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Tom Watson Apology
Topic Started: Oct 22 2015, 03:00 PM (273 Views)
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Tom Watson has apologised to the widow of Lord Brittan for repeating the description he was given by one of his (Lord Brittan) accusers ("close to evil"). He "regrets" having done so, regrets the upset it has caused for his family.
David Cameron said he must go further and "examine his conscience about whether he's said enough so far" and said he had "a lot of questions to answer"

Will David Cameron apologise for describing J Corbyn as "a threat to our national security, our economic security and your family's security"?
When politics are the reason for such exchanges being made, criticisms levelled, and posturing at play, shouldn't the PM be setting a good example of behaviour?

As an aside; if it were not for Tom Watson we would not know of the organised paedophile activities of the past, nor of the coverup involving the MET.
I understand that former MET officers have contacted TW detailing their own suspicions of a top level cover up and that there are currently 19 investigations ongoing regarding MET failures/corruption.
Hounding the Corbyn tribe is now a favourite sport of the National press .... hypocrites that they are.



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Tom Watson is a self serving 8::8 .

He could have used several other methods of raising that issue but he chose the one that gave him the most publicity because it was the publicity he wanted. Now it's been revealed it was bollocks generated by the false memory brigade he is now ever so sorry he's been found out.



Edited by Steve K, Oct 22 2015, 03:30 PM.
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All I can say is theres never been a day in court over this (false memory or no!) so the truth whatever it is is still out there!
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Oct 22 2015, 03:30 PM
Tom Watson is a self serving 8::8 .

He could have used several other methods of raising that issue but he chose the one that gave him the most publicity because it was the publicity he wanted. Now it's been revealed it was bollocks generated by the false memory brigade he is now ever so sorry he's been found out.



My personal opinion is that TW is very brave .......... I cannot know what pressures are brought to bare on those in the know to remain silent (MET INCLUDED) but I feel sure in believing they were 'scared'. ...... and with justification.

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Oct 22 2015, 03:30 PM
Tom Watson is a self serving 8::8 .

He could have used several other methods of raising that issue but he chose the one that gave him the most publicity because it was the publicity he wanted. Now it's been revealed it was bollocks generated by the false memory brigade he is now ever so sorry he's been found out.



well said

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Oct 22 2015, 03:30 PM
Tom Watson is a self serving 8::8 .

He could have used several other methods of raising that issue but he chose the one that gave him the most publicity because it was the publicity he wanted. Now it's been revealed it was bollocks generated by the false memory brigade he is now ever so sorry he's been found out.





Pretty much the way with all politicians though isn't it?

They're never actually sorry when they do something wrong, they're only sorry they got caught.
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Oct 22 2015, 05:39 PM
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Oct 22 2015, 03:30 PM
Tom Watson is a self serving 8::8 .

He could have used several other methods of raising that issue but he chose the one that gave him the most publicity because it was the publicity he wanted. Now it's been revealed it was bollocks generated by the false memory brigade he is now ever so sorry he's been found out.





Pretty much the way with all politicians though isn't it?

They're never actually sorry when they do something wrong, they're only sorry they got caught.


At least he's fecked off about the right things. The child abuse scandal is pretty much the height of corruption, scarily quite a lot of people dismiss the whole thing out of hand..the real sickos behind the whole affair must be very happy.

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I suspect that Watson will be used as a first step to quietly forget about possible child abuse by people in power.
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The funny thing is the Australian media has been repeating many allegations about establishment child abuse, and worse, the bulk of it far stronger that what Watson has said and yet this is totally ignored in the British right wing press! The Australian 60 Minutes programme even interviewed people who claimed to have been abused, but over here zilch!

Scruffy bloke prowling around the local playground? = Bad.

Bloke you went to school with and visits the same club as you? = Problematic.
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Oct 22 2015, 05:56 PM

At least he's fecked off about the right things. The child abuse scandal is pretty much the height of corruption, scarily quite a lot of people dismiss the whole thing out of hand..the real sickos behind the whole affair must be very happy.



Indeed.

And as probably intended the fact that Leon Brittain seemed to "lose" a dossier back in the 80's containing allegations of establishment kiddy fiddling, not to mention several other potentially incriminating documents, seems to have been largely forgotten.

This stinks of shit..........
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The funny thing is the Australian media has been repeating many allegations about establishment child abuse, and worse, the bulk of it far stronger that what Watson has said and yet this is totally ignored in the British right wing press! The Australian 60 Minutes programme even interviewed people who claimed to have been abused, but over here zilch!

Scruffy bloke prowling around the local playground? = Bad.

Bloke you went to school with and visits the same club as you? = Problematic.
I presume the Australian press are out of reach of British libel laws.

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Oct 22 2015, 09:34 PM
The funny thing is the Australian media has been repeating many allegations about establishment child abuse, and worse, the bulk of it far stronger that what Watson has said and yet this is totally ignored in the British right wing press! The Australian 60 Minutes programme even interviewed people who claimed to have been abused, but over here zilch!

Scruffy bloke prowling around the local playground? = Bad.

Bloke you went to school with and visits the same club as you? = Problematic.
I presume the Australian press are out of reach of British libel laws.

Naturally.

But Youtube is your friend!
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Oct 22 2015, 03:30 PM
Tom Watson is a self serving 8::8 .

He could have used several other methods of raising that issue but he chose the one that gave him the most publicity because it was the publicity he wanted. Now it's been revealed it was bollocks generated by the false memory brigade he is now ever so sorry he's been found out.



He was trying to make political capital out of it and it has come back to bite him. If he had evidence against anyone suspected {Note the word suspected} he was right to bring it to the attention of the police , but from that point on he should have left them to investigate without political interference. Allegations are in themselves not proof of anything.
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He was trying to make political capital out of it and it has come back to bite him. If he had evidence against anyone suspected {Note the word suspected} he was right to bring it to the attention of the police , but from that point on he should have left them to investigate without political interference. Allegations are in themselves not proof of anything.
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You say this when those making the allegations to him (TW) insist that they had reported their evidence to the police and got nowhere.
There is also the case of a brother gong to the polce over his missing brother and being told 'he'll come to harm f he persists'.
The police are part of the problem here ....... but where it not so, your point would be well justified.


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At least he's fecked off about the right things. The child abuse scandal is pretty much the height of corruption, scarily quite a lot of people dismiss the whole thing out of hand..the real sickos behind the whole affair must be very happy.



Indeed.

And as probably intended the fact that Leon Brittain seemed to "lose" a dossier back in the 80's containing allegations of establishment kiddy fiddling, not to mention several other potentially incriminating documents, seems to have been largely forgotten.

This stinks of shit..........
well perhaps you should look at the shit that was behind so many of these allegations. Try googling Unstructured Therapeutic Disclosure

What you will find is vulnerable people were bullied and brainwashed into making allegations of sexual abuse against politicians who denials were taken as evidence that they were guilty. A 21st century equivalent of medieval witchfinders with Tom Watson so so happy to use this to better his career.

And in addition to the politicians who gets hurt by this? Real victims whose plight has been falsely discredited by such shenanigans and future victims because the likes of Watson have returned us to the days where real perverts know victims stories have become sus,

Also worth reading DCI Settle's evidence to the Home Affair committee yesterday about how far from people in high places stopping investigations, they took Tom Watson's prompt and effed Settle's career and then pursued an illegal investigation into an supposed rape that the supposed victim had never alleged

Watson doesn't know what he needs to apologise for and he certainly hasn't apologised yet. Saying "sorry" is just vacuous unless it's accompanied by a real effort to put matters right and a credible belief he won't do such harm again. Fat chance with fat Watson the man who perverts the course of justice behind the shield of parliamentary immunity.
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Oct 22 2015, 05:56 PM

At least he's fecked off about the right things. The child abuse scandal is pretty much the height of corruption, scarily quite a lot of people dismiss the whole thing out of hand..the real sickos behind the whole affair must be very happy.



Indeed.

And as probably intended the fact that Leon Brittain seemed to "lose" a dossier back in the 80's containing allegations of establishment kiddy fiddling, not to mention several other potentially incriminating documents, seems to have been largely forgotten.

This stinks of shit..........
The whole establishment reeks to highest (coke fuelled) high heaven..and down to the sewers of sin. Those paedos really do deserve some vigilante style justice my god, weird old pervoid freaks around here could be kicked into a intensive care, indeed some have been. There is real deep public anger here and I am surprised no one has gone spare yet.....
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Oct 22 2015, 10:20 PM
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Oct 22 2015, 09:39 PM
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Oct 22 2015, 05:56 PM

At least he's fecked off about the right things. The child abuse scandal is pretty much the height of corruption, scarily quite a lot of people dismiss the whole thing out of hand..the real sickos behind the whole affair must be very happy.



Indeed.

And as probably intended the fact that Leon Brittain seemed to "lose" a dossier back in the 80's containing allegations of establishment kiddy fiddling, not to mention several other potentially incriminating documents, seems to have been largely forgotten.

This stinks of shit..........
well perhaps you should look at the shit that was behind so many of these allegations. Try googling Unstructured Therapeutic Disclosure

What you will find is vulnerable people were bullied and brainwashed into making allegations of sexual abuse against politicians who denials were taken as evidence that they were guilty. A 21st century equivalent of medieval witchfinders with Tom Watson so so happy to use this to better his career.

And in addition to the politicians who gets hurt by this? Real victims whose plight has been falsely discredited by such shenanigans and future victims because the likes of Watson have returned us to the days where real perverts know victims stories have become sus,

Also worth reading DCI Settle's evidence to the Home Affair committee yesterday about how far from people in high places stopping investigations, they took Tom Watson's prompt and effed Settle's career and then pursued an illegal investigation into an supposed rape that the supposed victim had never alleged

Watson doesn't know what he needs to apologise for and he certainly hasn't apologised yet. Saying "sorry" is just vacuous unless it's accompanied by a real effort to put matters right and a credible belief he won't do such harm again. Fat chance with fat Watson the man who perverts the course of justice behind the shield of parliamentary immunity.

For decades allegations of what Jimmy Saville had been up to were given the same dismissal, same treatment that you present here ...... and for the same justifications (not).

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Watson doesn't know what he needs to apologise for and he certainly hasn't apologised yet. Saying "sorry" is just vacuous unless it's accompanied by a real effort to put matters right and a credible belief he won't do such harm again. Fat chance with fat Watson the man who perverts the course of justice behind the shield of parliamentary immunity.
He has apologised for that specific comment made against Brittain but predictably his family feel it did not go far enough, perhaps they know where Brittain left those now presumably lost documents entrusted to his care thirty years ago? They after all might completely quash all the rumours and allegations we are not allowed to repeat..........?

Watson is being warned off as he is treading on some very powerful toes, the best hope is that some of the allegations being aired abroad get back here and cause some embarrassment if not some consternation.

I doubt this is over by a long chalk.



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well perhaps you should look at the shit that was behind so many of these allegations. Try googling Unstructured Therapeutic Disclosure

What you will find is vulnerable people were bullied and brainwashed into making allegations of sexual abuse against politicians who denials were taken as evidence that they were guilty. A 21st century equivalent of medieval witchfinders with Tom Watson so so happy to use this to better his career.

And in addition to the politicians who gets hurt by this? Real victims whose plight has been falsely discredited by such shenanigans and future victims because the likes of Watson have returned us to the days where real perverts know victims stories have become sus,

Also worth reading DCI Settle's evidence to the Home Affair committee yesterday about how far from people in high places stopping investigations, they took Tom Watson's prompt and effed Settle's career and then pursued an illegal investigation into an supposed rape that the supposed victim had never alleged

Watson doesn't know what he needs to apologise for and he certainly hasn't apologised yet. Saying "sorry" is just vacuous unless it's accompanied by a real effort to put matters right and a credible belief he won't do such harm again. Fat chance with fat Watson the man who perverts the course of justice behind the shield of parliamentary immunity.

For decades allegations of what Jimmy Saville had been up to were given the same dismissal, same treatment that you present here ...... and for the same justifications (not).

Ah the old because shit happens then everything is shit supposed rationale.

Doesn't work does it?
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Oct 22 2015, 10:37 PM
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Oct 22 2015, 10:30 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepDCI Settle's evidence to the Home Affair committee yesterday about how far from people in high places stopping investigations, they took Tom Watson's prompt and effed Settle's career and then pursued an illegal investigation into an supposed rape that the supposed victim had never alleged

Watson doesn't know what he needs to apologise for and he certainly hasn't apologised yet. Saying "sorry" is just vacuous unless it's accompanied by a real effort to put matters right and a credible belief he won't do such harm again. Fat chance with fat Watson the man who perverts the course of justice behind the shield of parliamentary immunity.

For decades allegations of what Jimmy Saville had been up to were given the same dismissal, same treatment that you present here ...... and for the same justifications (not).

Ah the old because shit happens then everything is shit supposed rationale.

Doesn't work does it?
It did in that case Steve.

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Watson doesn't know what he needs to apologise for and he certainly hasn't apologised yet. Saying "sorry" is just vacuous unless it's accompanied by a real effort to put matters right and a credible belief he won't do such harm again. Fat chance with fat Watson the man who perverts the course of justice behind the shield of parliamentary immunity.
He has apologised for that specific comment made against Brittain but predictably his family feel it did not go far enough, perhaps they know where Brittain left those now presumably lost documents entrusted to his care thirty years ago? They after all might completely quash all the rumours and allegations we are not allowed to repeat..........?

Watson is being warned off as he is treading on some very powerful toes, the best hope is that some of the allegations being aired abroad get back here and cause some embarrassment if not some consternation.

I doubt this is over by a long chalk.



Watson doesn't understand the harm he has done with his quest for publicity, he doesn't understand what an apology needs to be and sadly seems neither do you.
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Ah the old because shit happens then everything is shit supposed rationale.

Doesn't work does it?
It did in that case Steve.

;-)
This is no laughing matter. Real people getting hurt deserves debate by adults

Have you googled Unstructured Therapeutic Disclosure yet?
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These politicians MUST be found out and brought to justice.

It is NOT ACCEPTABLE to be asked to wait a decade for an enquiry into an enquiry that reports to trial the need for a retrial.

As I said there is real public loathing...this is helping drive up vigilantiism.
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Watson doesn't understand the harm he has done with his quest for publicity, he doesn't understand what an apology needs to be and sadly seems neither do you.
You'll have to forgive me on this one, being the jaded cynic I am when it comes to allegations of this nature, and of course the lengths that were went to to protect Saville because of his connections to the great and the good.

And the only "harm" Watson has done is to bring this into the glare of public scrutiny. Funny isn't it Steve? People being outed only after they die?

Today on R4 a senior churchman who's name I did not catch, was protected by an establishment that was terrified of embarrassment at the prospect of his child molesting being made public.
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This is no laughing matter. Real people getting hurt deserves debate by adults

Have you googled Unstructured Therapeutic Disclosure yet?
I already know what it is, and I'm not playing your game.

It's little more than an unnecessary distraction .
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It's no laughing matter..it's hilarious. Hilariously sick, sad, corrupt and worst of all endemic...

Dunno if anyone heard the gut wrenching testimonies of the laughing Tory MPs abusing a young boy (MPs were male and female), fucking scumbags.
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. .And the only "harm" Watson has done is to bring this into the glare of public scrutiny. . .
Perhaps you can't read

- he made an innocent man's dying days a misery
- he perverted the course of justice
- he effed a decent cop's career
- he's discredited the real victims evidence

I guess to some it doesn't matter who is harmed as long as you see some shit thrown at politicians




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Funny isn't it Steve? People being outed only after they die?

Today on R4 a senior churchman who's name I did not catch, was protected by an establishment that was terrified of embarrassment at the prospect of his child molesting being made public.

You must try reading sometime. Every day you will be able to find cases of people being found, tried and convicted BEFORE they die. But you'll post the LIE that it "only" happens after they die

Seems truth is irrelevant to you

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I don't think politicians are the real issue here Steve, paedos are and you must understand why we hate them so.
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I don't think politicians are the real issue here Steve, paedos are and you must understand why we hate them so.
Yes which is why Tom Watson should hang his head in shame as his actions will increase the chances they will get away with it.
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- he's discredited the real victims evidence







I'm glad we can agree there are some real victims here, now all we need is the full co operation of the police, the custodians of our Parliamentary records, certain parts of the legal profession and some full and frank public disclosure of what the fuck is going on here.

What harm can it possibly do? :)
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Tom Watson is a self serving 8::8 .

He could have used several other methods of raising that issue but he chose the one that gave him the most publicity because it was the publicity he wanted. Now it's been revealed it was bollocks generated by the false memory brigade he is now ever so sorry he's been found out.
He was trying to make political capital out of it and it has come back to bite him. If he had evidence against anyone suspected {Note the word suspected} he was right to bring it to the attention of the police , but from that point on he should have left them to investigate without political interference. Allegations are in themselves not proof of anything.
True, but I wonder if you approached the many allegations against Blair with the same sort of clear thinking ?
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- he's discredited the real victims evidence







I'm glad we can agree there are some real victims here, now all we need is the full co operation of the police, the custodians of our Parliamentary records, certain parts of the legal profession and some full and frank public disclosure of what the fuck is going on here.

What harm can it possibly do? :)


Yeah... I'm sure that'll all happen.

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He was trying to make political capital out of it and it has come back to bite him. If he had evidence against anyone suspected {Note the word suspected} he was right to bring it to the attention of the police , but from that point on he should have left them to investigate without political interference. Allegations are in themselves not proof of anything.
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You say this when those making the allegations to him (TW) insist that they had reported their evidence to the police and got nowhere.
There is also the case of a brother gong to the polce over his missing brother and being told 'he'll come to harm f he persists'.
The police are part of the problem here ....... but where it not so, your point would be well justified.


In my experience police, overseen by the CPS, can do nothing without the evidence that is likely to gain a conviction.
Many allegations of crime are made, but it has to be remembered that innocent people are entitled to the protection of the law.
It is also the duty of police to give evidence that is in favour of the accused as it is to convict them. Do you want the police to be impartial or not, notwithstanding the fact that some may have experiences that suggest otherwise.
I think your unwise to nail your colours to Watsons mast, for I think this will run for some time. The family of the accused have wealth and connections, and will not be happy until a full and open non political apology has been publicly given outside the doors of the HOC, where he is protected.
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Tom Watson is a self serving 8::8 .

He could have used several other methods of raising that issue but he chose the one that gave him the most publicity because it was the publicity he wanted. Now it's been revealed it was bollocks generated by the false memory brigade he is now ever so sorry he's been found out.
He was trying to make political capital out of it and it has come back to bite him. If he had evidence against anyone suspected {Note the word suspected} he was right to bring it to the attention of the police , but from that point on he should have left them to investigate without political interference. Allegations are in themselves not proof of anything.
True, but I wonder if you approached the many allegations against Blair with the same sort of clear thinking ?
I await he full enquiry report before judging Blair.
He had a lot of advise at the time and no doubt thought he was doing what was right in our best interest, .but like his sense of idealism whilst ignoring the realities , a common practice of those with left wing views, he has been proved to be interferingly wrong. It has never been a wise practice to try to overthrow despots who are keeping the lid on a volatile situation in their own country. Perhaps Putin is right to support the Syrian president.
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- he's discredited the real victims evidence







I'm glad we can agree there are some real victims here, now all we need is the full co operation of the police, the custodians of our Parliamentary records, certain parts of the legal profession and some full and frank public disclosure of what the fuck is going on here.

What harm can it possibly do? :)


Yeah... I'm sure that'll all happen.

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I can't quite work out why Tory MP's Zac Goldsmith and Tim Loughton who have also made strong allegations were not grilled like Watson was? Goldsmith brought claims of a paedophile ring operating in his constituency to public attention and has been largely ignored by the establishment, why?

But these allegations are not new, back in 1995 the BBC documentary "Westminster's Dirty Little Secrets" aired much of the evidence now coming to light again, there is a rather infamous clip on Youtube in which former Tory whip Tim Fortescue explains how they would get people out of trouble, even if small boys were involved.

Then we have the public enquiry currently running, it will apparently take at least five fucking years to conclude and is already on it's third chairperson, who is on around half a million a year so hand wringing over the inevitable rising costs can't be far off and the taxpayers money excuse will be wheeled out yet again.

If someone tells me this is all conspiracy theory stuff they'd be best advised to not to make me laugh by repeating such a lame excuse, there IS something very dark going on here because the establishment is squirming and stalling.
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Tom Watson is the closest thing to evil in the HofC. A nasty piece of work who uses the protection of his position to assassinate the character of those he dislikes. I see he is the Deputy Leader to Corbyn.
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Tom Watson is the closest thing to evil in the HofC. A nasty piece of work who uses the protection of his position to assassinate the character of those he dislikes. I see he is the Deputy Leader to Corbyn.
With credentials like that he should join the Conservative Party.
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Oct 23 2015, 01:39 PM
Tom Watson is the closest thing to evil in the HofC. A nasty piece of work who uses the protection of his position to assassinate the character of those he dislikes. I see he is the Deputy Leader to Corbyn.


When are you going to learn that your hyperbole just makes you look silly?  ::)
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skwirked
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The nasty party were so called by their own were they not, does that not tell you something?

Please recommend me your optician I too would like rose tinted spex. Sadly I seem to have xray vision. :P
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Affa
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Tom Watson placed himself at great personal risk when he went public with what he knew about the Westminster Paedo Ring, AND the cover-up that allowed it to escape notice ......... I do not exaggerate when saying his life is/was at risk.
He went to the police, but knew their record of burrying evidence, so went public - brave man!



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