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Tom Watson Apology
Topic Started: Oct 22 2015, 03:00 PM (277 Views)
Affa
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Tom Watson has apologised to the widow of Lord Brittan for repeating the description he was given by one of his (Lord Brittan) accusers ("close to evil"). He "regrets" having done so, regrets the upset it has caused for his family.
David Cameron said he must go further and "examine his conscience about whether he's said enough so far" and said he had "a lot of questions to answer"

Will David Cameron apologise for describing J Corbyn as "a threat to our national security, our economic security and your family's security"?
When politics are the reason for such exchanges being made, criticisms levelled, and posturing at play, shouldn't the PM be setting a good example of behaviour?

As an aside; if it were not for Tom Watson we would not know of the organised paedophile activities of the past, nor of the coverup involving the MET.
I understand that former MET officers have contacted TW detailing their own suspicions of a top level cover up and that there are currently 19 investigations ongoing regarding MET failures/corruption.
Hounding the Corbyn tribe is now a favourite sport of the National press .... hypocrites that they are.



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Sir Nicholas Soames who has initiated the attack on Tom Watson. I love the way the Guardian have put the fat tory bastard on a pedestal..

A question that therefore follows is whether there is or isn’t a case for such an enquiry in the first place. Over 130 MPs believe that there is, and their number on the Conservative side includes Graham Brady, Sir John Randall, Sir Nicholas Soames, and Caroline Spelman. These are not excitable citizens. Douglas Carswell, George Freeman, Charlotte Leslie and Paul Maynard are among the other Tory backers.

http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2014/07/why-there-should-be-an-enquiry-into-historical-child-abuse.html

Hypocritical or what? The compassionate and caring Sir Nicholas Soames, is the fat gutted tory arsehole who did everything he could to discredit our returning military from GW1 over gulf war syndrome.

But of course this is the same fat bastard who was linked to the manufacturers of the concoction of drugs that were pumped into our military personnel's arms.

This is also the obnoxious piece of work Nicholas Soames ([Churchill's grandson and Conservative MP and former Minister) who avoided paying inheritance tax on family heirlooms he had been left, by listing them as available to public inspection when they were not.

He also threatened to sell Churchill's personal diary and private memoirs etc on Crown owned paper which he had written in the time of being PM in WW2 to the USA and the National Lottery stepped in and purchased them for the nation who technically owned them in the first place,

Your ramblings about Soames has nothing to do about the Tom Watson apology of course.
Just a new day and another anti Tory rant,on your part.
I think you struck the nail squarely on the head. What we are hearing in text form is nothing different than the hate loaded spittle issued in Manchester outside of the Tory Conference. It really is a pity that we cannot exile these types as they are of not benefit to a civilised society.
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Nov 3 2015, 09:44 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep

Sir Nicholas Soames who has initiated the attack on Tom Watson. I love the way the Guardian have put the fat tory bastard on a pedestal..

A question that therefore follows is whether there is or isn’t a case for such an enquiry in the first place. Over 130 MPs believe that there is, and their number on the Conservative side includes Graham Brady, Sir John Randall, Sir Nicholas Soames, and Caroline Spelman. These are not excitable citizens. Douglas Carswell, George Freeman, Charlotte Leslie and Paul Maynard are among the other Tory backers.

http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2014/07/why-there-should-be-an-enquiry-into-historical-child-abuse.html

Hypocritical or what? The compassionate and caring Sir Nicholas Soames, is the fat gutted tory arsehole who did everything he could to discredit our returning military from GW1 over gulf war syndrome.

But of course this is the same fat bastard who was linked to the manufacturers of the concoction of drugs that were pumped into our military personnel's arms.

This is also the obnoxious piece of work Nicholas Soames ([Churchill's grandson and Conservative MP and former Minister) who avoided paying inheritance tax on family heirlooms he had been left, by listing them as available to public inspection when they were not.

He also threatened to sell Churchill's personal diary and private memoirs etc on Crown owned paper which he had written in the time of being PM in WW2 to the USA and the National Lottery stepped in and purchased them for the nation who technically owned them in the first place,

Your ramblings about Soames has nothing to do about the Tom Watson apology of course.
Just a new day and another anti Tory rant,on your part.
Soames was the one who instigated the tory attack on Watson so its is relevant unlike your usual rant. And he was also one 146 MPs from across parties back the campaign for a full enquiry into kiddy fiddling etc in July 2014


This is the full list of MPs who are supporting the call so far

Conservative
Andrew Bingham
Bob Blackman
Graham Brady
Robert Buckland
Conor Burns
Neil Carmichael
Douglas Carswell
Tracey Crouch
Nick de Bois
Nadine Dorries
Richard Drax
Jonathan Evans
George Freeman
Mark Garnier
Zac Goldsmith
Gordon Henderson
Charles Hendry
Philip Hollobone
Bernard Jenkin
Chris Kelly
Charlotte Leslie
Jonathan Lord
Jack Lopresti
Tim Loughton
Sir Peter Luff
Paul Maynard
Jason McCartney
Anne Marie Morris
Caroline Nokes
Sir James Paice
Sir John Randall
Henry Smith
Sir Nicholas Soames
Caroline Spelman
Iain Stewart
Craig Whittaker

Liberal Democrat
Annette Brooke
Paul Burstow
Mike Crockart
Stephen Gilbert
Duncan Hames
Julian Huppert
John Hemming
John Leech
Greg Mulholland
Tessa Munt
Adrian Sanders
Ian Swales
Mike Thornton
Mark Williams
Roger Williams

Labour
Debbie Abrahams
Heidi Alexander
Jonathan Ashworth
Hilary Benn
Luciana Berger
Clive Betts
Tom Blenkinsop
Paul Blomfield
Ben Bradshaw
Andy Burnham
Lyn Brown
Karen Buck
Richard Burden
Ronnie Campbell
Martin Caton
Katy Clark
John Cryer
Jim Cunningham
Simon Danczuk
Geraint Davies
Jim Dobbin
Stephen Doughty
Michael Dugher
Julie Elliott
Natascha Engel
Jim Fitzpatrick
Robert Flello
Paul Flynn
Yvonne Fovargue
Mike Gapes
Pat Glass
Mary Glindon
Tom Greatrex
Kate Green
Lilian Greenwood
Andrew Gwynne
Peter Hain
Kate Hoey
Huw Irranca-Davies
Diana Johnson
Barbara Keeley
Ian Lavery
Mark Lazarowicz
Emma Lewell-Buck
Seema Malhotra
Khalid Mahmood
John Mann
Michael McCann
Kerry McCarthy
John McDonnell
Catherine McKinnell
Ian Mearns
Jessica Morden
Grahame Morris
Chi Onwurah
Sandra Osborne
Albert Owen
Teresa Pearce
Toby Perkins
Stephen Pound
Yasmin Qureshi
Steve Reed
Steve Rotheram
Lindsay Roy
Andy Sawford
Alison Seabeck
Virendra Sharma
Barry Sheerman
Jim Sheridan
Gavin Shuker
Andy Slaughter
Owen Smith
John Spellar
Gisela Stuart
Mark Tami
Emily Thornberry
Karl Turner
Derek Twigg
Stephen Twigg
Tom Watson
Chris Williamson
Iain Wright

Green
Caroline Lucas

Alliance Party of Northern Ireland
Naomi Long

Democratic Unionist Party (DUP)
Nigel Dodds
Jeffrey Donaldson
William McCrea
Ian Paisley
Jim Shannon

Social Democratic and Labour Party (SDLP)
Mark Durkan
Margaret Ritchie

Respect
George Galloway

Plaid Cymru
Jonathan Edwards
Elfyn Llwyd
Hywel Williams

Yes just another day when the tory luvvies come out in support of the bunch of shite now infesting the HOC Who are nothing more than self serving hypocrites so its nice to see you wholeheartedly agree with and support their double standards.

Feel free to try and dispute what I have written about the fat tory bastard...But both you and I know there is not enough tory bull in the country that can support the idiot or hide the truth.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepSir Nicholas Soames, and Caroline Spelman. These are not excitable citizens. Douglas Carswell, George Freeman, Charlotte Leslie and Paul Maynard are among the other Tory backers.

http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2014/07/why-there-should-be-an-enquiry-into-historical-child-abuse.html

Hypocritical or what? The compassionate and caring Sir Nicholas Soames, is the fat gutted tory arsehole who did everything he could to discredit our returning military from GW1 over gulf war syndrome.

But of course this is the same fat bastard who was linked to the manufacturers of the concoction of drugs that were pumped into our military personnel's arms.

This is also the obnoxious piece of work Nicholas Soames ([Churchill's grandson and Conservative MP and former Minister) who avoided paying inheritance tax on family heirlooms he had been left, by listing them as available to public inspection when they were not.

He also threatened to sell Churchill's personal diary and private memoirs etc on Crown owned paper which he had written in the time of being PM in WW2 to the USA and the National Lottery stepped in and purchased them for the nation who technically owned them in the first place,

Your ramblings about Soames has nothing to do about the Tom Watson apology of course.
Just a new day and another anti Tory rant,on your part.
I think you struck the nail squarely on the head. What we are hearing in text form is nothing different than the hate loaded spittle issued in Manchester outside of the Tory Conference. It really is a pity that we cannot exile these types as they are of not benefit to a civilised society.
Would you like another fish you performing seal?
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Nov 4 2015, 10:15 AM
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Nov 4 2015, 07:51 AM
Jonksy
Nov 4 2015, 05:31 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepSir Nicholas Soames, and Caroline Spelman. These are not excitable citizens. Douglas Carswell, George Freeman, Charlotte Leslie and Paul Maynard are among the other Tory backers.

http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2014/07/why-there-should-be-an-enquiry-into-historical-child-abuse.html

Hypocritical or what? The compassionate and caring Sir Nicholas Soames, is the fat gutted tory arsehole who did everything he could to discredit our returning military from GW1 over gulf war syndrome.

But of course this is the same fat bastard who was linked to the manufacturers of the concoction of drugs that were pumped into our military personnel's arms.

This is also the obnoxious piece of work Nicholas Soames ([Churchill's grandson and Conservative MP and former Minister) who avoided paying inheritance tax on family heirlooms he had been left, by listing them as available to public inspection when they were not.

He also threatened to sell Churchill's personal diary and private memoirs etc on Crown owned paper which he had written in the time of being PM in WW2 to the USA and the National Lottery stepped in and purchased them for the nation who technically owned them in the first place,

Your ramblings about Soames has nothing to do about the Tom Watson apology of course.
Just a new day and another anti Tory rant,on your part.
Soames was the one who instigated the tory attack on Watson so its is relevant unlike your usual rant. And he was also one 146 MPs from across parties back the campaign for a full enquiry into kiddy fiddling etc in July 2014


This is the full list of MPs who are supporting the call so far

Conservative
Andrew Bingham
Bob Blackman
Graham Brady
Robert Buckland
Conor Burns
Neil Carmichael
Douglas Carswell
Tracey Crouch
Nick de Bois
Nadine Dorries
Richard Drax
Jonathan Evans
George Freeman
Mark Garnier
Zac Goldsmith
Gordon Henderson
Charles Hendry
Philip Hollobone
Bernard Jenkin
Chris Kelly
Charlotte Leslie
Jonathan Lord
Jack Lopresti
Tim Loughton
Sir Peter Luff
Paul Maynard
Jason McCartney
Anne Marie Morris
Caroline Nokes
Sir James Paice
Sir John Randall
Henry Smith
Sir Nicholas Soames
Caroline Spelman
Iain Stewart
Craig Whittaker

Liberal Democrat
Annette Brooke
Paul Burstow
Mike Crockart
Stephen Gilbert
Duncan Hames
Julian Huppert
John Hemming
John Leech
Greg Mulholland
Tessa Munt
Adrian Sanders
Ian Swales
Mike Thornton
Mark Williams
Roger Williams

Labour
Debbie Abrahams
Heidi Alexander
Jonathan Ashworth
Hilary Benn
Luciana Berger
Clive Betts
Tom Blenkinsop
Paul Blomfield
Ben Bradshaw
Andy Burnham
Lyn Brown
Karen Buck
Richard Burden
Ronnie Campbell
Martin Caton
Katy Clark
John Cryer
Jim Cunningham
Simon Danczuk
Geraint Davies
Jim Dobbin
Stephen Doughty
Michael Dugher
Julie Elliott
Natascha Engel
Jim Fitzpatrick
Robert Flello
Paul Flynn
Yvonne Fovargue
Mike Gapes
Pat Glass
Mary Glindon
Tom Greatrex
Kate Green
Lilian Greenwood
Andrew Gwynne
Peter Hain
Kate Hoey
Huw Irranca-Davies
Diana Johnson
Barbara Keeley
Ian Lavery
Mark Lazarowicz
Emma Lewell-Buck
Seema Malhotra
Khalid Mahmood
John Mann
Michael McCann
Kerry McCarthy
John McDonnell
Catherine McKinnell
Ian Mearns
Jessica Morden
Grahame Morris
Chi Onwurah
Sandra Osborne
Albert Owen
Teresa Pearce
Toby Perkins
Stephen Pound
Yasmin Qureshi
Steve Reed
Steve Rotheram
Lindsay Roy
Andy Sawford
Alison Seabeck
Virendra Sharma
Barry Sheerman
Jim Sheridan
Gavin Shuker
Andy Slaughter
Owen Smith
John Spellar
Gisela Stuart
Mark Tami
Emily Thornberry
Karl Turner
Derek Twigg
Stephen Twigg
Tom Watson
Chris Williamson
Iain Wright

Green
Caroline Lucas

Alliance Party of Northern Ireland
Naomi Long

Democratic Unionist Party (DUP)
Nigel Dodds
Jeffrey Donaldson
William McCrea
Ian Paisley
Jim Shannon

Social Democratic and Labour Party (SDLP)
Mark Durkan
Margaret Ritchie

Respect
George Galloway

Plaid Cymru
Jonathan Edwards
Elfyn Llwyd
Hywel Williams

Yes just another day when the tory luvvies come out in support of the bunch of shite now infesting the HOC Who are nothing more than self serving hypocrites so its nice to see you wholeheartedly agree with and support their double standards.

Feel free to try and dispute what I have written about the fat tory bastard...But both you and I know there is not enough tory bull in the country that can support the idiot or hide the truth.
Oh well J at least RJD 'knows'fuck all where I sit. Me you the others ITT and all the MPs you mentioned!  ::) We must be awful people. The Tory MPs who called for an enquiry are exempt, of course.

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Nov 4 2015, 10:23 AM
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Nov 4 2015, 07:51 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepSir Nicholas Soames, and Caroline Spelman. These are not excitable citizens. Douglas Carswell, George Freeman, Charlotte Leslie and Paul Maynard are among the other Tory backers.

http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2014/07/why-there-should-be-an-enquiry-into-historical-child-abuse.html

Hypocritical or what? The compassionate and caring Sir Nicholas Soames, is the fat gutted tory arsehole who did everything he could to discredit our returning military from GW1 over gulf war syndrome.

But of course this is the same fat bastard who was linked to the manufacturers of the concoction of drugs that were pumped into our military personnel's arms.

This is also the obnoxious piece of work Nicholas Soames ([Churchill's grandson and Conservative MP and former Minister
Soames was the one who instigated the tory attack on Watson so its is relevant unlike your usual rant. And he was also one 146 MPs from across parties back the campaign for a full enquiry into kiddy fiddling etc in July 2014


This is the full list of MPs who are supporting the call so far

Conservative
Andrew Bingham
Bob Blackman
Graham Brady
Robert Buckland
Conor Burns
Neil Carmichael
Douglas Carswell
Tracey Crouch
Nick de Bois
Nadine Dorries
Richard Drax
Jonathan Evans
George Freeman
Mark Garnier
Zac Goldsmith
Gordon Henderson
Charles Hendry
Philip Hollobone
Bernard Jenkin
Chris Kelly
Charlotte Leslie
Jonathan Lord
Jack Lopresti
Tim Loughton
Sir Peter Luff
Paul Maynard
Jason McCartney
Anne Marie Morris
Caroline Nokes
Sir James Paice
Sir John Randall
Henry Smith
Sir Nicholas Soames
Caroline Spelman
Iain Stewart
Craig Whittaker

Liberal Democrat
Annette Brooke
Paul Burstow
Mike Crockart
Stephen Gilbert
Duncan Hames
Julian Huppert
John Hemming
John Leech
Greg Mulholland
Tessa Munt
Adrian Sanders
Ian Swales
Mike Thornton
Mark Williams
Roger Williams

Labour
Debbie Abrahams
Heidi Alexander
Jonathan Ashworth
Hilary Benn
Luciana Berger
Clive Betts
Tom Blenkinsop
Paul Blomfield
Ben Bradshaw
Andy Burnham
Lyn Brown
Karen Buck
Richard Burden
Ronnie Campbell
Martin Caton
Katy Clark
John Cryer
Jim Cunningham
Simon Danczuk
Geraint Davies
Jim Dobbin
Stephen Doughty
Michael Dugher
Julie Elliott
Natascha Engel
Jim Fitzpatrick
Robert Flello
Paul Flynn
Yvonne Fovargue
Mike Gapes
Pat Glass
Mary Glindon
Tom Greatrex
Kate Green
Lilian Greenwood
Andrew Gwynne
Peter Hain
Kate Hoey
Huw Irranca-Davies
Diana Johnson
Barbara Keeley
Ian Lavery
Mark Lazarowicz
Emma Lewell-Buck
Seema Malhotra
Khalid Mahmood
John Mann
Michael McCann
Kerry McCarthy
John McDonnell
Catherine McKinnell
Ian Mearns
Jessica Morden
Grahame Morris
Chi Onwurah
Sandra Osborne
Albert Owen
Teresa Pearce
Toby Perkins
Stephen Pound
Yasmin Qureshi
Steve Reed
Steve Rotheram
Lindsay Roy
Andy Sawford
Alison Seabeck
Virendra Sharma
Barry Sheerman
Jim Sheridan
Gavin Shuker
Andy Slaughter
Owen Smith
John Spellar
Gisela Stuart
Mark Tami
Emily Thornberry
Karl Turner
Derek Twigg
Stephen Twigg
Tom Watson
Chris Williamson
Iain Wright

Green
Caroline Lucas

Alliance Party of Northern Ireland
Naomi Long

Democratic Unionist Party (DUP)
Nigel Dodds
Jeffrey Donaldson
William McCrea
Ian Paisley
Jim Shannon

Social Democratic and Labour Party (SDLP)
Mark Durkan
Margaret Ritchie

Respect
George Galloway

Plaid Cymru
Jonathan Edwards
Elfyn Llwyd
Hywel Williams

Yes just another day when the tory luvvies come out in support of the bunch of shite now infesting the HOC Who are nothing more than self serving hypocrites so its nice to see you wholeheartedly agree with and support their double standards.

Feel free to try and dispute what I have written about the fat tory bastard...But both you and I know there is not enough tory bull in the country that can support the idiot or hide the truth.
Oh well J at least RJD 'knows'fuck all where I sit. Me you the others ITT and all the MPs you mentioned!  ::) We must be awful people. The Tory MPs who called for an enquiry are exempt, of course.

Anyone with an ounce of common sense would know there must be an awful lot of truth in these allegations when that number of MP's are asking for a full inquiry..Still we all know that RJD cannot be credited with common sense but he does have a masters degree in tory bullshit.
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What is very clear is that Watson pursued a vendetta against a decent detective effin up his career because Settle had correctly worked out that the rape allegation by 'Jane' was a total crock and that did not suit Watson's agenda at all.

It is also very clear that someone gave 'Jane' a copy of Watson's letter to the DPP recklessly including her name, which then ended up with the media. Now who is likely to have done that, the DPP or Watson?

It is also very clear that Watson made and false allegations about Brittan leading to further distress to a terminally ill man. We will never know how much that shortened his life.

And yet several here seem to think that such is behaviour by Watson that should be celebrated. It is not, he should apologise.

Cue further attempts to fudge the issue.
Just out of curiosity do you think jimmy saville was innocent?
Guilty of most of what he was accused of. However it is already known that the false accusation/compo £ industry has fabricated extra false claims.

Just out of interest just what message would you wish Tom Watson to send to DCI Settle for screwing his career in the police?
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What is very clear is that Watson pursued a vendetta against a decent detective effin up his career because Settle had correctly worked out that the rape allegation by 'Jane' was a total crock and that did not suit Watson's agenda at all.

It is also very clear that someone gave 'Jane' a copy of Watson's letter to the DPP recklessly including her name, which then ended up with the media. Now who is likely to have done that, the DPP or Watson?

It is also very clear that Watson made and false allegations about Brittan leading to further distress to a terminally ill man. We will never know how much that shortened his life.

And yet several here seem to think that such is behaviour by Watson that should be celebrated. It is not, he should apologise.

Cue further attempts to fudge the issue.
Just out of curiosity do you think jimmy saville was innocent?
Guilty of most of what he was accused of. However it is already known that the false accusation/compo £ industry has fabricated extra false claims.

Just out of interest just what message would you wish Tom Watson to send to DCI Settle for screwing his career in the police?
I would tell him to sort out his bosses rather than blame Watson for their screw-ups..

I wonder what message you would give to all these children and their parents who have been abused why you support a stance of these perverts are innocent despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary?
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That's a disgusting foul libel by you Jonsky. ^




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That's a disgusting foul libel by you Jonsky. ^




Have I not read that Tom Watson has maligned innocent persons with his allegations?
Hasn't it been repeatedly stated that all accused are innocent until proven guilty?
I do hate to be pedantic, but what Jon has posted is reference to the assertions made regarding not guilty until proven guilty.

The Law frequently detains people awaiting trial and their day in court - it exhibits no such obsession with innocence prior to proven guilt. Neither does Jon, and for what it is worth, neither do I.
Those accused have a case to answer but have remained at liberty for decades - often sat at the highest tables.


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That's a disgusting foul libel by you Jonsky. ^




Have I not read that Tom watson has maligned innocent persons with his allegations?
Hasn't it been repeatedly stated that all accused are innicent until proven guilty?
I do hate to be pedantic, but what Jon has posted is reference to the assertions made regarding not guilty until proven guilty.

The Law frequently detains people awaiting trial and their day in court - it exhibits no such obsession with innocence prior to proven guilt. Neither does Jon, and for what it is worth, neither do I.
Those accused have a case to answer but have remained at liberty for decades - often sat at the highest tables.


Jonsky made an offensive and libellous allegation specifically about me. I've no doubt he felt so smug making it.

I suggest you reread his post. Your defence of it is far from the point.
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I cannot be bothered debating anything with those that claim the onus is on an individual to prove his innocence. I put the cretin who made that claim directly under my ignore button and only wish we could eject such people from the UK as the rank smell from their uncivilised presence sticks in one's nose. I am really not interested in giving such people air time they are a worse canker than the NF.
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That's a disgusting foul libel by you Jonsky. ^




Although you did yourself call Watson a "little shit" and throw in a few accusations yourself.
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That's a disgusting foul libel by you Jonsky. ^




Although you did yourself call Watson a "little shit" and throw in a few accusations yourself.
But that was true and Jonsky's foul comment was not

Perhaps you could suggest a better word than 'shit' to describe someone who has not apologised for using a falsehood in a letter to get DCI Settle's career effed, for someone who has admitted he levelled false allegations against Brittan yet refuses to apologise and is the #1 suspect for feeding a vulnerable woman's full name to the media. And same someone who rode the crest of the created false wave to become deputy Labour leader

'Shit' seems quite mild really but then this forum does have rules


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Nov 4 2015, 05:14 PM
That's a disgusting foul libel by you Jonsky. ^




Although you did yourself call Watson a "little shit" and throw in a few accusations yourself.
But that was true and Jonsky's foul comment was not

Perhaps you could suggest a better word than 'shit' to describe someone who has not apologised for using a falsehood in a letter to get DCI Settle's career effed, for someone who has admitted he levelled false allegations against Brittan yet refuses to apologise and is the #1 suspect for feeding a vulnerable woman's full name to the media. And same someone who rode the crest of the created false wave to become deputy Labour leader

'Shit' seems quite mild really but then this forum does have rules


Did you read the guardian article I pasted. It seemed very fair to me, a good read.

I am actually glad that RJD didn't bother.
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That's a disgusting foul libel by you Jonsky. ^




Although you did yourself call Watson a "little shit" and throw in a few accusations yourself.
But that was true and Jonsky's foul comment was not

Perhaps you could suggest a better word than 'shit' to describe someone who has not apologised for using a falsehood in a letter to get DCI Settle's career effed, for someone who has admitted he levelled false allegations against Brittan yet refuses to apologise and is the #1 suspect for feeding a vulnerable woman's full name to the media. And same someone who rode the crest of the created false wave to become deputy Labour leader

'Shit' seems quite mild really but then this forum does have rules


Just because nothing has been proved doesn't mean nothing happened.


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That's a disgusting foul libel by you Jonsky. ^




Although you did yourself call Watson a "little shit" and throw in a few accusations yourself.
But that was true and Jonsky's foul comment was not

Perhaps you could suggest a better word than 'shit' to describe someone who has not apologised for using a falsehood in a letter to get DCI Settle's career effed, for someone who has admitted he levelled false allegations against Brittan yet refuses to apologise and is the #1 suspect for feeding a vulnerable woman's full name to the media. And same someone who rode the crest of the created false wave to become deputy Labour leader

'Shit' seems quite mild really but then this forum does have rules


You seem to be short of some information, Paul Settle RESIGNED, he was not forced out, he headed Operation Fernbridge and did not do his job properly, he concluded that Brittain did not commit the offences he was accused of despite not having or even requesting all the available evidence, note Operation Fernbridge has not closed and there are further allegations that may yet implicate Brittain and several others as well.

And the "close to evil" tagline was Watson quoting a statement from a witness and was not his direct opinion, although it's highly likely he felt the same given the frustration he's had to endure as cover ups, loss of documentation and pathetically inept inquests have sought to bury the whole sordid affair.

Apologies, if any will be in order when and if we ever get the the bottom of this.
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Did you read the guardian article I pasted. It seemed very fair to me, a good read.

I am actually glad that RJD didn't bother.
Well only just but I was out all yesterday

This one? http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2015/oct/13/tories-gunning-for-tom-watson-forget-ignored-sexual-abuse-muckraking

It basically says Tom Watson isn't the only person who needs to properly apologise.

Fair point but the piece is at best a naive piece of writing anyway. The author (Michael White) for example says "In January Watson weighed in, identifying Brittan as the senior politician he had not previously named." which is a blatant falsehood as we all know the record shows he named him in April 2004

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"I am compelled to write to seek review of a historic case or rape. . . . .I am driven to the unpalatable conclusion that the identity of the alleged perpetrator - Leon Brittan -may in some way have influenced treatment of the case."



File under Michael (Long term Labour activist) White's ramblings.
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"It basically says Tom Watson isn't the only person who needs to properly apologise. "

Not really Steve, yes the article did get that piece you mentioned wrong. But it shows that Watson is a man of conviction, if he believes in something he will fight for that..sorry but I admire that regardless of who hates him.

T seems to have a point about Watson quoting a witness BTW.
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But that was true and Jonsky's foul comment was not

Perhaps you could suggest a better word than 'shit' to describe someone who has not apologised for using a falsehood in a letter to get DCI Settle's career effed, for someone who has admitted he levelled false allegations against Brittan yet refuses to apologise and is the #1 suspect for feeding a vulnerable woman's full name to the media. And same someone who rode the crest of the created false wave to become deputy Labour leader

'Shit' seems quite mild really but then this forum does have rules


You seem to be short of some information, Paul Settle RESIGNED, he was not forced out, he headed Operation Fernbridge and did not do his job properly, he concluded that Brittain did not commit the offences he was accused of despite not having or even requesting all the available evidence, note Operation Fernbridge has not closed and there are further allegations that may yet implicate Brittain and several others as well.

And the "close to evil" tagline was Watson quoting a statement from a witness and was not his direct opinion, although it's highly likely he felt the same given the frustration he's had to endure as cover ups, loss of documentation and pathetically inept inquests have sought to bury the whole sordid affair.

Apologies, if any will be in order when and if we ever get the the bottom of this.
He was forced out of his role. As even Tom Watson's cosy media chums admit

"Scotland Yard's senior detective who was heading its wide-ranging investigations into paedophile politicians has been forced to quit, Exaro can reveal"

And perhaps you had missed that 'Jane' could not identify Brittan, could not describe an assault amounting to rape and had said her friends would back up her allegations and yet when police interviewed them they contradicted her.

So yes an apology is due - from you this time.
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"It basically says Tom Watson isn't the only person who needs to properly apologise. "

Not really Steve, yes the article did get that piece you mentioned wrong. But it shows that Watson is a man of conviction, if he believes in something he will fight for that..sorry but I admire that regardless of who hates him.

T seems to have a point about Watson quoting a witness BTW.
I suggest you read the words he actually used

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I’ve spoken to a woman who said he raped her in 1967. And I’ve spoken to a man who was a child when he says Brittan raped him. And I know of two others who have made similar claims of abuse.

To these people, the establishment has closed rank and slammed down the shutters. They talk of their “devastation”.

Today, one survivor said to me that Brittan “showed me no kindness or warmth.” That Brittan was “as close to evil as a human being could get in my view”.

This survivor said that Brittan and the others “took my childhood, they took the very essence of who I was and finally he’s taken away my right to see justice done.”


Not exactly distancing himself is he

And remember even Watson admits that was a false claim by that woman
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That's a disgusting foul libel by you Jonsky. ^




Far from a Lie...I leave lies to the tories...And I see yet again you never answered my question..
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"It basically says Tom Watson isn't the only person who needs to properly apologise. "

Not really Steve, yes the article did get that piece you mentioned wrong. But it shows that Watson is a man of conviction, if he believes in something he will fight for that..sorry but I admire that regardless of who hates him.

T seems to have a point about Watson quoting a witness BTW.
I suggest you read the words he actually used

Tom Watson
 
I’ve spoken to a woman who said he raped her in 1967. And I’ve spoken to a man who was a child when he says Brittan raped him. And I know of two others who have made similar claims of abuse.

To these people, the establishment has closed rank and slammed down the shutters. They talk of their “devastation”.

Today, one survivor said to me that Brittan “showed me no kindness or warmth.” That Brittan was “as close to evil as a human being could get in my view”.

This survivor said that Brittan and the others “took my childhood, they took the very essence of who I was and finally he’s taken away my right to see justice done.”


Not exactly distancing himself is he

And remember even Watson admits that was a false claim by that woman
Was that before or after:

"Watson admits that was a false claim by that woman"

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But that was true and Jonsky's foul comment was not

Perhaps you could suggest a better word than 'shit' to describe someone who has not apologised for using a falsehood in a letter to get DCI Settle's career effed, for someone who has admitted he levelled false allegations against Brittan yet refuses to apologise and is the #1 suspect for feeding a vulnerable woman's full name to the media. And same someone who rode the crest of the created false wave to become deputy Labour leader

'Shit' seems quite mild really but then this forum does have rules


Just because nothing has been proved doesn't mean nothing happened.


i think anyone and everyone would agree with that sentiment Andy, however, I for one do not expect the CPS to take suspicions very seriously and even less so, testimonies from people who have been proven to have somewhat "confused" memories of days long ago,

So with the commonsensensical attitude of the above, where have we advanced to in proving Mr Brittans guilt, I'll leave that to the naysayers to ponder upon.
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He was forced out of his role. As even Tom Watson's cosy media chums admit

"Scotland Yard's senior detective who was heading its wide-ranging investigations into paedophile politicians has been forced to quit, Exaro can reveal"

And perhaps you had missed that 'Jane' could not identify Brittan, could not describe an assault amounting to rape and had said her friends would back up her allegations and yet when police interviewed them they contradicted her.

So yes an apology is due - from you this time.
Nonsense, read your own links.

Who exactly forced him to "out of his role"? It does not say does it?

Instead we get this, he was on "sick leave" he "stepped aside" and further down there is a quote from the Met itself, "The Met declined to comment on Settles position"


In short he was not doing his job properly and to save face left his position. He did not follow police guidelines during the investigation and the DPP had to intervene to prevent evidence being tainted or even lost, even the CPS got in on the act and "wrongly dropped several key charges" against several of the accused!

You do not apologise to someone who is incompetent at their job. And after reading that lot it looks like the police have a few more questions to answer...........
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That's a disgusting foul libel by you Jonsky. ^




Far from a Lie...I leave lies to the tories...And I see yet again you never answered my question..
yes a lie. Don't repeat it, don't further assert it to be true. An honest adult would apologise for it.

And do not expect me to answer your juvenile 'have you stopped beating your wife' questions either
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You seem to be short of some information, Paul Settle RESIGNED, he was not forced out, he headed Operation Fernbridge and did not do his job properly, he concluded that Brittain did not commit the offences he was accused of despite not having or even requesting all the available evidence, note Operation Fernbridge has not closed and there are further allegations that may yet implicate Brittain and several others as well.

And the "close to evil" tagline was Watson quoting a statement from a witness and was not his direct opinion, although it's highly likely he felt the same given the frustration he's had to endure as cover ups, loss of documentation and pathetically inept inquests have sought to bury the whole sordid affair.

Apologies, if any will be in order when and if we ever get the the bottom of this.
He was forced out of his role. As even Tom Watson's cosy media chums admit

"Scotland Yard's senior detective who was heading its wide-ranging investigations into paedophile politicians has been forced to quit, Exaro can reveal"

And perhaps you had missed that 'Jane' could not identify Brittan, could not describe an assault amounting to rape and had said her friends would back up her allegations and yet when police interviewed them they contradicted her.

So yes an apology is due - from you this time.


Here is the main text from your own link it states that operation cayacos was started after Watson had raised the issue in parliament but it does implicate Watson in the sacking of Settle but it does mentionthe Met and CPS screw ups....Like I say he should blame his bosses not Watson..

Scotland Yard’s senior detective who was heading its wide-ranging investigations into paedophile politicians has been forced
to quit, Exaro can reveal.

Detective chief inspector Paul Settle, head of the Metropolitan Police Service’s paedophile unit, has stepped aside after months of pressure over the direction of the investigations. According to one Met source, the DCI is formally off on sick leave.

The Met has also more than tripled the number of officers on the investigations, from seven to 22. The increased effort comes as its handling of the allegations faces close scrutiny the overarching inquiry into child sex abuse (CSA), which was announced in July One witness who has told Exaro of how MPs and other VIPs sexually abused him when he was a boy, as well as other children, said: “I believe that Settle has been moved off the investigations into child sex abuse. I was told not to try to contact him any more.” “Since the inquiry has been launched, the attitude at the Met has changed.”

A detective sergeant in the paedophile unit, which is based in the Empress State Building in Earl’s Court, west London, has taken over the Met’s investigations into historical allegations against MPs and other VIPs. These include ‘Operation Fernbridge’, which was sparked by Exaro and began nearly two years ago – amid strict secrecy – with an investigation into activities at The investigations also cover ‘Operation Cayacos’, which is looking into claims of a paedophile ring linked to politicians after Tom Watson, Labour MP, raised the issue in Parliament. Both operations are full criminal investigations, which in each case have so far resulted in charges against two people.

In addition, the Met’s paedophile unit is running ‘Operation Fairbank’, which is scoping allegations against a range of politicians and other high-profile figures in order to decide whether any should become full criminal investigations alongside Fernbridge and Cayacos.

These investigations are separate from ‘Operation Yewtree’, which was sparked by the exposure of the late Jimmy Savile, the BBC star, as a paedophile. This operation is focussed on the celebrity world.

Exaro revealed in May how ‘Operation Fernbridge’ had failed to follow police guidelines while investigating a rape claim. In a strongly-worded attack on the police
Exaro then disclosed how a large volume of e-mail traffic over the case was exchanged between the DPP’s office and the Met Saunders forced the Met to follow police guidelines in the case As the Met felt the heat over its operations on historical allegations against politicians of the sexual abuse of children, it complained privately about Exaro’s “overly intrusive” investigation Operation Fernbridge was hit by a further hitch when the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) wrongly dropped some key charges, and was forced to reinstate them as a result of disclosures by Exaro Problems with the police investigation was one factor behind the call on Theresa May, home secretary, by a cross-party group of seven MPs to order an overarching CSA inquiry.
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He was forced out of his role. As even Tom Watson's cosy media chums admit

"Scotland Yard's senior detective who was heading its wide-ranging investigations into paedophile politicians has been forced to quit, Exaro can reveal"

And perhaps you had missed that 'Jane' could not identify Brittan, could not describe an assault amounting to rape and had said her friends would back up her allegations and yet when police interviewed them they contradicted her.

So yes an apology is due - from you this time.
Nonsense, read your own links.

Who exactly forced him to "out of his role"? It does not say does it?

Instead we get this, he was on "sick leave" he "stepped aside" and further down there is a quote from the Met itself, "The Met declined to comment on Settles position"


In short he was not doing his job properly and to save face left his position. He did not follow police guidelines during the investigation and the DPP had to intervene to prevent evidence being tainted or even lost, even the CPS got in on the act and "wrongly dropped several key charges" against several of the accused!

You do not apologise to someone who is incompetent at their job. And after reading that lot it looks like the police have a few more questions to answer...........
You really should stop digging, you got this one badly wrong

Read the Guardian's account of his own evidence and of his boss explaining why they removed him.

Perhaps you've never heard of someone being told "resign or be sacked"

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It's Watson that deserves an apology from the Met, they were incompetent, but was it deliberate?

Given the endless evasions and sordid attempts to get this as far away from the glare of genuine public scrutiny, I'd say an unreserved yes..........
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You really should stop digging, you got this one badly wrong

Bullshit Steve you've been busted by your own careless link that you failed to scrutinise. Settle was not up to the job end off, another incompetent copper. The DPP had to step in.

And to confirm your "guilt" you predictably revert to pedanticism and evasion.

Here, have your spade back, I've even tied a bow around the handle......
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He was forced out of his role. As even Tom Watson's cosy media chums admit

"Scotland Yard's senior detective who was heading its wide-ranging investigations into paedophile politicians has been forced to quit, Exaro can reveal"

And perhaps you had missed that 'Jane' could not identify Brittan, could not describe an assault amounting to rape and had said her friends would back up her allegations and yet when police interviewed them they contradicted her.

So yes an apology is due - from you this time.
Here is the main text from your own link it doesn't even mention Watson but it does mention the Mets and CPS screw ups....Like I say he should blame his bosses not Watson..

Scotland Yard’s senior detective who was heading its wide-ranging investigations into paedophile politicians has been forced
to quit, Exaro can reveal.

Detective chief inspector Paul Settle, head of the Metropolitan Police Service’s paedophile unit, has stepped aside after months of pressure over the direction of the investigations. According to one Met source, the DCI is formally off on sick leave.

The Met has also more than tripled the number of officers on the investigations, from seven to 22. The increased effort comes as its handling of the allegations faces close scrutiny the overarching inquiry into child sex abuse (CSA), which was announced in July One witness who has told Exaro of how MPs and other VIPs sexually abused him when he was a boy, as well as other children, said: “I believe that Settle has been moved off the investigations into child sex abuse. I was told not to try to contact him any more.” “Since the inquiry has been launched, the attitude at the Met has changed.”

A detective sergeant in the paedophile unit, which is based in the Empress State Building in Earl’s Court, west London, has taken over the Met’s investigations into historical allegations against MPs and other VIPs. These include ‘Operation Fernbridge’, which was sparked by Exaro and began nearly two years ago – amid strict secrecy – with an investigation into activities at The investigations also cover ‘Operation Cayacos’, which is looking into claims of a paedophile ring linked to politicians after Tom Watson, Labour MP, raised the issue in Parliament. Both operations are full criminal investigations, which in each case have so far resulted in charges against two people.

In addition, the Met’s paedophile unit is running ‘Operation Fairbank’, which is scoping allegations against a range of politicians and other high-profile figures in order to decide whether any should become full criminal investigations alongside Fernbridge and Cayacos.

These investigations are separate from ‘Operation Yewtree’, which was sparked by the exposure of the late Jimmy Savile, the BBC star, as a paedophile. This operation is focussed on the celebrity world.

Exaro revealed in May how ‘Operation Fernbridge’ had failed to follow police guidelines while investigating a rape claim. In a strongly-worded attack on the police
Exaro then disclosed how a large volume of e-mail traffic over the case was exchanged between the DPP’s office and the Met Saunders forced the Met to follow police guidelines in the case As the Met felt the heat over its operations on historical allegations against politicians of the sexual abuse of children, it complained privately about Exaro’s “overly intrusive” investigation Operation Fernbridge was hit by a further hitch when the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) wrongly dropped some key charges, and was forced to reinstate them as a result of disclosures by Exaro Problems with the police investigation was one factor behind the call on Theresa May, home secretary, by a cross-party group of seven MPs to order an overarching CSA inquiry.
As I said Exaro and Watson worked hand in hand. So it was amusing to see even Exaro show Tigger's account to be rubbish.

Exaro is now known to be a predatory website trying to make money out of abuse allegations not caring if they are true or false

See more on Exaro here: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/21/westminster-child-abuse-inquiry-police-split-credibility-witness
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You really should stop digging, you got this one badly wrong

Bullshit Steve you've been busted by your own careless link that you failed to scrutinise. Settle was not up to the job end off, another incompetent copper. The DPP had to step in.

And to confirm your "guilt" you predictably revert to pedanticism and evasion.

Here, have your spade back, I've even tied a bow around the handle......
Oh look the awful screech of moved goalposts

You post that Settle resigned of his own free will but once that's shown to be false you pretend that all along he was removed for incompetence - and of course we know that came after Watson's malicious letter to the DPP. You have read it haven't you?

The Met panicked and the Met being a political animal thought sacrificing Settle in the light of Waton's plausible allegations was a neat move

So yes they should be apologising too but then we could fill a whole library with what the Met should be apologising for

But THIS thread is about Watson and he should apologise for that letter. And he hasn't
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepTom Watson's cosy media chums admit

"Scotland Yard's senior detective who was heading its wide-ranging investigations into paedophile politicians has been forced to quit, Exaro can reveal"

And perhaps you had missed that 'Jane' could not identify Brittan, could not describe an assault amounting to rape and had said her friends would back up her allegations and yet when police interviewed them they contradicted her.

So yes an apology is due - from you this time.
Here is the main text from your own link it doesn't even mention Watson but it does mention the Mets and CPS screw ups....Like I say he should blame his bosses not Watson..

Scotland Yard’s senior detective who was heading its wide-ranging investigations into paedophile politicians has been forced
to quit, Exaro can reveal.

Detective chief inspector Paul Settle, head of the Metropolitan Police Service’s paedophile unit, has stepped aside after months of pressure over the direction of the investigations. According to one Met source, the DCI is formally off on sick leave.

The Met has also more than tripled the number of officers on the investigations, from seven to 22. The increased effort comes as its handling of the allegations faces close scrutiny the overarching inquiry into child sex abuse (CSA), which was announced in July One witness who has told Exaro of how MPs and other VIPs sexually abused him when he was a boy, as well as other children, said: “I believe that Settle has been moved off the investigations into child sex abuse. I was told not to try to contact him any more.” “Since the inquiry has been launched, the attitude at the Met has changed.”

A detective sergeant in the paedophile unit, which is based in the Empress State Building in Earl’s Court, west London, has taken over the Met’s investigations into historical allegations against MPs and other VIPs. These include ‘Operation Fernbridge’, which was sparked by Exaro and began nearly two years ago – amid strict secrecy – with an investigation into activities at The investigations also cover ‘Operation Cayacos’, which is looking into claims of a paedophile ring linked to politicians after Tom Watson, Labour MP, raised the issue in Parliament. Both operations are full criminal investigations, which in each case have so far resulted in charges against two people.

In addition, the Met’s paedophile unit is running ‘Operation Fairbank’, which is scoping allegations against a range of politicians and other high-profile figures in order to decide whether any should become full criminal investigations alongside Fernbridge and Cayacos.

These investigations are separate from ‘Operation Yewtree’, which was sparked by the exposure of the late Jimmy Savile, the BBC star, as a paedophile. This operation is focussed on the celebrity world.

Exaro revealed in May how ‘Operation Fernbridge’ had failed to follow police guidelines while investigating a rape claim. In a strongly-worded attack on the police
Exaro then disclosed how a large volume of e-mail traffic over the case was exchanged between the DPP’s office and the Met Saunders forced the Met to follow police guidelines in the case As the Met felt the heat over its operations on historical allegations against politicians of the sexual abuse of children, it complained privately about Exaro’s “overly intrusive” investigation Operation Fernbridge was hit by a further hitch when the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) wrongly dropped some key charges, and was forced to reinstate them as a result of disclosures by Exaro Problems with the police investigation was one factor behind the call on Theresa May, home secretary, by a cross-party group of seven MPs to order an overarching CSA inquiry.
As I said Exaro and Watson worked hand in hand. So it was amusing to see even Exaro show Tigger's account to be rubbish.

Exaro is now known to be a predatory website trying to make money out of abuse allegations not caring if they are true or false

See more on Exaro here: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/21/westminster-child-abuse-inquiry-police-split-credibility-witness


But it doesn't rubbish Tiggers account it supports its....I am glad they did work hand in hand this whole sordid mess needs to brought to the foreground..like I have stated further back look how saville fooled the media several PM,s his work colleagues etc etc and he was only a poxy DJ..

And as for Exaro is now known to be a predatory website I wonder who it was that made that assumption ...It wouldn't be those who are accused would it by any chance we all know how the dirty trick brigade works in the UK as they are doing now against Watson.
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You post that Settle resigned of his own free will but once that's shown to be false you pretend that all along he was removed for incompetence - and of course we know that came after Watson's malicious letter to the DPP. You have read it haven't you?



Jesus! ;D

HE WAS INCOMPETENT! He was NOT EVEN FOLLOWING THE POLICES OWN GUIDELINES ON THE CORRECT WAY TO CONDUCT THIS INVESTIGATION! It's in your original link to this!

Hence the need to get the DPP involved, because if they had not jumped in any evidence would not have been admissible because of the way it was collated! You should know about this sort of things it's called being pedantic!

I've removed the bow from your spade and tied it to a JCB.

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I wouldn't tie your flag to the mast of Exaro Jonsky. More shit to hit the fan for them


I see Tigger has been driven mad by the screech of his own goal post moving ^
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You post that Settle resigned of his own free will but once that's shown to be false you pretend that all along he was removed for incompetence - and of course we know that came after Watson's malicious letter to the DPP. You have read it haven't you?



Jesus! ;D

HE WAS INCOMPETENT! He was NOT EVEN FOLLOWING THE POLICES OWN GUIDELINES ON THE CORRECT WAY TO CONDUCT THIS INVESTIGATION! It's in your original link to this!

Hence the need to get the DPP involved, because if they had not jumped in any evidence would not have been admissible because of the way it was collated! You should know about this sort of things it's called being pedantic!

I've removed the bow from your spade and tied it to a JCB.

;-)
Exactly Tigger as your link stated..Not only was he incompetent so were his bosses and the CPS..
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Exactly Tigger as your link stated..Not only was he incompetent so were his bosses and the CPS..
How do you know he was "incompetent"? Because his "incompetent" bosses told you so?

Spotted the flaw in that yet?
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Nov 4 2015, 10:54 PM
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Nov 4 2015, 10:52 PM
Exactly Tigger as your link stated..Not only was he incompetent so were his bosses and the CPS..
How do you know he was "incompetent"? Because his "incompetent" bosses told you so?

Spotted the flaw in that yet?
It was the same peoples who told you there was no cover up...

Do you spot the flaw now?
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Nov 4 2015, 10:51 PM
I wouldn't tie your flag to the mast of Exaro Jonsky. More shit to hit the fan for them


I see Tigger has been driven mad by the screech of his own goal post moving ^
Exaro are like Watson they are both victims of the dirty tricks brigade..

He hasn't moved his goal posts

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Nov 4 2015, 10:57 PM
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Nov 4 2015, 10:54 PM
Jonksy
Nov 4 2015, 10:52 PM
Exactly Tigger as your link stated..Not only was he incompetent so were his bosses and the CPS..
How do you know he was "incompetent"? Because his "incompetent" bosses told you so?

Spotted the flaw in that yet?
It was the same peoples who told you there was no cover up...

Do you spot the flaw now?
You see here's the thing: I have never said there haven't been cover ups. Had you cared to look I actually posted that such is highly likely

But that does not mean that every story of a cover up is true no mater how much it appeals to your political persuasions.

And the stories of Jane, Nick and Darren have been well shown up.

And Watson should apologise for when he was wrong. Even if it later emerges that Brittan was up to all sorts of no good, an honest person apologises when they have made serious allegations that turn out to be false.
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Nov 4 2015, 11:02 PM
Steve K
Nov 4 2015, 10:51 PM
I wouldn't tie your flag to the mast of Exaro Jonsky. More shit to hit the fan for them


I see Tigger has been driven mad by the screech of his own goal post moving ^
Exaro are like Watson they are both victims of the dirty tricks brigade..

He hasn't moved his goal posts

Err oh yes HE has.
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