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| Topic Started: Sep 21 2015, 06:30 PM (594 Views) | |
| Tigger | Sep 21 2015, 06:30 PM Post #1 |
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Who is going to rid us of this public school Mafia? The latest bollocks is a report in several newspapers that quotes an unnamed army general who has apparently said that the armed forces would depose a democratically elected Corbyn government, although sacking thousands of much needed armed forces bods and flogging off various bits of military hardware is not an offence that would induce a coup d' etat, identify this cock in uniform and at the very least fire him. I cannot be the only one on here who is getting pissed off with the shrill and not very subtle warnings coming from our increasingly corrupt and out of touch establishment? |
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| skwirked | Sep 21 2015, 06:34 PM Post #2 |
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Can you just imagine all the dogsbodies going "yeh that bloody commie, get him out!". It really is like turkeys voting for xmas. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 21 2015, 06:41 PM Post #3 |
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Tory black propaganda for the weak kneed. Probably to offset the story that Cameron put his dick in a dead pigs head when he was a student. |
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| Lewis | Sep 21 2015, 06:56 PM Post #4 |
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You mean Doris Johnson was performing oral sex with him? |
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| Deleted User | Sep 21 2015, 07:01 PM Post #5 |
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I would of thought Boris was a giver not a receiver.
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| Steve K | Sep 21 2015, 07:28 PM Post #6 |
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Agreed, what a prat but then some Army generals aren't exactly known for their intellect (to be fairsome are) FWIW this was the original article in yesterday's Times that the other papers copied http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/National/article1609597.ece
But what type of General? I'm guessing Lieutenant General which sounds impressive but is only a 2 Star rank All smacks of Perrin's Uncle Jimmy Edited by Steve K, Sep 21 2015, 08:36 PM.
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| Tigger | Sep 21 2015, 07:51 PM Post #7 |
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That series was bordering on genius! And I'm wondering if this army general will eventually be named, the anti Corbyn one that is, not Jimmy's! And when is our CJ due back?
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| Pro Veritas | Sep 21 2015, 07:54 PM Post #8 |
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IMO this General should be named, stripped of rank, and lose his pension. That a senior officer in this nation's armed forces should such disregard, and disrespect, for the principles of democracy that our armed forces have (if we are to believe the hype of said senior officers) bled and died to defend around the globe is shocking in the extreme. He should be named and shamed. All The Best |
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| RoofGardener | Sep 21 2015, 08:21 PM Post #9 |
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Hmmm... this article is attributed to the Sunday Times. However, when you follow the link, you hit a Paywall. The preview text only talks about a mutiny in the cabinet about Trident. What IS clear is that the original Sunday Times article is not attributed. It cites an 'unamed' Army general. I'd agree with ProVertias above (and others). The General... if he exists .. is guilty of incitement to mutiny, and must be cashiered immediatly. There are channels for the Armed Forces to complain to the government.. there is a Permanant Parliamentary Committee to listen to these comments, and to relay them up to the Cabinet Office. If an individual - of any rank - is unhappy with this arrangement, then they can resign, and THEN talk to the newspapers in their capacity as an "ex" member of the forces. (subject to the terms of the Official Secrets act). |
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| Steve K | Sep 21 2015, 08:37 PM Post #10 |
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I refer you to my post above |
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| Lewis | Sep 21 2015, 09:50 PM Post #11 |
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Well it could be a BJ all the same it's a bit of a pig! Edited by Lewis, Sep 22 2015, 07:54 AM.
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| Pro Veritas | Sep 22 2015, 09:02 AM Post #12 |
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So apparently, according to those intent on protecting the establishment, it would be impossible to accurately identify this General. Bullshit. Name him, and shame him. All The Best |
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| Steve K | Sep 22 2015, 09:06 AM Post #13 |
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and just how are you going to do that and maintain a free press? |
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| Pro Veritas | Sep 22 2015, 09:25 AM Post #14 |
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The Press can already be required to reveal their sources under exceptional circumstances that may pose a threat to national security; I think that a General threatening a coup is just such an exceptional circumstance. Don't you? All The Best |
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| Affa | Sep 22 2015, 10:08 AM Post #15 |
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No different from TU militancy, except armed mutiny does over stretch their mark. |
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| skwirked | Sep 22 2015, 10:19 AM Post #16 |
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By TU, do you mean that awful clothing range? They do the kinds of awful jumpers that trade unionists used to wear. Yes the militant jumper-wearers really are a force to be reckoned with nowdays, aren't they. ( )
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| papasmurf | Sep 22 2015, 10:22 AM Post #17 |
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There is some balance appearing:- http://www.itv.com/news/2015-09-22/david-camerons-foreign-policy-expertise-questioned-in-lord-ashcrofts-biography/ It quotes General Sir David Richards as telling Mr Cameron that "being in the Combined Cadet Force at Eton" did not qualify him to set tactics for complex military operations |
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| skwirked | Sep 22 2015, 10:26 AM Post #18 |
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On Enforced Vacation
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| Alberich | Sep 22 2015, 12:44 PM Post #19 |
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A large pinch of salt is called for.....best if its big enough to completely bury whoever started this. |
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| Steve K | Sep 22 2015, 12:46 PM Post #20 |
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Well yes it would be but had you actually read the article (and I did use my Times access to copy and paste such above) you would see that he did no such thing So maybe you need to think this out again. |
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| Pro Veritas | Sep 22 2015, 01:30 PM Post #21 |
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ministry-of-defence-condemn-army-general-behind-jeremy-corbyn-mutiny-threat-10510353.html From which:
A mutiny of the senior command of the Army, using any means foul or fair, to overthrow an elected government is, under any definition you want to use, a coup. All The Best |
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| Steve K | Sep 22 2015, 02:26 PM Post #22 |
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The most relevant part of that article is it links back to this article http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/british-army-could-stage-mutiny-under-corbyn-says-senior-serving-general-10509742.html where the only evidence is
So as I said, you have to go by what is in the Times article. I have quoted that and it most certainly does not threaten but instead warns of a risk. BIG difference |
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| Affa | Sep 22 2015, 03:17 PM Post #23 |
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The scent of 'double standards' considering what the reaction to what Alan Yentob said precipitated. A warning he gave was considered a real (by implication) threat ........
Edited by Affa, Sep 22 2015, 03:18 PM.
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| RoofGardener | Sep 22 2015, 03:18 PM Post #24 |
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Just a side note... Did you ever wonder why we have a Royal Navy, and a Royal Air Force, but the British Army ? Apparently it is because neither the Navy or the Air Force have ever mutinied en-masse, whereas the Army has. |
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| Steve K | Sep 22 2015, 03:42 PM Post #25 |
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Clever I think there's a difference but I guess many won't |
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| Affa | Sep 22 2015, 03:57 PM Post #26 |
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I guess it must be very difficult to appear to be without bias, to remain politically impartial, when the reality is so different ........ |
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| papasmurf | Sep 22 2015, 06:48 PM Post #27 |
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Have you never heard of the Spithead and Nore mutinies? |
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| Steve K | Sep 22 2015, 07:07 PM Post #28 |
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Well maybe I have to spell out the difference then. Yentob a very powerful media figure deliberately lent his name to one, this unnamed general did not. A threat has to have a named force behind it, a warning of a risk does not. ProV says we should invoke national security to force the papers to reveal who this general is. I say that's poppycock and would in effect be a licence to silence future whistle blowers plus a barely hidden drive to suppress criticism of Corbyn. There is no need to use any such mechanism to discover who was behind Yentob's effort as he freely attached his name to it So big differences but I've no doubt you'll keep trawling through my posts trying to catch me out. Can I suggest you try getting a life instead. |
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| Tigger | Sep 22 2015, 08:11 PM Post #29 |
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I think this thread should become a repository for dodgy establishment dealings. And hot on the heels (trotters?) of Cameron shagging a dead pig, we have the case of Lord Sewel. Despite admitting to taking cocaine, being filmed doing so AND there being two witnesses, one pissed and the other one with a class A drug on both nipples the police have concluded there is "insufficient evidence to proceed", apparently a search of his flat at a later date with sniffer dogs in attendance failed to discover any trace of cocaine. So the lesson is clear, if you live on a sink estate and do drugs keep the following information handy just in case, ask the police to tip you off so you can get yourself a good cleaning lady, parrot repeatedly that you are sorry, also mentioning that your family are suffering as well, plus mention that you are really embarrassed and your "career" is over. What a fucking joke...........
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| Malum Unus | Sep 22 2015, 08:38 PM Post #30 |
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It's well known that in the UK (and I suspect most of the western world) the law only really applies to the common man. |
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| RoofGardener | Sep 22 2015, 08:51 PM Post #31 |
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No, I hadn't. Thanks for posting that Papa' Sooo... that being the case.. why isn't the British Army called the Royal Army ? |
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| Pro Veritas | Sep 22 2015, 08:53 PM Post #32 |
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https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130119131524AAy8gep From which:
All The Best |
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| Affa | Sep 22 2015, 09:02 PM Post #33 |
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I'm truly sorry to have upset your sensibilities, to have caused you a little embarrassment. It is not my intention to deter you from expressing your own opinions with conviction, I do enjoy and appreciate reading them. However I am induced to inform you that doing so took far less of my time you spend delving the right-wing media for your own interpretations, analysis, and spin for our consumptions. |
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| Cymru | Sep 23 2015, 02:30 AM Post #34 |
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Doesn't the British Army date its foundation to the raising of the New Model Army by Parliament against the King during the Civil War? |
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| Affa | Sep 23 2015, 05:25 PM Post #35 |
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Whilst I understand why Yentob made his warning, I cannot say why this General made his. Yentob was addressing the government over its action in removing funding for a charity. His warning was that dong so presented a risk that there could be a precipitation of the sort that led to the 2011 riots. A real possibility (consequence of government action), where the only real debate is whether the risk is small or great. The warning that the general made was based on nothing more than an obscure possibility of Corbyn forming a government in five years time ..... Two very different propositions. The first a consequence of government action the second a response to what the electorate may or may not do in years ahead. The first an attempt to enlighten government, the second was pure mischief, and interference in politics that he has no right to make. Your defence of it (military comment) does you no credit! |
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| Steve K | Sep 23 2015, 10:16 PM Post #36 |
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Can I suggest you should have read post 6 before you posted such trash. |
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| Affa | Sep 23 2015, 11:35 PM Post #37 |
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I replied to post 22 ........ and there is no need for the insult, I remind. Nowhere have I suggested that the general made a 'threat', I called it mischief. removed ad-hom
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| Steve K | Sep 24 2015, 10:02 AM Post #38 |
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Well I think we're at the stage when someone with authority should look at your posts about me Seems I have to explain that calling you post "trash" and supplying a supporting reference is attacking content but calling a poster "You however do not not have my consistency ......... your double standards are most obviously based on a political preference." following your "I guess it must be very difficult to appear to be without bias, to remain politically impartial, when the reality is so different" and other comments are blatant use of ad homs. To the point in hand: had you read my post 6 you will have seen I "Agreed" with the OP's " identify this cock in uniform and at the very least fire him." I then went on to compare him with the risible character in Perrin. Hardly the defence you accuse me of. A new line of debate emerged in posts 8, 12 to 14 and 20 as to whether we should use the courts to force the Times to give up the identity of this man because he was said to be "a General threatening a coup". My view was and is that that is highly fanciful and would be thrown out of court in minutes because the on the record words (and not other papers' extrapolation of same) only say he was warning of such a coup. Such imho would be protected under the law but that opinion could be intelligently debated. |
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| Affa | Sep 24 2015, 10:31 AM Post #39 |
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All perfectly ok ........ but my post wasn't about the general, but about how you called for Yentob to be sacked, disgraced. You did not apply this same 'thrown-out-of-court' logic to his case (warning) and called his e-mail a 'threat'. I have every right to highlight this duplicity as it does demonstrate that there is a bias to what you post and readers should be aware of that. If the mods consider this an offence, the clear evidence of double standards, then we are not debating, we are mollycoddling. |
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| Steve K | Sep 24 2015, 10:39 AM Post #40 |
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Another libellous adhom. Post ignored. |
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