep 27 2015, 05:03 PM
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Sep 27 2015, 03:40 PM
I know people don't like austerity (who does ) but I'm waiting to see how he is going to get the money in to pay down the deficit.

Austerity isn't paying down the deficit.
Reducing Public Spending reduces the deficit between that we can afford from revenues and the cost of running this State. As for austerity one has to ask "what austerity"? Maybe you are referring to "Osborne’s fauxsterity".

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Healy cut more, percentage-wise, in one year than Osborne is doing in God knows how many.

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Osborne's Fauxsterity

Last time I looked borrowing was increasing again. But I suppose one should not just look at a single month.

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It will take Osborne eight years to cut as much as Labour did in 1976-77, under the instructon of the IMF.


In the meantime the Brown-Osborne Burden has increased dramatically.

Hmm, no comment on Brown reigning in borrowing from 2006.
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It would appear the situation for Labour and Corbyn is not as bleak as the thread header suggests:-

https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/political-monitor-september-2015-topline.pdf
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Sep 27 2015, 05:14 PM
His simplistic attitude to having a dialogue with terrorists failed to address the point that the terrorists have to want to have a dialogue with you.
Nope! You seem as unable to understand the spoken word as much as you do the printed word!

He was very specific, you must firstly talk and then listen before using force, what a shame your hero never took this on board as we can see the consequences of this in the Middle East to this very day.
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I am sure Corbyn has the Tories shitting bricks, with broad smiles on their faces. I doubt there will be much of a Labour Party to vote for in 2020 and if Corbyn and his Acolytes are still running that show they will be laughed out of town. Of course he will get some votes, but we all know what quarter they will come from.
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Sep 27 2015, 05:14 PM
His simplistic attitude to having a dialogue with terrorists failed to address the point that the terrorists have to want to have a dialogue with you.
Nope! You seem as unable to understand the spoken word as much as you do the printed word!

He was very specific, you must firstly talk and then listen before using force, what a shame your hero never took this on board as we can see the consequences of this in the Middle East to this very day.
Never negotiate with terrorists!


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Especially ;-) if you Are a terrorist.
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His simplistic attitude to having a dialogue with terrorists failed to address the point that the terrorists have to want to have a dialogue with you.
Nope! You seem as unable to understand the spoken word as much as you do the printed word!

He was very specific, you must firstly talk and then listen before using force, what a shame your hero never took this on board as we can see the consequences of this in the Middle East to this very day.
Wrong on the IRA violence goes back generations, wrong on Saddam (talk went on for 12 years right up to the invasion) and wrong on Isis as they never wanted to talk.

It's kind of cute to see you get so much wrong all at once. :)

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Sep 27 2015, 05:30 PM
I am sure Corbyn has the Tories shitting bricks, with broad smiles on their faces. I doubt there will be much of a Labour Party to vote for in 2020 and if Corbyn and his Acolytes are still running that show they will be laughed out of town. Of course he will get some votes, but we all know what quarter they will come from.
I think there was a hint this morning that the Magic Wand Brigade are the ones that have boosted Labour Party membership. To think that these mad hatters will have some influence on the future of the Labour party is probably the most damaging thing Corbyn has done to Labour so far.

I for one cannot be associated with such madness.
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I am sure Corbyn has the Tories shitting bricks, with broad smiles on their faces. I doubt there will be much of a Labour Party to vote for in 2020 and if Corbyn and his Acolytes are still running that show they will be laughed out of town. Of course he will get some votes, but we all know what quarter they will come from.
I think there was a hint this morning that the Magic Wand Brigade are the ones that have boosted Labour Party membership. To think that these mad hatters will have some influence on the future of the Labour party is probably the most damaging thing Corbyn has done to Labour so far.

I for one cannot be associated with such madness.


Mmm so we have a choice of the neo liberal Tories, Tory lite ( if Corbyn gets knifed in the back)and the magic wand brigade....interesting.
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I know people don't like austerity (who does ) but I'm waiting to see how he is going to get the money in to pay down the deficit.

If that involves more borrowing....forget it. We have all suffered quite a bit already and don't want the deficit higher.
The only other thing is taxes. Vince cable pursued tax dodgers for years....why are the now going to start paying?
Inheritance tax isn't going to be enough...nor is 50p
So where is the money coming from which doesn't effect business or enterprise?

Still keeping an open mind at the moment and will have to see how all this "debating" for policy in the Labour party is going to work.

Still a bit annoyed that the best people in the party seem to be hiding in the wings...... when a good workable opposition should be forming.
Austerity simply does not work.

It hasn't worked in Greece and it hasn't here. Labour were considered so profligate when the debt was circa £950 billion now its a whopping £1.4 Trillion. Shows the Tory incompetents are crap at running the nations economy or for that matter the country. Giddie must be the worst CofE ever!
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I know people don't like austerity (who does ) but I'm waiting to see how he is going to get the money in to pay down the deficit.

If that involves more borrowing....forget it. We have all suffered quite a bit already and don't want the deficit higher.
The only other thing is taxes. Vince cable pursued tax dodgers for years....why are the now going to start paying?
Inheritance tax isn't going to be enough...nor is 50p
So where is the money coming from which doesn't effect business or enterprise?

Still keeping an open mind at the moment and will have to see how all this "debating" for policy in the Labour party is going to work.

Still a bit annoyed that the best people in the party seem to be hiding in the wings...... when a good workable opposition should be forming.
Austerity simply does not work.

It hasn't worked in Greece and it hasn't here. Labour were considered so profligate when the debt was circa £950 billion now its a whopping £1.4 Trillion. Shows the Tory incompetents are crap at running the nations economy or for that matter the country. Giddie must be the worst CofE ever!


Nope he is very good. He has the people frightened of their own shadow ..like Turkeys hoping the farmer will suspend Xmas.
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Sep 27 2015, 03:42 PM
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I know people don't like austerity (who does ) but I'm waiting to see how he is going to get the money in to pay down the deficit.

Austerity isn't paying down the deficit.
What austerity?
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Sep 27 2015, 05:16 PM
It would appear the situation for Labour and Corbyn is not as bleak as the thread header suggests:-

https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/political-monitor-september-2015-topline.pdf
You need to read it again. Very much supports the OP. Probably because it was the very poll the OP link used.
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I am sure Corbyn has the Tories shitting bricks, with broad smiles on their faces. I doubt there will be much of a Labour Party to vote for in 2020 and if Corbyn and his Acolytes are still running that show they will be laughed out of town. Of course he will get some votes, but we all know what quarter they will come from.
You keep forgetting the millions of people who get made poorer every time a Tory "welfare reform" gets enacted and the various groups of people the Tories keep attacking, currently junior doctors are voting on strike action.
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Wrong on the IRA violence goes back generations, wrong on Saddam (talk went on for 12 years right up to the invasion) and wrong on Isis as they never wanted to talk.

It's kind of cute to see you get so much wrong all at once. :)

That's strange, I must have imagined Tony Blair strutting around on George Bush's Texan ranch adopting an identical pose with thumbs tucked under an unfeasibly tight belt, presumably to keep all that shit in? For some reason after the pep talk from George we got a war! And after the biggest protest in British history had passed through London!

So much for democratic protest and talking and listening eh? ;-)
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Sep 27 2015, 06:27 PM
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I am sure Corbyn has the Tories shitting bricks, with broad smiles on their faces. I doubt there will be much of a Labour Party to vote for in 2020 and if Corbyn and his Acolytes are still running that show they will be laughed out of town. Of course he will get some votes, but we all know what quarter they will come from.
You keep forgetting the millions of people who get made poorer every time a Tory "welfare reform" gets enacted and the various groups of people the Tories keep attacking, currently junior doctors are voting on strike action.
Yes just wait until the cuts in tax credits start biting, the incompetents support will simply fade away. 13 million will be affected by Giddie and IDSs latest showing of ineptitude.
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What austerity?
Sorry you should know the answer to this, a few months ago you told us you had taken a ten grand pay cut.

Some people never learn do they.....................
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I am sure Corbyn has the Tories shitting bricks, with broad smiles on their faces. I doubt there will be much of a Labour Party to vote for in 2020 and if Corbyn and his Acolytes are still running that show they will be laughed out of town. Of course he will get some votes, but we all know what quarter they will come from.
Yes on a very rare occasion I must agree with you. I have surrendered my membership of Labour.
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It hasn't worked in Greece and it hasn't here. Labour were considered so profligate when the debt was circa £950 billion now its a whopping £1.4 Trillion. Shows the Tory incompetents are crap at running the nations economy or for that matter the country. Giddie must be the worst CofE ever!


Austerity is a lot more severe in Europe than it has been here.
Greece have not paid their interest on their debt ....they have taken bail-outs which just pay off the interest to the Countries they owe....but not to reduce their own debt.
so they are faced with more and more austerity and a never ending downwards cycle..
Its pathetic mismanagement of their economy.
They need to elect a party brave enough to knock their economy in to shape.....but they keep electing the same dreamer.

Not paying your bills is an option that doesn't get better.

No-one wants austerity but we have to pay the interest on our debt....... or technically we are bankrupt.

Like most of the voting public....I don't want to listen to dreamers.
Show me the figures and give me confidence that you can actually run the country....Then I'll decide.

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I am sure Corbyn has the Tories shitting bricks, with broad smiles on their faces. I doubt there will be much of a Labour Party to vote for in 2020 and if Corbyn and his Acolytes are still running that show they will be laughed out of town. Of course he will get some votes, but we all know what quarter they will come from.
Yes on a very rare occasion I must agree with you. I have surrendered my membership of Labour.


Why its an inclusive party. It wont change if you run away from it.
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I know people don't like austerity (who does ) but I'm waiting to see how he is going to get the money in to pay down the deficit. . . .
The base of his plan is the March OBR report. Link All parties said they used this as a base for their election manifestos except only the Tories really committed to it. Section 1.36 is a summary. It requires two key things

A big cut in spending (aka austerity). Chart 1.2 shows such. Not one party could identify how these cuts would be achieved. Labour and the more left leaning parties pretended they could ignore that bit of the OBR report

A household debt bubble fuelling GDP growth ad therefore more taxes. As chart 3.31 shows this means repeating Brown's house price boom - as if we could do that and not get the same bust.

In short we are going to see austerity and a big gamble and that's the least bonkers of the offerings we were asked to choose between.
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It hasn't worked in Greece and it hasn't here. Labour were considered so profligate when the debt was circa £950 billion now its a whopping £1.4 Trillion. Shows the Tory incompetents are crap at running the nations economy or for that matter the country. Giddie must be the worst CofE ever!


Austerity is a lot more severe in Europe than it has been here.
Greece have not paid their interest on their debt ....they have taken bail-outs which just pay off the interest to the Countries they owe....but not to reduce their own debt.
so they are faced with more and more austerity and a never ending downwards cycle..
Its pathetic mismanagement of their economy.
They need to elect a party brave enough to knock their economy in to shape.....but they keep electing the same dreamer.

Not paying your bills is an option that doesn't get better.

No-one wants austerity but we have to pay the interest on our debt....... or technically we are bankrupt.

Like most of the voting public....I don't want to listen to dreamers.
Show me the figures and give me confidence that you can actually run the country....Then I'll decide.

Neither do I vote or listen to dreamers. Unlike the idiots who voted Tory in May and believed all the lies and propaganda.

What country do you suppose I can run, or would want to for that matter. I'm upping and leaving the UK, now the morons have gained power again.
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Labour were considered so profligate when the debt was circa £950 billion now its a whopping £1.4 Trillion.


The deficit at the end of the Labour government was twice what it is now.
The debt was accelerating at a much higher rate.
It has now slowed and until the deficit goes to zero... we can't even get to the debt.





I'd like to see those tables SK but this comp won't read the files.
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Wrong on the IRA violence goes back generations, wrong on Saddam (talk went on for 12 years right up to the invasion) and wrong on Isis as they never wanted to talk.

It's kind of cute to see you get so much wrong all at once. :)

That's strange, I must have imagined Tony Blair strutting around on George Bush's Texan ranch adopting an identical pose with thumbs tucked under an unfeasibly tight belt, presumably to keep all that shit in? For some reason after the pep talk from George we got a war! And after the biggest protest in British history had passed through London!

So much for democratic protest and talking and listening eh? ;-)
Well if you want to miss out key facts it would look that way

That ranch meeting was the one where Blair persuaded Bush to get the UN to give Saddam a chance. A chance Saddam blew - well according to lots of observers most notably including Hans Blix he did
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I am sure Corbyn has the Tories shitting bricks, with broad smiles on their faces. I doubt there will be much of a Labour Party to vote for in 2020 and if Corbyn and his Acolytes are still running that show they will be laughed out of town. Of course he will get some votes, but we all know what quarter they will come from.
I think there was a hint this morning that the Magic Wand Brigade are the ones that have boosted Labour Party membership. To think that these mad hatters will have some influence on the future of the Labour party is probably the most damaging thing Corbyn has done to Labour so far.

I for one cannot be associated with such madness.
I hope for a proper SDP to give the Tories a run for their money. Trouble with the broad Labour Church is that it has always been a home for the lunatic Trotskyite fringes. You once denied the truth of this, now they are out of their closets.
The last thing we want is a One Party State. We need a strong Opposition to take Politicians in Office to task.
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I am sure Corbyn has the Tories shitting bricks, with broad smiles on their faces. I doubt there will be much of a Labour Party to vote for in 2020 and if Corbyn and his Acolytes are still running that show they will be laughed out of town. Of course he will get some votes, but we all know what quarter they will come from.
Yes on a very rare occasion I must agree with you. I have surrendered my membership of Labour.


Why its an inclusive party. It wont change if you run away from it.
Problem is it is changing in the wrong direction. The Loony Left are in the ascendancy and they, based on history, will not tolerate those that do not hold their line.
Good to see those here who have identified themselves of friends of the Corbyn Brigade. Let us see where they stand when the wheels start falling off. Some say they already are.

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Good to see those here who have identified themselves of friends of the Corbyn Brigade.
I have not noticed anyone in that category. I am merely amused at the sheer terror being shown by the press , media and the Tory party about Corbyn.
If he stands no chance of being Prime Minister why the collective soiling of underwear?
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Why its an inclusive party. It wont change if you run away from it.
Problem is it is changing in the wrong direction. The Loony Left are in the ascendancy and they, based on history, will not tolerate those that do not hold their line.
Good to see those here who have identified themselves of friends of the Corbyn Brigade. Let us see where they stand when the wheels start falling off. Some say they already are.


The wrong direction for the Tories maybe. The rest is just your wishful thinking..at this moment.
If the wheels do not happen to fall off the wagon then expect Cameron and Osborne to dress up like Chairman Mao and claim to be the new' workers revolutionary tory party'
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Good to see those here who have identified themselves of friends of the Corbyn Brigade.
I have not noticed anyone in that category. I am merely amused at the sheer terror being shown by the press , media and the Tory party about Corbyn.
If he stands no chance of being Prime Minister why the collective soiling of underwear?
The Tory right wing is playing an obvious game, spread the fear and the more right wing style Tory party they can get electable
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Good to see those here who have identified themselves of friends of the Corbyn Brigade.
I have not noticed anyone in that category. I am merely amused at the sheer terror being shown by the press , media and the Tory party about Corbyn.
If he stands no chance of being Prime Minister why the collective soiling of underwear?
The Tory right wing is playing an obvious game, spread the fear and the more right wing style Tory party they can get electable
The Tory right could be in trouble before long, most people are unaware of the close links, usually through the pocket region, that many senior Conservatives have with dubious banks, businesses and especially wealthy individuals who at times seem to purchase policy at will.

Corbyn pointing this out in the house may well inform many people who are currently unaware that all in it together may not be strictly true.
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Good to see those here who have identified themselves of friends of the Corbyn Brigade.
I have not noticed anyone in that category. I am merely amused at the sheer terror being shown by the press , media and the Tory party about Corbyn.
If he stands no chance of being Prime Minister why the collective soiling of underwear?
Well it is one of the symptoms of that disease called the Tory Party, aka the moronic right wing extremists.
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What austerity?
Sorry you should know the answer to this, a few months ago you told us you had taken a ten grand pay cut.

Some people never learn do they.....................
What on earth has that got to do with austerity, the cut was because my job title changed and I was no longer employed as a tradesman, have you heard me whingeing about that?, nothing in life has changed for me other than my wage packet, so, Mr fucking know all, I ask once again......what austerity?
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Sep 27 2015, 10:11 PM
I ask once again......what austerity?
Well you could always check out my post on junior doctors being handed a potential 30% pay cut. :)

Plenty more of that sort of stuff available if you care to look, although doubtless your fact finding quest will end the second you finish reading this post..........
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I ask once again......what austerity?
Well you could always check out my post on junior doctors being handed a potential 30% pay cut. :)

Plenty more of that sort of stuff available if you care to look, although doubtless your fact finding quest will end the second you finish reading this post..........
would that be the post you didn't provide a link or reference to back your assertion?
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Jessamy Bride
Sep 27 2015, 07:05 PM
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Labour were considered so profligate when the debt was circa £950 billion now its a whopping £1.4 Trillion.


The deficit at the end of the Labour government was twice what it is now.
The debt was accelerating at a much higher rate.
It has now slowed and until the deficit goes to zero... we can't even get to the debt.





I'd like to see those tables SK but this comp won't read the files.
The deficit was falling in 2010 as the economy returned positive and GDP growth higher than at any time since. Most of the deficit reduction seen occured in that early part of the coalition - before the coalition measures had taken effect (to result in a flat economy and the deficit remaining stubbornly high).
This chart is scary ..... and no amount of spin will ease the concern.
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And let's not mention the loss of the AAA rating, eh


Edited by Affa, Sep 27 2015, 10:29 PM.
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