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| Tom Watson Apology | |
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| Topic Started: Oct 22 2015, 03:00 PM (276 Views) | |
| Affa | Oct 22 2015, 03:00 PM Post #1 |
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Tom Watson has apologised to the widow of Lord Brittan for repeating the description he was given by one of his (Lord Brittan) accusers ("close to evil"). He "regrets" having done so, regrets the upset it has caused for his family. David Cameron said he must go further and "examine his conscience about whether he's said enough so far" and said he had "a lot of questions to answer" Will David Cameron apologise for describing J Corbyn as "a threat to our national security, our economic security and your family's security"? When politics are the reason for such exchanges being made, criticisms levelled, and posturing at play, shouldn't the PM be setting a good example of behaviour? As an aside; if it were not for Tom Watson we would not know of the organised paedophile activities of the past, nor of the coverup involving the MET. I understand that former MET officers have contacted TW detailing their own suspicions of a top level cover up and that there are currently 19 investigations ongoing regarding MET failures/corruption. Hounding the Corbyn tribe is now a favourite sport of the National press .... hypocrites that they are. Edited by Affa, Oct 22 2015, 03:03 PM.
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| skwirked | Nov 4 2015, 11:07 PM Post #361 |
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Answer my Q Steve: Was that before or after: ""Watson admits that was a false claim by that woman" I was unaware he even said such. Post 342 Edited by skwirked, Nov 4 2015, 11:08 PM.
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| Jonksy | Nov 4 2015, 11:08 PM Post #362 |
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His link backed him up..Maybe you would like to get back to the topic rather than play swap the insults..Or has the going got too much for you now as you are not even responding to the links etc.. |
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| Steve K | Nov 4 2015, 11:14 PM Post #363 |
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I seem to spend this whole thread rebutting made up and at times foul insults Perhaps you missed Tigger posting "You seem to be short of some information, Paul Settle RESIGNED, he was not forced out," His later posts show he recognises he was indeed forced out And in case you haven't noticed, Tigger NEVER posts links so how can "His link backed him up"? |
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| Tigger | Nov 4 2015, 11:18 PM Post #364 |
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No, no, no! Watson is far brighter than you it would seem, any full scale apology would be spun into a net to drag Watson down, he has said he regretted repeating the allegations made by a witness about Brittain but he has rightly refused to apologise for anything else. I was unaware of some of the shit the police got up too whilst "investigating" this affair until you put that link up, at what point will it enter your head that Watson has been pretty courageous here? He has taken on the corrupt press, exposed police incompetence, possibly deliberate incompetence, brought to our attention a dossier on establishment kiddy fiddling, which we've yet to see for some reason, and forced Theresa May to launch a proper investigation, but even that is compromised because it's already had two people heading it who have relatives who may be named! If you can't see what is going on here you must be blind, the establishment really does not want this investigated........... |
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| Steve K | Nov 4 2015, 11:21 PM Post #365 |
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I mourn the death of P's and Qs So to your post 342
Allegation I quoted made January 2015, allegation to DPP April 2014. Watson declines to pursue 'Jane' allegation further October 2015 So before |
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| Jonksy | Nov 4 2015, 11:22 PM Post #366 |
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Nothing juvenile about my question unlike yours who thinks that the sun shines out of Settlers arse....Oh and if you saw my reply to Rich a few posts back you would know I have no wife but a partner. Edited by Jonksy, Nov 4 2015, 11:29 PM.
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| Tigger | Nov 4 2015, 11:24 PM Post #367 |
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Your pedanticism is getting a bit irritating now. Firstly he did indeed resign, the alternative would probably have been forcible removal due to his incompetence which by now you should be fully aware of. Hint, stop bleating about Watson ruining his career, Settle managed that all on his own. And I used YOUR link to hoist you by your own petard because unlike you I actually read it! |
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| Steve K | Nov 4 2015, 11:26 PM Post #368 |
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Tigger have a read of this before you nail your colours to Exaro's mast http://barristerblogger.com/2015/10/13/exaro-has-created-nothing-but-misery-and-confusion-its-time-for-it-to-shut-up/ |
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| Steve K | Nov 4 2015, 11:29 PM Post #369 |
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Oh for goodness sake if you don't understand the use of a the most commonly used example of a loaded question (have you stopped beating your wife)then words fail me. Try this instead: Jonsky, have you stopped stealing from old ladies you mug on the street? |
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| Jonksy | Nov 4 2015, 11:31 PM Post #370 |
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I thought you never gave bloggers views and credence? Thats what you have told us when we have posted a link to a blogg.. |
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| Steve K | Nov 4 2015, 11:34 PM Post #371 |
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So lets get this right. Are you saying he was wrong to spot that 'Jane' accused Brittan of taking her to his ground floor flat? |
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| Jonksy | Nov 4 2015, 11:36 PM Post #372 |
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I understand perfectly..yet again we just have the usual muck raking brigade working on Watson... And no I gave up mugging old ladies when the tories got in because the poor buggers only had IOU's in their purses...But that's the tory SCUM for ya.. |
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| Tigger | Nov 4 2015, 11:38 PM Post #373 |
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I'm looking at the bigger picture now Steve, it's the businessman in me. There is just far to many unfortunate coincidences and bizarre goings on here to paint this as anything else but the British Establishment doing it's level best, and on numerous occasions, to see this dead and buried and out of the public gaze. Watson has got balls I'll say that about him, he'll know what to expect from our rancid "free press" that is controlled by billionaire sociapaths and the vile creatures that inhabit our legislature, I wish him all the best. |
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| Tigger | Nov 4 2015, 11:41 PM Post #374 |
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Get this right? Is that an attempt at irony? We don't know the full truth remember now? And given the smearing and loss of recorded testimony we probably never will. |
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| Jonksy | Nov 4 2015, 11:41 PM Post #375 |
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What about the Customs officer who caught brittan with kiddy porno? Or what about many who have tied him up with the murder of a young boy...or his sordid little visits to Elm Guest House? There are many allegations against him why don't you pick up on some of those they can't all be false.. |
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| skwirked | Nov 4 2015, 11:48 PM Post #376 |
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SK: "Allegation I quoted made January 2015, allegation to DPP April 2014. Watson declines to pursue 'Jane' allegation further October 2015" Okay, so that + Watson's partial retraction is not enough you need his head too? Why not smear Corbyn as nasty too? He stood up for Watson didn't he. Clearly we're all uncaring nasty little bastardos who dont care who we hurt, so why stop there? |
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| Steve K | Nov 4 2015, 11:57 PM Post #377 |
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Link please
Well finally we get to the idiocy of the infamous Elm House list. This supposed sign-in list that we are told damns so many of the 'high and mighty' Go on have a look http://www.sovereignindependentuk.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/elm-lodge-guest-house-mary-moss-names-402x390.jpg Quite blatantly all written in the same hand by someone trying to make up a story. |
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| Jonksy | Nov 5 2015, 12:00 AM Post #378 |
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Your link...Sorry |
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| Jonksy | Nov 5 2015, 12:02 AM Post #379 |
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I have seen it...it looks like brittans handwriting to me.. |
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| Jonksy | Nov 5 2015, 12:04 AM Post #380 |
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The links are already on the thread you should try to keep up...Keep ignoring them does your stance no good whatsoever. |
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| Steve K | Nov 5 2015, 12:04 AM Post #381 |
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Why would I smear Corbyn? AFAIK he is spotlessly clean on this Did I ask for Watson's head? No, so please don't insinuate that I have. This is what he should do: - apologise to Settle for the letter he wrote to the DPP and ask the Met to reconsider the subsequent actions - apologise for what he now realises were the false claims against Brittan - apologise for wasting police time and money - promise he will be far more careful with future allegations but commit to still campaign for victims - resign the deputy Labour leadership saying he will stand in the re-election "because the September election would have unduly affected" That's what an honourable man would do. |
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| Jonksy | Nov 5 2015, 12:07 AM Post #382 |
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When are the tories going to apologies for doubling our national debt increasing immigration and the loss of our triple A status? Or does it only come to a matter of honuor when it involves labour? |
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| Steve K | Nov 5 2015, 12:11 AM Post #383 |
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Do you not realise what a hollow argument that is relative to this thread? So to you this was all about political point scoring. Like we never knew that. But didn't think you'd so easily admit to it. |
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| Steve K | Nov 5 2015, 12:11 AM Post #384 |
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Not one that backs your claim Clue: neither google nor Wiki backs it either Edited by Steve K, Nov 5 2015, 12:15 AM.
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| skwirked | Nov 5 2015, 12:18 AM Post #385 |
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Oh well, we have others trying to admonish the Tories of any blame . They pretend to be 'unbiased' but at least J lays his cards on the table. Asking Watson to resign and re-stand as dep leader is unfair imo. He issued a partial retraction and continues to fight the good fight . You know as well as I do that if he resigned it'd totally destroy his cred even if he got re-elected. He'd never live that sh1t down. As you said lots of other who have done worde things than Watson could/should apologize. Why go after him? It's a politicised witch hunt IMHO. |
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| Steve K | Nov 5 2015, 12:26 AM Post #386 |
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Why go after him? Because someone posted an OP praising him, I pointed out the uncomfortable realities and have had the gang of 4 making nasty comments about me ever since As if I would back down to insinuations and foul accusations. Your argument against my suggestion now seems to be that Watson would lose face. Well so he should but it'd only be in his own eyes as he is already very discredited now. He will likely never recover if he does not apologise but he seems to be hoping another 'Jane' or 'Nick' will turn up. |
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| skwirked | Nov 5 2015, 01:50 AM Post #387 |
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Bollocks Steve I never made nasty comments about you and T has made a few mibor remarks about your naivety. You want Watson's head just like the Tory press, you should really think about what you are saying.. Is he discredited? That's an unsubstantiated opinion of yours. Seeing as you linked a few false accusations, see this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34718932 Must be very emotive for those effected huh? No coverup whatsoever..oh wait you said that it looks like there HAS been a coverup? My Steve, how you accused us of squirming.. Edited by skwirked, Nov 5 2015, 01:51 AM.
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| Jonksy | Nov 5 2015, 02:19 AM Post #388 |
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https://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2015/01/22/leon-brittan-accused-of-attempting-to-smuggle-child-abuse-images-into-uk/ |
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| Jonksy | Nov 5 2015, 02:27 AM Post #389 |
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I don't find what the tories have done to my country funny... You state it is a hollow argument so is harping on about when is Watson going to apologise he has apologised for what he is guilty of and that should be that...But of course under yours and the tories eyes he should be hung drawn and quartered...I wonder if the truth does out if you and the tories will have the integrity to apologise to Watson.. |
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| Steve K | Nov 5 2015, 10:51 AM Post #390 |
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True, apologies That BBC article shows criminal incompetence by the CPS for which they have imho been very lightly punished even though it appears no material was disclosed. Fines on public bodies are really no punishment, the courts need to punish the individuals responsible. |
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| Steve K | Nov 5 2015, 10:53 AM Post #391 |
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Ta, I accept you believed that But the content is v poor indeed. They quote this article as the supposed evidence but it manifestly is not such. And with that I am done with this thread. |
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| RJD | Nov 5 2015, 11:34 AM Post #392 |
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Again the Strawman is brought out for an airing. I guess you too sign up for the maxim of Guilty unless one proves one's innocence"? There seems to be a growing number of such believers down at the Red Nag these days. |
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| Affa | Nov 5 2015, 11:57 AM Post #393 |
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There is this developing tendency that has posters here abandoning threads after having their argument/stance comprehensively dismissed as bunkum, foolishly having maintained and pursued erroneous convictions. A simple statement from them of "I was wrong" would be preferable to "I'm done here". |
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| skwirked | Nov 5 2015, 04:21 PM Post #394 |
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Everyone on here with the possible exception of J - who is still more honest than you - believes in "innocent until proven guilty". You keep trying to twist things and smear by association but it's not going to work. We just think you're a bit of a silly-head. Edited by skwirked, Nov 5 2015, 04:22 PM.
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| Tigger | Nov 5 2015, 09:50 PM Post #395 |
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Shocking arrogance in the face of overwhelming evidence that you continue to ignore. Watson owes no one an apology, end of. Why? Because despite having the evidence shoved under your nose, and lets not forget you supplied the evidence, It's almost as if you have not read your own links that prove beyond doubt the police did not do their jobs properly, the establishment is without doubt holding back much evidence and the antics surrounding this would barely fool a five year old. And a honourable man who is not a deputy leader would admit HE got it wrong............ |
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| Jonksy | Nov 6 2015, 07:33 PM Post #396 |
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There are too many accusations for them all to be false. If a bloody poxy DJ can fool the country just think what a bloody home secretary can do.. Miss you already...its good to see when push comes to shove you can't cut it... |
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| Jonksy | Nov 6 2015, 07:54 PM Post #397 |
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My stance is very simple I work in a profession that if anything does go wrong you have to prove that you carried out your work to the letter. |
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| Steve K | Nov 21 2015, 11:03 AM Post #398 |
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Err no he hasn't as was proven before I recommend reading anything that makes you think. Raccoon and Clarkson regularly, OTC on occasion but OH last had the plot when Gordon was PM |
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| skwirked | Nov 21 2015, 11:07 AM Post #399 |
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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/20/tom-watson-written-apology-leon-brittan-widow Wrong. And I agree re the 'anything that makes you think'. That is why I stay away from Clarkson. ;) That article was better than his usual cripe. |
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| Steve K | Nov 21 2015, 11:23 AM Post #400 |
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as we discussed to death he selectively apologised for only one of about 5 things any decent honest man would apologise for. So to your "The Watson stuff is typical BYW he fully apologised did he not..?" the answer remains no on any reasonable interpretation of 'fully' |
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