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| Corbyn warned much of agenda not achievable if Britain stays in EU | |
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| Topic Started: Sep 29 2015, 09:31 AM (113 Views) | |
| Phoenix One UK | Sep 29 2015, 09:31 AM Post #1 |
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Jeremy Corbyn warned much of his agenda will not be achievable if Britain stays in the EU Eurosceptic MPs say competition law would prevent Mr Cobyn's attempts to renationalise services Jeremy Corbyn has been warned by some of his own MPs that much of his agenda will not be achievable if Britain remains in the European Union. Eurosceptic Labour MPs said European competition law would prevent his attempts to renationalise the railways, energy companies and Royal Mail, while also blocking the creation of a national investment bank to rebuild Britain’s ailing manufacturing industry – one of Mr Corbyn’s central economic policies. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-warned-much-of-his-agenda-will-not-be-achievable-if-britain-stays-in-the-eu-a6671016.html Unquote:============================ I had already raised this point elsewhere within this site, and can appreciate Corbyn's dilemma of having to compromise his beliefs to coincide with pro EU Labour MPs to avert a risk of splitting the p[arty. I had also visited Labours own site, and noted a number of posts from their members on EU referendum issue where they believe Labour should remove their whip and allow MPs to possess their own Labour Eurosceptic campaign with Labour MPs Kate Hoey leading the Eurosceptic Labour position. Note that where the UK's membership of EU is concerned there are cross party MPs on both sides of argument, and I believe Labour should remove the whip and allow Labour MPs campaign as they wish. |
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| Phoenix One UK | Sep 29 2015, 10:06 AM Post #2 |
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The EU referendum is the biggest political decision in a generation http://labourlist.org/2015/09/the-eu-referendum-is-the-biggest-political-decision-in-a-generation/ Unquote:============================= The above is to Labours own site, and what follows was one response that brings the pont home, quote: I have had several long conversations with Ukip candidates while standing for hours outside polling stations. I know it is only a small sample, but they seemed to be decent people. Patriotic, trying to get our country back. I do not see eye to eye with all of their party policies (otherwise I would join their party). However I do feel that we need to get our sovereignty back from the EU. Tony Benn was spot on. I do not mind which party gets us out of the EU. It is not really a party political issue (other than for Ukip). So I personally would be happy to join with Eurosceptics of any party (other than BNP.) I think that as Labour is also divided on our EU membership (it is not just the Tories who are divided) our MPs should be free to campaign as their conscience allows without being whipped. I would like to see an officially recognised "Labour Out" campaign led by Kate Hoey. http://labourlist.org/2015/06/... Unquote:======================= Note this is not about party, it is about country. Further, I am of belief that both businesses and workers need a voice to represent their interests. I am also of firm belief that one cannot exist without the other. Employers need workers, and workers need employers. They need each other, and their should be a balance to represent both. |
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| skwirked | Sep 29 2015, 10:22 AM Post #3 |
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The issue transcends staying in or out to be honest. As RJD and others have pointed out, it entirely depends on how hard our government pushes for reform, or if it leaves, how well it negotiates withdrawal and whether we can remain in the EFTA. I am neither for or against, I'm for the government strengthening our position as much as they possibly can whether in or out if the EU. |
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| Affa | Sep 29 2015, 10:23 AM Post #4 |
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The role of government is to serve the electorate, the people. Their's is the Prime purpose. If to do this there must be a focus on providing jobs, and the opportunity for business to thrive, then having an ear to what business determines it needs to flourish is sensible ..... but an ear for vested interests is not part of this. Government should only provide conditions for business that have a direct positive impact on jobs and ADD to overall prosperity, pay taxes on profits, and support the infrastructure they rely on in order to function. By now everyone must know that since the eighties business returns have been increasing at a faster rate than GDP growth, wages, or living standards. They should also be aware that the proportion that business contributes to the treasury over this period has REDUCED. That should be addressed so that there is not this discrepancy, this greed. Edited by Affa, Sep 29 2015, 10:26 AM.
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| Tytoalba | Sep 29 2015, 10:24 AM Post #5 |
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Agree, and a fair balance is what currently exists in most workforces, hence the lack of conflicts and strikes, except where politically motivated, as with the Unite Union leadership. |
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| Tytoalba | Sep 29 2015, 10:37 AM Post #6 |
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Business returns enable expansion, higher business taxes, and higher employment, which leads to a higher payment of income tax from the workforce. You take a very narrow view, one that smells of envy more than business or economic sense. Practical economics before destructive idealism Affa. The higher the profit, the greater the dividends foe pension funds and savers, and the greater the investment and risk taking. Businesses are there is no other purpose for their existence. are there to make a profit, profits come from sales , and sales are governed by demand and what people are willing to pay, in other words, market forcers in play. You want to take some of the profits , but are you willing to compensate for the losses if they arise? Nothing is as simple as your soundbites |
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| Tigger | Sep 29 2015, 07:30 PM Post #7 |
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You've never been in business have you? You need not only a stable economy to put your money up to grow a business you also need to have in place the infrastructure that is able to both train and house staff so as they can become productive.You cannot collect taxes on staff who can barely afford to keep a roof over their heads. In my first hand experience the nation is failing badly on those two points, the overheads are crippling potential productivity gains and stiffling growth long term. |
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| Tytoalba | Sep 29 2015, 10:19 PM Post #8 |
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Those overheads will get a great deal worse if taxes on businesses are increased and income tax raised for entrepreneurs For a period of time I was a sales rep and I did a business studies course at the LSE. Never assume anything Tigger. |
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| Tigger | Sep 29 2015, 10:33 PM Post #9 |
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But it's ok to price the workforce out of shelter! Wages would not need to go up if rent controls were brought in, win win. Did you sell much of that Amway stuff? |
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| Phoenix One UK | Sep 30 2015, 05:38 AM Post #10 |
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Labour conference: Rail nationalisation now official policy http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34389319 AND Jeremy Corbyn will have to give up on his key policies if Britain STAYS in EU JEREMY Corbyn could find it impossible to enact some of his key policies if Britain remains in the European Union, Labour eurosceptics warned last night as they criticised the new leader for vowing to campaign to stay in. http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/608633/Jeremy-Corbyn-Labour-policies-Britain-STAYS-in-EU Unquote:======================== So this is now Labour's official policy, but it is also Labours policy for UK to remain in EU. One of these has to go because these policies cannot co-exist, as explained in previous posts. Edited by Phoenix One UK, Sep 30 2015, 05:51 AM.
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| Tigger | Sep 30 2015, 08:04 PM Post #11 |
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I'm guessing you won't be voting Labour now! Back to Nige! |
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| Phoenix One UK | Sep 30 2015, 08:09 PM Post #12 |
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I don't know who I will be voting for at 2020 GE. Have to wait and see. However, I will be voting to leave in EU in/out referendum. Edited by Phoenix One UK, Sep 30 2015, 08:09 PM.
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| Tigger | Sep 30 2015, 09:19 PM Post #13 |
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Sorry, I don't believe you. |
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| Phoenix One UK | Sep 30 2015, 10:31 PM Post #14 |
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Like I care what you believe!
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