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Corbyn FAILS to boost Labour's popularity, dire poll
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Jeremy Corbyn FAILS to boost Labour's popularity, dire poll results reveal

JEREMY Corbyn winning the Labour leadership has done nothing for the party's popularity.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/606532/Jeremy-Corbyn-fails-boost-Labour-popularity-poll

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I personally believe this has more to do with most of Labour MPs rather than Corbyn. The moment he was selected as the Leader for Labour party, the attacks began. Clearly this was noticed by population, especially when a number stated they would defect to LibDems at one point if Corbyn did not comply with what they wanted him to do.

The Labour party is deeply divided, and Corbyn is backed into a corner. He very little support, and I seriously doubt he would be able to win any election the way things stand.
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would that be the post you didn't provide a link or reference to back your assertion?
Yes that's the one.

Ever heard of Google? I refuse to do links as most on here regard them as confetti.
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They know the voters won't tolerate Marxism....its been tried before.... and it doesn't work.
(Except the wide eyed uni students who think they have found the holy grail....or that they'll get free tuition fees......or both)

I don't think the voters will go for the more right wing style either
You only have to walk around our northern cities and see all the rusting industries and deprivation.
That's no way to run a country.

I think most people just want something in the middle.
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Sep 27 2015, 10:33 PM
They know the voters won't tolerate Marxism....its been tried before.... and it doesn't work.
I think a lot of voters must be as thick as shit then, I did not hear much in the way of Marxism from Corbyn on the Andrew Marr show this morning?

Unless you are one of those unthinking plebs who takes his opinions pre packed and fully formed straight from the right wing press that is..........
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would that be the post you didn't provide a link or reference to back your assertion?
Yes that's the one.

Ever heard of Google? I refuse to do links as most on here regard them as confetti.
Ever seen threads with no replies? You have now
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They know the voters won't tolerate Marxism....its been tried before.... and it doesn't work.
I think a lot of voters must be as thick as shit then, I did not hear much in the way of Marxism from Corbyn on the Andrew Marr show this morning?

Unless you are one of those unthinking plebs who takes his opinions pre packed and fully formed straight from the right wing press that is..........


You know, you can keep stressing that Corbyn has pledged to lead an inclusive Labour party and wants to use the talents from all sides of the party and the sheeples STILL cant seem to assimilate it in their heads.
I hope Jeremy has more patience than me. /S:
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I am sure Corbyn has the Tories shitting bricks, with broad smiles on their faces. I doubt there will be much of a Labour Party to vote for in 2020 and if Corbyn and his Acolytes are still running that show they will be laughed out of town. Of course he will get some votes, but we all know what quarter they will come from.
I think there was a hint this morning that the Magic Wand Brigade are the ones that have boosted Labour Party membership. To think that these mad hatters will have some influence on the future of the Labour party is probably the most damaging thing Corbyn has done to Labour so far.

I for one cannot be associated with such madness.


Mmm so we have a choice of the neo liberal Tories, Tory lite ( if Corbyn gets knifed in the back)and the magic wand brigade....interesting.
A choice between Neo liberal Tories, Tory lite or commie lite ?
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Mmm so we have a choice of the neo liberal Tories, Tory lite ( if Corbyn gets knifed in the back)and the magic wand brigade....interesting.
A choice between Neo liberal Tories, Tory lite or commie lite ?
'commie lite'

Or just center-left, you know, normality.

But no, commie lite it is!

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They know the voters won't tolerate Marxism....its been tried before.... and it doesn't work.
I think a lot of voters must be as thick as shit then, I did not hear much in the way of Marxism from Corbyn on the Andrew Marr show this morning?

Unless you are one of those unthinking plebs who takes his opinions pre packed and fully formed straight from the right wing press that is..........


You know, you can keep stressing that Corbyn has pledged to lead an inclusive Labour party and wants to use the talents from all sides of the party and the sheeples STILL cant seem to assimilate it in their heads.
I hope Jeremy has more patience than me. /S:
But as he showed on the Marr show today he hasn't got a clue how to make that work. No one is going to win a General Election by promising on every key issue "well we will debate that"

He's already had to get the Unions to get him out of an embarrassing Trident dither at his week's conference. Can't pull that trick too often.
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would that be the post you didn't provide a link or reference to back your assertion?
Yes that's the one.

Ever heard of Google? I refuse to do links as most on here regard them as confetti.
Ever seen threads with no replies? You have now
PS hasn't seen it yet. ;-)
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They know the voters won't tolerate Marxism....its been tried before.... and it doesn't work.
I think a lot of voters must be as thick as shit then, I did not hear much in the way of Marxism from Corbyn on the Andrew Marr show this morning?

Unless you are one of those unthinking plebs who takes his opinions pre packed and fully formed straight from the right wing press that is..........


You know, you can keep stressing that Corbyn has pledged to lead an inclusive Labour party and wants to use the talents from all sides of the party and the sheeples STILL cant seem to assimilate it in their heads.
I hope Jeremy has more patience than me. /S:
An inclusive Labour party could not be a socialist party so it seems that Corbyn is trying to fool people. One part of the labour will have to take a back seat. If that is the centre-left of the party then that would be like the centre- right of the Tory party taking a back seat to the right-wing of the their party.

No amount of blather or woolly thinking can make centre-left and left-wing mean the same thing.
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Mmm so we have a choice of the neo liberal Tories, Tory lite ( if Corbyn gets knifed in the back)and the magic wand brigade....interesting.
A choice between Neo liberal Tories, Tory lite or commie lite ?


But it isnt is it? Corbyn has stated that he wants an inclusive Labour party who utilises ALL sides of the party.
So what part of the word 'inclusive' confuses you?
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A choice between Neo liberal Tories, Tory lite or commie lite ?
'commie lite'

Or just center-left, you know, normality.

But no, commie lite it is!

The centre-left have been referred to as Tory-lite. A Socialist IS in the left of Politics, socialism was initially regarded as a stepping stone to communism, so commie-lite it is.
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You know, you can keep stressing that Corbyn has pledged to lead an inclusive Labour party and wants to use the talents from all sides of the party and the sheeples STILL cant seem to assimilate it in their heads.
I hope Jeremy has more patience than me. /S:
But as he showed on the Marr show today he hasn't got a clue how to make that work. No one is going to win a General Election by promising on every key issue "well we will debate that"

He's already had to get the Unions to get him out of an embarrassing Trident dither at his week's conference. Can't pull that trick too often.


His new party is effectively work in progress. The doubters are doubting an opposition that has not yet been formed.
Is that too difficult to comprehend?
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You know, you can keep stressing that Corbyn has pledged to lead an inclusive Labour party and wants to use the talents from all sides of the party and the sheeples STILL cant seem to assimilate it in their heads.
I hope Jeremy has more patience than me. /S:
But as he showed on the Marr show today he hasn't got a clue how to make that work. No one is going to win a General Election by promising on every key issue "well we will debate that"

He's already had to get the Unions to get him out of an embarrassing Trident dither at his week's conference. Can't pull that trick too often.
Um I completely, totally disagree with this.

He admits he hasn't got the answers until intelligent well-researched people + the mass bulk of labour + its politicians + his constituents/gen public come together and form them, based on fact.

Finally! A politician who admits they dont have all the answers?
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A choice between Neo liberal Tories, Tory lite or commie lite ?
What a strange World we live in!

Clamping down on institutionalised industrial strength tax avoidance and bringing appalling railways that suck up billions in taxpayer subsidies back into public ownership is considered a form of communism, but letting this carry on as if it is perfectly normal is considered both sound and sensible!

Perhaps the NHS can develop a vaccine that cures Blairism? Although I can think of another type of shot that would clear it instantly. ;-)
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The deficit was falling in 2010 as the economy returned positive and GDP growth higher than at any time since. Most of the deficit reduction seen occured in that early part of the coalition - before the coalition measures had taken effect (to result in a flat economy and the deficit remaining stubbornly high).
This chart is scary ..... and no amount of spin will ease the concern.


Of course we have a bigger debt interest.....We have a bigger debt.
The deficit halved over the coalition government though from 10% of GDP to 5% - 154bn to 90 bn in real terms.
Not as good as anyone wanted... but Osbourne borrowed more money than expected and growth was less than expected (because we had a couple of recessions)
Expected to go into the black at some point....who knows when.
Its rather worrying to say the least.
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'commie lite'

Or just center-left, you know, normality.

But no, commie lite it is!

The centre-left have been referred to as Tory-lite. A Socialist IS in the left of Politics, socialism was initially regarded as a stepping stone to communism, so commie-lite it is.
Nope two seater, that's incorrect bollox, NL were just not centre-left, give up the ghost - it's moved onto the next life.
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The centre-left have been referred to as Tory-lite. A Socialist IS in the left of Politics, socialism was initially regarded as a stepping stone to communism, so commie-lite it is.
:facepalm:

Here we go again.

I suppose we'd better make sure every I is dotted and every T crossed as the get out clauses will be coming thick and fast.
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You know, you can keep stressing that Corbyn has pledged to lead an inclusive Labour party and wants to use the talents from all sides of the party and the sheeples STILL cant seem to assimilate it in their heads.
I hope Jeremy has more patience than me. /S:
An inclusive Labour party could not be a socialist party so it seems that Corbyn is trying to fool people. One part of the labour will have to take a back seat. If that is the centre-left of the party then that would be like the centre- right of the Tory party taking a back seat to the right-wing of the their party.

No amount of blather or woolly thinking can make centre-left and left-wing mean the same thing.


The only people who are trying to fool people are the fools who believe that tory lite leadership is the way to go.
Corbyn is a collectivist who had pledged to lead an inclusive Labour party.
If you cannot quite understand this then perhaps you should wait until the party has formed its policies before trying to derail them ... :facepalm:
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Some people, like dogs, need to be lead by a strong master that they cannot question.
Maybe they see the concept of consensus as a weakness.
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But as he showed on the Marr show today he hasn't got a clue how to make that work. No one is going to win a General Election by promising on every key issue "well we will debate that"

He's already had to get the Unions to get him out of an embarrassing Trident dither at his week's conference. Can't pull that trick too often.
Um I completely, totally disagree with this.

He admits he hasn't got the answers until intelligent well-researched people + the mass bulk of labour + its politicians + his constituents/gen public come together and form them, based on fact.

Finally! A politician who admits they dont have all the answers?
I'm sure you think there's a big difference between your "He admits he hasn't got the answers" and my "he hasn't got a clue how to make that work" but there really isn't.
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I did not hear much in the way of Marxism from Corbyn on the Andrew Marr show this morning

Well he spoke ok.....fairness, food banks, democracy...and...um
Now what has he got in terms of a deficit reduction plan?
Forget the ideology and lets see the figures.
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Some people, like dogs, need to be lead by a strong master that they cannot question.
Maybe they see the concept of consensus as a weakness.
When push comes to shove it's always a good idea for all be shoving in the same direction.
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A choice between Neo liberal Tories, Tory lite or commie lite ?
What a strange World we live in!

Clamping down on institutionalised industrial strength tax avoidance and bringing appalling railways that suck up billions in taxpayer subsidies back into public ownership is considered a form of communism, but letting this carry on as if it is perfectly normal is considered both sound and sensible!

Perhaps the NHS can develop a vaccine that cures Blairism? Although I can think of another type of shot that would clear it instantly. ;-)
What a strange world YOU live in.

There are many things that I agree need to change, I just do not like the idea of a gooey lefty who brings his naïve dream world to the people without any organisation, just a --- multi, I want it this way, no I want it my way opinionated future --- . Influenced by the Magic Wand Brigade! :facepalm:
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Maybe they see the concept of consensus as a weakness.

That remains to be seen.
Will it turn up sensible, workable policies?
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The centre-left have been referred to as Tory-lite. A Socialist IS in the left of Politics, socialism was initially regarded as a stepping stone to communism, so commie-lite it is.
Nope two seater, that's incorrect bollox, NL were just not centre-left, give up the ghost - it's moved onto the next life.
NL WERE CENTRE-LEFT operating in a right-wing economy. One does not have to be particularly bright to be able to recognise that FACT.

If NL were not willing to work in a right-wing economy the 40 years of opposition by Old labour would have been more like 50 Years by now.

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'commie lite'

Or just center-left, you know, normality.

But no, commie lite it is!

The centre-left have been referred to as Tory-lite. A Socialist IS in the left of Politics, socialism was initially regarded as a stepping stone to communism, so commie-lite it is.


Nope. The concept of' Centre left ' is subjective. Your political heroes were Tories but campaigned via a political party that posed as pro Labour .
They were not, they held and still hold the same values as the present Tories..
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Um I completely, totally disagree with this.

He admits he hasn't got the answers until intelligent well-researched people + the mass bulk of labour + its politicians + his constituents/gen public come together and form them, based on fact.

Finally! A politician who admits they dont have all the answers?
I'm sure you think there's a big difference between your "He admits he hasn't got the answers" and my "he hasn't got a clue how to make that work" but there really isn't.
Ah, so judge him harshly as possible about what, 3 weeks since he's entered the leadership?

It's clear you are dead set against him and won't give him the time of day, let alone a chance.
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Some people, like dogs, need to be lead by a strong master that they cannot question.
Maybe they see the concept of consensus as a weakness.
When push comes to shove it's always a good idea for all be shoving in the same direction.


Unless you are pushing towards a cliff.
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Nope two seater, that's incorrect bollox, NL were just not centre-left, give up the ghost - it's moved onto the next life.
NL WERE CENTRE-LEFT operating in a right-wing economy. One does not have to be particularly bright to be able to recognise that FACT.

If NL were not willing to work in a right-wing economy the 40 years of opposition by Old labour would have been more like 50 Years by now.

So like on that other thread where they were neoliberal but also not?

You really don't make much sense.
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Nope two seater, that's incorrect bollox, NL were just not centre-left, give up the ghost - it's moved onto the next life.
NL WERE CENTRE-LEFT operating in a right-wing economy. One does not have to be particularly bright to be able to recognise that FACT.

If NL were not willing to work in a right-wing economy the 40 years of opposition by Old labour would have been more like 50 Years by now.



Keep telling yourself that old timer . Maybe the young will be less deluded this time around.
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Maybe they see the concept of consensus as a weakness.

That remains to be seen.
Will it turn up sensible, workable policies?


What like making the wealth inequality even wider?
More zero hour contracts? Wage stagnation?
Higher house prices... maybe even a nice housing bubble?
Firing a few missiles at Syria ?
Those kind of workable policies?
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Unless you are pushing towards a cliff.


That's just it...we are heading towards a cliff

All the more reason to forget the warm fuzzies and put the economy straight.

or nobody is going to have much of anything
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Unless you are pushing towards a cliff.


That's just it...we are heading towards a cliff

All the more reason to forget the warm fuzzies and put the economy straight.
Straight..off the cliff.
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Some people, like dogs, need to be lead by a strong master that they cannot question.
Maybe they see the concept of consensus as a weakness.
Some people are naïve enough to think that the more people who are involved in decision making the better. Which would be fine providing they were all birds of feather. But the idea that consensus on everything, or even on most things is likely is the product of dreamers. In reality there will always be some decisions to be made by just a few people.

IMO Corbyn's dream programme would, in the end, see more disputes, more arguments, division, more arbitration and more time wasted.
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Nope. The concept of' Centre left ' is subjective. Your political heroes were Tories but campaigned via a political party that posed as pro Labour .
They were not, they held and still hold the same values as the present Tories..
That is just not true, in fact it is complete nonsense, an unprovable piece of your imagination.
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Straight..off the cliff.


Of course not...and if Mcdonnell has a viable plan...then we have an alternative to the current plan

For what its worth...I think business and industry should be encouraged and supported (to keep people in employment)
I'd like to see investment, wealth creation, industry (to keep people in employment)
Councils should stop hiking up business rates (to keep people in employment)

ie...More tax revenue...more money into local economies....less people on the dole

In fact I think any chancellor should have " Keep people in employment"..... tattooed under his eyelids
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NL WERE CENTRE-LEFT operating in a right-wing economy. One does not have to be particularly bright to be able to recognise that FACT.

If NL were not willing to work in a right-wing economy the 40 years of opposition by Old labour would have been more like 50 Years by now.



Keep telling yourself that old timer . Maybe the young will be less deluded this time around.
Maybe the young will be even more naïve this time round, thereby mistakenly believing the older generation to be deluded.
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An inclusive Labour party could not be a socialist party so it seems that Corbyn is trying to fool people. One part of the labour will have to take a back seat. If that is the centre-left of the party then that would be like the centre- right of the Tory party taking a back seat to the right-wing of the their party.

No amount of blather or woolly thinking can make centre-left and left-wing mean the same thing.


The only people who are trying to fool people are the fools who believe that tory lite leadership is the way to go.
Corbyn is a collectivist who had pledged to lead an inclusive Labour party.
If you cannot quite understand this then perhaps you should wait until the party has formed its policies before trying to derail them ... :facepalm:
I admire him for taking a principled stance and he may well convert the majority of his shadow cabinet and those that voted for him to back his idealistic aims, but I very much doubt if he will be able to convert the voting public to have confidence in him and his cabinet to run such an important thing as a country.
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Some people, like dogs, need to be lead by a strong master that they cannot question.
Maybe they see the concept of consensus as a weakness.
When push comes to shove it's always a good idea for all be shoving in the same direction.


Unless you are pushing towards a cliff.
Not if you're trying to push something off a cliff
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