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Refugees.; Germany & France encouraged Muslim immigrants.
Topic Started: Sep 22 2015, 03:26 PM (113 Views)
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Germany and France broadcast their willingness to accept refugees from the failed Islamic nations of the middle east and now, having realized the enormity of the problem and their own eye-watering stupidity they want us all to share the nightmare which they and they alone created. If they wanted the immigrants that's fine they've got them, now keep them, but they should not try to bully and/or blackmail other member states into accepting 10s of 1000s of refugees whose cultural and religious backgrounds are at odds with the whole of Europe. These so called refugees have passed by oil rich Muslim states such as Saudi Arabia, and headed straight for Christian Europe. The civic unrest and added terrorism the influx of these immigrants present will be with us and our children for ever. Sooner or later the ''here today, gone tomorrow'' politicians responsible for this catastrophe will be gone, but the people will have to live with the legacy of their treachery forever.
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Many of them are not refugees and not from Syria yet again the government haven't got the brains to see when they are being duped..We are an Island this should be one of the easiest places in the world to defend it's own borders..
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Steve K
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Ahem

http://w11.zetaboards.com/UK_Debate_Mk_2/topic/11326869/3/#new

and others.
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Jonksy
Sep 22 2015, 03:31 PM
Many of them are not refugees and not from Syria yet again the government haven't got the brains to see when they are being duped..We are an Island this should be one of the easiest places in the world to defend it's own borders..
I think a recent tally stated that of those that arrived in the EU in 2015 ~80% were Economic Migrants. Again we are witnessing a massive EU cock-up exacerbated by Merkel's desire to gain some PR advantage that, in result, is making the situation go from desperate to a catastrophe. Sovereign countries need to look after their own borders and the situation across the EU is not the same. germany and Italy need Economic Migrants to fill the gaps in a declining population and France and the UK don't. The UK is also one of the major destinations for Economic Migrants, see numbers that have arrived in recent years.

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Britain experienced one of the largest increases in migration flows last year out of a group of more than 30 developed countries monitored by a leading global think-tank.
The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) said international migration to the UK rose by 108,000 in 2014 to 558,000, a 24 per cent rise year-on-year.


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The claim by many that the UK is not pulling it's weight makes no cognisance of the fact that the UK is for many the preferred 1st Port of Call.

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RJD
Sep 22 2015, 04:50 PM
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Britain experienced one of the largest increases in migration flows last year out of a group of more than 30 developed countries monitored by a leading global think-tank.
The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) said international migration to the UK rose by 108,000 in 2014 to 558,000, a 24 per cent rise year-on-year.


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The claim by many that the UK is not pulling it's weight makes no cognisance of the fact that the UK is for many the preferred 1st Port of Call.

No one on here is, H is gone (probably for good), that just leaves me.

High numbers of overstayers with a low % actually refugees or econ migrants.

Tackle the overstayers-students and temp workers if you want to do something, but you might upset the Oh So Holy SMEs who rely on cheap migrant labour and you might even damage some public services. As for the students, well homegrown uni ggrads often bugger off anyway.
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Read what Ally had to say; Migrant crisis explained FT

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Europe has a terrible history of Hitler and his concentration camps. We just can't put a blindfold on our eyes and say - no, it can't happen again. Everything can happen again. Even now there were many cases of arson of migrants' homes in Germany. Yes, in this Germany that welcomes migrants so greatly.
If Ms. Merkel wants to be the next Mother Teresa of Calcutta, she should join the order, not play politics.
Dear Ms. Merkel, they want a better life. Dear Mr. Hollande, they want a better life. Moreover, not only do Syrians want a better life. The most of the people living now on the Earth, want a better life.
They want a better life in our European home.
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Interesting statistics, maybe if we adopted my solution..people wouldn't be fleeing in droves with large spikes duribg events that we all observed.

Just look at 2011.

Even in Pakistan the country is disintegrating, it's completely unsafe in large swathes of the country.

This WAS NOT always the case.

Ours and others foreign policy is directly or indirectly responsible in all of those cases mentioned in the FT article.
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I feel that there is no point in engaging in a blame game, we are where we are and the answer to the overwhelming numbers of immigrants is not accepting increasingly more of them. Doing so may relieve the guilty conscience of the Germans and temporarily offer a partial respite but it will create a much bigger problem in the near future. Don't forget, today's sad eyed refugee with a hard luck story is tomorrows terrorist, and they will breed and increase within the communities they settle. There absolutely will be a clash of cultures and civil unrest and an increase in terrorist atrocities is inevitable;- all courtesy of our wonderful politicians, voted in by you, and me.
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Wizard
Sep 22 2015, 03:26 PM
Germany and France broadcast their willingness to accept refugees from the failed Islamic nations of the middle east and now, having realized the enormity of the problem and their own eye-watering stupidity they want us all to share the nightmare which they and they alone created. If they wanted the immigrants that's fine they've got them, now keep them, but they should not try to bully and/or blackmail other member states into accepting 10s of 1000s of refugees whose cultural and religious backgrounds are at odds with the whole of Europe. These so called refugees have passed by oil rich Muslim states such as Saudi Arabia, and headed straight for Christian Europe. The civic unrest and added terrorism the influx of these immigrants present will be with us and our children for ever. Sooner or later the ''here today, gone tomorrow'' politicians responsible for this catastrophe will be gone, but the people will have to live with the legacy of their treachery forever.
They intend to share about 180,000, but what about the other 500 000,with many more on the way? Teresa May is right. They should be fingerprinted, photographed and processed, and all non genuine asylum seekers should be returned to their countries of origin. Unless there are deterrents in place they will keep coming . and that itself will bring with it longer term problems. Apparently opposition to immigrants is rising across the whole of Europe
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