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| Topic Started: Nov 21 2015, 12:46 PM (236 Views) | |
| skwirked | Nov 21 2015, 12:46 PM Post #1 |
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The Petitions Committee decided not to debate the petition you signed – “Vote no confidence in David Cameron”. [...] It is still open to MPs to seek time for a debate on this petition in the main House of Commons Chamber, if they wish to do so. However, debates on motions of no confidence are fairly rare ^ Because they are a bunch of self-serving "grossly misleading("‽) little angelz. They have more in common with each other than us no matter what party, constituency or whatever 'good cause' they pretend to represent. |
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| RJD | Nov 21 2015, 05:26 PM Post #2 |
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Only an idiot with no comprehension of how our Parliament works would petition for such a debate. Just time wasting for them and us here. |
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| Steve K | Nov 21 2015, 06:30 PM Post #3 |
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The Full Response has some key info missed from the OP "because the Committee does not have the power to schedule debates on motions of no confidence, and the petition does not contain a specific request for action on policy." |
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| Lewis | Nov 21 2015, 06:35 PM Post #4 |
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Well why can't the British people not have a say in Scameron's future. Not many now have any confidence, after all the lies he told in order to get elected. Certainly not I at any stage, with regard to this self-serving tosser! |
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| ranger121 | Nov 21 2015, 06:42 PM Post #5 |
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They can, at the next election. |
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| skwirked | Nov 21 2015, 07:42 PM Post #6 |
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Irrelevant. All I am interested in is whst's highlighted in bold. I don't care to debate accepted parliamentary procedure
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| Jonksy | Nov 21 2015, 09:13 PM Post #7 |
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They did at the last one...more peeps abstained than voted for the tories.. |
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| ranger121 | Nov 21 2015, 09:22 PM Post #8 |
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They reap whatever they sow, in that case. |
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| Rich | Nov 21 2015, 09:40 PM Post #9 |
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And yet they still won, so how many did not vote for the other parties? do not blame those that voted the tories into power, blame those that abstained and could not be bothered to vote, those people have no right to whinge and whine now, when you consider all the effort that has gone into making this country free and democratic it makes me angry when people do not vote on very important matters that will have long term and far reaching implications for their young ones if not themselves. Very sad indeed.
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| skwirked | Nov 21 2015, 09:42 PM Post #10 |
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The point of the OP is not about elections or official procedure, it is about the fact that politicians stick up for each other and defend each other. Yes they try make it look like they are in fierce of opposition but that's a total lie. I only added the first bit to provide the context for the second bit. Edited by skwirked, Nov 21 2015, 09:44 PM.
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| Jonksy | Nov 21 2015, 09:45 PM Post #11 |
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They got a small majority of 11...its a sad indictment of our time that our MP's are such crap many cannot even be arsed to vote..Don't blame the abstainers blame the crap choice they have. |
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| skwirked | Nov 21 2015, 09:47 PM Post #12 |
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Or blame all of them and the corrupt system they uphold. Bring in PR, reform the HofL fairly, reform electoral boundaries fairly, bring in the power of recall over MPs, put important issues to referenda. Edited by skwirked, Nov 21 2015, 09:47 PM.
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| Tytoalba | Nov 21 2015, 11:59 PM Post #13 |
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But they can. Every five years we have elections and many an MP or aspiring MP is rejected. Cameron is an elected Member of parliament like all the others, but chosen by his party to lead them. That's how it works, not by petitions to Parliament. It is Parliament that makes decision, not the mob, the mischievous or the disaffected |
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| Affa | Nov 22 2015, 12:05 AM Post #14 |
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David Cameron promised to introduce Recall; changes that would allow for the electorate to remove their sitting MP. Another false promise! |
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| skwirked | Nov 22 2015, 12:12 AM Post #15 |
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Tyto I want the electorate to be as fully informed as possible, I want the electorare to have power of recall over ALL MPs, swiss style referendums and a much more democratic, civilised parliament in general. Why are you against change? If a politician in ANY party is shown up as a malicious malignant pus-sey boil, not only will I condemn them but I will join in with you in condemning them. Do you endorse my views in this post and post 12. If the rules were in place and the electorate returned an increased Tory majority I would say OK, fair enough. |
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| Steve K | Nov 22 2015, 12:22 AM Post #16 |
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The actual 2010 promise was "We will bring forward early legislation to introduce a power of recall, allowing voters to force a by-election where an MP is found to have engaged in serious wrongdoing and having had a petition calling for a by-election signed by 10% of his or her constituents." Recall Bill was finally approved in March this year http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2015/25/contents/enacted You did of course read it before posting that allegation ^. So where's the false promise? |
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| RJD | Nov 22 2015, 09:13 AM Post #17 |
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Nothing wrong with Swiss style referenda but even there stupid questions get short shrift from adjudicators. But sensible questions that have 100,000 signatures in a Kanton can find their way onto a ballot sheet. |
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| skwirked | Nov 22 2015, 09:28 AM Post #18 |
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Jeremy Twunt got a similar petition, that was rejected. It caused him offence and put egg on his face, it raised laughs in the house when it was dismissed. This petition was signed with the express knowledge that it would definitely be rejected. This is not timewasting because the petitions process is BS anyway and serious petitions get rejected out of hand all the time. This petition jas put egg on Cam's hammy face; ham and egg, nice combo. Repeat post: Rt Dishon Posts: 2,920 Group: Members Member #149 Joined: Sep 6, 2015 The point of the OP is not about elections or official procedure, it is about the fact that politicians stick up for each other and defend each other. Yes they try make it look like they are in fierce of opposition but that's a total lie. I only added the first bit to provide the context for the second bit. Edited by skwirked, Yesterday, 9:44 PM. Second bit; the bit in bold: However, debates on motions of no confidence are fairly rare Hope that clears things up, can put it in large bold font if it helps. |
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| RJD | Nov 22 2015, 11:37 AM Post #19 |
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You are being disingenuous, again. The question you supported was: – “Vote no confidence in David Cameron”. That is just a subjective matter of opinion and the loony left would say "no" even if he had just saved mankind from a plague of locusts. There is nothing in it to debate. It is vacuous in the extreme. However, it would be acceptable to ask whether individuals had confidence in certain defined policies to which they can substantiate their claims of support or otherwise with that that they believe is evidence. Your interest, because seemingly you and your cohorts are not able to attack policy is to seek to undermine the man who leads the Gov. a Tory Gov. One can only assume your motives are base and purely tribal. |
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| skwirked | Nov 22 2015, 12:02 PM Post #20 |
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Nope you just seek to misrepresent and tell me my own opinion, I find psychics fascinating. Refer to the bit in bold in the OP and my reply to it. Try one last time then give up. |
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| RJD | Nov 22 2015, 04:29 PM Post #21 |
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OK. I accept you cannot remember that which you spout. |
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| skwirked | Nov 22 2015, 04:35 PM Post #22 |
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As said, psychics are fascinating, so are those who insist that you wrote something different to that which you did. Sigh. Ref sig yet again. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 22 2015, 10:17 PM Post #23 |
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I would agree that a democracy that consists of the people putting an X on one of a limited number of candidates if the aforesaid candidates had to put to the people exactly what they and their party were going to do and then were legally bound to exactly follow it. Our government system is nothing but a passing nod to democracy. This is pretty much accepted by the elite and has been engineered by the elite of the past. |
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| Steve K | Nov 22 2015, 10:21 PM Post #24 |
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| Affa | Nov 22 2015, 10:38 PM Post #25 |
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It wasn't so much fortuity as it was prescribed .... the odds stacked in favour of the desired outcome. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 22 2015, 10:42 PM Post #26 |
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The AV meant a potentially different mix of parties. Nothing more. A true democracy would entail the voting poulation being in control of the political process. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 22 2015, 10:47 PM Post #27 |
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Maybe.Believing that we actually have a democratic government would be idiotic . |
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| Steve K | Nov 22 2015, 10:50 PM Post #28 |
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AV would have massively lowered the bar to new parties which is why all the small ones supported it and the big ones opposed itAnd the electorate said no That's democrcy |
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| Deleted User | Nov 22 2015, 11:07 PM Post #29 |
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No its not. If the electorate voted to end democracy that would not be democracy in action. All the electorate did was to vote to change the current illusion of democracy to another illusion . |
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AV would have massively lowered the bar to new parties which is why all the small ones supported it and the big ones opposed it
8:29 AM Jul 11