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| Tom Watson Apology | |
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| Topic Started: Oct 22 2015, 03:00 PM (280 Views) | |
| Affa | Oct 22 2015, 03:00 PM Post #1 |
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Tom Watson has apologised to the widow of Lord Brittan for repeating the description he was given by one of his (Lord Brittan) accusers ("close to evil"). He "regrets" having done so, regrets the upset it has caused for his family. David Cameron said he must go further and "examine his conscience about whether he's said enough so far" and said he had "a lot of questions to answer" Will David Cameron apologise for describing J Corbyn as "a threat to our national security, our economic security and your family's security"? When politics are the reason for such exchanges being made, criticisms levelled, and posturing at play, shouldn't the PM be setting a good example of behaviour? As an aside; if it were not for Tom Watson we would not know of the organised paedophile activities of the past, nor of the coverup involving the MET. I understand that former MET officers have contacted TW detailing their own suspicions of a top level cover up and that there are currently 19 investigations ongoing regarding MET failures/corruption. Hounding the Corbyn tribe is now a favourite sport of the National press .... hypocrites that they are. Edited by Affa, Oct 22 2015, 03:03 PM.
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| RJD | Nov 1 2015, 09:22 AM Post #201 |
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Again you cast aspersions that you cannot justify. A McCarthy trick. I am not interested in anything but the truth, the difference being that you do not require solid evidence and I like Courts of Law do. I am also sufficiently civilised to accept the maxim "innocent until proven guilty", you clearly are not. |
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| Jonksy | Nov 1 2015, 10:17 AM Post #202 |
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The aspersions are already out there and being stifled by the establishment...And as for you being only interested in the truth would that be the tory truth by any chance as the rest of us all know the true value of that. Do you think it was honest to make sure that the dossiers entrusted to brittan went awol under his watch? Or the fact that even thatcher new some of her clan were kiddy fiddlers. And as for tories being evil have they ever demonstrated that they are not...This week alone is a prime example over their defeat in the lords. |
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| RJD | Nov 1 2015, 10:32 AM Post #203 |
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You are just a worm wriggling on the hook. You have exposed the ugliness of your tribalism which seeks to stick sh1t on those you consider your tribal enemies. I repeat I am interested only in that which can be proven and not innuendo spread by nasty tribalists. The only thing this thread has so far proven is the nature of your character and that is not pretty. |
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| Jonksy | Nov 1 2015, 10:37 AM Post #204 |
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No wriggling here fella I have made myself clear on the subject over the matter and As Rich states it is just a waste of bandwith going over the same old sorry affair and if you think the courts of law get it correct, would like a few dozen links to where they do not?..And as for my character at least I have one so where did yours go..Go ahead get personal if you wish and make my day fella.. Edited by Jonksy, Nov 1 2015, 10:39 AM.
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| RJD | Nov 1 2015, 10:43 AM Post #205 |
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Once you declared that "he was not proven innocent" I had your measure. Nothing much more to add is there? You are just an uncivilised nasty little tribalist who leaves a very bad smell behind him. |
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| Jonksy | Nov 1 2015, 10:49 AM Post #206 |
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He HAS NOT been proven innocent and no amount of your waffle can change the FACT so either put up or shut up fella..And you should be the last person on this board to accuse others of tribalism. |
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| skwirked | Nov 1 2015, 10:55 AM Post #207 |
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No the bit that truly stinks of something far worse than sh1t, is the remains of children found who 'disappeared' or otherwise. The fact that politicians and high-profile people may have abused their power and got away with the most heinous crimes should appall everone. The fact that all the coincidences + limited evidence has made so many people believe in a very justifiable conspiracy theory should be cause for deep reflection.. Best policy would be not to criticise too harshly those that want justice. Most of us believe in innocent until proven guilty and we just want answers. The govt WILL NOT deliver answers. |
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| Steve K | Nov 1 2015, 11:24 AM Post #208 |
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Oh look evasion when asked a simple question. I think we all know why. Lets ask again: should Tom Watson apologise to DCI Settle for screwing his career when Settle had acted correctly. Yes or No will do, not some aimless waffle about wider matters |
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| Jonksy | Nov 1 2015, 01:05 PM Post #209 |
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No he shouldn't is that plain enough? I wish to destroy no innocents just the bloody truth and a proper inquiry would be good.. https://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2015/11/01/dci-paul-settle-did-not-leak-vip-accuser-details/ |
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| RJD | Nov 1 2015, 02:15 PM Post #210 |
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I am afraid you use the situation to create a Strawman argument. Nobody but nobody excuses such crimes against children and the fact that such exist cannot, logically, be used to persecute those that are considered innocent and yes we are so until proven otherwise. As I said it is ironic that the Usuals wish to use McCarthy styled tactics. |
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| Steve K | Nov 1 2015, 02:17 PM Post #211 |
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Well an excellent link that exonerates Settle and also contains this
But you don't think Watson should apologise for that? http://www.scribd.com/doc/284583461/Letter-from-Tom-Watson-MP-to-Alison-Saunders |
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| skwirked | Nov 1 2015, 02:29 PM Post #212 |
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No insinuation was made that anyone excuses crimes against children, not here anyway. Yes politicians did excuse crimes against children in the past, ditto for the establishment as a whole. That's been widely accepted as the truth based on hard evidence. The problem is that there seems to have been a cover-up of politicians' abuse of kids. |
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| RJD | Nov 1 2015, 02:31 PM Post #213 |
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Personally I would not want Watson to apologise as that would indicate he had a veneer of civilisation and perhaps something of a conscience. I prefer that such people stay true to their colours and then we know where they stand. |
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| skwirked | Nov 1 2015, 02:36 PM Post #214 |
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Pedo-protecting PMs and other high profile figures are x10000 worse. |
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| RJD | Nov 1 2015, 02:42 PM Post #215 |
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Irrelevant and again bad logic. |
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| Jonksy | Nov 1 2015, 02:48 PM Post #216 |
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No I don't..!! Here is another link you may or may not like. https://ianpace.wordpress.com/2015/01/24/leon-brittan-interview-with-tim-tate-on-bcfm-23115/ |
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| skwirked | Nov 1 2015, 02:56 PM Post #217 |
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This is the crux of the matter in my opinion. I have presented evidence for such that in my eyes, has not been seriously disputed. |
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| Rich | Nov 1 2015, 03:32 PM Post #218 |
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It is too late for an apology anyway as the damage has been done and when shit is thrown it tends to stick, all Watson had to do was inform the proper authorities of his findings and let them do the rest, but no, he had to go and tell the whole world via Parliamentary privilege, I do hope that the media keeps a close eye on him and destroys his character when he steps out of line. |
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| RJD | Nov 1 2015, 03:43 PM Post #219 |
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His character, such that it is, is venal he will say just about anything to score political points. He is the ugly evil face of Labour and their Deputy Leader to boot. |
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| Affa | Nov 1 2015, 05:28 PM Post #220 |
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And yet better respected than those in this government's cabinet - His public profile is that he is an honest politician ....... they judge him fairly, unlike the press who bear a grudge - he led the charge against Rupert Murdoch’s media empire when the phone-hacking scandal broke. |
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| Rich | Nov 1 2015, 06:22 PM Post #221 |
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"And yet better respected than those in this government's cabinet -" According to whom? |
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| Tigger | Nov 1 2015, 06:45 PM Post #222 |
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Your naivete has surpassed even your previous very low standards, If Watson had informed the "proper authorities" as had been done thirty years ago the following would have happened, again, the PM would have had the allegations hidden away, senior police officers would feign ignorance and sat on the allegations, the dossier would have ended up filed away again under the official secrets act and fuck all would have been done. The allegations are of the most serious nature with the potential to bring down a government and put establishment figures in the dock. Only a total retard would expect that same establishment to come clean and instigate a serious and proper investigation, I'd suggest Watson knew full well what would happen if he had informed the "proper authorities" and instead got the whole thing out in the open to limit the opportunity to smear, delay and obstruct the quest for complete truth, in my opinion the bloke deserves a medal and should not apologise for anything until this sordid heap of Tory kiddy fiddling vileness is exposed. The true aim here aim is to bury these allegations under a pile of distortions and evasions and hope in true establishment style that it all quietly goes away. And as before anyone starts shouting conspiracy theory I'd say given the amount of lost/deleted files, redacting, inertia, ham fisted investigation and faux outrage you'd have to be a conspiracy theorist to claim NOTHING untoward had been going on. |
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| Tigger | Nov 1 2015, 06:51 PM Post #223 |
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Donkey brain comments from the blue tribalist. It's pathetic and worrying that you think it's perfectly ok for establishment kiddy fiddling to be buried out of sight simply because some politicians will be shitting themselves and they might actually be members of the Conservative party. File under, do you want to come and see some puppies?
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| RJD | Nov 1 2015, 06:51 PM Post #224 |
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By whom? You perchance? I see that the two posh boys are miles ahead in the "who do you trust with the economy" their lead has increased since Watson et al came to the for. So I really do not know what it is you base your opinions on. Maybe something written on the beer mats at the Red Nag perhaps? |
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| Jonksy | Nov 1 2015, 07:04 PM Post #225 |
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If we were not in the EU at the present time with those two clowns in charge we would be correctly named a banana republic. |
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| Tigger | Nov 1 2015, 07:11 PM Post #226 |
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You've wandered of topic. Were you running out of half intelligible material or had you simply lost the plot again? Watson is clearly getting under the skin of the "Usuals", strangely spelt with a capital letter..... |
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| Rich | Nov 1 2015, 10:21 PM Post #227 |
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I never said that though did I, I am not so stupid as to make claims without having hard undeniable evidence to prove such claims, if you have such evidence other than hearsay and assumptions then you should be charged with "witholding evidence" and obstructing the law, in the light of that I would be inclined to keep my big fat gob shut over matters that you know SFA about and leave it to the people who can proceed legally.....IE, the police. Fucking twat. |
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| skwirked | Nov 1 2015, 10:41 PM Post #228 |
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This thread is going really well. ![]() "And as before anyone starts shouting conspiracy theory I'd say given the amount of lost/deleted files, redacting, inertia, ham fisted investigation and faux outrage you'd have to be a conspiracy theorist to claim NOTHING untoward had been going on." I absolutely agree with this. What utter bollocks to suggest that 'nothing untoward' is going on..honestly. And what utter naivety it is to asdume that the establishment will 'take care' of it. Of course it fucking will, it will take care of every detail it gets its grubby mitts on. Thank god we have sites like exaro and others, thank god we have people who question everything - no doubt they are all "shallow brute Usuals with low IQs". I am sure some in the establishment say thank god too..thank god we have pea-brained puppets who will repeat every shred of BS we spill out... |
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| Tigger | Nov 1 2015, 10:46 PM Post #229 |
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Leave it to the police Rich? you mean like with Jimmy Saville and Cyril Smith to name but two? I'm sure even you can join the dots from here..... Naivete now combined with foul mouthed ignorance? |
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| Rich | Nov 1 2015, 11:34 PM Post #230 |
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So, are you suggesting that we take Tom Watsons word as gospel and instigate vigilantism? or shall we leave it to those that can operate legally even though they may not be morally sound in practise.....you choose and see how many back you. Foul mouthed.....perhaps, ignorant, even if I am you make me look like Einstein, then again you could do the same for a plank of wood. |
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| Tigger | Nov 1 2015, 11:43 PM Post #231 |
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Not you that's for sure what with your rigid views and cringeworthy kow towing to authority. The only way to the bottom of this is maximum publicity that embarrasses the establishment, guilt by association? I'm afraid that is what it will take to shame these fuckers into action. The thing is there is plenty about this in the foreign media,, there is even a Australian documentary that names names! But here not a peep! |
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| skwirked | Nov 1 2015, 11:46 PM Post #232 |
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"So, are you suggesting that we take Tom Watsons word as gospel and instigate vigilantism? or shall we leave it to those that can operate legally even though they may not be morally sound in practise.....you choose and see how many back you." We will see. I talked about vigiliantism earlier on in the thread, not long ago a baying mob beat a SUS paedo to death just for looking wrongly at a child. 'not morally sound in practice' - idk what to make of this, if you mean they are part of the cover up...no I really do fundamentally disagree with vigiliantism and have ALWAYS believed in innocence until guilts proven..but you are giving me no choice? See where this leads? Forget me, think of how others see it..it's dark, very dark. |
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| Jonksy | Nov 1 2015, 11:48 PM Post #233 |
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If it was any good to take it to the authorities there would certainly be more kiddy fiddlers behind bars..The whole sorry saga is a farce even hag thatcher was covering it up. |
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| Rich | Nov 1 2015, 11:53 PM Post #234 |
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So you and others claim....where is the hard evidence? |
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| Jonksy | Nov 1 2015, 11:54 PM Post #235 |
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You should have read some of the links provided on this thread...Where is your hard evidence proving there were no cover ups? |
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| Tigger | Nov 1 2015, 11:58 PM Post #236 |
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You wouldn't recognise it if it kicked you repeatedly up the arse and made you a cup of tea afterwards. Files deleted, evidence mislaid, documents know about but not visible to anyone outside of a very small circle of people blah blah..................... Someone is going to have to put their neck on the line, oh they have! But then you'd hound that person for doing so wouldn't you............. |
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| skwirked | Nov 1 2015, 11:59 PM Post #237 |
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Full marks to Steve for attempting to refute the evidence and providing us his well-informed opinion even if we disagree. Even RJD has chimed in with a few tidbits...I disagree with him too. Still it's easy to hardly ever provide evidence and criticise those that do from the sidelines..echo wot? |
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| Rich | Nov 1 2015, 11:59 PM Post #238 |
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I do not need any evidence to prove innocence, evidence IS required to prove guilt.....now, has that finally sunk in yet? |
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| Rich | Nov 2 2015, 12:01 AM Post #239 |
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Hard evidence please, this could go on forever......if you so wish. |
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| skwirked | Nov 2 2015, 12:25 AM Post #240 |
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"Files deleted, evidence mislaid, documents know about but not visible to anyone outside of a very small circle of people blah blah....................." But where's your hard evidence? None of that ever happened clearly. ..In Richie Rich's echoplex. |
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