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EU migration hits low paid - Andy Burnham
Topic Started: Sep 30 2015, 07:12 PM (104 Views)
Phoenix One UK
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EU migration hits low paid - Andy Burnham

Free movement of workers in the EU has made life tougher for low paid workers in the UK, Andy Burnham has said.

He was making a pitch to win back Labour voters from UKIP in his first big speech as shadow home secretary.

He said it was "not true" that free movement had benefited everybody as Labour had claimed in the past.

UKIP said it was a "welcome recognition of the blindingly obvious" but if Mr Burnham wanted to do something about it he should campaign to leave the EU.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34397256

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Andy Burnham announces mission to win back voters from Ukip

Shadow home secretary also tells Labour conference of new campaign to prevent migration being used to undercut wage levels in Britain

The Labour leadership runner-up and new shadow home secretary, Andy Burnham, has set himself a mission of “winning back lost Labour voters from Ukip” by reframing the party’s approach to immigration.

He used his party conference speech to launch a campaign ahead of the coming referendum to change EU free movement rules to prevent migration being used to undercut wage levels in Britain and to ensure direct European funding of British towns and cities under pressure from migration.

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The new shadow home secretary insisted that the free movement rules were being exploited to undercut wages, undermine job security and create a race-to-the-bottom.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/30/andy-burnham-announces-mission-to-win-back-voters-from-ukip

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And exactly what does he propose the UK does about it? The EU Open Border policy is a fundamental requirement of EU membership, and is NOT negotiable. What part of this did he fail to understand? The EU certainly said it often enough to global population.
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Sep 30 2015, 07:12 PM
EU migration hits low paid - Andy Burnham

Free movement of workers in the EU has made life tougher for low paid workers in the UK, Andy Burnham has said.

He was making a pitch to win back Labour voters from UKIP in his first big speech as shadow home secretary.

He said it was "not true" that free movement had benefited everybody as Labour had claimed in the past.

UKIP said it was a "welcome recognition of the blindingly obvious" but if Mr Burnham wanted to do something about it he should campaign to leave the EU.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34397256

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Andy Burnham announces mission to win back voters from Ukip

Shadow home secretary also tells Labour conference of new campaign to prevent migration being used to undercut wage levels in Britain

The Labour leadership runner-up and new shadow home secretary, Andy Burnham, has set himself a mission of “winning back lost Labour voters from Ukip” by reframing the party’s approach to immigration.

He used his party conference speech to launch a campaign ahead of the coming referendum to change EU free movement rules to prevent migration being used to undercut wage levels in Britain and to ensure direct European funding of British towns and cities under pressure from migration.

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The new shadow home secretary insisted that the free movement rules were being exploited to undercut wages, undermine job security and create a race-to-the-bottom.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/30/andy-burnham-announces-mission-to-win-back-voters-from-ukip

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And exactly what does he propose the UK does about it? The EU Open Border policy is a fundamental requirement of EU membership, and is NOT negotiable. What part of this did he fail to understand? The EU certainly said it often enough to global population.
The mere fact that he is willing to flip flop just to retain a job shows that he has no principles, even Mr Corbyn has his principles and sticks by them, apart from bringing the Hillsboro tragedy to a just investigation, I cannot think of any other success he has had whilst holding office, much like Tony Blair and David Cameron, they realise only too late that they should have listened to popular consensus and acted accordingly instead of arrogantly ignoring the wishes of the majority.
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Well at the risk of sounding not especially shocked perhaps the OP can explain why the present government does not bump up the nation wage considerably or better still stop the exploitation of younger workers? And I simply don't buy the fact immigration is the sole cause, if you do the same job you should get the same wage end of. The biggest problem in my opinion is so called starter jobs often exclude our own youngsters, a fucking disgrace in my view and a sad reflection on many employers.

I was also going to ask the OP what he personally thought of this but then realised he's been on the dole for several years. Silly old me! ;D
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Sep 30 2015, 07:34 PM
Well at the risk of sounding not especially shocked perhaps the OP can explain why the present government does not bump up the nation wage considerably or better still stop the exploitation of younger workers? And I simply don't buy the fact immigration is the sole cause, if you do the same job you should get the same wage end of. The biggest problem in my opinion is so called starter jobs often exclude our own youngsters, a fucking disgrace in my view and a sad reflection on many employers.

I was also going to ask the OP what he personally thought of this but then realised he's been on the dole for several years. Silly old me! ;D
My eldest son had been working for three years on zero hour contracts with half his paying going towards paying his rent. His health was suffering due to overwork, not eating properly, and having to be available 24/7. He finally quit last week, and got a better job with employer that recognised the value of his experience.

The younger generation are having a rough time of it. Even when they get married with children of their own many stay with parents to just make ends meet.

As for the dig at me, you don't know me tigger, and never did. So up yours.  ::)
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Sep 30 2015, 07:12 PM
"Andy Burnham announces mission to win back voters from Ukip"

A shame he did not say this while Milliband was running the show. He might have been rather more popular than he ended up being.

Has Burhham shown any such inkling to deviate from the "inward migration of everyone who wants in is good for the economy" bollocks which has been the party line of BOTH Labour AND Tory since the days when Blair took a bung from the Hindoojah brothers ...

I d not recall it.

So this is a leopard changing his spots in the vain hope those he has pissed on will let him piss on them again.
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Just a restatement of the bleeding obvious. Burnham has finally twigged that Joe Public understand the basics of supply/demand and must have done a little swatting up on the subject. I suspect that the vast majority of Labour MPs are very ignorant when it comes to economics. The idiot Shadow Chancellor, that second rate Marxist, was banging on about "Balance of Payments" and use of that term died out decades ago. Banging on about an Investment Bank without first determining how well (badly) Welsh Labour are doing with theirs. They have not yet twigged that Businessmen, those with savvy like Venture Capitalists, find it very hard to pick winners so why should Politicians think they have the expertise? Unless of course The Magic Money Tree is accompanied by a Magic Crystal Ball.
The call for re-nationalisation of the Railways without any consideration of economics and any reference to the fact that NertworkRail is already in public ownership and is a basket-case where it now costs significantly more to do the same jobs as it's predecessor and even more to manage. These people are not interested in learning, in fact I suspect they just don't want to know. Efficient modern enterprising Britain is not on their agenda they are stuck with 1960s mindsets.


You heard it: “Some people have property and power, class and capital, status and even sanctity, which are denied to the multitude". What a load of codswallop. Who are these people? Nearly two thirds of Brits own their own homes. I do not think that Corbyn is speaking to the nation but to his merry band of swivel eyed Loons who are riddled with hatred, loathing and envy of others they think are their betters. Antediluvian tosh designed to whip up the blood of the Spite and Envy Brigade..






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Oct 1 2015, 07:23 AM
Nearly two thirds of Brits own their own homes.
It used to be three quarters only a few years ago, and home ownership is in decline.
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Sep 30 2015, 07:12 PM
. . UKIP said it was a "welcome recognition of the blindingly obvious" . .

And in that they were dead right

Burnham has been shown to have all the gravitas and spine of a Chivers jelly. That he and the Eagles chose to brief against Corbyn while conference was still in session shows how inept JC is making his big speech on he penultimate day and how insecure his position remains.

Burnham to lead an EU exit movement in the Labour party? Could happen but somehow I see Burnham and Lawson as less than the allies Farage would choose.

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To state the obvious, the argument for and support for immigration, changed dramatically with the meltdown and recession in 2008. And changed again with the latest mass immigration into Europe.
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Oct 1 2015, 07:26 AM
RJD
Oct 1 2015, 07:23 AM
Nearly two thirds of Brits own their own homes.
It used to be three quarters only a few years ago, and home ownership is in decline.
Irrelevant. My point is not based on the fact that the portion has reduced but that it is the vast majority.
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Oct 1 2015, 08:41 AM
To state the obvious, the argument for and support for immigration, changed dramatically with the meltdown and recession in 2008. And changed again with the latest mass immigration into Europe.
Yes it changed, but the effects were obvious long before.
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Oct 1 2015, 09:27 AM
Irrelevant. My point is not based on the fact that the portion has reduced but that it is the vast majority.
With many millions of young and not so young in work and not able to buy a home, that percentage of home owners is going to drop like a stone over the next five years and it will be a big election issue.
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Oct 1 2015, 09:48 AM
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Oct 1 2015, 09:27 AM
Irrelevant. My point is not based on the fact that the portion has reduced but that it is the vast majority.
With many millions of young and not so young in work and not able to buy a home, that percentage of home owners is going to drop like a stone over the next five years and it will be a big election issue.
I am sure it will be an issue, but again that was not the point. However the point is lost on you.
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RJD
Oct 1 2015, 01:33 PM
papasmurf
Oct 1 2015, 09:48 AM
RJD
Oct 1 2015, 09:27 AM
Irrelevant. My point is not based on the fact that the portion has reduced but that it is the vast majority.
With many millions of young and not so young in work and not able to buy a home, that percentage of home owners is going to drop like a stone over the next five years and it will be a big election issue.
I am sure it will be an issue, but again that was not the point. However the point is lost on you.
Well he kind of has a point, how many are likely to be foreclosed upon?

The % could go down further still.
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Oct 1 2015, 01:36 PM
RJD
Oct 1 2015, 01:33 PM
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Oct 1 2015, 09:48 AM

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I am sure it will be an issue, but again that was not the point. However the point is lost on you.
Well he kind of has a point, how many are likely to be foreclosed upon?

The % could go down further still.
His point should have been for another thread. He just attempted his usual trick of ground shifting.
He is predictable, he either shifts the ground, shoots the Messenger or cries conspiracy. Anyway he has gone under the button as I cannot waste anymore time with him.
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Oct 1 2015, 09:28 AM
C-too
Oct 1 2015, 08:41 AM
To state the obvious, the argument for and support for immigration, changed dramatically with the meltdown and recession in 2008. And changed again with the latest mass immigration into Europe.
Yes it changed, but the effects were obvious long before.
Nope. That sooner or later something would need to be done was obvious but that did not change the situation that existed.
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I did actually point this out a while ago..when we employed 284 people and only 10 of them were British..Do keep up...
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