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| Topic Started: Oct 22 2015, 03:00 PM (274 Views) | |
| Affa | Oct 22 2015, 03:00 PM Post #1 |
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Tom Watson has apologised to the widow of Lord Brittan for repeating the description he was given by one of his (Lord Brittan) accusers ("close to evil"). He "regrets" having done so, regrets the upset it has caused for his family. David Cameron said he must go further and "examine his conscience about whether he's said enough so far" and said he had "a lot of questions to answer" Will David Cameron apologise for describing J Corbyn as "a threat to our national security, our economic security and your family's security"? When politics are the reason for such exchanges being made, criticisms levelled, and posturing at play, shouldn't the PM be setting a good example of behaviour? As an aside; if it were not for Tom Watson we would not know of the organised paedophile activities of the past, nor of the coverup involving the MET. I understand that former MET officers have contacted TW detailing their own suspicions of a top level cover up and that there are currently 19 investigations ongoing regarding MET failures/corruption. Hounding the Corbyn tribe is now a favourite sport of the National press .... hypocrites that they are. Edited by Affa, Oct 22 2015, 03:03 PM.
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| skwirked | Nov 21 2015, 11:27 AM Post #401 |
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Ah I meant the articles re his 'full apology' to Brittan's widow were old so thought he had done so already. Who else should he apologize to then? I really don't recall any of this other 1 of 5 stuff. |
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| Steve K | Nov 21 2015, 11:32 AM Post #402 |
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Happy reading http://w11.zetaboards.com/UK_Debate_Mk_2/topic/11379288/1/ |
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| skwirked | Nov 21 2015, 11:40 AM Post #403 |
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Can you just refer me to a single post? |
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| skwirked | Nov 21 2015, 11:59 AM Post #404 |
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The search function got me this: " - apologise to Settle for the letter he wrote to the DPP and ask the Met to reconsider the subsequent actions - apologise for what he now realises were the false claims against Brittan - apologise for wasting police time and money - promise he will be far more careful with future allegations but commit to still campaign for victims - resign the deputy Labour leadership saying he will stand in the re-election "because the September election would have unduly affected" That's what an honourable man would do. " So 3 apologies a promise and a resignation. Christ on a bike that'd make him 5000% more honest than any of the scumbags in parliament. That's deeply unfair. OK so an apology to Settle wouldn't go amiss but not his fault the Met incompetents sacked him off. Anyway Settle was proven as incompetent was he not? |
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| Steve K | Nov 21 2015, 12:12 PM Post #405 |
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No Settle was proven to have got it dead right Do you want to reconsider your use of "fully" |
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| skwirked | Nov 21 2015, 12:15 PM Post #406 |
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No I don't, it's your re-defined use of the phrase to which I object. He IS going to 'fully apologize' to Brittan's widow. |
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| Steve K | Nov 21 2015, 12:42 PM Post #407 |
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So when Hitler apologised to Eva Braun for it all going Pete Tong that constituted Hitler fully apologising in your book does it? Because what you actually said was "The Watson stuff is typical BYW he fully apologised did he not..?" To most of us 'fully' means Completely or entirely; to the fullest extent:, a selective caveated apology is much less than fully apologising. (Most of this lot is likely going to the Watson thread soon) |
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| skwirked | Nov 21 2015, 01:00 PM Post #408 |
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Ah so herr vatson ist like Hitler now. Sigh. You think what you like. An apology is an apology, fuck Settle he was an incompetent as were his superiors, they should be apologizing. |
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| Tigger | Nov 21 2015, 01:47 PM Post #409 |
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This is a truly ridiculous claim! In the link you put up it's there in black and white, settle was not following proper procedure in gathering evidence, he was either incompetent of rather more worryingly doing this on purpose in the knowledge that the evidence he was collating would then me inadmissible. |
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| Steve K | Nov 21 2015, 02:46 PM Post #410 |
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You did read the big fucking caveat on me posting that link didn't you Of course you did, just awkward for you so you'll try and ignore it and hope to mislead
Do you really need explained to you? |
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| skwirked | Nov 21 2015, 03:03 PM Post #411 |
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By his christing superiors. |
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| RJD | Nov 21 2015, 04:51 PM Post #412 |
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His apology has to be wrung out of him and is not heart felt, therefore valueless. A bit like the "I am thinking about the people in Paris" which was wrung out of Corbyn after he had tried to insinuate that the Press were not providing balanced reporting. Christus what is balanced about being shot to death? Typical of the old fashioned granite faced lefties of yesteryear. |
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| Jonksy | Nov 22 2015, 08:12 PM Post #413 |
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Minister put sex tryst club on expenses http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/Politics/article1636210.ece 300 VIPs accused of child sex abuse http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/People/article1636051.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2015_11_21 |
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| Steve K | Nov 22 2015, 08:20 PM Post #414 |
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imho your first link deserves a different thread from your second link Accusations have become an industry where dodgy people (yes Mark Watts of Exaro/Exagero this does mean the likes of you) are making big money abusing vulnerable people to make false allegations And worse, deflecting efforts from getting the real sex abusers locked up |
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| Rich | Nov 22 2015, 08:26 PM Post #415 |
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This is what the Police and crime commissioner (of Surrey) thinks about Police time and efforts spent on such "ventures" it begins at 39 minutes and 40 seconds in. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b06pdf8z/sunday-politics-london-22112015 Edited by Rich, Nov 22 2015, 08:37 PM.
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| Tigger | Nov 22 2015, 08:30 PM Post #416 |
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Because his was incompetent! Some it would seen don't want to hear that fact and are intent on framing the question to get the answer they'd really like to hear! Life is not like that though is it? Luckily. |
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| Tigger | Nov 22 2015, 08:36 PM Post #417 |
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Running in those new blinkers at the Blue Nag?* It's a shame some who bang on about tribalism seem intent on ignoring evidence that is not to their taste, Watson is the one owed an apology given the blundering attempts to bury these allegations under a pile of evasion and amateurish cover ups that would barely fool a six year old. *File under registered in a tax haven, probably. |
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| Affa | Nov 22 2015, 10:06 PM Post #418 |
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You missed his I presume >
That's 1,845 allegations that cannot be termed sham attempts at profiteering. In fact the other link does indicate that being of celebrity of course presents greater opportunity for such contacts/liaisons. ergo it would be more surprising if So rather than mask the seriousness with conjecture, should we be pressing for more investigations that are not cover ups - of the Mark Clarke variety. I sort of view that 302 figure as low considering - perhaps lower than it likely should be. |
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| Affa | Nov 23 2015, 08:36 PM Post #419 |
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Over twenty hours and this post has not been responded to by the person it was direct to. It has not had the apology it demands for all those victims of celebrity sexual harassment that were declared gold-diggers. So lacking in objectivity, so inured in party politics that even disgusting behaviour is excused. So typical of the Nasty Party. |
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| Tigger | Nov 23 2015, 08:50 PM Post #420 |
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But first Watson needs to apologise to a dead bloke who lost/hid a vital file of evidence and an incompetent copper who has a name like a Northern tourist hotspot. Modedited to correct quotation error Edited by Steve K, Nov 23 2015, 09:33 PM.
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| Steve K | Nov 23 2015, 09:55 PM Post #421 |
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Publishing the PMs of others is not going to be permitted.I will publish my relevant PM in another thread, meantime the offending post has been hidden Edited by Steve K, Nov 23 2015, 09:56 PM.
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| skwirked | Nov 23 2015, 10:10 PM Post #422 |
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Agendas agendas eh.
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| Steve K | Nov 23 2015, 11:33 PM Post #423 |
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This thread was about whether Tom Watson should apologise for aggressive and highly public pursuit of what have been shown to be false allegations. As such it was fair to highlight that a link in another's post shows that such false allegations have been widespread and divert effort from the real cases whether the perpetrators are celebrity or man/woman in the street. Are you really arguing for effort to be diverted from real abuse cases? |
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| Affa | Nov 24 2015, 02:32 AM Post #424 |
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I'm arguing for an apology for all those abused persons that you identified as gold-diggers, as making false accusations. You have no justification for doing so ...... only the investigating authorities can make that call. |
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| RJD | Nov 24 2015, 09:23 AM Post #425 |
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I think their claim is that there is no proof that the allegations are false on the basis you must be guilty unless proven innocent. They wish to turn our system on it's head in order to pursue a narrow politically motivated mission to sully the reputation of those not of their tribe. Most enlightened liberal minds would consider their stance as despicable. Watson is the embodiment of all that is vile on the left and I can see him becoming Corbyn's Lavrentiy Pavlovich Beria clone. |
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| Steve K | Nov 24 2015, 09:32 AM Post #426 |
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Please identify who I have named where my point was not backed by the authorities own admission that the claim was false |
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| Affa | Nov 24 2015, 11:15 AM Post #427 |
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All of them, as you tarred them with the same brush. Is it too hard to come out and say 'I was not trying to understate the severity of these accusations, or imply that these are all false accusations'? made by 'confused' persons. |
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| Steve K | Nov 24 2015, 11:30 AM Post #428 |
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I have no need to apologise for accusations I did not make. It would be absurd to do so. I ask again for you to identify who I have named where my point was not backed by the authorities own admission that the claim was false |
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| Tigger | Nov 24 2015, 09:39 PM Post #429 |
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And of course it is also an offence to tamper or withhold evidence and obstruct the course of justice. Except it would seem when some establishment figures may be in the crosshairs........... |
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| Affa | Nov 24 2015, 11:30 PM Post #430 |
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I saw on the BBC today that it is estimated that 85% of child abuse cases go unreported ........ and am inclined to suspect that a similar proportion of sex offenses go unreported .... or are ignored when complaints are made. The Mark Clarke case where several abused women were threatened, their complaints swept under the carpet is just one example of how 'celebrity' can bury bad publicity ..... etc. |
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| Affa | Nov 24 2015, 11:51 PM Post #431 |
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I withdraw the allegation! There is nothing to apologise for. I'm as sure as you are that there will be a number of allegations of sexual abuse levelled at celebrities made for mercenary reasons. I am equally convinced that considerably more occasions of sexual abuse by celebrities never get reported or are settled without police involvement. On balance, that 302 figure does appear quite small to me. |
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| Steve K | Nov 25 2015, 12:30 AM Post #432 |
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Yes deeply disturbing http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34904705 and probably worth its own thread
And as this graphic shows, something like 65 out of 66 abuse incidents are effectively going unpunished. We have to do more to stop this and put the offenders where they can do know harm.
Edited by Steve K, Nov 25 2015, 12:31 AM.
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