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The most dishonest Politician
Topic Started: Nov 21 2015, 08:19 AM (826 Views)
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Every claim they made was false. Jeremy Corbyn and the left he comes from cannot campaign for office by saying what they really think or they would horrify the bulk of the population. They say enough to keep their ‘base’ happy, and then dodge and twist when they speak to the rest of us. Far from being authentic, Jeremy Corbyn is one of the most dishonest politicians you will see in your lifetime.


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It is not just Corbyn, McDonnell is at it as well. He calls for the disbandment of MI5, the Special Forces and disarmament of the Police. He denies this then is shown a picture of him holding up a socialist pre GE Manifesto which had as point 12 this exact claim. He the shifts ground and claimed he had not read the document. Funny though he attended a meeting to debate such.LINK

It is very amusing that the left portray these two as refreshing honest men of politics, they are in truth the exact opposite. The real truth is that they send coded signals to the already converted, the ones that have already signed up for their bonkers view of the World and seek to hide their true selves from the rest who they horrify.

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Nov 22 2015, 02:35 PM
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Nov 22 2015, 02:30 PM
Jessamy Bride
Nov 22 2015, 02:28 PM
I would vote for Chukka
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So you admit that you vote entirely based on the superficial personalities of politicians?

No wonder this country is buggered.
What a silly post ^

Chukka has shown he can he articulate persuasive and robust arguments that there is a better way than the Tories. Few others have.


A very silly post.

If it was directed at you....

Jessamy Bride
Nov 22 2015, 02:36 PM
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superficial personalities


Yes...I want someone strong.. who can lead the Country and who has solid capable policies for doing it.

Not Mr Bumble...and his weasley side kick.

The sooner they go the better imo.


Not everyone looks quite as deeply..


I don't mind Chukka I am just pointing out a fact.
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He is waiting on the back benches.
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As M points out he folded under pressure pretty quick, he's a lightweight. Still don't mind him too much.
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skwirked
Nov 22 2015, 02:43 PM
As M points out he folded under pressure pretty quick, he's a lightweight. Still don't mind him too much.
There were whisperings about him being gay..

Not that it makes any difference to a good politician..we've had many cupboard gays..

But being from Nigeria..that may affect his stance in the African community..
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With reference to the thread title - my answer is that politics is too target rich an environment to in fairness single just one person, or indeed one Party out.
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Nov 22 2015, 12:58 PM
Your reply is a complete waste of time.
Clearly when it comes to substantiated debate you only have a wet towel in your locker to throw into the ring. I take it that this is just another thread where you have failed to show any reasoned justification for your claims. This is getting to be a Corbynite habit.

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^ Ref #63.
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Nov 22 2015, 03:58 PM
^ Ref #63.
Yep vacuous. Until you learn to substantiate your claims then you will be hounded by those seeking to, via debate, get to the truth. You need to up your game.
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Nov 22 2015, 04:05 PM
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OK by me I can continue to demonstrate that you are without substance.
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Ref #63 (in general, from now on in)
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Nov 22 2015, 04:11 PM
Ref #63 (in general, from now on in)
Not for me I intend to prioritise your claims for scrutiny and lambast them when I see that they are totally devoid of any substantiation.
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Nov 22 2015, 04:17 PM
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In future when you see skw63 you will know that I am referring to extreme vacuity.

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Nov 22 2015, 02:39 PM
Jessamy Bride
Nov 22 2015, 02:28 PM
I would vote for Chukka
I wouldn't have..he clearly has something to hide..

''He was unprepared for the intense scrutiny he felt they came under as a result of his leadership ambitions.''

Why would you be afraid of ''Scrutiny??''..

Meanwhile still sitting in his ''Safe'' seat where no one will ask any questions..as long as he behaves himself.. ;D
What would you do if you'd just got a new partner and the more shabby tabloids were using (faux) public interest to seek out their sexual history and spurge it on the front pages?

I respect him for making her a higher priority than his career ambitions

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Nov 22 2015, 04:22 PM
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Nov 22 2015, 02:39 PM
Jessamy Bride
Nov 22 2015, 02:28 PM
I would vote for Chukka
I wouldn't have..he clearly has something to hide..

''He was unprepared for the intense scrutiny he felt they came under as a result of his leadership ambitions.''

Why would you be afraid of ''Scrutiny??''..

Meanwhile still sitting in his ''Safe'' seat where no one will ask any questions..as long as he behaves himself.. ;D
What would you do if you'd just got a new partner and the more shabby tabloids were using (faux) public interest to seek out their sexual history and spurge it on the front pages?

I respect him for making her a higher priority than his career ambitions

I think his sexual preferences are his private business and none of mine or anyone elses outside of his close family.
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Nov 22 2015, 02:27 PM
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Nov 22 2015, 02:14 PM
I hope he does...He was the best hope for the Labour party

They managed to elect his less able brother......and now they have elected someone who many people have no confidence in.

Pick the right people FFS.
Milliband D is a lightweight

Chukka is Labour's best option
Chukka certainly can communicate well, is intelligent, doesn't have a tendency to 'foot-in-mouth', but is it enough?
Being of the Blair mould, another pragmatist, isn't what the country needs ...... Clegg II in a coalition with the Tories would be the liKely outcome if Chukka were to lead Labour into the next GE.
Coalition governments could be the norm for now ........ but there's lots of time for things to become clearer for the electorate, time for it to get worse.

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Nov 22 2015, 03:44 PM
skwirked
Nov 22 2015, 12:58 PM
Your reply is a complete waste of time.
Clearly when it comes to substantiated debate you only have a wet towel in your locker to throw into the ring. I take it that this is just another thread where you have failed to show any reasoned justification for your claims. This is getting to be a Corbynite habit.

Perhaps you set your standards too high? :P nonetheless, keep up the good work of dragging out some alternatives from the naysayers, it is hard work but come 2020 they will HAVE to to come up with something AND it will have to be credible.
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Nov 22 2015, 06:02 PM

Perhaps you set your standards too high? :P nonetheless, keep up the good work of dragging out some alternatives from the naysayers, it is hard work but come 2020 they will HAVE to to come up with something AND it will have to be credible.

And yet the Tories have not been credible!
Nothing that they said would result has taken place in regards to solving problems .... in fact the problems have got worse ...... the debt, the NHS, policing, education.
All in crisis!
They didn't stand for election on making things worse, they have lost credibility .... and it will get worse still.


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Nov 22 2015, 06:13 PM
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Nov 22 2015, 06:02 PM

Perhaps you set your standards too high? :P nonetheless, keep up the good work of dragging out some alternatives from the naysayers, it is hard work but come 2020 they will HAVE to to come up with something AND it will have to be credible.

And yet the Tories have not been credible!
Nothing that they said would result has taken place in regards to solving problems .... in fact the problems have got worse ...... the debt, the NHS, policing, education.
All in crisis!
They didn't stand for election on making things worse, they have lost credibility .... and it will get worse still.


Yes, ones opinions cannot be denied, what they are TRYING to do is to carry out the promises in the manifesto that they were elected to do.

The fact that not enough Labour voters turned out or abstained from voting tells me that although they did not think much of the Tory manifesto, they certainly did not give credibility to the Labour manifesto.

Basically Affa, in this context you have no argument to put forth, the best thing you can do is try to persuade the the present rabble that masquerade as an opposition party to take a long hard look at themselves and to try and work out where it all went wrong, because as it stands, they are failing miserably in their duty to hold the government to account and your Mr Corbyn does himself no favours by acting as a proxy speaker at PMQ's by citing questions from the public, were he to have his finger on the pulse of society he would know himself what to say.
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Nov 22 2015, 02:33 PM
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I hope he does...He was the best hope for the Labour party

They managed to elect his less able brother......and now they have elected someone who many people have no confidence in.

Pick the right people FFS.
You know that and I know that and so does the rest of the country which is why Labour is now in the wilderness until such time as it faces up to reality and proposes credible policies to get this country back on track.....will it happen? eventually, yes, but until the labour movement as a whole admit to this then their return to office is in their hands, it is all very well the now well heeled and cosy nested retired grandees admitting where they fxxxxd up but that will not help their cause one bit whilst the party carries on in it's present vein.

I think your reading of David Milliband is correct.

The peoples who have chosen Corbyn, are in the main, those without responsibilities, ie, no families, no mortgages, probably on some form of benefits and yet they cannot see that their predicaments were brought about by the same party that the grandees admitted went very wrong.

Mr Corbyns policies will only compound their troubles should he ever gain office (which is very doubtful, imo)
I think that the £3 fee to vote buggered up the leadership election. Many Tories paid it and so Corbyn won.

A wrong move that will cost Labour and indeed the country dearly.
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Nov 22 2015, 06:13 PM
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Nov 22 2015, 06:02 PM

Perhaps you set your standards too high? :P nonetheless, keep up the good work of dragging out some alternatives from the naysayers, it is hard work but come 2020 they will HAVE to to come up with something AND it will have to be credible.

And yet the Tories have not been credible!
Nothing that they said would result has taken place in regards to solving problems .... in fact the problems have got worse ...... the debt, the NHS, policing, education.
All in crisis!
They didn't stand for election on making things worse, they have lost credibility .... and it will get worse still.


Yes indeed they got elected in May on a bedrock of lies and deceit. For which they will get payback time and it will cost them dearly!
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Nov 22 2015, 05:41 PM
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Nov 22 2015, 02:14 PM
I hope he does...He was the best hope for the Labour party

They managed to elect his less able brother......and now they have elected someone who many people have no confidence in.

Pick the right people FFS.
Milliband D is a lightweight

Chukka is Labour's best option
Chukka certainly can communicate well, is intelligent, doesn't have a tendency to 'foot-in-mouth', but is it enough?
Being of the Blair mould, another pragmatist, isn't what the country needs ...... Clegg II in a coalition with the Tories would be the liKely outcome if Chukka were to lead Labour into the next GE.
Coalition governments could be the norm for now ........ but there's lots of time for things to become clearer for the electorate, time for it to get worse.

I guess that comes back to the argument as to whether there is a credible way forward without a pragmatic mixed economy with a conscience approach. IMHO there is not and both the current leaderships just offer different ways to the abyss.
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Nov 21 2015, 08:38 AM
When it comes to picking the most dishonest politician, it appears the Tory front bench is way ahead of the field, but picking which one of those gets the prize for being the most dishonest lying bastard is difficult.
You couldn't get anyone more dishonest than cameron or osborne..
You clearly have not been employed by, or submitted a tender to supply goods or services to, a company that had Arnie Weinstock on its board.
You mean he is even worse than the un-dynamic duo? Wow he must be bad then..
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Chukka is Labour's best option
Good grief this is not America you know! I can just imagine the bastions of middle England muttering under their collective breaths about the uppity ethnic chap wanting to lead the country.

Given how the English electorate voted out of fear, rather than principle last time, and with the press being so slyly racist and self absorbed I'd not put it past some of them to portray CU with a bone through his nose if need be.
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Nov 22 2015, 06:02 PM

Perhaps you set your standards too high? :P nonetheless, keep up the good work of dragging out some alternatives from the naysayers, it is hard work but come 2020 they will HAVE to to come up with something AND it will have to be credible.

And yet the Tories have not been credible!
Nothing that they said would result has taken place in regards to solving problems .... in fact the problems have got worse ...... the debt, the NHS, policing, education.
All in crisis!
They didn't stand for election on making things worse, they have lost credibility .... and it will get worse still.


Yes indeed they got elected in May on a bedrock of lies and deceit. For which they will get payback time and it will cost them dearly!
That remains to be seen in 2020, you may well have to eat your words by then.
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Nov 22 2015, 04:27 PM


I think his sexual preferences are his private business and none of mine or anyone elses outside of his close family.
I believe sprayed Wincarnis is fairly easy to sponge out of a Wilton carpet.

Or try soaking the mess up with a nearby copy of the Daily Mail?
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Yes indeed they got elected in May on a bedrock of lies and deceit. For which they will get payback time and it will cost them dearly!
That remains to be seen in 2020, you may well have to eat your words by then.
I know full well I will be 'eating' none of my words. Simply because serial liars like Scammers and his fraudulent party always get their comeuppance sooner or later.
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That remains to be seen in 2020, you may well have to eat your words by then.
I know full well I will be 'eating' none of my words. Simply because serial liars like Scammers and his fraudulent party always get their comeuppance sooner or later.
Hopefully, ANYONE that fits that description will get what is coming to them but in the case of Labour (who are no angels) I think it will be later rather than sooner before they are anywhere fit or trusted to hold office.

BTW, you do not have to convince me, the ones that have to be convinced are the ones who could not or would not bother to vote or abstained.
Edited by Rich, Nov 22 2015, 08:35 PM.
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I know full well I will be 'eating' none of my words. Simply because serial liars like Scammers and his fraudulent party always get their comeuppance sooner or later.
Hopefully, ANYONE that fits that description will get what is coming to them but in the case of Labour (who are no angels) I think it will be later rather than sooner before they are anywhere fit or trusted to hold office.

BTW, you do not have to convince me, the ones that have to be convinced are the ones who could not or would not bother to vote or abstained.
I know full well I won't convince you and to be honest (unlike Scammers) couldn't be bothered one jot. We all know your bias, being a regular of the Old Blue Boar.
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. .We all know your bias, . .
!jk! sorry but have you not heard the story about the pot calling the kettle black
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All politicians are dishonest it is the nature of the beast they would not be able to please both there core supporters and their fringe voters
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!jk! sorry but have you not heard the story about the pot calling the kettle black
No have you? :banghead: I was simply stating the obvious.
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Perhaps you set your standards too high? :P nonetheless, keep up the good work of dragging out some alternatives from the naysayers, it is hard work but come 2020 they will HAVE to to come up with something AND it will have to be credible.

And yet the Tories have not been credible!
Nothing that they said would result has taken place in regards to solving problems .... in fact the problems have got worse ...... the debt, the NHS, policing, education.
All in crisis!
They didn't stand for election on making things worse, they have lost credibility .... and it will get worse still.


Yes, ones opinions cannot be denied, what they are TRYING to do is to carry out the promises in the manifesto that they were elected to do.

The fact that not enough Labour voters turned out or abstained from voting tells me that although they did not think much of the Tory manifesto, they certainly did not give credibility to the Labour manifesto.

Basically Affa, in this context you have no argument to put forth, the best thing you can do is try to persuade the the present rabble that masquerade as an opposition party to take a long hard look at themselves and to try and work out where it all went wrong, because as it stands, they are failing miserably in their duty to hold the government to account and your Mr Corbyn does himself no favours by acting as a proxy speaker at PMQ's by citing questions from the public, were he to have his finger on the pulse of society he would know himself what to say.

Rich; you put foreward that there is no credible opposition to the Tories.
I remarked that these Tories are no more credible ..... have not achieved what we must all presume is the intention to restore stability, growth, and living standards. Meanwhile there is a mounting crisis of debt, in the NHS, in schools, and policing ...... If being credible as a government is your criteria, you have no choice it seems. Certainly not those in office now!



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Perhaps you set your standards too high? :P nonetheless, keep up the good work of dragging out some alternatives from the naysayers, it is hard work but come 2020 they will HAVE to to come up with something AND it will have to be credible.

And yet the Tories have not been credible!
Nothing that they said would result has taken place in regards to solving problems .... in fact the problems have got worse ...... the debt, the NHS, policing, education.
All in crisis!
They didn't stand for election on making things worse, they have lost credibility .... and it will get worse still.


What crisis? What does that word mean to you?

NHS overspend of ~£2b in ~£130b is nigh on a rounding error. My question is where are the promised productivity gains?

Education, well this has been a running sore for decades and has not worsened under this lot. If anything improved. True to of Apprenticeship training.

Policing well crime rates have reduced, not much to do with this or the last Gov. tinkering, but electronics.

The only monster headache is the £80b PA deficit.

Austerity I see little of that and chaos what does that mean in real terms?
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