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| Topic Started: Nov 7 2015, 01:33 AM (1,744 Views) | |
| skwirked | Nov 7 2015, 01:33 AM Post #1 |
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I'd just like to use this thread to thank the chancellor for his excellent work with regards to the following: https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/chancellor-george-osbornes-budget-2015-speech
The man is a genius. Edited by skwirked, Dec 1 2015, 07:26 AM.
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| Rich | Nov 7 2015, 01:35 AM Post #2 |
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Let's face it, anyone would look like a genius when compared to Labour. |
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| skwirked | Nov 7 2015, 01:39 AM Post #3 |
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Absolutely, even NL MK II. |
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| Lewis | Nov 7 2015, 08:01 AM Post #4 |
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That sentence in itself is a complete fabrication. Bloody incompetent lying git - what bullshite! |
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| Lewis | Nov 7 2015, 08:03 AM Post #5 |
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You mean John Major don't you. |
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| RJD | Nov 7 2015, 08:37 AM Post #6 |
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I assume you object to such aspirations? If you do then what is it you wish the UK to aspire to? Surely not the reinstatement of Clause IV? |
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| disgruntled porker | Nov 7 2015, 08:54 AM Post #7 |
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Older than most people think I am.
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"most prosperous major economy in the world" I tip my hat to the worlds greatest comedian. I aspire to a Bentley Continental, but I know it aint going to happen other than by some fluke. "widely shared prosperity" I'd love to know how he defines that! Could it be another case of not telling the whole truth? He probably meant to say "widely shared prosperity for the top few percent of us". |
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| Affa | Nov 7 2015, 09:53 AM Post #8 |
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Another "we'll reduce immigration to tens of thousands" declaration that ends up being an unattainable aspiration ........ one for the faithful to devour and the rest of us to puke up. |
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| C-too | Nov 7 2015, 10:01 AM Post #9 |
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And NL acquired the position of genius when compared to the Thatcher period of hate, social damage and her embracing of economic division. |
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| RJD | Nov 7 2015, 10:04 AM Post #10 |
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Well if you look it is not implausible. But first you will have to remove the smaller successful economies like Singapore and Norway from the list. The UK is not so far behind the USA and streets ahead of China. Whilst we might be cynical because Osborne has more aspiration than the average Brit and certainly a lot more than your average Usual, his dreams are not that far away from the dreams of Allah. It is good that those on the rhs have aspirations to achieve in order to counterbalance the dead weight of the low achieving lefties who remain the nation's Millstone. |
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| RJD | Nov 7 2015, 10:07 AM Post #11 |
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But none of that is true, after the difficult years 1970 to 1985 the UK enjoyed less social division and much greater social and economic harmony. The divisions reached their peak with a Labour Gov. under Callaghan. Poor Sonny Jim, he was so badly let down by his tribe with the Winter of Discontent. Sorry C2 you have been found peddling Red Nag myths again. |
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| Affa | Nov 7 2015, 10:09 AM Post #12 |
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"things can only get better" ........... and they did! So much for aspiration from the Tories, delivery from the left. |
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| RJD | Nov 7 2015, 10:16 AM Post #13 |
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In what respect? Was the nation protected from the chill winds of an economic turn down? No many suffered and continue to do so due to a lack of prudence by NL. Did we see good jobs in the manufacturing sector be exchanged for serving coffee under NL? Well they oversaw, after an increase by the previous Gov. a £44b or was it £46b reduction in value added in that sector and a complete rout of UK metal bashing. Now the NL Tribalists have the temerity to claim that Thatcher destroyed UK manufacturing when all the evidence shows that NL were the main culprit. What sort of jobs were created between 1997 and 2010? We have always suffered here from an overdose of Red Nag myths, but this has accelerated since the Electorate resoundingly rejected Labour, new, old, dead or Trot. |
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| Affa | Nov 7 2015, 10:44 AM Post #14 |
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How quickly you forget you wrote this contradictory garbage
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| C-too | Nov 7 2015, 11:35 AM Post #15 |
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Open your eyes, your ears and most of all open your mind. I could to some extent understand the Tory faithful in the 1980s, but with over thirty years of hindsight there is absolutely no excuse for anyone failing to recognise the economic and social damage done by that extremist. What I posted was the truth. "less social division" ? The 'winter of discontent' ? Under Thatcher, a decade of increased r/poverty, nearly a decade of 3m unempl----- Oh, but what's the use, you have seen all the evidence before but you choose to ignore it. Edited by C-too, Nov 7 2015, 11:41 AM.
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| C-too | Nov 7 2015, 11:46 AM Post #16 |
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YES, but not from an international financial tsunami that still has the world by the short and curlies 7 years after the event. Edited by C-too, Nov 7 2015, 11:47 AM.
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| Lewis | Nov 7 2015, 11:49 AM Post #17 |
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I can't see a single verifiable or substantive fact in this diatribe. |
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| RJD | Nov 7 2015, 11:54 AM Post #18 |
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You are very confused. Osborne was criticised for having aspirations and you implied that NL delivered when it put us in jeopardy. Me thinks you are very confused by the actuality of the situation. |
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| RJD | Nov 7 2015, 11:55 AM Post #19 |
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No it was running a Public Sector costing ~50% of GDP when receipts were ~37.5% and hence racking up debts. That might be prudent in your book but it is not in mine. |
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| C-too | Nov 7 2015, 11:57 AM Post #20 |
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Why have you ignored my post ? |
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| RJD | Nov 7 2015, 12:02 PM Post #21 |
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Best you read a little without red filtered spectacles. You offer absolutely zero proof and all the evidence is opposite to your claims. It is not worth me listing all of the evidence to disprove your Red Nag mythology as there is insufficient timer and bandwidth. Have we had a recurrence of the Winter of Discontent? Are industrial strikes in the last decade or so on a par with that which we all suffered in the 1970s? Is Average Joe financially better off post 1997 than pre 1979? Just start with the simple questions and when you understand those then move on. Please do not confuse the fact that the UK has to make a living in an increasingly global market. |
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| RJD | Nov 7 2015, 12:08 PM Post #22 |
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Not at all. Did you understand what you wrote? I agree 7 years is a long time, but just compare where the UK is compared with the rest of the EZ and reflect on the fact that you and others screamed for a reduction and attenuation of the medicine necessary to cure our economic difficulties. I think there is a stench of hypocrisy in your claims. Just look at all the current economic indicators and then engage your brain and recognise that the UK is not isolated from the economic activities of the ROW. If the EZ was not in such a mess and enjoyed the economic activity of similar to UK then we would also benefit. It is all relative and yes, under this Gov. the UK is, relatively speaking doing quite nicely. |
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| Affa | Nov 7 2015, 12:10 PM Post #23 |
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Here folks is more proof of the duplicity of RJD. Not only does he present a false figure for pre recession public spending, he even fasifies the level of spending post crisis ........ and ignores that pre-crisis spending was lower than in the previous decade under his beloved Tories. |
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| RJD | Nov 7 2015, 12:18 PM Post #24 |
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I see in your ignorance you avoided showing "receipts". It is the excess of spending above receipts that are the problem. |
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| RJD | Nov 7 2015, 12:25 PM Post #25 |
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![]() What did I say? ![]() What did I say? |
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| Tigger | Nov 7 2015, 12:26 PM Post #26 |
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Earth calling RCD, earth calling RCD, the exact opposite was true you numptytard! |
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| Steve K | Nov 7 2015, 12:30 PM Post #27 |
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Can we all tone the language down please |
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| RJD | Nov 7 2015, 12:32 PM Post #28 |
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Why? Don't the facts speak for themselves? If anyone has evidence that there has been a conspiracy in the creation of the above graphs to delude Joe Public then they are free to offer up evidence. |
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| Malum Unus | Nov 7 2015, 12:37 PM Post #29 |
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Your relationship to facts is exactly the same as C-too's IE total rejection. You just reject a different set than he does. |
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| Steve K | Nov 7 2015, 12:45 PM Post #30 |
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Yes a chart that shows very well who the true incompetents were. George and Ed It's even worse when we also know those 2002-2008 receipts were unsustainably boosted by stupid levels of household debt fuelled spending |
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| Deleted User | Nov 7 2015, 12:48 PM Post #31 |
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My Goal is to make love to Kate Winslet until she passes out. I think the chances of achieving my goal are as slim as George's. |
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| RJD | Nov 7 2015, 12:56 PM Post #32 |
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Possibly but you speak from self knowledge. My chances might be a lot greater. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 7 2015, 12:59 PM Post #33 |
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If you put rohypnol in her drink after getting her into the Red Nag. |
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| RJD | Nov 7 2015, 01:31 PM Post #34 |
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If she has a preference for the ambiance of the Red Nag they I am afraid I will have something of a erectile disfunction. Not my sort of girl. I like a bit of class. |
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| skwirked | Nov 7 2015, 01:33 PM Post #35 |
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Yup. Edited by skwirked, Nov 7 2015, 01:34 PM.
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| Affa | Nov 7 2015, 01:36 PM Post #36 |
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You mean the gap between spending and receipts, usually called the 'deficit' ![]() This graph shows how the UK's budget deficit has fluctuated as a percentage of the country's economic output (GDP): So once again, no extraordinary sign of spending more than could be afforded prior to the banks screwing up. And the ~50% spend still not in evidence under Labour ... and less than previously seen I am not here arguing that Labour did not spend more than they should, and they did borrow when it was more prudent either not to or to raise taxes - the tax burden being uncommonly low (as it is now). We can assume that taxes were kept low both then and now for political reasons and that it is easier to borrow than it is to increase incomes through taxation in that political context. Edited by Affa, Nov 7 2015, 01:48 PM.
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| RJD | Nov 7 2015, 01:46 PM Post #37 |
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Yep it is a percentage. Best look at absolutes you see it is absolutes that Governments spend. All, you have shown is that the amount of expenditure has varied according to GDP and nothing there disproves my claim. You must get it out of your head that just because previous Governments cocked it up then that excuses NL of doing the same. It doesn't. My claim remains: NL were not prudent with our finances. What makes it worse is that they were not profligate during a downturn which might be understandable, but in the opposite situation. I want the Gov., any Gov., to support the convention of sound money and apply the Golden Rule. I do not want my grandchildren to have to pay for that which is consumed, much from abroad, today. That is immoral and despicable and only brain dead Deficit Deniers would support such nonsense. |
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| Tigger | Nov 7 2015, 01:52 PM Post #38 |
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Yet you applaud a government that has doubled the national debt and has just taken out a fresh set of 100 year bonds? Very strange indeed..........
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| Deleted User | Nov 7 2015, 02:29 PM Post #39 |
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Well I have taken the Red Nag to be a mythical pub where bullshit and gossip was paramount ,regardless of political leanings. Shall I call the mythical pub that you seem to frequent the Blue nag? or perhaps the Bullshit and bush? |
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| C-too | Nov 7 2015, 04:42 PM Post #40 |
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RJD. A decade of discontent under Thatcher with many riots, millions thrown our of work and forgotten, the rich got rich and the poor got poorer, crime and vandalism up, suicides up. Crap up, goodness down. The facts have been shown many times, yet here we are thirty years on, and many of the Thatcher faithful are still in denial.
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