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Public Sector Pay
Topic Started: Nov 19 2015, 12:21 PM (218 Views)
RJD
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Now listening to the gossip in the Red Nag one would have thought that the "austerity", such that it is, has all been borne by those nice people employed with the Public Purse.

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‘Many people will be surprised that public sector pay is still rising faster, despite the volume of noise from the trade unions.



Funny is it not that the volume of noise from the "no cuts to Public Sopending we do not give a sh1t who pays" quarter is not fuelled by evidence, so what is it fuelled with?

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The old argument used to be that public sector pay lagged behind the private sector, but that this was countered by their gold plated pension scheme. But now the boot is truly on the other foot. Not only has public sector pay now outstripped that of the private sector, but they still retain their pension scheme; subsidised in large measure by the private sector wage earner. Funny old world when the wealth creators subsidise the wealth consumers.
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Nov 19 2015, 12:21 PM
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Now listening to the gossip in the Red Nag one would have thought that the "austerity", such that it is, has all been borne by those nice people employed with the Public Purse.

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‘Many people will be surprised that public sector pay is still rising faster, despite the volume of noise from the trade unions.



Funny is it not that the volume of noise from the "no cuts to Public Sopending we do not give a sh1t who pays" quarter is not fuelled by evidence, so what is it fuelled with?

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Minuscule to what the private sector have in subsidies so they can pay LOW WAGES..
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RJD
Nov 19 2015, 12:21 PM

Now listening to the gossip in the Red Nag one would have thought that the "austerity", such that it is, has all been borne by those nice people employed with the Public Purse.

Typical Tory tactic of inventing a reason to decry public sector employees where there is none.
Most I'm sure accept that Private sector pay is artificially driven down by the vast majority of low skilled, low paid, employees on NMW - particularly the under 21s working in KFC, McDonalds etc.

All Hail the Private Sector - Down with Public Sector Parasites. is the mantra!



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Nov 19 2015, 02:36 PM
RJD
Nov 19 2015, 12:21 PM

Now listening to the gossip in the Red Nag one would have thought that the "austerity", such that it is, has all been borne by those nice people employed with the Public Purse.

Typical Tory tactic of inventing a reason to decry public sector employees where there is none.
Most I'm sure accept that Private sector pay is artificially driven down by the vast majority of low skilled, low paid, employees on NMW - particularly the under 21s working in KFC, McDonalds etc.

All Hail the Private Sector - Down with Public Sector Parasites. is the mantra!



Lets hope they never need an ambulance or the fire service Affa..
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It should be pointed out public sector pay has been frozen or restricted to a 1% rise for the next several years by the current government.
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Nov 19 2015, 02:42 PM
It should be pointed out public sector pay has been frozen or restricted to a 1% rise for the next several years by the current government.

Not for MPs it hasn't - or council leaders likewise awarding themselves inflation busting pay rises.

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http://www.ifs.org.uk/uploads/publications/comms/r97.pdf

Simple, explains why.
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Nov 19 2015, 03:29 PM
Quite all is not what appears to be:-

Average Pay in Public and Private Sectors
 In raw terms, pay levels are higher in the public sector than in the private sector. However, after accounting for differences in education, age and where workers live, the differences are much smaller. Among men, the average public sector pay differential in 2013–14 was close to zero, while among women it was around 8%.
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RJD
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Nov 19 2015, 02:36 PM
RJD
Nov 19 2015, 12:21 PM

Now listening to the gossip in the Red Nag one would have thought that the "austerity", such that it is, has all been borne by those nice people employed with the Public Purse.

Typical Tory tactic of inventing a reason to decry public sector employees where there is none.
Most I'm sure accept that Private sector pay is artificially driven down by the vast majority of low skilled, low paid, employees on NMW - particularly the under 21s working in KFC, McDonalds etc.

All Hail the Private Sector - Down with Public Sector Parasites. is the mantra!



Rubbish. Just pointing out the crap that emanates out of the mouths of Public Sector Unions and many employed in that sector. They are shielded from the reality of the real World, the chill wind of global competition must not cool their backs, austerity is for others not fort them. Yes their very jobs each and every one of them is totally dependent on the activities of the Private Sector.

Once upon a time it was understood and accepted that Public Sector Workers would receive lower wage rates as this was fully compensated by superior job protection, gold plated Pensions and early retirement. Times have changed and they need to change again.
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Nov 19 2015, 03:29 PM
The increase differential is since the date of that report.

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RJD
Nov 19 2015, 04:08 PM
Affa
Nov 19 2015, 02:36 PM
RJD
Nov 19 2015, 12:21 PM

Now listening to the gossip in the Red Nag one would have thought that the "austerity", such that it is, has all been borne by those nice people employed with the Public Purse.

Typical Tory tactic of inventing a reason to decry public sector employees where there is none.
Most I'm sure accept that Private sector pay is artificially driven down by the vast majority of low skilled, low paid, employees on NMW - particularly the under 21s working in KFC, McDonalds etc.

All Hail the Private Sector - Down with Public Sector Parasites. is the mantra!



Rubbish. Just pointing out the crap that emanates out of the mouths of Public Sector Unions and many employed in that sector. They are shielded from the reality of the real World, the chill wind of global competition must not cool their backs, austerity is for others not fort them. Yes their very jobs each and every one of them is totally dependent on the activities of the Private Sector.

Once upon a time it was understood and accepted that Public Sector Workers would receive lower wage rates as this was fully compensated by superior job protection, gold plated Pensions and early retirement. Times have changed and they need to change again.
Here is what is rubbish:

"They are shielded from the reality of the real World, the chill wind of global competition must not cool their backs, austerity is for others not fort them"

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2012/mar/14/osborne-austerity-270000-public-sector-jobs

270,000 people lost their jobs.
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RJD
Nov 19 2015, 04:10 PM
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Nov 19 2015, 03:29 PM
The increase differential is since the date of that report.

I think it's very relevant to discuss why the various proportions of the various sectors on both sides have wage differentials.

The data in the report is recent enough, surely?

Or has there been a sudden 'spurt' in Public Sector pay?

Not really.
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Nov 19 2015, 04:24 PM
RJD
Nov 19 2015, 04:10 PM
ranger121
Nov 19 2015, 03:29 PM
The increase differential is since the date of that report.

I think it's very relevant to discuss why the various proportions of the various sectors on both sides have wage differentials.

The data in the report is recent enough, surely?

Or has there been a sudden 'spurt' in Public Sector pay?

Not really.
True, but the differential continues to increase under a Tory Gov. accused by the Unions of putting a clamp on. Who is being clamped and who is not? Surely the none clamped in the Public Sector are therefore doing at lot better than their counterparts who are subject to stiff competition for jobs and pay rises.

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Nov 19 2015, 04:28 PM
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Nov 19 2015, 04:24 PM
RJD
Nov 19 2015, 04:10 PM
I think it's very relevant to discuss why the various proportions of the various sectors on both sides have wage differentials.

The data in the report is recent enough, surely?

Or has there been a sudden 'spurt' in Public Sector pay?

Not really.
True, but the differential continues to increase under a Tory Gov. accused by the Unions of putting a clamp on. Who is being clamped and who is not? Surely the none clamped in the Public Sector are therefore doing at lot better than their counterparts who are subject to stiff competition for jobs and pay rises.

The overwhelming majority of public sector employees have only received minimal pay increases amounting to 1% per annum. Maybe there has been higher increases for those at the top of the tree, as those seem to be exempt from these constraints and also increased payroll costs imposed by the incompetents.
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