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The most dishonest Politician
Topic Started: Nov 21 2015, 08:19 AM (828 Views)
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Every claim they made was false. Jeremy Corbyn and the left he comes from cannot campaign for office by saying what they really think or they would horrify the bulk of the population. They say enough to keep their ‘base’ happy, and then dodge and twist when they speak to the rest of us. Far from being authentic, Jeremy Corbyn is one of the most dishonest politicians you will see in your lifetime.


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It is not just Corbyn, McDonnell is at it as well. He calls for the disbandment of MI5, the Special Forces and disarmament of the Police. He denies this then is shown a picture of him holding up a socialist pre GE Manifesto which had as point 12 this exact claim. He the shifts ground and claimed he had not read the document. Funny though he attended a meeting to debate such.LINK

It is very amusing that the left portray these two as refreshing honest men of politics, they are in truth the exact opposite. The real truth is that they send coded signals to the already converted, the ones that have already signed up for their bonkers view of the World and seek to hide their true selves from the rest who they horrify.

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Presuming I'm on ignore (lol), but for my entertainment...

This is just another shabby waste of time hack job article from the serial poster of Tory tripe.

I am glad that supposedly intelligent Tories defer to the re press for their retarded, ill-informed opinions. It makes the case against them without anyone else needing to bother.
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Presuming I'm on ignore (lol), but for my entertainment...

This is just another shabby waste of time hack job article from the serial poster of Tory tripe.

I am glad that supposedly intelligent Tories defer to the re press for their retarded, ill-informed opinions. It makes the case against them without anyone else needing to bother.
Not yet on Ignore, but I note that as a Corbyn believer you do not even bother to look for substance in order to defend. The statements made by Corbyn and McDonnell are all in the public domain for your scrutiny if you dare to look. If you do then see if you can defend them, if not then best not make yourself look like a tribal fool.
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When it comes to picking the most dishonest politician, it appears the Tory front bench is way ahead of the field, but picking which one of those gets the prize for being the most dishonest lying bastard is difficult.
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Oh well, here's a different and credible slant.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/19/john-mcdonnell-denies-backing-call-to-end-mi5-and-disarm-police

Afterwards, a spokesman for McDonnell said he had thought he was posing with a copy of the SCLV’s general principles, which are a much more general statement of anti-austerity aims.

“John posed in good faith to stand with a copy of what he thought were the principles he signed up to and not the demands which he had never seen before yesterday,” he said.

“To reiterate John does not share these views. Only this week he has called for additional funding for the security services to support them in their vital work in defending our country.”

The SCLV also said McDonnell had spoken to one of their meetings in January about the importance of socialists supporting the Labour party, but he was not present for the discussion of the draft demands and had no involvement in drafting them.

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The SCLV said McDonnell’s signature was “attached to the general statement of principles, which he signed up to, and not to the list of specific demands, which he did not sign up to”.

“The demands were a matter of debate and discussion in the campaign and the movement; the general statement was the only thing people signed up to,” it said.


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Thanks for wasting my time.
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Sorry RJD the fact is there are so many just in LIVING memory who are SO far ahead of Corbyn in those stakes that he is just one of the 100-1 also rans lost in the crowd of back markers.

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Nov 21 2015, 08:49 AM
Oh well, here's a different and credible slant.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/19/john-mcdonnell-denies-backing-call-to-end-mi5-and-disarm-police

Afterwards, a spokesman for McDonnell said he had thought he was posing with a copy of the SCLV’s general principles, which are a much more general statement of anti-austerity aims.

“John posed in good faith to stand with a copy of what he thought were the principles he signed up to and not the demands which he had never seen before yesterday,” he said.

“To reiterate John does not share these views. Only this week he has called for additional funding for the security services to support them in their vital work in defending our country.”

The SCLV also said McDonnell had spoken to one of their meetings in January about the importance of socialists supporting the Labour party, but he was not present for the discussion of the draft demands and had no involvement in drafting them.

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The SCLV said McDonnell’s signature was “attached to the general statement of principles, which he signed up to, and not to the list of specific demands, which he did not sign up to”.

“The demands were a matter of debate and discussion in the campaign and the movement; the general statement was the only thing people signed up to,” it said.


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Thanks for wasting my time.
So you're choosing to paint the guy an an inept incompetent who is unable to work out how his image is going to be manipulated ...

Sorry, that's even less believeable than the original proposal
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All of the substantial allegations gainst Corbyn have been refuted as utterly nasty, pernicious sh1t-flinging.

The only allegations left are pathetic whines about sfa.

So in the main, Corbyn is pretty honest, too honest for westminster frankly.


jog:

"So you're choosing to paint the guy an an inept incompetent who is unable to work out how his image is going to be manipulated ..."

Well the SCLV debunked the allegations...
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I find his claim that he had not read that which he recommended to others and had debated with his peers risible and anyone who accepted such a statement from a Politician as extremely and foolishly naive. It is as if you are desperate to believe such obvious tosh.
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The staggering vacuity here...

In simple tribal speak to make it easy for you:

Telegraph say: "Way back in January Mr McDonnell not only attended the launch of the SCLV but he actually spoke at the [unspecified] meeting. "

SCLV say :

The SCLV also said McDonnell had spoken to one of their meetings in January about the importance of socialists supporting the Labour party, but he was not present for the discussion of the draft demands and had no involvement in drafting them.

The SCLV said McDonnell’s signature was “attached to the general statement of principles, which he signed up to, and not to the list of specific demands, which he did not sign up to”.

“The demands were a matter of debate and discussion in the campaign and the movement; the general statement was the only thing people signed up to,” it said.



Sunk in? Got it yet? I will put it in big font..1 sec.
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Nov 21 2015, 08:51 AM
Sorry RJD the fact is there are so many just in LIVING memory who are SO far ahead of Corbyn in those stakes that he is just one of the 100-1 also rans lost in the crowd of back markers.

Could be, but why not mention just a few?

Me I do not trust Politicians as a matter of principle. Corbyn appears now, to his surprise in the spotlight, just to be another squirming lefty. I mention here, before the GE, that the Labour Party had a good number of wannabe Communists in their ranks and C2 denied the truth of this. Now we can count them and that is a big rump.Seems like not a week goes by without Corbyn trying to squirm his way out of past stated positions. His techniques are well known and understood, like the "ground shifter" where when the Paris attacks were in the Press he boldly states, I paraphrase, "well the western Press didn't report the attacks taking place in the ME". Then later after being pressed he grudgingly let it out that his thoughts were with the French. Me I see Corbyn and his mates as a really nasty sly group of deluded wannabe Communists and find it difficult to understand how anyone could ally themselves with their credo.

I watch with bated breath the process that will take place of ridding the Labour Party of malcontents. Malcontents of the left or the right in that Party and I believe the lefties are the more ruthless and organised.




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When I noticed this thread I thought we were going to have a top 10 list

Oh well let's go for something controversial or maybe not.

It's difficult for polititions to be honest as they operate in a sector where doing so generally costs them votes. I don't think this is exclusive to the left, it spans all political parties. Maybe we need a new party called "The Honest Party" Not sure where they would find a leader.
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I don't know about most dishonest (I highly doubt it) but there is a serious dishonesty about his promising an unaffordable future while plotting to destroy the national resources that deliver what we currently have. I am yet to see him apologise for the gross dishonesty of pretending a Richard Murphy had independently backed his financial plan when of course it was Murphy who'd written it.

Sadly the press seem to attack him on niff naff issues, too often using misrepresentation themselves.

So as a balancer, the Corbynistas might be pleasantly surprised by last weekend's piece by Clarkson

"I’m getting a bit bored with the endless criticism of Labour’s little beardy man. And embarrassed, actually. Because he seems a nice chap, and endless criticism of every single thing he does will be driving him mad with despair."

Just click Spoiler below to reveal the whole article.

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(The Watsonistas might be right royally pissed off by it though)
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Nov 21 2015, 08:49 AM
Oh well, here's a different and credible slant.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/19/john-mcdonnell-denies-backing-call-to-end-mi5-and-disarm-police

Afterwards, a spokesman for McDonnell said he had thought he was posing with a copy of the SCLV’s general principles, which are a much more general statement of anti-austerity aims.

“John posed in good faith to stand with a copy of what he thought were the principles he signed up to and not the demands which he had never seen before yesterday,” he said.

“To reiterate John does not share these views. Only this week he has called for additional funding for the security services to support them in their vital work in defending our country.” . ..
So McDonnell is just completely naive then with serial form for foot in mouth and a charlatan for standing for higher office knowing he was completely unfit.

Not great really
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Ah yes one of your 3: Clarkson, Mrs Raccoon ( I take back what I said - some of her texts are really excellent) and obnoxio (OH/L too I presume, you have a thing for loony libertarians as do I).

No that's a great article re Corbyn. The Watson stuff is typical BYW he fully apologised did he not..?
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So McDonnell is just completely naive then with serial form for foot in mouth and a charlatan for standing for higher office knowing he was completely unfit.


He held a doc he didn't look at, sign or draft thinking it was a gen statememt.

What's your massive issue with that?
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Nov 21 2015, 08:51 AM
Sorry RJD the fact is there are so many just in LIVING memory who are SO far ahead of Corbyn in those stakes that he is just one of the 100-1 also rans lost in the crowd of back markers.

Yes indeed and the biggest liar of the lost is Scameron!
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Yes indeed and the biggest liar of the lost is Scameron!
"We are all in this together" "We will not cut working tax credit."
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Sorry RJD the fact is there are so many just in LIVING memory who are SO far ahead of Corbyn in those stakes that he is just one of the 100-1 also rans lost in the crowd of back markers.

Yes indeed and the biggest liar of the lost is Scameron!
Cameron won the election with a series of lies. Parliament should be suspended and investigated for lying to the electorate about Child Tax credits, about building more affordable houses, about building better infrastructure then scrapping the agreed plans after the election. The list goes on.

A bloody disgrace.
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And where there is despair, may we bring hope." --

Thatcher 1979, way out front. It really does seem to me to be the case that the further to the left or to the right of politics, the greater politicians rely on naivety and deception.
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So McDonnell is just completely naive then with serial form for foot in mouth and a charlatan for standing for higher office knowing he was completely unfit.


He held a doc he didn't look at, sign or draft thinking it was a gen statememt.

What's your massive issue with that?
I'm sure Steve will be along to speak for himself, but the "massive issue" **I** see is the one I stated about five posts back.

The guy participates in a photo opportunity, not a spontaneous snap but a stage managed photo opportunity, the output of which he knows will be used to promote the cause for which he chooses to associate himself with, and as part of the pose he is asked to strike for the cameras he is handed a document to hold as part of the package, and he now admits he did not actually even cast a glance at what he was given

And you don't think that was a breathtakingly stupid thing to do.

You may not think it a massive issue.

In a world where actions deeds and content held sway over airbrushed photoshopped content it would not be.

But we don't live in such a world. We live in one where a sole 140 character toowit-tootwat or a single post on arsebook does more to make or break a political career than a year of door to door canvassing could do.
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Nov 21 2015, 12:22 PM
--""Where there is discord, may we bring harmony.
Where there is error, may we bring truth.
Where there is doubt, may we bring faith.
And where there is despair, may we bring hope." --

Thatcher 1979, way out front. It really does seem to me to be the case that the further to the left or to the right of politics, the greater politicians rely on naivety and deception.
And there was her inner cities lie

Several of her cabinet were !=== too
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It was pretty stupid but the sun would find equally fucktarded things to pin to Corbyn, Donnell and co anyway. In the grand scheme of things, is it better or worse than so much bollocks the Tories and other lame-brain Labourites have spouted?
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Nov 21 2015, 08:24 AM
Presuming I'm on ignore (lol), but for my entertainment...

This is just another shabby waste of time hack job article from the serial poster of Tory tripe.

I am glad that supposedly intelligent Tories defer to the re press for their retarded, ill-informed opinions. It makes the case against them without anyone else needing to bother.
The only question to answer is, is it true and the reporting accurate? If the facts are as reported it has to be true.
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Nov 21 2015, 11:01 AM
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So McDonnell is just completely naive then with serial form for foot in mouth and a charlatan for standing for higher office knowing he was completely unfit.


He held a doc he didn't look at, sign or draft thinking it was a gen statememt.

What's your massive issue with that?
I'm sure Steve will be along to speak for himself, but the "massive issue" **I** see is the one I stated about five posts back.

The guy participates in a photo opportunity, not a spontaneous snap but a stage managed photo opportunity, the output of which he knows will be used to promote the cause for which he chooses to associate himself with, and as part of the pose he is asked to strike for the cameras he is handed a document to hold as part of the package, and he now admits he did not actually even cast a glance at what he was given

And you don't think that was a breathtakingly stupid thing to do.

You may not think it a massive issue.

In a world where actions deeds and content held sway over airbrushed photoshopped content it would not be.

But we don't live in such a world. We live in one where a sole 140 character toowit-tootwat or a single post on arsebook does more to make or break a political career than a year of door to door canvassing could do.
Exactly

McDonnell is a classic example of a fringe politician grabbing every opportunity to grab attention and all too rarely thinking.

He aspires to a senior office of state, I wouldn't trust him with a whelk stall. They should have picked Eagle(A)
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The staggering vacuity here...

In simple tribal speak to make it easy for you:

Telegraph say: "Way back in January Mr McDonnell not only attended the launch of the SCLV but he actually spoke at the [unspecified] meeting. "

SCLV say :

The SCLV also said McDonnell had spoken to one of their meetings in January about the importance of socialists supporting the Labour party, but he was not present for the discussion of the draft demands and had no involvement in drafting them.

The SCLV said McDonnell’s signature was “attached to the general statement of principles, which he signed up to, and not to the list of specific demands, which he did not sign up to”.

“The demands were a matter of debate and discussion in the campaign and the movement; the general statement was the only thing people signed up to,” it said.



Sunk in? Got it yet? I will put it in big font..1 sec.
Can you slow it down please for your spinning is making me dizzy.
It seems you are very close to the central action.
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Nov 21 2015, 11:01 AM

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I'm sure Steve will be along to speak for himself, but the "massive issue" **I** see is the one I stated about five posts back.

The guy participates in a photo opportunity, not a spontaneous snap but a stage managed photo opportunity, the output of which he knows will be used to promote the cause for which he chooses to associate himself with, and as part of the pose he is asked to strike for the cameras he is handed a document to hold as part of the package, and he now admits he did not actually even cast a glance at what he was given

And you don't think that was a breathtakingly stupid thing to do.

You may not think it a massive issue.

In a world where actions deeds and content held sway over airbrushed photoshopped content it would not be.

But we don't live in such a world. We live in one where a sole 140 character toowit-tootwat or a single post on arsebook does more to make or break a political career than a year of door to door canvassing could do.
Exactly

McDonnell is a classic example of a fringe politician grabbing every opportunity to grab attention and all too rarely thinking.

He aspires to a senior office of state, I wouldn't trust him with a whelk stall. They should have picked Eagle(A)
If he doesn't make himself known, the fickle electorate won't even register Lab on their radar.

The Sun would have found something else equally as idiotic to pin on him? Y/N?
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Nov 21 2015, 01:18 PM
If he doesn't make himself known, the fickle electorate won't even register Lab on their radar.

The Sun would have found something else equally as idiotic to pin on him? Y/N?
So anything is OK if it grabs attention or support? :nono:

Let's give him a bit more attention shall we

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Not fit to run a whelk stall and there were so many better left wing options available to Corbyn
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Nov 21 2015, 09:06 AM
The staggering vacuity here...

In simple tribal speak to make it easy for you:

Telegraph say: "Way back in January Mr McDonnell not only attended the launch of the SCLV but he actually spoke at the [unspecified] meeting. "

SCLV say :

The SCLV also said McDonnell had spoken to one of their meetings in January about the importance of socialists supporting the Labour party, but he was not present for the discussion of the draft demands and had no involvement in drafting them.

The SCLV said McDonnell’s signature was “attached to the general statement of principles, which he signed up to, and not to the list of specific demands, which he did not sign up to”.

“The demands were a matter of debate and discussion in the campaign and the movement; the general statement was the only thing people signed up to,” it said.



Sunk in? Got it yet? I will put it in big font..1 sec.
Can you slow it down please for your spinning is making me dizzy.
It seems you are very close to the central action.
Maybe stop drinking the funny sauce? The second bit just reads like a drunken rambling.

Try reading the links provided then you'll understand. !wav! or not..
Edited by skwirked, Nov 21 2015, 01:32 PM.
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Nov 21 2015, 01:18 PM
If he doesn't make himself known, the fickle electorate won't even register Lab on their radar.

The Sun would have found something else equally as idiotic to pin on him? Y/N?
So anything is OK if it grabs attention or support? :nono:

Let's give him a bit more attention shall we

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Not fit to run a whelk stall and there were so many better left wing options available to Corbyn
Most whelk stall owners tend to be fat in my experience.

(paxo mode) Are you going to answer the Q? It's a simple question! The Sun would have found something else equally as idiotic to pin on him? Y/N?
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Maybe stop drinking the funny sauce? The second bit just reads like a drunken rambling.

Try reading the links provided then you'll understand. !wav! or not..
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Nov 21 2015, 09:00 AM
I find his claim that he had not read that which he recommended to others and had debated with his peers risible and anyone who accepted such a statement from a Politician as extremely and foolishly naive. It is as if you are desperate to believe such obvious tosh.
It would probably be a good idea on your part to firstly have the blinkers surgically removed followed by a remedial course in objective reading, this for example could be as simple as cross referencing the reports you routinely lift from the Telegraph.

File under river of monotone drivel.
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(paxo mode) Are you going to answer the Q? It's a simple question! The Sun would have found something else equally as idiotic to pin on him? Y/N?
With such a rich source of idiotic actions by McDonnell they would certainly have found that so easy and of course they would
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Please point to this "rich source of idiotic actions". I am expecting proper belly laughs nothing less please.
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Nov 21 2015, 12:22 PM
--""Where there is discord, may we bring harmony.
Where there is error, may we bring truth.
Where there is doubt, may we bring faith.
And where there is despair, may we bring hope." --

Thatcher 1979, way out front. It really does seem to me to be the case that the further to the left or to the right of politics, the greater politicians rely on naivety and deception.
The Devil will have her permanently stoking the fires of hell over that quote, although one day she'll get some help from you know who........ ;-)
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Not so much dishonest as being economical with the truth. The smile on the face of the tiger, perhaps. But if anyone really thinks that when McDonnell was photographed holding that pamphlet he didn't know what it was all about, then they are not only useful idiots, but simple ones, to boot.
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Nov 21 2015, 01:51 PM
But if anyone really thinks that when McDonnell was photographed holding that pamphlet he didn't know what it was all about, then they are not only useful idiots, but simple ones, to boot.
I'm reminded of the Major government and the Maastrict Treaty.

Definitely simple.......... ;-)
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Exactly

McDonnell is a classic example of a fringe politician grabbing every opportunity to grab attention and all too rarely thinking.

He aspires to a senior office of state, I wouldn't trust him with a whelk stall. They should have picked Eagle(A)
If he doesn't make himself known, the fickle electorate won't even register Lab on their radar.

The Sun would have found something else equally as idiotic to pin on him? Y/N?
His trouble is that as he becomes well known and his agenda revealed he loses support, not gains it. For him and Corbyn it is a catch 22 situation. I don't think it really matters for I foresee either a split in the Labour party or a complete change in its leadership, but not too soon please.
If the leadership changes we shall see how Corbyn will be condemned, and the new leader praised as the new messiah.
Plenty of time for change, only another 4+ years to go to the next GE.
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I'm often reminded of similar predictions back in 2006-7 on how the Conservative party had become an irrelevance with no way back in power, the economy was seemingly ticking over nicely and the Tories were still winding themselves up over Europe and how to out grovel NL in the City.

Keep in mind that when the economy comes crashing down, and mark my words it will, because Osborne played with fire to win the last GE, Corbyn and his "naive" strategy of holding the powerful and wealthy to account will seem like complete common sense........
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