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| The most dishonest Politician | |
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| Topic Started: Nov 21 2015, 08:19 AM (829 Views) | |
| RJD | Nov 21 2015, 08:19 AM Post #1 |
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LINK It is not just Corbyn, McDonnell is at it as well. He calls for the disbandment of MI5, the Special Forces and disarmament of the Police. He denies this then is shown a picture of him holding up a socialist pre GE Manifesto which had as point 12 this exact claim. He the shifts ground and claimed he had not read the document. Funny though he attended a meeting to debate such.LINK It is very amusing that the left portray these two as refreshing honest men of politics, they are in truth the exact opposite. The real truth is that they send coded signals to the already converted, the ones that have already signed up for their bonkers view of the World and seek to hide their true selves from the rest who they horrify. |
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| johnofgwent | Nov 21 2015, 02:22 PM Post #41 |
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Was it really all that "idiotic" a thing to pin on him ? I don't know. Would they have found something else ? Well maybe they would, maybe they would not. Look, all I am really saying is that I expect the man (or woman) who aspires to be deputy prime minister to either have a little more foresight about the circumstances in which his promotional publicity material is produced OR to come up with a better set of excuses than he did when his idiotic failure to engage brain before smiling for the camera is exposed. But given the way numerous assholes on all sides ended up eating egg on face pie for things they said on social media after the long campaign was declared open, it clearly is too much to expect today's politicians to display that degree of forward thinking. And it's not as if he's going to be going to hell for it anytime soon, well, not in a world where cabinet ministers get promotion AFTER posting a selfie in a positively grubby looking pair of underpants on a gay dating site. Time was when MI5 used to keep the negatives of such so that when Boris and Natasha tried a sting operation they could muscle in on the bargaining and say "oh, you mean you've got THOSE photos of the minister .. my they're a bit out of focus the copying process must have buggered the images because look, the originals we've got in our files are far clearer, look here ..." And hey, he's not likely to go to hell for it, after all, the Pope got hit by a similar sting operation (with a poster saying "las malvinas sont argentine", i mean, not a pose in his underpants) did he not. |
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| Steve K | Nov 21 2015, 02:33 PM Post #42 |
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| skwirked | Nov 21 2015, 02:36 PM Post #43 |
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FFS. |
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| RJD | Nov 21 2015, 04:59 PM Post #44 |
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I must admit that was a gut churning moment and I wish the great Lady had never said such words in such an insincere political fashion. I really do dislike preachy Politicians. |
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| RJD | Nov 21 2015, 05:07 PM Post #45 |
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I find it remarkable that anyone can believe the claim that he had not read the document which he endorsed and debated. Just another Politician taking us for fools and knowing that his tribe will swallow just about anything. Politicians generally are very careful about what it is they lend their name. You really do need to be very naive to believe his obvious bs. What did the document propose: Stop and reverse the cuts. Make the rich pay to rebuild public services. Tax the rich! Expropriate the banks! A decent income for everyone: attack inequality and precariousness. Tax the rich, curb high pay. Nationalise companies that axe jobs; create decent, secure jobs in the public sector. Wage rises that at least match inflation for all workers. Raise the National Minimum Wage to the Living Wage. Full, equal rights for part-time and agency workers; ban zero hours contracts. Stop the war on the poor, unemployed and disabled: decent benefits. Good pensions for all, public or private, at no older than 60. Rebuild the NHS. A comprehensive public health service providing high quality care for all, not a logo above a marketplace of profit-making companies. End outsourcing, marketisation and PFI. A free, public social care system. End privatisation and outsourcing. Expand public ownership, starting with the railways, Royal Mail, the energy companies and other utilities, under democratic and workers’ control. Stop scapegoating migrants. Freedom of movement and equal rights for all. End deportations and detention. Promote workers’ rights. Scrap the anti-union laws. Introduce strong rights to strike, picket and take solidarity action, and for union recognition and collective bargaining, in individual units and sectorally. End the housing crisis. Build millions of council houses. Repopulate empty homes and estates; take over property left empty; tax second homes; end the sell-off of public land. Control rents. Free education. A good local, comprehensive school for every child. Abolish “free schools”, academies, grammar schools, public funding for religious schools. Reverse cuts in FE. Scrap tuition fees, a living grant for every student. Reverse cuts to Sure Start, invest in early years education. Strong action for equality. Crack down on police and state racism. Ensure and make real civil rights for LGBT, black, disabled people and women, and expanded social provision and redistribution to fight inequality. Universal, free public childcare and nursery provision so no parent is forced to choose between work and care. Ensure equal pay and a Living Wage for all. Free abortion on demand. Slash military spending: scrap Trident. Aid for working-class and democratic movements around the world, not support for dictatorships and imperialism. Drive down carbon emissions. Public investment in renewable energy and energy efficiency. Stop fracking. A public, integrated transport system with radically reduced fares. Workers’ plans for a just transition to a sustainable economy. Expand democracy. A federal republic of Britain: abolish the monarchy and House of Lords. Votes at 16. Re-empower local government. Extend civil liberties and rights to organise and protest. Disband MI5 and special police squads, disarm the police. MPs should only be paid a worker’s wage. What is there here that McDonnell would not support? I must admit I like the last one. |
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| Affa | Nov 21 2015, 05:37 PM Post #46 |
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I' with JoG on this. McDonnell was either stupid or incompetent ..... or both! However; I am curious as to who would SteveK trust to run a whelk stall? As politicians go, being stupid and or incompetent seems par for the course. Being a liar however is reserved more for those nearer the top, the ones that rule, that lecture, that determine policy. The higher up they are the more damaging are their lies! Which of course places McD very far down the list of 'most dishonest'. |
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| Steve K | Nov 21 2015, 06:27 PM Post #47 |
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Just about all here incl you and probably Tigger if I had to have someone run one to save my life. Not me though, damn things make me But we digress |
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| Jonksy | Nov 21 2015, 09:05 PM Post #48 |
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You couldn't get anyone more dishonest than cameron or osborne.. |
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| Jonksy | Nov 21 2015, 09:11 PM Post #49 |
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Is that true that the bitch reincarnated as the Ebola epidemic? |
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| RJD | Nov 22 2015, 09:23 AM Post #50 |
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That is subjective. My subjective view is that he and Corbyn are among the most dishonest, but they are because they seek to deceive themselves. It is noticeable now that they are in the light that they are squirming to reconcile previously stated heart felt and politically motivated views with the Real Politik of the actuality. When the were Backbench irrelevance they could get away with saying anything they liked, but now they are being questioned for the first time, as a consequence, they are modifying their positions in the view of Joe Public and that is dangerous. Just look how much Corbyn's limited resonance with Joe Public has slumped. If he carries on in this way then the Tories are heading for a 100+ seat majority at the next GE. I note that after Putin Corbyn is the most distrusted. LINK The man is a fool. |
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| papasmurf | Nov 22 2015, 09:41 AM Post #51 |
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Iain Duncan Smith. |
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| skwirked | Nov 22 2015, 09:45 AM Post #52 |
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Well he voted for more defence spending as said 1000x times now. Enough idiocy, he clearly "would" NOT support the defence policy of the SLCV. He was pretty stupid to hold a random piece of paper in his hand but so fucking what? The Sun have found loads of other bollocks to try and beat him with and they would have found something else equally as sh1tty with which to attack him. Keep eating the crap the tabloids feed you.
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| johnofgwent | Nov 22 2015, 09:56 AM Post #53 |
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You clearly have not been employed by, or submitted a tender to supply goods or services to, a company that had Arnie Weinstock on its board. |
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| johnofgwent | Nov 22 2015, 10:00 AM Post #54 |
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If your images made some sense I might be able to decide whether I agreed with you or not. The story presented by your image is that Tim Farron is twice as unpopular as David Cameron yet more than three quarters of the people asked either don't give a flying fuck about him, or more likely don't have a fucking clue who he is Edited by johnofgwent, Nov 22 2015, 10:02 AM.
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| skwirked | Nov 22 2015, 10:07 AM Post #55 |
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The fact that they love BoJo so much should be a great cause for concern. Even dedicated lefty morons love BoJo. People; a fickle bunch of bloody idiots in the main. That's what that poll proves. |
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| Steve K | Nov 22 2015, 10:45 AM Post #56 |
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Made perfect sense to me. Farron is a nobody and when you ever do hear him speak you realise why. There is more leadership material in my cats litter tray than in him. Back on topic in my lifetime for most dishonest: Anthony Eden way way ahead of John Stonehouse and Jonathan Aitken tying for second place Nothing in recent history are anything like comparable, not even slimy Huhne |
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| RJD | Nov 22 2015, 11:08 AM Post #57 |
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Not a random piece of paper, but a Manifesto. You are blowing smoke. A Manifesto is an important policy statement and if you endorse such then you are recommending that we support such. Is their no limit to your excuse making. When will you hold those that you think should lead us to demonstrate serious responsibility? You are behaving just like a Corbynista. |
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| RJD | Nov 22 2015, 11:14 AM Post #58 |
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Not my images John. I thought you might know that I do not own a Polling Organisation. They are shown as no more than a link from those who claimed the results of their poll. However you are free to show the flaws, statistical or otherwise in their data. As for Farron why individuals voted the way they did I have no idea and I also do not give a sh1t. My point was wrt of Corbyn who will, if he continues in the same fashion, ensure a Tory 100+ seat majority at the next GE. My point is that he is either a Knave or a fool or both. |
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| skwirked | Nov 22 2015, 11:21 AM Post #59 |
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Your opinion of me is irrelevant. Let's try this, see if it helps: IF I saw a Tory MP attacked the way Corbyn has been (even Clarkson has jumped to his defence) I would jump to his or her defence. Believe or disbelieve it really does not matter to me.
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| RJD | Nov 22 2015, 11:30 AM Post #60 |
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Your opinions never seemed fixed, are mercurial, and in defending McDonnell claiming what he held up was just a random piece of paper positions you as his Apologist, an unthinking one at that. Now you seek just to shift ground. Not really interested in your academic response to an vague future undefined situation, but the way you, in a very tribalist manner, seek to defend the indefensible. You know you are wrong but lack the humility to even admit such to yourself. |
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| skwirked | Nov 22 2015, 11:42 AM Post #61 |
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Nope, he thought he was holding a random piece of paper in his hand. Your amusing attempts at 'any pop at him will do' just get sillier by the minute. Obviously I saw the pic Steve posted and the zoomed in version of it, I replied to that post. Do you still believe that the Tories represent you? By the way, here is my position on this one last time. After that I am done on this matter: He signed a gen statement, not the actual demands. He did not draft the demands or attend a meeting re discussion of the demands. He idiotically failed to read the piece of paper he was photographed holding and that makes him a moron. But no less a moron than loads of other politicians. Steve and JoG appear to accept these facts (except they think he is totally incompetent), why can't you? Oh wait I know why! |
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| RJD | Nov 22 2015, 11:53 AM Post #62 |
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skw: Nope, he thought he was holding a random piece of paper in his hand. Nope that was his excuse that cannot be proven or otherwise and you naively believe him. skw: Your amusing attempts at 'any pop at him will do' just get sillier by the minute. Not amusing, but extremely serious. This man and his Leader are being promoted by the Corbynistas as future PM and Chancellors. I do not see that as comedy although they are obviously a comedy act. skw: Obviously I saw the pic Steve posted and the zoomed in version of it, I replied to that post. ? skw: Do you still believe that the Tories represent you? I really do not give a sh1t if they do or don't as my days are numbered, I do however, believe they, at the moment, provide the best policies to benefit my grandchildren who are still in school but one day, I hope, will be able to avoid the unemployment queues. skw: By the way, here is my position on this one last time. After that I am done on this matter: He signed a gen statement, not the actual demands. He did not draft the demands or attend a meeting re discussion of the demands. He idiotically failed to read the piece of paper he was photographed holding and that makes him a moron. He is either a Knave or a fool or both, you choose. skw: But no less a moron than loads of other politicians. Steve and JoG appear to accept these facts (except they think he is totally incompetent), why can't you? Oh wait I know why! Not interested in any excuses based on relative subjective assessments only on absolute facts. Seeking to excuse him on the basis that others might be worse according to somebodies subjective opinion is a fools errand. Not for me, but for the likes of you. |
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| skwirked | Nov 22 2015, 12:58 PM Post #63 |
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Your reply is a complete waste of time. |
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| marybrown | Nov 22 2015, 01:26 PM Post #64 |
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I admire Corbyn..he is proposing to sit round the table with IS..and debate.. I'm all for this..we should send him over to Syria and unleash the corduroy wonder upon them.. Not sure if his chin will be in the same place if we get him back though!!..
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| Rich | Nov 22 2015, 01:29 PM Post #65 |
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Well Mary, it may come to pass that any UK citizen travelling from the UK to Syria to further the aims of IS, they will not be allowed back into the UK.......let us hope he goes and takes his idiotic shadow chancellor with him. |
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| marybrown | Nov 22 2015, 01:37 PM Post #66 |
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It should have come to pass a year ago that these people who went to Syria..with murder and mayhem on their minds should never be allowed back into the UK... And I have read..(don't know if it's true) that there are in fact dozens of wannabee IS supporters..who have left for Syria...found it is actually a brutal regime..and are to be seen waving British passports..imploring the British government to ''help them!''.. |
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| Jessamy Bride | Nov 22 2015, 01:51 PM Post #67 |
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How can you sign a piece of paper and not know what you are signing?...He has brought this upon himself.
The Lib dems were systematically destroyed........and no one bothered to say a thing. The Tories were better when they were tempered in the coalition.....and its no good realising that now. |
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| skwirked | Nov 22 2015, 01:54 PM Post #68 |
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Maybe because he didnt actually sign it as attested to by the sclv
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| marybrown | Nov 22 2015, 01:59 PM Post #69 |
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I don't think we need be worried about Corbyn being the next Prime Minister..as we all know that David Milliband will swoop about 6 months before.. Corbyn is just keeping the seat warm..
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| Jessamy Bride | Nov 22 2015, 02:14 PM Post #70 |
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I hope he does...He was the best hope for the Labour party They managed to elect his less able brother......and now they have elected someone who many people have no confidence in. Pick the right people FFS. |
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| marybrown | Nov 22 2015, 02:20 PM Post #71 |
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I was watching when Ed was picked..I couldn't believe it..
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| marybrown | Nov 22 2015, 02:22 PM Post #72 |
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And Diane Abbot?..she'll be filling her boots before she gets her arse kicked out.. |
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| Jessamy Bride | Nov 22 2015, 02:26 PM Post #73 |
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I couldn't either. No-one would vote for Abbot...given that she is bonkers. No-one would vote for Balls.....too loud and too rude. and of the Milibands....David was clearly the best candidate....So what on earth happened?......pfft. and now.......well, double pfft. How to destroy a party in a couple of stupid, self serving... steps. |
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| Steve K | Nov 22 2015, 02:27 PM Post #74 |
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Milliband D is a lightweight Chukka is Labour's best option |
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| Jessamy Bride | Nov 22 2015, 02:28 PM Post #75 |
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I would vote for Chukka |
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| skwirked | Nov 22 2015, 02:30 PM Post #76 |
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So you admit that you vote entirely based on the superficial personalities of politicians? No wonder this country is buggered. |
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| Rich | Nov 22 2015, 02:33 PM Post #77 |
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You know that and I know that and so does the rest of the country which is why Labour is now in the wilderness until such time as it faces up to reality and proposes credible policies to get this country back on track.....will it happen? eventually, yes, but until the labour movement as a whole admit to this then their return to office is in their hands, it is all very well the now well heeled and cosy nested retired grandees admitting where they fxxxxd up but that will not help their cause one bit whilst the party carries on in it's present vein. I think your reading of David Milliband is correct. The peoples who have chosen Corbyn, are in the main, those without responsibilities, ie, no families, no mortgages, probably on some form of benefits and yet they cannot see that their predicaments were brought about by the same party that the grandees admitted went very wrong. Mr Corbyns policies will only compound their troubles should he ever gain office (which is very doubtful, imo) |
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| Steve K | Nov 22 2015, 02:35 PM Post #78 |
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What a silly post ^ Chukka has shown he can he articulate persuasive and robust arguments that there is a better way than the Tories. Few others have. |
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| Jessamy Bride | Nov 22 2015, 02:36 PM Post #79 |
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Yes...I want someone strong.. who can lead the Country and who has solid capable policies for doing it. Not Mr Bumble...and his weasley side kick. The sooner they go the better imo. |
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| marybrown | Nov 22 2015, 02:39 PM Post #80 |
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I wouldn't have..he clearly has something to hide.. ''He was unprepared for the intense scrutiny he felt they came under as a result of his leadership ambitions.'' Why would you be afraid of ''Scrutiny??''.. Meanwhile still sitting in his ''Safe'' seat where no one will ask any questions..as long as he behaves himself..
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