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Tom Watson Apology
Topic Started: Oct 22 2015, 03:00 PM (284 Views)
Affa
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Tom Watson has apologised to the widow of Lord Brittan for repeating the description he was given by one of his (Lord Brittan) accusers ("close to evil"). He "regrets" having done so, regrets the upset it has caused for his family.
David Cameron said he must go further and "examine his conscience about whether he's said enough so far" and said he had "a lot of questions to answer"

Will David Cameron apologise for describing J Corbyn as "a threat to our national security, our economic security and your family's security"?
When politics are the reason for such exchanges being made, criticisms levelled, and posturing at play, shouldn't the PM be setting a good example of behaviour?

As an aside; if it were not for Tom Watson we would not know of the organised paedophile activities of the past, nor of the coverup involving the MET.
I understand that former MET officers have contacted TW detailing their own suspicions of a top level cover up and that there are currently 19 investigations ongoing regarding MET failures/corruption.
Hounding the Corbyn tribe is now a favourite sport of the National press .... hypocrites that they are.



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Oct 23 2015, 04:00 PM
Tom Watson placed himself at great personal risk when he went public with what he knew about the Westminster Paedo Ring, AND the cover-up that allowed it to escape notice ......... I do not exaggerate when saying his life is/was at risk.
He went to the police, but knew their record of burrying evidence, so went public - brave man!



No he didn't put himself at risk

The false memory conspiracy + Exaro invented all that crap about deaths in Dolphin square etc etc.

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Oct 22 2015, 09:49 PM

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True, but I wonder if you approached the many allegations against Blair with the same sort of clear thinking ?
I await he full enquiry report before judging Blair.
He had a lot of advise at the time and no doubt thought he was doing what was right in our best interest, .but like his sense of idealism whilst ignoring the realities , a common practice of those with left wing views, he has been proved to be interferingly wrong. It has never been a wise practice to try to overthrow despots who are keeping the lid on a volatile situation in their own country. Perhaps Putin is right to support the Syrian president.
I asked if you had the same clear thinking when ALLEGATIONS were made against Blair, I didn't ask for a party political broadcast, which I think was nothing more than longhand for 'no you did not'.
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Oct 23 2015, 01:39 PM
Tom Watson is the closest thing to evil in the HofC. A nasty piece of work who uses the protection of his position to assassinate the character of those he dislikes. I see he is the Deputy Leader to Corbyn.
You make him sound like a tory..Why haven't they snapped him if that's the case as they are the nasty party after all?
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The evil ones are the KFCs of all political persuasions, I don't give a fuck about who's left or right wing. Frankly the conduct of some Lab MPs with regards to PIE disgusts me, they should be kicked out of the HofC for good...
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Oct 23 2015, 06:19 PM
. .Frankly the conduct of some Lab MPs with regards to PIE disgusts me, they should be kicked out of the HofC for good...
link please
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Oct 23 2015, 01:39 PM
Tom Watson is the closest thing to evil in the HofC. A nasty piece of work who uses the protection of his position to assassinate the character of those he dislikes. I see he is the Deputy Leader to Corbyn.
BILE ALERT!

Did someone spill your Wincarnis down at the Margaret Thatcher Memorial Hall? ;D

Funny how some are happy to shoot the messenger when it suits them, the fact that Watson has stirred up a hornets nest here and has clearly ruffled a few establishment feathers indicates he is doing a very good job.
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Oct 23 2015, 06:32 PM
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Oct 23 2015, 01:39 PM
Tom Watson is the closest thing to evil in the HofC. A nasty piece of work who uses the protection of his position to assassinate the character of those he dislikes. I see he is the Deputy Leader to Corbyn.
BILE ALERT!

Did someone spill your Wincarnis down at the Margaret Thatcher Memorial Hall? ;D

Funny how some are happy to shoot the messenger when it suits them, the fact that Watson has stirred up a hornets nest here and has clearly ruffled a few establishment feathers indicates he is doing a very good job.
No in this case it shows he's a manipulative uncaring little shit
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Steve K
Oct 23 2015, 06:28 PM
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Oct 23 2015, 06:19 PM
. .Frankly the conduct of some Lab MPs with regards to PIE disgusts me, they should be kicked out of the HofC for good...
link please
http://www.google.com/search?q=patricia+hewitt+pie

http://www.google.com/search?q=harriet+harman+pie

http://www.google.com/search?q=jack+dromey+pie

http://www.google.com/search?q=definition+of+pedantry
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Oct 23 2015, 06:35 PM
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Oct 23 2015, 06:32 PM
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Oct 23 2015, 01:39 PM
Tom Watson is the closest thing to evil in the HofC. A nasty piece of work who uses the protection of his position to assassinate the character of those he dislikes. I see he is the Deputy Leader to Corbyn.
BILE ALERT!

Did someone spill your Wincarnis down at the Margaret Thatcher Memorial Hall? ;D

Funny how some are happy to shoot the messenger when it suits them, the fact that Watson has stirred up a hornets nest here and has clearly ruffled a few establishment feathers indicates he is doing a very good job.
No in this case it shows he's a manipulative uncaring little shit
Disagree, but then like you I'm biased.

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Oct 23 2015, 06:36 PM
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Oct 23 2015, 06:28 PM
skwirked
Oct 23 2015, 06:19 PM
. .Frankly the conduct of some Lab MPs with regards to PIE disgusts me, they should be kicked out of the HofC for good...
link please
http://www.google.com/search?q=patricia+hewitt+pie

http://www.google.com/search?q=harriet+harman+pie

http://www.google.com/search?q=jack+dromey+pie

http://www.google.com/search?q=definition+of+pedantry
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Shame you don't click your own links

From one of them: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26351199

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!jk!

"did not want to rock the boat" "did not oppose" "wanted to further their careers"

They are fucking scum and you know it, but you have this innate desire to play devil's advocate with regards to the indefensible. Why IDK.
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Oct 23 2015, 07:01 PM
!jk!

"did not want to rock the boat" "did not oppose" "wanted to further their careers"

They are fucking scum and you know it, but you have this innate desire to play devil's advocate with regards to the indefensible. Why IDK.
Perhaps it is you that will believe without question, then defend aggressively any story that appears to impune those you have already decided to hate

Good news for you is you are not alone.

Don't make you right though
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But those quotes weren't out of context, unfair or even biased. Hewitt apologised IIRC so did the other two.

Do you think most of the scandals around westminster are/were made up?

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Oct 23 2015, 07:18 PM
But those quotes weren't out of context, unfair or even biased. Hewitt apologised IIRC so did the other two.


Look what you failed to spot was those quotes were from the evil git O'Carroll. Did it not cross your mind even slightly that he'd say anything to attack those that got him thrown out of the NCCL?

Perhaps you haven't read Hewitt's statement

She admits they were naive. Perhaps instead of posting google search links to millions of documents you might say exactly what you are accusing them of and what evidence you have.

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Do you think most of the scandals around westminster are/were made up?
I don't think that's impossible.
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Oct 23 2015, 07:24 PM
Does anyone believe that Watson did not believe his allegations?
No he probably did but he also certainly believed pursuing them in a way that would have made a prosecution impossible but give him maximum publicity was a good idea
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Oct 23 2015, 06:55 PM
And why is that relevant to what we are talking about here?

I do hope you are not suggesting that this is about kiddy fiddling socialists v kiddy fiddling Conservatives, I'd happily see the lot of em in the dock.

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Oct 23 2015, 07:44 PM
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Oct 23 2015, 06:55 PM
And why is that relevant to what we are talking about here?

I do hope you are not suggesting that this is about kiddy fiddling socialists v kiddy fiddling Conservatives, I'd happily see the lot of em in the dock.

Ask skwirked. He's the one that seemed to think it was relevant
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Oct 23 2015, 07:24 PM
Does anyone believe that Watson did not believe his allegations?
I suspect he has a lot more information than he is able to disclose, after all he'd need the co- operation of plenty of powerful people. And so far that has not seemed likely.

Perhaps someone can put the Youtube link of Tim Fortescue up for me, I'm a bit pc illiterate :-[

It's fifty seconds of gold and an insight into the grubby world of Westminster.
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Oct 23 2015, 07:49 PM
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Oct 23 2015, 06:55 PM
And why is that relevant to what we are talking about here?

I do hope you are not suggesting that this is about kiddy fiddling socialists v kiddy fiddling Conservatives, I'd happily see the lot of em in the dock.

Ask skwirked. He's the one that seemed to think it was relevant
Perhaps it was your pedantry that took this thread off-topic. I pointed out something that's very well documented and you jump out as defender of the politicos.

Maybe they pay you extra at yougov, a supplement to defend any MP from any accusation.
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Oct 23 2015, 07:32 PM
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Oct 23 2015, 07:24 PM
Does anyone believe that Watson did not believe his allegations?
No he probably did but he also certainly believed pursuing them in a way that would have made a prosecution impossible but give him maximum publicity was a good idea
And whilst under the aegis of Parliamentary Privilege at that, would he have said what he did if he not been in his position then?.....one wonders.
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Ask skwirked. He's the one that seemed to think it was relevant
Perhaps it was your pedantry that took this thread off-topic. I pointed out something that's very well documented and you jump out as defender of the politicos.

Maybe they pay you extra at yougov, a supplement to defend any MP from any accusation.
Top tip skwirked: don't tell lies when the record shows it so easily
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Oct 23 2015, 07:24 PM
Does anyone believe that Watson did not believe his allegations?
I suspect he has a lot more information than he is able to disclose, after all he'd need the co- operation of plenty of powerful people. And so far that has not seemed likely.

Perhaps someone can put the Youtube link of Tim Fortescue up for me, I'm a bit pc illiterate :-[

It's fifty seconds of gold and an insight into the grubby world of Westminster.





And this came up too .......


Anyone who (still) thinks these accusations could possibly be fabricated needs their head testing.

Edited by Affa, Oct 23 2015, 09:21 PM.
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Oct 23 2015, 07:51 PM
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Does anyone believe that Watson did not believe his allegations?
I suspect he has a lot more information than he is able to disclose, after all he'd need the co- operation of plenty of powerful people. And so far that has not seemed likely.

Perhaps someone can put the Youtube link of Tim Fortescue up for me, I'm a bit pc illiterate :-[

It's fifty seconds of gold and an insight into the grubby world of Westminster.





And this came up too .......


Anyone who (still) thinks these accusations could possibly be fabricated needs their head testing.

A superb find thank you very much! :thumbsup:

I of course realise that most on here will not want to spend twenty minutes listening to that interview with Don Hale who the host described as an investigative journalist.

I'll do a brief summary and advise anyone who disagrees to also listen to it and draw their own conclusions. Note the interview was conducted about a year ago when Brittain was still alive.

Don Hale was passed a document he named as the Dickens Report, it was given to him by Barbara Castle and contained the names and deeds of several prominent MP's, Hale touted the various revelations around fleet street but was told the information was too hot to handle, Hale then had the security services turn up at his house and they confiscated the report, Hale hints he has knowledge of where further copies may be found.

The documents came under the official secrets act as the potential for blackmail by Soviet agents was considered a real possibility, Castle passed on another set of documents to Leon Brittain who then it would seem promptly lost them, the GPU (Government protection Unit) tasked with parliamentary security then took charge of the so called Dickens Report.

A few things also worth mentioning.

The allegations if they surface in full will still be covered by the official secrets act, possibly why Watson cannot go into full detail, some of those MP's mentioned are still alive, one was caught by the police with extreme child pornography in his car, the Wanless inquiry remember that? Is was not tasked with looking into this, the latest effort from May is even further away in it's scope.

So Tom Watson is a "little shit" and should apologise to the family of Brittain? Perhaps we can now see why Watson claimed Bittain was close to evil?

The stink just got a whole lot worse if you ask me...........



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That's the supposed shredded, burnt etc file that was there all along

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/crime/article4592736.ece

And if all the accusations are true how come DCI Settle says that it was obvious from the first interview with 'Jane' (the woman Watson referred to) that there was no case of rape to answer.

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Oct 23 2015, 10:21 PM
That's the supposed shredded, burnt etc file that was there all along

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/crime/article4592736.ece

And if all the accusations are true how come DCI Settle says that it was obvious from the first interview with 'Jane' (the woman Watson referred to) that there was no case of rape to answer.

Does being a selective pedant also lead to lead to extreme naivety Steve? I think it does.

Here is the public inquest you WON'T SEE, one where relevant documents are de classified, where certain journalists, newspaper owners, and current MP's can speak freely and openly, where evidence from those affected can heard, note, and this is fucking pathetic, several alleged victims who gave evidence online to May's latest look into this got their statements "accidentally deleted" so they have been invited to re submit them! What a joke. ::)

I never had you down as a bit wet behind the ears, but that is another opinion that has now changed.................
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Oct 23 2015, 10:21 PM
That's the supposed shredded, burnt etc file that was there all along

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/crime/article4592736.ece

And if all the accusations are true how come DCI Settle says that it was obvious from the first interview with 'Jane' (the woman Watson referred to) that there was no case of rape to answer.

Does being a selective pedant also lead to lead to extreme naivety Steve? I think it does.

Here is the public inquest you WON'T SEE, one where relevant documents are de classified, where certain journalists, newspaper owners, and current MP's can speak freely and openly, where evidence from those affected can heard, note, and this is fucking pathetic, several alleged victims who gave evidence online to May's latest look into this got their statements "accidentally deleted" so they have been invited to re submit them! What a joke. ::)

I never had you down as a bit wet behind the ears, but that is another opinion that has now changed.................
You can throw as much childish abuse as you like (the mods are seemingly away) but it won't change two key facts

- you think any accusation against a politician no matter how false is OK in your book
- false accusations have been made seriously prejudicial to the chances of getting convictions for real crimes

And you are so proud of that?
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Oct 23 2015, 10:37 PM
You can throw as much childish abuse as you like (the mods are seemingly away) but it won't change two key facts

- you think any accusation against a politician no matter how false is OK in your book
- false accusations have been made seriously prejudicial to the chances of getting convictions for real crimes

And you are so proud of that?
Nice touch that, a hint that the mods might not like my style or content. Are YOU proud of that?

And here are some rather inconvenient facts for you, the MP's who are known to have been kiddy fiddlers are now all dead, several of those involved in hiding a classified document are also dead, we lose evidence "accidentally", key witnesses are not even contacted let alone called into offer evidence, lost documents suddenly appear but then contradict the information others have independently stated.

I'm going to suggest here that Watson is a brave and morally courageous man, as opposed to a "little shit" and hopefully some others with morals come forward with further evidence. Unfortunately the best information I've seen to date has been an Australian documentary that actually names names, seen fuck all here for patently obvious reasons, the twenty minute clip which you probably won't listen to also raises some serious questions that many in Westminster would rather keep quiet about.

And it still stinks of putid shit...........

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The allegations about Leon Brittain certainly seem to unraveled
According to the testimony of the boys on the recent Panorama program ..... He wasn't there.
The rape allegations testimony is all over the place.
The dossier has been found.......So yes his family is most certainly owed an apology.

There could have been some other MPs and names have been mentioned in the dossier.
Its those people we should be looking at.
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So Tigger you rant on with your jibes but even you could not deny either of the two facts I posted



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You can throw as much childish abuse as you like (the mods are seemingly away) but it won't change two key facts

- you think any accusation against a politician no matter how false is OK in your book
- false accusations have been made seriously prejudicial to the chances of getting convictions for real crimes

And you are so proud of that?
Nice touch that, a hint that the mods might not like my style or content. Are YOU proud of that?

And here are some rather inconvenient facts for you, the MP's who are known to have been kiddy fiddlers are now all dead, several of those involved in hiding a classified document are also dead, we lose evidence "accidentally", key witnesses are not even contacted let alone called into offer evidence, lost documents suddenly appear but then contradict the information others have independently stated.

I'm going to suggest here that Watson is a brave and morally courageous man, as opposed to a "little shit" and hopefully some others with morals come forward with further evidence. Unfortunately the best information I've seen to date has been an Australian documentary that actually names names, seen fuck all here for patently obvious reasons, the twenty minute clip which you probably won't listen to also raises some serious questions that many in Westminster would rather keep quiet about.

And it still stinks of putid shit...........

One must respect your opinions as such, but dead people cannot defend themselves, now just imagine that the same sort of allegations had been made about you after your demise, there are no physical or visual evidences upon the bodies of those making the claims other than historical memories, obviously the police as they are now so PC these days will take the claims VERY seriously, up until now, your name has not been made public,nonetheless your wife and family are aware of the allegations but do not know who is making them, now all of a sudden TIGGERS name has been leaked and the media are having a field day.....oh dear, you cannot answer because you are no more so it is left to your family to try and make a case for you against an anonymous person.....


I welcome your comments after you have consulted your family regarding the scenario.
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I question whether the horror that is alleged has actually registered in the minds of those choosing to refute these allegations (with no evidence) and undoubtedly for political motivation.
They ought to consider how that would change if any of this had included their own family as victims.
Horror that has currently 19 investigation into ..... MET officers alleged to have been party to the cover-up.



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this had included their own family as victims.


and Brittans family.?.....He died thinking his name was mud.
That's pretty harsh.... and as it turns out unnecessary.
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Tom Watson placed himself at great personal risk when he went public with what he knew about the Westminster Paedo Ring, AND the cover-up that allowed it to escape notice ......... I do not exaggerate when saying his life is/was at risk.
He went to the police, but knew their record of burrying evidence, so went public - brave man!



Stupid man who first did not check the veracity of evidence as he was so keen to sling the sh1t. It really is telling, but to be expected, that the Usuals run to the aid of this thoroughly despicable man. It only emphasises the fact that their collective judgement is seriously impaired. Nothing brave about hurling shit from behind the protective wall of the HofC is there?



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Tom Watson placed himself at great personal risk when he went public with what he knew about the Westminster Paedo Ring, AND the cover-up that allowed it to escape notice ......... I do not exaggerate when saying his life is/was at risk.
He went to the police, but knew their record of burrying evidence, so went public - brave man!



Stupid man who first did not check the veracity of evidence as he was so keen to sling the sh1t. It really is telling, but to be expected, that the Usuals run to the aid of this thoroughly despicable man. It only emphasises the fact that their collective judgement is seriously impaired. Nothing brave about hurling shit from behind the protective wall of the HofC is there?



There is a presumption here that the 'sh1t' being hurled is politically motivated, and TW seeking to advance his personal career.
As yet, and we cannot know, but the persons named in these reported allegations have not been declared 'of one party' .. in fact we do know that more than one, possibly all HoC factions were/are involved - there are none exempt from criticism, and all must carry some burden of blame for this atrocity being done, and being hidden. Oh, and there are Whitehall grandees implicated in this as well as senior police officers.
Then I ask - how will this enhance TW's political standing? I cannot envisage this doing so ..... sure he gains notoriety, but a climb up the ladder of statesmanship = never.
RJD here typifies the BS spread to minimise and further discredit the allegations made and should be ashamed for doing so. Such is no better than those covering-up what we can be sure was a terrible passage in our history .
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Are we to assume that the statements made by the Police and the Crown Prosecution are to be ignored?
This is a false claim as it cannot be better to besmirch a person's reputation, this is no alternative to policing and taking criminals to task. What Watson did, from the security of the shield of the HofC, is set himself up as a Witch-hunter where he decided counter to the opinions of those paid to form such, that there must be a case to answer. His enthusiasm and lack of any analysis of the facts indicates his motivation was base. He really is the evil face of the Labour Party.

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I await he full enquiry report before judging Blair.
He had a lot of advise at the time and no doubt thought he was doing what was right in our best interest, .but like his sense of idealism whilst ignoring the realities , a common practice of those with left wing views, he has been proved to be interferingly wrong. It has never been a wise practice to try to overthrow despots who are keeping the lid on a volatile situation in their own country. Perhaps Putin is right to support the Syrian president.
I asked if you had the same clear thinking when ALLEGATIONS were made against Blair, I didn't ask for a party political broadcast, which I think was nothing more than longhand for 'no you did not'.
Allegations are just that, but I am prepared to await the evidence and proof. its the only thing that counts.
I am not into conspiracy theories, All most of us can say is that we do not know, for so much of what occurs is not in the public domain.
Of course our political bias and our own ideas of morality seem to colour our discussions, and guide our beliefs, but without the evidence and proof it is just speculation. You will have to do it your way, I must do it my way and wait and see.
I don't know the answers, nor do you.
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Oct 23 2015, 11:32 AM

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I asked if you had the same clear thinking when ALLEGATIONS were made against Blair, I didn't ask for a party political broadcast, which I think was nothing more than longhand for 'no you did not'.
Allegations are just that, but I am prepared to await the evidence and proof. its the only thing that counts.
I am not into conspiracy theories, All most of us can say is that we do not know, for so much of what occurs is not in the public domain.
Of course our political bias and our own ideas of morality seem to colour our discussions, and guide our beliefs, but without the evidence and proof it is just speculation. You will have to do it your way, I must do it my way and wait and see.
I don't know the answers, nor do you.
You have proven through your posts, that you wouldn't understand proof if it stood in front of your face swearing in Swahili?
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Steve K
Oct 23 2015, 11:25 PM
So Tigger you rant on with your jibes but even you could not deny either of the two facts I posted



I've no interest in your pedantic points scoring or your sudden desire to believe officialdom, officialdom that has done it's very best to throw a cover over what has been going on for at least four decades. It's a fucking joke, the only kiddy fiddling MP's are dead ones!

Now perhaps you can explain why you have ignored the bulk of the allegations and instead played the man? (Watson) Who lets face it has come up against the closed ranks of the establishment. But all is not lost is it? These things have a habit of being unpredictable and tend to incoveniently ooze out eventually, as we know with other certain dodgy politicians..............
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